Though War maybe DAOC 2 but i dont care, really want something new and since ive never play RvR before, its cool.
RVR has been done before :S It just means faction vs faction where Mythic have just gave it some fancy name to make it sound better than it really is. If you played games likw WOW for example then you've played this so called fantastic "RVR" lol...
WOW is not RvR, hush with the garbage spewing from the lips.
I aggree with the OP, and great post btw I /loled
------------------------------ You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
Sure Vanguard: Saga of Heroes was a dissapointment but Sword of the New World and Lord of the Rings Online delivered. With Tabula Rasa, Gods & Heroes, a new expansion for Final Fantasy XI and a few new titles comming up, I can't really say 2007 is a bad year. Ofourse the push back of Warhammer Online and Age of Conan is a bit of a bummer.
Though War maybe DAOC 2 but i dont care, really want something new and since ive never play RvR before, its cool.
RVR has been done before :S It just means faction vs faction where Mythic have just gave it some fancy name to make it sound better than it really is. If you played games likw WOW for example then you've played this so called fantastic "RVR" lol...
WOW is not RvR, hush with the garbage spewing from the lips.
I aggree with the OP, and great post btw I /loled
WOW is RvR. Just deal with it. Your precious game isn't the only one who has RvR.
To OP: Absolutely agree with you. If G&H will be released this fall, i would probably buy it. Or PotBS.
Its too bad that the only good hardcore pvp mmos coming out (darkfall, possibly twilight war) are probably not that close to coming out. The only real option for non carebear mmos are the hardcore space mmos. EvE and Starport are good games.
Are you a Pavlovian Fish Biscuit Addict? Get Help Now! I will play no more MMORPGs until somethign good comes out!
don't know about potbs but I follow gods and heroes very closely and it definetly looks like it will be out in october or november. They are sending out tons of beta keys now and I would expect open beta to start in around a month so that should be a good one. At least good enough to hold you over till aoc or war come out in 2008. Its something kinda different with the minions and being set in rome.......and probably great expansions also.
delays are good for polish IMO. i haven't seen pre orders for ANY new MMO in stores yet.
Originally posted by eldanloco You like those games only because you prolly played them when they came out. A bunch of those were good, for their time, but now they all suck so bad... Ryzom and Asheron's Call are ancient and ugly , planetside is just a horrible...HORRIBLE game , and Anarchy Online and FFXI were good but they haven't aged well at all. Who cares if games nowadays take from older ones? Name a game that doesn't. lol. I seriously don't recommend that anyone play any of those games. All you needs could be met by a game coming out if you have patience. Besides, isn't anticipation half the fun?
+ Vanguard was a rare case of total suckage. Sigil bit off WAAAAAY more than they could chew.
This man speaks the absolute truth!
Well for the mostpart thats all opinion except for:
"Vanguard was a rare case of total suckage"
You guys new to MMOs or something? Rare form of suckage? name me some winners out of the dozen or so MMO launches in the last 3 years aside from WoW GW and LotR.
The opposite is the truth. Maybe you are referring to timeless classics that are not "total suckage" like Dark and Light, Irith online, Roma Victor, Auto Assault, Phantasy Star Universe, DDO, RF online....shall I continue?
A good MMO is a rare find.
I was speaking in terms of major MMOs, but yeah I did leave some out; however, Vanguard was the worst for all the broken promises, wasted money on the game.. and even more than all that was I had been following the game for a long time and I wanted it to be good so bad... but that didn't happen
lol and call me crazy but for the 3 weeks I played Auto Assault I thought it was fun, the only reason I quit was that I got distracted by other games. DDO was horrible though. lol Level 10 as the max level? hahaha you might as well make the max damage you can do in a game 25! Its just as fun of a concept.
-------------------------------- Darkfall: December or vaporware!
lol Level 10 as the max level? hahaha you might as well make the max damage you can do in a game 25! Its just as fun of a concept.
Number of levels is meaningless. It's just a number, and up to lvl 10 made sense in a D+D world. Beisdes which there were sub-levels of 4 each level, so really there were 40 levels..
The important thing is the content, and how quickly the levels are made, which for DDO was too low.
Indeed it has been, I like LOTRO though.... Tabula Rasa I did not like (playing beta now) got bored of WoW after 3 years, WAR isnt coming till next year - AoC ... well i think it has a fucked up theme, atleast I dont like it plus its been delayed till 2008... GAH WHAT TO DO
Played almost everything... Currently playing nothing... Waiting for: Darkfall, WAR, Guild Wars 2.
Though War maybe DAOC 2 but i dont care, really want something new and since ive never play RvR before, its cool.
RVR has been done before :S It just means faction vs faction where Mythic have just gave it some fancy name to make it sound better than it really is. If you played games likw WOW for example then you've played this so called fantastic "RVR" lol...
WoW's PVP system is nothing like Mythic's RVR system. WoW seriously pales in comparison. Anyone who tries to compare the two is completely idiotic. WoW is more of a guild vs guild system, where everyone is out for themselves and has no overall goal to accomplish. So what if the Horde wins ever Alterac Valley game, how does that help the rest of their "realm"? The answer is it doesn't. At least on DAoC capturing relics gave bonuses, capturing keeps gave bonuses, etc. You would get bonuses to your skills, bonuses to the amount of money mobs dropped, and bonuses to the amount of XP/RP that you gained.
WAR is taking that a step further with their city raids.
For a PVE game WoW is really good (although incredibly boring after you have played it through once imo), but for a PVP game WoW is a pathetic excuse compared to what it could of been.
Currently playing: LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too: Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
Though War maybe DAOC 2 but i dont care, really want something new and since ive never play RvR before, its cool.
RVR has been done before :S It just means faction vs faction where Mythic have just gave it some fancy name to make it sound better than it really is. If you played games likw WOW for example then you've played this so called fantastic "RVR" lol...
In that RvR has been done before , you are correct. It was done by Mythic in DaoC. Prior to Daoc there was EQ, AC and UO, none of which had true RvR, so your statement about them giving it a fancy name is incorrect. They actually pioneered "faction vs faction" EQ had factions but no true conflict. And no, if you played WoW you aren't getting the same form of RvR. WoW is more like RvR-lite. Now how WAR will measure up or change DaoC's RvRvR is unknown but it will be more than WoWs current RvR. Blizz knows this and this is why they are adding Siegecraft and all the other things that DaoC had years ago to their new expansion.
hmm, funny, 2007 has been a great mmo year for me.
Been subscribed to CoX since November, got two great new issues and a dozen more alts I'm playing. When not playing that, I've got access to 4 different betas, 2 of them I've had my heart set on for some time now. Sounds like you have mmo burnout and need to move on though, find a new hobby. Good luck ( ' :
Originally posted by moostown Originally posted by arctarus Though War maybe DAOC 2 but i dont care, really want something new and since ive never play RvR before, its cool.
RVR has been done before :S It just means faction vs faction where Mythic have just gave it some fancy name to make it sound better than it really is. If you played games likw WOW for example then you've played this so called fantastic "RVR" lol...
Bsssszzzzttt! Wrong.
WoW has no realm versus realm and you'd know this if you ever played DAoC at all. WoW is PVP. You fight your own "side" and the enemy side just as much. PVP for wow was a afterthought. RVR in DAoC and Warhammer is the first goal.
Though War maybe DAOC 2 but i dont care, really want something new and since ive never play RvR before, its cool.
RVR has been done before :S It just means faction vs faction where Mythic have just gave it some fancy name to make it sound better than it really is. If you played games likw WOW for example then you've played this so called fantastic "RVR" lol...
Bsssszzzzttt! Wrong.
WoW has no realm versus realm and you'd know this if you ever played DAoC at all. WoW is PVP. You fight your own "side" and the enemy side just as much. PVP for wow was a afterthought. RVR in DAoC and Warhammer is the first goal.
I dunno... I always fight people that arent from my realm in BG and arenas. I thought that was Realm vs Realm? Anyway, I'm sure mythic did it, and will do it better.
I've commented a number of times about this. There is no game originality because gaming companies are no longer garage based. They are huge corporations who sole interest is to make money. They stick with tried and true formulas and let the smaller companies do the innovation. Then when the little guys get a winner, they buy the company copy the formula ad-nauseum. The trouble is it takes so much time and money to market a game that there are few small companies (that I'm aware of) that could make a go of it. Also the guys/gals that are tired of the same old things are the older gamers who have played many MMORPG titles. As long as there are younger people being introduced into the genre, don't expect gaming companies to get creative.
Originally posted by bleyzwun I dunno... I always fight people that arent from my realm in BG and arenas. I thought that was Realm vs Realm? Anyway, I'm sure mythic did it, and will do it better.
Arena is everyone against everyone and that's also where the best gear comes from reward wise (aside from some raid zones). There was no such thing in DAoC.
WoW has given up on trying to hold the "World of Warcraft" of before where you fought the other side... now it's just death match arena pvp against anyone and everyone.
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RVR has been done before :S It just means faction vs faction where Mythic have just gave it some fancy name to make it sound better than it really is. If you played games likw WOW for example then you've played this so called fantastic "RVR" lol...
WOW is not RvR, hush with the garbage spewing from the lips.
I aggree with the OP, and great post btw I /loled
------------------------------
You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
Sure Vanguard: Saga of Heroes was a dissapointment but Sword of the New World and Lord of the Rings Online delivered. With Tabula Rasa, Gods & Heroes, a new expansion for Final Fantasy XI and a few new titles comming up, I can't really say 2007 is a bad year. Ofourse the push back of Warhammer Online and Age of Conan is a bit of a bummer.
RVR has been done before :S It just means faction vs faction where Mythic have just gave it some fancy name to make it sound better than it really is. If you played games likw WOW for example then you've played this so called fantastic "RVR" lol...
WOW is not RvR, hush with the garbage spewing from the lips.
I aggree with the OP, and great post btw I /loled
WOW is RvR. Just deal with it. Your precious game isn't the only one who has RvR.To OP: Absolutely agree with you. If G&H will be released this fall, i would probably buy it. Or PotBS.
MechWarrior MMO needs to come out with clans, mercs and inner sphere. Would make for good squad based warfare as well as Friggin planet siege.
Its too bad that the only good hardcore pvp mmos coming out (darkfall, possibly twilight war) are probably not that close to coming out. The only real option for non carebear mmos are the hardcore space mmos. EvE and Starport are good games.
Are you a Pavlovian Fish Biscuit Addict? Get Help Now!
I will play no more MMORPGs until somethign good comes out!
delays are good for polish IMO. i haven't seen pre orders for ANY new MMO in stores yet.
die.
This man speaks the absolute truth!
Well for the mostpart thats all opinion except for:
"Vanguard was a rare case of total suckage"
You guys new to MMOs or something? Rare form of suckage? name me some winners out of the dozen or so MMO launches in the last 3 years aside from WoW GW and LotR.
The opposite is the truth. Maybe you are referring to timeless classics that are not "total suckage" like Dark and Light, Irith online, Roma Victor, Auto Assault, Phantasy Star Universe, DDO, RF online....shall I continue?
A good MMO is a rare find.
I was speaking in terms of major MMOs, but yeah I did leave some out; however, Vanguard was the worst for all the broken promises, wasted money on the game.. and even more than all that was I had been following the game for a long time and I wanted it to be good so bad... but that didn't happenlol and call me crazy but for the 3 weeks I played Auto Assault I thought it was fun, the only reason I quit was that I got distracted by other games. DDO was horrible though.
--------------------------------
Darkfall: December or vaporware!
Number of levels is meaningless. It's just a number, and up to lvl 10 made sense in a D+D world. Beisdes which there were sub-levels of 4 each level, so really there were 40 levels..
The important thing is the content, and how quickly the levels are made, which for DDO was too low.
Indeed it has been, I like LOTRO though.... Tabula Rasa I did not like (playing beta now) got bored of WoW after 3 years, WAR isnt coming till next year - AoC ... well i think it has a fucked up theme, atleast I dont like it plus its been delayed till 2008... GAH WHAT TO DO
Played almost everything...
Currently playing nothing...
Waiting for: Darkfall, WAR, Guild Wars 2.
what was wrong with tabula rasa?
RVR has been done before :S It just means faction vs faction where Mythic have just gave it some fancy name to make it sound better than it really is. If you played games likw WOW for example then you've played this so called fantastic "RVR" lol...
WoW's PVP system is nothing like Mythic's RVR system. WoW seriously pales in comparison. Anyone who tries to compare the two is completely idiotic. WoW is more of a guild vs guild system, where everyone is out for themselves and has no overall goal to accomplish. So what if the Horde wins ever Alterac Valley game, how does that help the rest of their "realm"? The answer is it doesn't. At least on DAoC capturing relics gave bonuses, capturing keeps gave bonuses, etc. You would get bonuses to your skills, bonuses to the amount of money mobs dropped, and bonuses to the amount of XP/RP that you gained.
WAR is taking that a step further with their city raids.
For a PVE game WoW is really good (although incredibly boring after you have played it through once imo), but for a PVP game WoW is a pathetic excuse compared to what it could of been.
Currently playing:
LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too:
Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
Cant say anything... But its worse than what I expected, not bug wise or anything... the game itself.
Also theres no focus on PvP, At all...
Played almost everything...
Currently playing nothing...
Waiting for: Darkfall, WAR, Guild Wars 2.
RVR has been done before :S It just means faction vs faction where Mythic have just gave it some fancy name to make it sound better than it really is. If you played games likw WOW for example then you've played this so called fantastic "RVR" lol...
In that RvR has been done before , you are correct. It was done by Mythic in DaoC. Prior to Daoc there was EQ, AC and UO, none of which had true RvR, so your statement about them giving it a fancy name is incorrect. They actually pioneered "faction vs faction" EQ had factions but no true conflict. And no, if you played WoW you aren't getting the same form of RvR. WoW is more like RvR-lite. Now how WAR will measure up or change DaoC's RvRvR is unknown but it will be more than WoWs current RvR. Blizz knows this and this is why they are adding Siegecraft and all the other things that DaoC had years ago to their new expansion.
hmm, funny, 2007 has been a great mmo year for me.
Been subscribed to CoX since November, got two great new issues and a dozen more alts I'm playing. When not playing that, I've got access to 4 different betas, 2 of them I've had my heart set on for some time now. Sounds like you have mmo burnout and need to move on though, find a new hobby. Good luck ( ' :
RVR has been done before :S It just means faction vs faction where Mythic have just gave it some fancy name to make it sound better than it really is. If you played games likw WOW for example then you've played this so called fantastic "RVR" lol...
Bsssszzzzttt! Wrong.
WoW has no realm versus realm and you'd know this if you ever played DAoC at all. WoW is PVP. You fight your own "side" and the enemy side just as much. PVP for wow was a afterthought. RVR in DAoC and Warhammer is the first goal.
http://www.greycouncil.org/
RVR has been done before :S It just means faction vs faction where Mythic have just gave it some fancy name to make it sound better than it really is. If you played games likw WOW for example then you've played this so called fantastic "RVR" lol...
Bsssszzzzttt! Wrong.
WoW has no realm versus realm and you'd know this if you ever played DAoC at all. WoW is PVP. You fight your own "side" and the enemy side just as much. PVP for wow was a afterthought. RVR in DAoC and Warhammer is the first goal.
I dunno... I always fight people that arent from my realm in BG and arenas. I thought that was Realm vs Realm? Anyway, I'm sure mythic did it, and will do it better.
I've commented a number of times about this. There is no game originality because gaming companies are no longer garage based. They are huge corporations who sole interest is to make money. They stick with tried and true formulas and let the smaller companies do the innovation. Then when the little guys get a winner, they buy the company copy the formula ad-nauseum. The trouble is it takes so much time and money to market a game that there are few small companies (that I'm aware of) that could make a go of it. Also the guys/gals that are tired of the same old things are the older gamers who have played many MMORPG titles. As long as there are younger people being introduced into the genre, don't expect gaming companies to get creative.
Arena is everyone against everyone and that's also where the best gear comes from reward wise (aside from some raid zones). There was no such thing in DAoC.
WoW has given up on trying to hold the "World of Warcraft" of before where you fought the other side... now it's just death match arena pvp against anyone and everyone.
http://www.greycouncil.org/