Toon Town > SWG Lmao. Fish, you defend your boy however you want, but for a Star Wars MMO (the ONLY Star Wars MMO) to have the pathetically LOW amount of players it does takes an extraordinary amount of screwing up. The game is essentially THE SAME as it was in November, 2005. Bugged, choppy, incomplete, and in a Beta state that one shouldn't expect to have to PAY TO PLAY. Sadly, you feel the need to come here to us and justify Smedley and the development team that can't seem to get a small patch out sooner than every 6 months... Like I said, you want to justify the suckage of this game then tell your new friends to FIX THE GAME. Adding a crap version of Creature Handler isn't fixing the game... SWG is an inferior version of most any MMO one can play and runs like a bunch of high school Basic-A programmers are writing the code. I'm sorry, the team may be nice guys, but the product they are delivering is a joke, and it's still in Beta, after 4 years.
I'm not defending anything, although people sure are getting upset about what I am doing -- claiming I likethe last two publishes
Let's also not forget track record, history, missleadings that happend prior. Also let's not forget how many times they said "This will not change" and then -- well, they did. I cannot count how many things they have said and done different. They have said bold face to people at Fan Fests and Summits things that were utter false or did not come to pass. Deadmeat is a filler at this point. Blix.. WAS INVOLVED AND SUPPORTED THE NGE... do not forget this... DO NOT FORGET he argued it and how great it was to us at the summits. DO NOT FORGET this is the same person that said loot was broken, the FRS was coming and that the new Ranger class will be great. DO NOT FORGET how many people quit or got fired due to this products success and failure. These are not made up -- these are facts. No opinion, just facts. When the freaking creator of the game leaves... do you just not get how this will end up???? Guys... IF HE jumps off the Titanic then I mean come on.... use some logic here. Again.... sinking ship. Logic.... I sometimes feel this is like defending Hitler. We all know what he did, we all know how bad he was... yet some people followed him. I just don't get it.
Sadly being nice and rosey just does not work with the current SWG playerbase. Most of them need a whap up the side of the head to see things. I wish I could be forgiven like this product has for anything I did wrong in my life though. I'd be a bazillionare! Also maybe have like 9 wives, 28 cars and 5 houses.
I mean this market needs to be farmed from SOE bigtime. They need to sell RL land in game, cars, investments... because if they can get people to pay for the product based on it's success alone then they sure as Hell could get them to pay for bag of Mud and name it pudding.
I just hope that this is not the future leadership of the US... thats all I can think of atm.
Ah yes, the old "people who disagree with me are blind" argument. That is some very flawed argumentation there. Plus if you need to "whap people" to make your point, perhaps the point you are trying to make is wrong. Note I said perhaps. You won't, but remember I said perhaps. Oh, and you are forgiven for everything you ever did wrong in your life -- but that's another discussion beyond the scope of this forum.
Toon Town > SWG Lmao. Fish, you defend your boy however you want, but for a Star Wars MMO (the ONLY Star Wars MMO) to have the pathetically LOW amount of players it does takes an extraordinary amount of screwing up. The game is essentially THE SAME as it was in November, 2005. Bugged, choppy, incomplete, and in a Beta state that one shouldn't expect to have to PAY TO PLAY. Sadly, you feel the need to come here to us and justify Smedley and the development team that can't seem to get a small patch out sooner than every 6 months... Like I said, you want to justify the suckage of this game then tell your new friends to FIX THE GAME. Adding a crap version of Creature Handler isn't fixing the game... SWG is an inferior version of most any MMO one can play and runs like a bunch of high school Basic-A programmers are writing the code. I'm sorry, the team may be nice guys, but the product they are delivering is a joke, and it's still in Beta, after 4 years.
Sad is it not? I mean Star Wars -- one of the biggest franchises ever in history...
And then Toon Town, a game that is not even sold in stores and is kid based, barely advertised and by all means not all 8-10 year olds have computers, granted both mine do but still.
It is bug free and smooth. I am almosst ashamed of this fact, due to myself as having played both products and seeing which one is better. I mean really... Toon Town does not over promise or under deliver, it did not lie to its customer base over and over, it did not take out somthing in the name of complexity, it did not assume that people did not need to read or experience somthing, it did not force 200k worth of customers to leave in anger and frustration due to product change 3 times.
In short.. they did not ruin thier product in the midst of marketing or greed.
How sad is that?
On this we can both agree wholeheartedly. It is ridiculously sad what they did with SWG.
Obviously -- however it is VERY informative in looking at the spin they are choosing to release. That's why I shared this. Interviews with people like Smed are what SOE/LA wants us to know.
You haven't actually offered any of your own personal insights on the article in question. Would you care to share with us what parts of this article you found to be so "informative" that it was necessary to start a thread over? Frankly, I found the article to be remarkably bland and uninformative. There's no journalism here. SOE obviously provided the questions for the interview.
"What I can tell you is, SWG is a mature MMO now in the sense that it has lived a life online already, and is now experiencing a resurgence."
Heh, yeah...mature to the point that those associated with it are now well entrenched in their senility.
"That is why we have made huge efforts to establish strong lines of communication with the community and will continue to nurture this relationship for years to come."
"That is why we have made huge efforts to establish strong lines of communication with the community and will continue to nurture this relationship for years to come."
Good god, how large is this man's nose now?
LOL, I can remember the SOE PR flaks promissing "to establish stong lines of communication" almost from the day of launch, and failing miserably to even attempt to live up to their promise.
Surely you remember Thunderheart's pledge that SWG changes would be telegraphed well in advance through the InConcept/InDevelopment/InTesting process, which was of course totally ignored as Smedley and his lackies worked in back rooms on the abortion that is and was the NGE, springing the whole thing on us a day after Trials of Obi Wan was released, instantly nullifiying a healthy fraction of ToOW's content.
SOE has no crediblity to salavage with regards to SWG. These were not issues of "things change when confronted by reality", we're talking about cases of willful, premeditated mendacity that cannot be explained away.
CH, Jedi, Commando, Smuggler, BH, Scout, Doctor, Chef, BE...yeah, lots of SWG time invested.
even now smed's lackeys prep his escape sub for the trip to cuba....castro has agreed to help in the construction of a weapon that will force all to play and like the nge....now only steve wynn's cyborg dev army can save gaming as we know it....
By far, most people do not want a server merge. The remaining customers are not screaming for them - it's the same five people and then far more disagree with them. DeadMeast explained why they won't do it -- it's because it would upset communities and the playerbase in general. They would rather concentrate on getting more players. Now again he might be lying, but I have no reason to believe he is.
Ah some interesting news appearently...
The reason why "most people" appear to not want a server merge is because those are the only remaining active users.
Those who did want server merges have canceled their accounts.
Now as the summer comes to an end, schools and colleges begins and the Beast Master Patch has passed, I think that increasing surge of 10k "active users" per month will decline sharply. Historically, every time a new "exciting patch" or expansion has been made there has been a surge for about two months.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
Obviously -- however it is VERY informative in looking at the spin they are choosing to release. That's why I shared this. Interviews with people like Smed are what SOE/LA wants us to know.
You haven't actually offered any of your own personal insights on the article in question. Would you care to share with us what parts of this article you found to be so "informative" that it was necessary to start a thread over? Frankly, I found the article to be remarkably bland and uninformative. There's no journalism here. SOE obviously provided the questions for the interview.
"What I can tell you is, SWG is a mature MMO now in the sense that it has lived a life online already, and is now experiencing a resurgence."
Heh, yeah...mature to the point that those associated with it are now well entrenched in their senility.
"That is why we have made huge efforts to establish strong lines of communication with the community and will continue to nurture this relationship for years to come."
Good god, how large is this man's nose now?
I've shared enough in other places. In this thread I am merely enjoying being witness to the farce.
This made me chuckle, it is part of the build up to the interview:
"Sony Online Entertainment President John Smedley was one of the key panelists"
So basically, the CEO of SOE was one of the key panelists to a SOE panel discussion. Such a honor!
Sorta like being called a VIP at your own birthday party.
for the rest:
100,000 active accounts includes station pass accounts - hmmm?
10% numbers increase doesn't include vet trials - hmmm?
All of the interview is old news we heard before "Continue to play this game things are gonna be better really soon - just not now, soon, just not at the moment...keep playing folks great things are in the works!!!! They just are not ready yet...but we care about you so keep paying...er, i mean Playing, keep playing"
"The liberties and resulting economic prosperity that YOU take for granted were granted by those "dead guys"
Fish, I know your trying to turn over a new leaf, but this is me your talking to now. We BOTH were on the SWG forums over the C6 Combat Downgrade, agreeing on pretty much everything. That HAD NOTHING to do about bringing the old game back. It had to do with making combat nothing more than a very poorly done WoW clone with so many bugs, you can't hardly get in a speeder for rubber banding. IE Parry, Dodge, etc etc. Beast Master may have actually had something to do with bringing back the old game, but they destroyed it and it's impact with another MASSIVE game change to a stat system the entire game revolved around. And you have to know that their so called, claimed, 100K subs is also fantasy. They release the numbers for the GCW, you know, the so called end game with all the best buffs / items in the game. Out of 26 (TWENTY-SIX) servers, there is a little over 11000 taking part in the GCW. If you look at their boards, they think jedi are running around everywhere? THERE are a little over 3000 jedi taking part in the GCW on 26 servers! That ends up being about 120 per EACH AND EVERY SERVER. NOW, count all the people that have toons on 2 to 4 different servers. Count the traders and ent alts that are in the GCW. Count all the alts in the GCW, I know of several on kauri and it is nothing more than a ghost server. AND, count the 700 demotions, probably players that left or are leaving after the LAST exedus with C6. I am very aware that my toon is 1 of the demotions, cause, I don't have a sub anymore, either. Some1 quoted the forum numbers. You very well know that I tracked these numbers after C6. The 15,600 number came right after C5. It went down to about 9 to 10K before C6. At C6, it went up to 10K, just a little, for the 14 day returning vet trials and 3 weeks later, it lost 1/2 of its total. Or don't you remember all the posts of, "well, I thought I'd come back for a look but it still sucks"? Held at around 5000 for another 2 weeks and fell to 1000 to 2000, where it is today. They continue to lose subs. Look at the PVE difficulty boards if any1 wants confirmation. The community is so spilt over there, it's incredible. AND SOE fosters this! The ONLY reason that there are 3 servers with any type of population, is that every1 is transfering from the ghost servers to those 3. Look at the Kauri threads and see all kinds of goodbye, cya on bloodfin posts. And, SOE puts 50 to 100 bucks in their pockets every time 1 of these take place. Talk about maximizing their profits. It's now, drain every penny from what ever clientel we have left. I know you are trying to have a positive outlook for the game now and if you can, more power to you. But out and out lies from SOE is not going to spin the facts that they have destroyed this game over and over again. They haven't learned anything and its just a matter of time before they do it again. The only constant in SWG is, if you like it they will find some way to alienate you. I too, can't wait for the hopefully Kotor online and Star Trek Online.
Fish, you answered every1 cept me. And we fought the same battles. I can only suppose that SWG knows of the pending litigation and every1 and any1 associated can not say a word knowing that anything and everything will be used against SOE.
Good luck fish.
There's nothing to actually answer there. Nothing in your post even remotely contradicts anything I've said. The only disagreement we would have is they are still gaining subs as a net gain, in spite of the 'combat downgrade." We;ll see if it holds out after the summer.
I just took a look at the Kauri boards. 3 more goodbyes, not just moves this time, but I'm outta here kind of posts. I knew 2 of them. You know that the GCW is about all the end game content and that most 90's, not all but most, are involved in the GCW somewhat. The rewards are good and the buffs are expecially needed now in PVE. You also know that there is little if not no new players joining the game. I also talked to a day 1 elder tonight on the telephone, we were co-leaders in Cobra until the guild got too small and we merged it with another, and he is leaving too. 8 accounts gone there. And, that is just sad. He wanted to know the server I'm on in WoW.
There is no way there is 100K subs. That statement is totally misleading. If I had to estimate, I would guess 20,000 and that is giving them the benifit of the doubt. There is no way that they are gaining subs either. Even at the housing purge, Virrago makes a post that "This is what happens when 10K people log on at once......"(talking about the lag of 6 minutes before the house you destroyed actually blew up) and that number happened to co-incide perfectly with the forums numbers BTW. They have fed you a load, my friend. This spin is nothing more than to lure people back to a game that, per their spin, is doing good again so they can count returning vets trial accounts, again.
What you really need to ask you new found friends is, Why not a server merge that the remaining customers are screaming for? Then, why not a Pre-CU, CU, and NGE C5 classic servers with the 16 to 20 empty servers they have left? They are the 1s who made 3 different disgruntled player bases. Then, you might see a upsurge in subs, and just about only then. Read what people are saying here. If you want to help them, that probably the way to do it. I would think that if they wait until EMU, KOTOR, and STO come out, they will never get any1 back and most of their 20K will beat feet.
I don't know if you play Kauri, but that is my home server so let me just say what is kinda going on with it.
Kauri became a PvP Heavy Server last year like most due to Helios believing PvP was the end all 'content' that the Player Base wanted. Now I'm not a big time PvPer, I believe PvP has a 'place' in an MMO but unless the MMO is made with PvP as the sole idea of the game like Planetside or Shadowbane, you've going to have PvE Players and really non hardcore PvPer's trying to get into it. Anyway at the start of the NGE till about August of last year Kauri was a big Rebel Server, well even before that. But that was mostly due to a guild (FS) having tons of Jedi Players in the Pre-CU and CU.
Now yes the Rebels did out number the Imp's by a good number, however I should note that battles where mostly even. And well we had a TON of stupid Rebel PvPer's as well. Namely guys who rather then wait for the battle to come to them would lead half our force, get them killed and then whine when we lost. I should note that 'many' of the Players that would do that, and a good number of Rebels and Imp's where Elder Jedi's as well.
Still around August of last year 4 well known Rebels had come back to the server and rejoined one of Kauri's bigger Rebel Guilds. What we didn't know at the time was those 4 had run off when the NGE came out to Guild Wars and had started talking to the Leader and a few members of another Kauri Imp Guild and had decided to come back. Now as much as they brag that they didn't do anything wrong, they did claim they where back and "Rebels for good" and where given a good amount of items, credits and I believe someone did take one of them from 80 to 90. Anyway one day out of the blue they just quit and went Imp and joined this guild and that's where alot of this starts...
See what they may or may not have known was many Imp Players where also returning at that time as well. Also rather then it just be 'them' they did talk a number of Rebels into going Imp and joining up with them. If you really read the forums you will see that many of those Players insult and trash talk anyone that is not a PvPer. Infact they stuck up for a known Grief Player who was banned and talked the Player who got this Player banned into gettting said Grief Player unbanned, namely due to the fact that this Griefer was Imp and a good PvPer. Infact they did bring that up when talking about it. Any Rebel Leader that tried to come along was just flamed and insulted and they did run one of them off. Not only that it just became one big flame war with many of the Imp's, if the Rebels won one battle one night, then they would scream about how they got out numbered or the like on the Kauri Forums.
There are some other colorful things many of those Imp Players did as well, a joint Rebel/Imp Events thing was planned out, the idea being that trying to mend some fences and work with one another would keep the server alive. However one returning Player (another Rebel who went Imp) flamed anyone on the forums about it, and in the end killed it and got his own events going. The Imp's would gladly call in anyone base busting or report anyone they could. However if someone did it to them, dear god it was "Who did it!?!" and whoever did was insulted to high hell.
And not only that the Imp's rather then try to keep things somewhat balanced in order to have good PvP fights did everything in their power to make it one sided. Be it from getting Rebels to go Imp, flaming Rebels on the Forums, insulting and trash talking in game, and talking about how the Rebels out number them. With Kauri that is somewhat true as most of the server is made up of French Players in the day, at night you have more U.S. Players. Most of the French are Rebels (tho a good number of them went Imp too) and a good number of the U.S. Players are Imp.
And most of all most of those Players don't understand that many players are NOT hardcore PvPer's like they are! And after one year of all of that BS many just don't want to deal with the almost one sided PvP and everything that has gone along with it. Really the Imp's on Kauri (and most of the ones leaving are Imp) did it to there damn selfs.
See this is how SOE really screwed up with the NGE. Well not so much SOE but I lay the blame for alot of this BS on Helios. I do remember him from Ultima Online (if anyone recalls he did have The Dread Lord Helios in his sig, Dread Lord being a UO Title) and well Helios is a heavy PvPer, who even back in the UO days did say that he disliked PvE gameplay. Rather then go with the plan of getting more PvE based content out the door, Helios went with systems like the GCW Bases, Restuss and the new GCW system. And all 3 of them well kinda suck.
The Bases for one are not all that fun, we where able on Kauri to hold a Base for 3 days to get the Banners from them. However 3 days is an insane amount of work. And really back in those days the bases where way too easy to change hands. Not only that take the Coro Base, the Imp's get to come down this nice big hill, meaning they have an easyer time of laying mines, shooting down, and the like. The Rebels to get to this base have a River in the way, along with a nice big hill to come up... Really whoever did the Base's and the lay out didn't do a good job in Balancing some of it out.
Then we have Restuss, ok for an 'Event' the Restuss Battle was fun. However that was just it! It was one big battle that happen in game and then turned into a PvP Zone. The Rewards are too long to get and suck in the end, well unless your a Commando or Jedi. Still it's a shame, it can take a few days to get the 500 Comms, and most of the reward weapons just suck. The Restuss Crusader Armor is imho a crime, both the Imp and Rebel look good and are the non-BH/Commando's Mando Armor. Yet the stats suck (not too bad if your a Smuggler but still...)
And lastly we have the GCW system, now anyone know why the 'old' GCW system had fans? It was both PvP and PvE based. The new system for any of the Officer Ranks you need to live, breath and eat killing NPC Rebels/Imps (or TIE's/X-WIngs) or live, breath and eat PvP. And with the Decay and the like, it just doesn't work! It's a shame cuz the ideas and rewards are nice. But hell I feel bad for any server that is one sided... And all of this was Helios ideas...
Now Smedley lets face it he is a Corp Suit, most lie about 99% of the time... Tell the truth I don't know how much input he has in SWG, but for the most part I don't really give a damn. Helios was the one that 'should' have been pushing what the Dev's are trying to do now. Rather then trying to make SWG into Planetside with two factions, no Tanks or Aircraft and Jedi's.
And yes, Kauri was my home also. Except for a very short stent on bloodfin, about 2 weeks, I played exclusively on Kauri. Oemore was my toon BTW, and was a reb General and went out as such so I also am aware of all the mess that happened in PVP with the trash talk, etc. etc. I was the 1st reb general in SOB. Kruce was the only other General when I made it. And almost all the combat toons in SOB was working on the GCW in some shape or form. That was and is because that the combat in PVE is now based on all of the GCW buffs, stats, items, and rewards. Many in SOB saw Kruce and Oemore at least hold their own in the "new" PVE and realized that to compete with NPCS that have 300K life or more, they needed the stats / buffs.
And while Helios had his flaws, he was nowhere near as dangerous as blix in his view of where the game should be going. At least Helios was making additions to the code instead of re-working the entire stat system. IE C5. I also, did not like the re-vamp and the loss of the old GCW system, but that was not a game breaker for me at least. The new stat system was a deal breaker, for me, as CU was to many in the original game. NGE was a complete game change and any1 could see that the existing player base was not going to like it or tolerate it.
And the day 1 elders that I spoke of above are Starmond and Angelise. As I'm sure you are aware of, Starmond co founded MMM, cobra, Mos Meca, Ghost Town on lok, Hideaway on Naboo, etc etc and was a almost rabid player, now, leaving also. You can take a look at the Kauri forums to see the leaving just as easy as I can. Zakri is 1 of the posters that said goodbye and I recruited him into Cobra myself, as a low level new player, and he followed me to SOB after the merger. The 1 that took me by surprise, although it probably shouldn't, is Yukmot leaving the server. I would imagine he followed the entire imp guild that tranferred. Most on Kauri pvped. No where near as much as Yukmot, but most pvped for the items. The windu crystal is the best in game and the end general weapons are about the same. And with the lava crystal, lava cannon, acid gun, etc etc being almost out of reach for the difficulty caused in the C6 Combat downgrade, the GCW system is about the easiest way to obtain a decent weapon now. Before C6, SOB had almost a nightly run to musti for guildies. After C6, I was asked to take part in 1 and Oemore was well known to help on runs , not just SOB, but HMI and many other guilds also, and not want anything as I had it all already. I think I even went on a cake run once. LOL
ANYTIME, they start MASSIVELY CHANGING the game mechanics there is going to be a problem with the player base and it WILL cause a loss of subs. You would think that after CU and NGE they would have gotten it but appearently not. As another poster said, blix was involved in NGE and that is just about his MO. Making Blix the god of SWG was about the single worst event in game while I was there.
Kauri is in pretty bad shape now in the way of population. It has the lowest GCW numbers and I didn't see a lower level in the last few months. Sad, cause I remember a year ago when the population was decent, there were new players, and people seemed to be enjoying themselves finally after NGE.
So they are lying when they say something you choose not to believe but they speak the truth when it squares with your view. Gotcha.
Anyone who has logged into the game anytime since the NGE went live, knows the vast majority of the servers are all but empty. John Smedley, who is a habitual liar, only pointed out what was obvious. Log into Sunrunner and try and tell me there are enough players on that server to justify its existence. Sunrunner isn't even at the bottom for population. The game needs the servers to be merged, that is obvious. It'll most likely be the top priority at the end of this year, or the beginning of next.
Obviously -- however it is VERY informative in looking at the spin they are choosing to release. That's why I shared this. Interviews with people like Smed are what SOE/LA wants us to know.
You haven't actually offered any of your own personal insights on the article in question. Would you care to share with us what parts of this article you found to be so "informative" that it was necessary to start a thread over? Frankly, I found the article to be remarkably bland and uninformative. There's no journalism here. SOE obviously provided the questions for the interview.
"What I can tell you is, SWG is a mature MMO now in the sense that it has lived a life online already, and is now experiencing a resurgence."
Heh, yeah...mature to the point that those associated with it are now well entrenched in their senility.
"That is why we have made huge efforts to establish strong lines of communication with the community and will continue to nurture this relationship for years to come."
Good god, how large is this man's nose now?
I've shared enough in other places. In this thread I am merely enjoying being witness to the farce.
So they are lying when they say something you choose not to believe but they speak the truth when it squares with your view. Gotcha.
Anyone who has logged into the game anytime since the NGE went live, knows the vast majority of the servers are all but empty. John Smedley, who is a habitual liar, only pointed out what was obvious. Log into Sunrunner and try and tell me there are enough players on that server to justify its existence. Sunrunner isn't even at the bottom for population. The game needs the servers to be merged, that is obvious. It'll most likely be the top priority at the end of this year, or the beginning of next.
It's interesting that from my perspective, the game was most alive, most socially vibrant, in beta 3. Nearly every city on either the Bria or Ahazi servers were populated with players then....the cantinas and medical centers were places where you'd meet new people to get your wounds, health, action, and mind healed along with your battle fatigue.
It might well be that one of SWG's real problems was that the servers could not handle a dense enough population for its passive social interaction to click right. It certainly does not have this feature now, as on Ahazi at least there are only two places where you can find more than a couple of players at a time interacting, Mos Eisley and Theed...and in Mos Eisley unfortunately four or five gold sellers/leveling services are spouting off.
Player cities? Forget about it....
CH, Jedi, Commando, Smuggler, BH, Scout, Doctor, Chef, BE...yeah, lots of SWG time invested.
Obviously -- however it is VERY informative in looking at the spin they are choosing to release. That's why I shared this. Interviews with people like Smed are what SOE/LA wants us to know.
You haven't actually offered any of your own personal insights on the article in question. Would you care to share with us what parts of this article you found to be so "informative" that it was necessary to start a thread over? Frankly, I found the article to be remarkably bland and uninformative. There's no journalism here. SOE obviously provided the questions for the interview.
"What I can tell you is, SWG is a mature MMO now in the sense that it has lived a life online already, and is now experiencing a resurgence."
Heh, yeah...mature to the point that those associated with it are now well entrenched in their senility.
"That is why we have made huge efforts to establish strong lines of communication with the community and will continue to nurture this relationship for years to come."
Good god, how large is this man's nose now?
I've shared enough in other places. In this thread I am merely enjoying being witness to the farce.
So you were just trolling, gotcha.
Actually no, I never troll. I was sharing something I saw, and observing the predictable reaction (which indeed I happen to enjoy, as I enjoy witnessing many farces in many situations). My intention, as always, was to share, not to troll.
I enjoy witnessing many farces in many situations.
Thank you for showing how much you value the opinions of others.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
I enjoy witnessing many farces in many situations.
Thank you for showing how much you value the opinions of others.
I always value intelligent, well presented ideas and opinions, as I have shown on countless occasions. Hate-filled fundamentalisms and zealotries, on the other hand, are little more than entertainment at best.
I think they are on the right track now...but they wasted too much time. Took them over a year to give up on the "direction" they wanted to take the game. And now with less devs, less budget, and pretty much less everything, its taking too long to put out updates AND have the quality the customers both expect and deserve.
See you in the dream.. The Fires from heaven, now as cold as ice. A rapid ascension tolls a heavy price.
You mean 6 months for a small patch is too long? Lmao, it would take them 2 more years to get a Star Destroyer in-game. That's if they diverted their attention from everything else and just focused on it.
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lol even I can laugh at that.
Sadly being nice and rosey just does not work with the current SWG playerbase. Most of them need a whap up the side of the head to see things. I wish I could be forgiven like this product has for anything I did wrong in my life though. I'd be a bazillionare! Also maybe have like 9 wives, 28 cars and 5 houses.
I mean this market needs to be farmed from SOE bigtime. They need to sell RL land in game, cars, investments... because if they can get people to pay for the product based on it's success alone then they sure as Hell could get them to pay for bag of Mud and name it pudding.
I just hope that this is not the future leadership of the US... thats all I can think of atm.
Ah yes, the old "people who disagree with me are blind" argument. That is some very flawed argumentation there. Plus if you need to "whap people" to make your point, perhaps the point you are trying to make is wrong. Note I said perhaps. You won't, but remember I said perhaps. Oh, and you are forgiven for everything you ever did wrong in your life -- but that's another discussion beyond the scope of this forum.
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And then Toon Town, a game that is not even sold in stores and is kid based, barely advertised and by all means not all 8-10 year olds have computers, granted both mine do but still.
It is bug free and smooth. I am almosst ashamed of this fact, due to myself as having played both products and seeing which one is better. I mean really... Toon Town does not over promise or under deliver, it did not lie to its customer base over and over, it did not take out somthing in the name of complexity, it did not assume that people did not need to read or experience somthing, it did not force 200k worth of customers to leave in anger and frustration due to product change 3 times.
In short.. they did not ruin thier product in the midst of marketing or greed.
How sad is that?
On this we can both agree wholeheartedly. It is ridiculously sad what they did with SWG.
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You haven't actually offered any of your own personal insights on the article in question. Would you care to share with us what parts of this article you found to be so "informative" that it was necessary to start a thread over? Frankly, I found the article to be remarkably bland and uninformative. There's no journalism here. SOE obviously provided the questions for the interview.
"What I can tell you is, SWG is a mature MMO now in the sense that it has lived a life online already, and is now experiencing a resurgence."
Heh, yeah...mature to the point that those associated with it are now well entrenched in their senility.
"That is why we have made huge efforts to establish strong lines of communication with the community and will continue to nurture this relationship for years to come."
Good god, how large is this man's nose now?
LOL, I can remember the SOE PR flaks promissing "to establish stong lines of communication" almost from the day of launch, and failing miserably to even attempt to live up to their promise.
Surely you remember Thunderheart's pledge that SWG changes would be telegraphed well in advance through the InConcept/InDevelopment/InTesting process, which was of course totally ignored as Smedley and his lackies worked in back rooms on the abortion that is and was the NGE, springing the whole thing on us a day after Trials of Obi Wan was released, instantly nullifiying a healthy fraction of ToOW's content.
SOE has no crediblity to salavage with regards to SWG. These were not issues of "things change when confronted by reality", we're talking about cases of willful, premeditated mendacity that cannot be explained away.
CH, Jedi, Commando, Smuggler, BH, Scout, Doctor, Chef, BE...yeah, lots of SWG time invested.
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even now smed's lackeys prep his escape sub for the trip to cuba....castro has agreed to help in the construction of a weapon that will force all to play and like the nge....now only steve wynn's cyborg dev army can save gaming as we know it....
The reason why "most people" appear to not want a server merge is because those are the only remaining active users.
Those who did want server merges have canceled their accounts.
Now as the summer comes to an end, schools and colleges begins and the Beast Master Patch has passed, I think that increasing surge of 10k "active users" per month will decline sharply. Historically, every time a new "exciting patch" or expansion has been made there has been a surge for about two months.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
You haven't actually offered any of your own personal insights on the article in question. Would you care to share with us what parts of this article you found to be so "informative" that it was necessary to start a thread over? Frankly, I found the article to be remarkably bland and uninformative. There's no journalism here. SOE obviously provided the questions for the interview.
"What I can tell you is, SWG is a mature MMO now in the sense that it has lived a life online already, and is now experiencing a resurgence."
Heh, yeah...mature to the point that those associated with it are now well entrenched in their senility.
"That is why we have made huge efforts to establish strong lines of communication with the community and will continue to nurture this relationship for years to come."
Good god, how large is this man's nose now?
I've shared enough in other places. In this thread I am merely enjoying being witness to the farce.
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This made me chuckle, it is part of the build up to the interview:
"Sony Online Entertainment President John Smedley was one of the key panelists"
So basically, the CEO of SOE was one of the key panelists to a SOE panel discussion. Such a honor!
Sorta like being called a VIP at your own birthday party.
for the rest:
100,000 active accounts includes station pass accounts - hmmm?
10% numbers increase doesn't include vet trials - hmmm?
All of the interview is old news we heard before "Continue to play this game things are gonna be better really soon - just not now, soon, just not at the moment...keep playing folks great things are in the works!!!! They just are not ready yet...but we care about you so keep paying...er, i mean Playing, keep playing"
"The liberties and resulting economic prosperity that YOU take for granted were granted by those "dead guys"
Good luck fish.
There's nothing to actually answer there. Nothing in your post even remotely contradicts anything I've said. The only disagreement we would have is they are still gaining subs as a net gain, in spite of the 'combat downgrade." We;ll see if it holds out after the summer.
I just took a look at the Kauri boards. 3 more goodbyes, not just moves this time, but I'm outta here kind of posts. I knew 2 of them. You know that the GCW is about all the end game content and that most 90's, not all but most, are involved in the GCW somewhat. The rewards are good and the buffs are expecially needed now in PVE. You also know that there is little if not no new players joining the game. I also talked to a day 1 elder tonight on the telephone, we were co-leaders in Cobra until the guild got too small and we merged it with another, and he is leaving too. 8 accounts gone there. And, that is just sad. He wanted to know the server I'm on in WoW.
There is no way there is 100K subs. That statement is totally misleading. If I had to estimate, I would guess 20,000 and that is giving them the benifit of the doubt. There is no way that they are gaining subs either. Even at the housing purge, Virrago makes a post that "This is what happens when 10K people log on at once......"(talking about the lag of 6 minutes before the house you destroyed actually blew up) and that number happened to co-incide perfectly with the forums numbers BTW. They have fed you a load, my friend. This spin is nothing more than to lure people back to a game that, per their spin, is doing good again so they can count returning vets trial accounts, again.
What you really need to ask you new found friends is, Why not a server merge that the remaining customers are screaming for? Then, why not a Pre-CU, CU, and NGE C5 classic servers with the 16 to 20 empty servers they have left? They are the 1s who made 3 different disgruntled player bases. Then, you might see a upsurge in subs, and just about only then. Read what people are saying here. If you want to help them, that probably the way to do it. I would think that if they wait until EMU, KOTOR, and STO come out, they will never get any1 back and most of their 20K will beat feet.
I don't know if you play Kauri, but that is my home server so let me just say what is kinda going on with it.Kauri became a PvP Heavy Server last year like most due to Helios believing PvP was the end all 'content' that the Player Base wanted. Now I'm not a big time PvPer, I believe PvP has a 'place' in an MMO but unless the MMO is made with PvP as the sole idea of the game like Planetside or Shadowbane, you've going to have PvE Players and really non hardcore PvPer's trying to get into it. Anyway at the start of the NGE till about August of last year Kauri was a big Rebel Server, well even before that. But that was mostly due to a guild (FS) having tons of Jedi Players in the Pre-CU and CU.
Now yes the Rebels did out number the Imp's by a good number, however I should note that battles where mostly even. And well we had a TON of stupid Rebel PvPer's as well. Namely guys who rather then wait for the battle to come to them would lead half our force, get them killed and then whine when we lost. I should note that 'many' of the Players that would do that, and a good number of Rebels and Imp's where Elder Jedi's as well.
Still around August of last year 4 well known Rebels had come back to the server and rejoined one of Kauri's bigger Rebel Guilds. What we didn't know at the time was those 4 had run off when the NGE came out to Guild Wars and had started talking to the Leader and a few members of another Kauri Imp Guild and had decided to come back. Now as much as they brag that they didn't do anything wrong, they did claim they where back and "Rebels for good" and where given a good amount of items, credits and I believe someone did take one of them from 80 to 90. Anyway one day out of the blue they just quit and went Imp and joined this guild and that's where alot of this starts...
See what they may or may not have known was many Imp Players where also returning at that time as well. Also rather then it just be 'them' they did talk a number of Rebels into going Imp and joining up with them. If you really read the forums you will see that many of those Players insult and trash talk anyone that is not a PvPer. Infact they stuck up for a known Grief Player who was banned and talked the Player who got this Player banned into gettting said Grief Player unbanned, namely due to the fact that this Griefer was Imp and a good PvPer. Infact they did bring that up when talking about it. Any Rebel Leader that tried to come along was just flamed and insulted and they did run one of them off. Not only that it just became one big flame war with many of the Imp's, if the Rebels won one battle one night, then they would scream about how they got out numbered or the like on the Kauri Forums.
There are some other colorful things many of those Imp Players did as well, a joint Rebel/Imp Events thing was planned out, the idea being that trying to mend some fences and work with one another would keep the server alive. However one returning Player (another Rebel who went Imp) flamed anyone on the forums about it, and in the end killed it and got his own events going. The Imp's would gladly call in anyone base busting or report anyone they could. However if someone did it to them, dear god it was "Who did it!?!" and whoever did was insulted to high hell.
And not only that the Imp's rather then try to keep things somewhat balanced in order to have good PvP fights did everything in their power to make it one sided. Be it from getting Rebels to go Imp, flaming Rebels on the Forums, insulting and trash talking in game, and talking about how the Rebels out number them. With Kauri that is somewhat true as most of the server is made up of French Players in the day, at night you have more U.S. Players. Most of the French are Rebels (tho a good number of them went Imp too) and a good number of the U.S. Players are Imp.
And most of all most of those Players don't understand that many players are NOT hardcore PvPer's like they are! And after one year of all of that BS many just don't want to deal with the almost one sided PvP and everything that has gone along with it. Really the Imp's on Kauri (and most of the ones leaving are Imp) did it to there damn selfs.
See this is how SOE really screwed up with the NGE. Well not so much SOE but I lay the blame for alot of this BS on Helios. I do remember him from Ultima Online (if anyone recalls he did have The Dread Lord Helios in his sig, Dread Lord being a UO Title) and well Helios is a heavy PvPer, who even back in the UO days did say that he disliked PvE gameplay. Rather then go with the plan of getting more PvE based content out the door, Helios went with systems like the GCW Bases, Restuss and the new GCW system. And all 3 of them well kinda suck.
The Bases for one are not all that fun, we where able on Kauri to hold a Base for 3 days to get the Banners from them. However 3 days is an insane amount of work. And really back in those days the bases where way too easy to change hands. Not only that take the Coro Base, the Imp's get to come down this nice big hill, meaning they have an easyer time of laying mines, shooting down, and the like. The Rebels to get to this base have a River in the way, along with a nice big hill to come up... Really whoever did the Base's and the lay out didn't do a good job in Balancing some of it out.
Then we have Restuss, ok for an 'Event' the Restuss Battle was fun. However that was just it! It was one big battle that happen in game and then turned into a PvP Zone. The Rewards are too long to get and suck in the end, well unless your a Commando or Jedi. Still it's a shame, it can take a few days to get the 500 Comms, and most of the reward weapons just suck. The Restuss Crusader Armor is imho a crime, both the Imp and Rebel look good and are the non-BH/Commando's Mando Armor. Yet the stats suck (not too bad if your a Smuggler but still...)
And lastly we have the GCW system, now anyone know why the 'old' GCW system had fans? It was both PvP and PvE based. The new system for any of the Officer Ranks you need to live, breath and eat killing NPC Rebels/Imps (or TIE's/X-WIngs) or live, breath and eat PvP. And with the Decay and the like, it just doesn't work! It's a shame cuz the ideas and rewards are nice. But hell I feel bad for any server that is one sided... And all of this was Helios ideas...
Now Smedley lets face it he is a Corp Suit, most lie about 99% of the time... Tell the truth I don't know how much input he has in SWG, but for the most part I don't really give a damn. Helios was the one that 'should' have been pushing what the Dev's are trying to do now. Rather then trying to make SWG into Planetside with two factions, no Tanks or Aircraft and Jedi's.
And yes, Kauri was my home also. Except for a very short stent on bloodfin, about 2 weeks, I played exclusively on Kauri. Oemore was my toon BTW, and was a reb General and went out as such so I also am aware of all the mess that happened in PVP with the trash talk, etc. etc. I was the 1st reb general in SOB. Kruce was the only other General when I made it. And almost all the combat toons in SOB was working on the GCW in some shape or form. That was and is because that the combat in PVE is now based on all of the GCW buffs, stats, items, and rewards. Many in SOB saw Kruce and Oemore at least hold their own in the "new" PVE and realized that to compete with NPCS that have 300K life or more, they needed the stats / buffs.And while Helios had his flaws, he was nowhere near as dangerous as blix in his view of where the game should be going. At least Helios was making additions to the code instead of re-working the entire stat system. IE C5. I also, did not like the re-vamp and the loss of the old GCW system, but that was not a game breaker for me at least. The new stat system was a deal breaker, for me, as CU was to many in the original game. NGE was a complete game change and any1 could see that the existing player base was not going to like it or tolerate it.
And the day 1 elders that I spoke of above are Starmond and Angelise. As I'm sure you are aware of, Starmond co founded MMM, cobra, Mos Meca, Ghost Town on lok, Hideaway on Naboo, etc etc and was a almost rabid player, now, leaving also. You can take a look at the Kauri forums to see the leaving just as easy as I can. Zakri is 1 of the posters that said goodbye and I recruited him into Cobra myself, as a low level new player, and he followed me to SOB after the merger. The 1 that took me by surprise, although it probably shouldn't, is Yukmot leaving the server. I would imagine he followed the entire imp guild that tranferred. Most on Kauri pvped. No where near as much as Yukmot, but most pvped for the items. The windu crystal is the best in game and the end general weapons are about the same. And with the lava crystal, lava cannon, acid gun, etc etc being almost out of reach for the difficulty caused in the C6 Combat downgrade, the GCW system is about the easiest way to obtain a decent weapon now. Before C6, SOB had almost a nightly run to musti for guildies. After C6, I was asked to take part in 1 and Oemore was well known to help on runs , not just SOB, but HMI and many other guilds also, and not want anything as I had it all already. I think I even went on a cake run once. LOL
ANYTIME, they start MASSIVELY CHANGING the game mechanics there is going to be a problem with the player base and it WILL cause a loss of subs. You would think that after CU and NGE they would have gotten it but appearently not. As another poster said, blix was involved in NGE and that is just about his MO. Making Blix the god of SWG was about the single worst event in game while I was there.
Kauri is in pretty bad shape now in the way of population. It has the lowest GCW numbers and I didn't see a lower level in the last few months. Sad, cause I remember a year ago when the population was decent, there were new players, and people seemed to be enjoying themselves finally after NGE.
Anyone who has logged into the game anytime since the NGE went live, knows the vast majority of the servers are all but empty. John Smedley, who is a habitual liar, only pointed out what was obvious. Log into Sunrunner and try and tell me there are enough players on that server to justify its existence. Sunrunner isn't even at the bottom for population. The game needs the servers to be merged, that is obvious. It'll most likely be the top priority at the end of this year, or the beginning of next.
You haven't actually offered any of your own personal insights on the article in question. Would you care to share with us what parts of this article you found to be so "informative" that it was necessary to start a thread over? Frankly, I found the article to be remarkably bland and uninformative. There's no journalism here. SOE obviously provided the questions for the interview.
"What I can tell you is, SWG is a mature MMO now in the sense that it has lived a life online already, and is now experiencing a resurgence."
Heh, yeah...mature to the point that those associated with it are now well entrenched in their senility.
"That is why we have made huge efforts to establish strong lines of communication with the community and will continue to nurture this relationship for years to come."
Good god, how large is this man's nose now?
I've shared enough in other places. In this thread I am merely enjoying being witness to the farce.
So you were just trolling, gotcha.
Anyone who has logged into the game anytime since the NGE went live, knows the vast majority of the servers are all but empty. John Smedley, who is a habitual liar, only pointed out what was obvious. Log into Sunrunner and try and tell me there are enough players on that server to justify its existence. Sunrunner isn't even at the bottom for population. The game needs the servers to be merged, that is obvious. It'll most likely be the top priority at the end of this year, or the beginning of next.
It's interesting that from my perspective, the game was most alive, most socially vibrant, in beta 3. Nearly every city on either the Bria or Ahazi servers were populated with players then....the cantinas and medical centers were places where you'd meet new people to get your wounds, health, action, and mind healed along with your battle fatigue.
It might well be that one of SWG's real problems was that the servers could not handle a dense enough population for its passive social interaction to click right. It certainly does not have this feature now, as on Ahazi at least there are only two places where you can find more than a couple of players at a time interacting, Mos Eisley and Theed...and in Mos Eisley unfortunately four or five gold sellers/leveling services are spouting off.
Player cities? Forget about it....
CH, Jedi, Commando, Smuggler, BH, Scout, Doctor, Chef, BE...yeah, lots of SWG time invested.
Once a denizen of Ahazi
You haven't actually offered any of your own personal insights on the article in question. Would you care to share with us what parts of this article you found to be so "informative" that it was necessary to start a thread over? Frankly, I found the article to be remarkably bland and uninformative. There's no journalism here. SOE obviously provided the questions for the interview.
"What I can tell you is, SWG is a mature MMO now in the sense that it has lived a life online already, and is now experiencing a resurgence."
Heh, yeah...mature to the point that those associated with it are now well entrenched in their senility.
"That is why we have made huge efforts to establish strong lines of communication with the community and will continue to nurture this relationship for years to come."
Good god, how large is this man's nose now?
I've shared enough in other places. In this thread I am merely enjoying being witness to the farce.
So you were just trolling, gotcha.
Actually no, I never troll. I was sharing something I saw, and observing the predictable reaction (which indeed I happen to enjoy, as I enjoy witnessing many farces in many situations). My intention, as always, was to share, not to troll.
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Thank you for showing how much you value the opinions of others.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
Thank you for showing how much you value the opinions of others.
I always value intelligent, well presented ideas and opinions, as I have shown on countless occasions. Hate-filled fundamentalisms and zealotries, on the other hand, are little more than entertainment at best.
At any rate, you're welcome, any time.
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I think they are on the right track now...but they wasted too much time. Took them over a year to give up on the "direction" they wanted to take the game. And now with less devs, less budget, and pretty much less everything, its taking too long to put out updates AND have the quality the customers both expect and deserve.
See you in the dream..
The Fires from heaven, now as cold as ice. A rapid ascension tolls a heavy price.
You mean 6 months for a small patch is too long? Lmao, it would take them 2 more years to get a Star Destroyer in-game. That's if they diverted their attention from everything else and just focused on it.