how about this. Can I reasonably expect to, with gear basically NPC or maybe auction-bought gear from minimal gold farming, have at least a 35 kills for every 65 deaths? That was about my DAOC average with my non-twinked toon, maybe a little lower. OR will it be like 1 kill per 100 deaths like MMO's w/ 56k.
how about this. Can I reasonably expect to, with gear basically NPC or maybe auction-bought gear from minimal gold farming, have at least a 35 kills for every 65 deaths? That was about my DAOC average with my non-twinked toon, maybe a little lower. OR will it be like 1 kill per 100 deaths like MMO's w/ 56k.
Early on it's viable, depending on your class and if you dont end up against a premade twink bg group.
Seriously though you would be better off to listen to Pappy13, as he still plays it seems. Things may have changed but I wouldnt think so.
You'll level for 3 months (pretty fun for the most part) then raid 20-40 hours a week to get gear which will be outdated everytime an expansion comes out. Or you can do what I did and go the PvP route which lasts about a month-month and a half. Either way, you end up raiding which takes too much time and puts a lot of greed in you. There are games that are more FPM (fun per minute) than World of Warcraft. Don't let a number fool you like it did a lot of people when it hit 2 million.
The problem with the idiotic fanbois in this thread is that they blindly believe that people who don't like wow don't have good reasons for it. Quite to the contrary, you'll find that people who don't like wow have already played it for years, and primarily dislike the endgame, which the vast majority of paying wow customers don't like either.
Here is the scoop on wow:
1) Play the game if you haven't played it before. 1-59 is one of the best games ever made, and the same can be said of 60-69. The arcade style combat is second to none, and the game is just flat out fun to play.
2) The game pretty much ends at level 69 unless you are willing to a) pvp forever for high quality gear, b) grind faction forever for very subpar gear, or c) raid forever for the best gear.
Point two is why people don't like wow. Very few people will tell you that leveling in wow sucks. Certainly, there are some people who will say that, but they do not represent most players. The problem is that wow's ENDGAME is terrible. People who have played other MMOs and other perpetual games recognize this, and realize that wow is very shallow. There is no housing, crafting is basically non-existant due to bind on pickup, pvp is nothing more then a few battlegrounds, and everything that you do from the moment you hit 70 is like a job. Not very fun, but necessary if you wish to progress in the game. All of the smaller grouping or soloing that you have enjoyed is gone. Now enjoy spending day after day with 24 other people (used to be 39!) raiding for the best gear. The problem isn't that raids are in the game (I don't mind raids from time to time), it's that raiding is the ONLY way to advance your character at the end game. If you dont' like raiding, you are simply out of luck (and no, pvp gear is not as good as raid gear).
The wow fanbois are either 1) people who haven't hit 70 yet, 2) people who have never played another mmo and thus don't know what they're missing, and 3) people who like raiding (yes, there are people who actually enjoy raiding every day). Since there are very few people who actually like raiding, then that is the reason why there is such a large amount of people who don't like wow's endgame ( a heck of a lot more then the 20 people one fanboi claimed earlier on in this thread).
Hopefully this allows you to get a more realistic view of the game from someone who is not polarized one way or the other. Like I said, wow 1-69 is one of the best games you will ever play. Wow endgame is probably one of the worst games you will ever play, unless you're a fan of raiding.
WoW is a good game, but just don't forget that it has a target audience. The target audience is casual PVE. The PVP was thrown in to give the target audience something to break the monotony.
Just like you don't go into a Mexican restaurant expecting Chineese food, don't go into WoW expecting deep, balanced, hardcore, world changing PVP.
"Those who dislike things based only on the fact that they are popular are just as shallow and superficial as those who only like them for the same reason."
how about this. Can I reasonably expect to, with gear basically NPC or maybe auction-bought gear from minimal gold farming, have at least a 35 kills for every 65 deaths? That was about my DAOC average with my non-twinked toon, maybe a little lower. OR will it be like 1 kill per 100 deaths like MMO's w/ 56k.
That's difficult for me to answer because I'm not really sure how you come up with that ratio in DAoC so I'm not quite sure how to compare it with WoW. Let me explain my experience with WoW and maybe you can relate your DAoC experience to it.
Let's call your ratio above for arguments sake a 1 to 2 kill to death ratio. I tend to play in battlegrounds where there are very few 1v1 encounters. Mostly it's a group effort and in WoW you get credit for every kill that your entire group makes, not just you. So in that way I usually have maybe a 5 to 1 kill to death ratio, but again that's for my entire group, not just me. Now WoW also keeps track of how many killing blows you personally dealt and that number would be more like a 1 to 2 killing blows to deaths ratio usually. Now if that's what your talking about in DAoC, then I would think yes that's a quite reasonable ratio to expect with average gear and average skills which is what I have.
Let me give some real world examples:
In a recent battlegrounds in which there were 15 Alliance and 15 Horde and the Alliance won, the numbers I got are below.
Killing blows: 4
Deaths: 6
Honorable Kills: 25
As far as killing blows go, I was about in the middle as the top Alliance guy had 14 KB's and only 4 deaths. I'm an average to above average player with average to above average gear. I raid very little and I don't do rep grinds or gold farming and I really don't buy a lot of gear off the AH, just mainly to fill in gaps in my equipment where possible. Most of my gear is just from random drops off mobs and stuff from questing. I do a little twinking, but like I said I don't raid much on any of my characters so the gear is just mainly from drops.
Now of course this is just one example, but I think it's along the lines of what you're talking about. Typically the Horde wins more often than the Alliance in my experience on my server, so if you want your Kills to deaths ratio to be higher, I would choose the Horde. Getting into battlegrounds also tends to be easier from the Horde side as there are more Alliance playing then Horde most of the time on most servers, so as soon as there are enough Horde to start a battle, one usually begins whereas on the Alliance side there's usually a wait to get into a battleground.
So are we talking apples to apples or apples to oranges?
Now if you are more of 1v1 guy, I can't really relate because I don't go around ganking people or challenging people to duels and that's about the only way you're going to see a lot of 1v1 encounters. When I get ganked, I lose pretty frequently as mostly the people doing the ganking are geared for it and/or have the advantage on you like getting in the first shot or catching you while you are engaged with another mob or several levels higher than you. I rarely get ganked by people of lower level than me.
how about this. Can I reasonably expect to, with gear basically NPC or maybe auction-bought gear from minimal gold farming, have at least a 35 kills for every 65 deaths? That was about my DAOC average with my non-twinked toon, maybe a little lower. OR will it be like 1 kill per 100 deaths like MMO's w/ 56k.
I feel player skill will have less an effect in WAr than DAOC .. becuase that what is really causing that 35/65 k/d ratio (little to do with equip) also daoc has some of the easyest competitive armor to aquire of any MMO out there Cox is high also.
Still WAr looks like a pretty forgiving games for noobs, and so far it seems liek itematation it not WoW eleet items route quite the opposed (which will hurt the pbase of WAr because that all most WOW mmoers understand). Still i am happy about it.
Sorry to tell you this but your k/d ratio was the lack of your player skill. You would have to solo all the time to get this also seeign as how your kills are your grousp kills. Thus your soloing .. daoc = not a solo game = you'll get hit by groups of players and take them all on by yourselve and then rightly lose and die. (I feel somehow as 35 / 65 is a troll).
I have a runemaster atm that has green/blue equipment (thast super old)its stats are just nasty (bad).
Like 3 months ago when i was goofing around with different class combos , me and my friend skald took out a 6 man group ... 110% skill. Out side was out numbered atm too (we did that just us 2 vs their 6). We didn't even jump them they mezzed both of us off the bat , my rm doesn't have equip or high RR.
So how the f do i do soo well Skill baby skill, daoc is the best mmo on the market that will let player skill make a differnece that why lower rr people often feel that RR is this giant thing.. when really its the player knowing what they are doing uselikg 2-6 items during the fight ETC.
Still what where your rps .. a nice thign about DAOC is that sometime me and that same friend will be massively out number and still attack why ? easy if we kill just 1 toon with burst dps then we got alot of rp if we kill 2 our k/d ratio stay the same and we get even more rp.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
If you want to be competitive in PvP you dont need to grind anything besides BG, Arenas, and some factions (head and shoulder enchants). The reason not to play? If you want to be in a really good arena team you will have to sacrifice friends for the perfect class make up. You might have to set a schedule with your team (probably not as bad as raiders). It gets really frustrating when half your team isnt on when youre on. It also get frustrating when you have a schedule set up and people constantly fuck it up. For a PvPer there isnt much to do besides arenas. Since you're new you will probably have some fun in BGs for a while (eventually get tired of it and ONLY use it to farm those extra armor pieces). You might raid a town once in a while but it barely happens... When it does many of the enemies usually run away like bitches. The community is horrible. If you love obnoxious kids then I guess it's all good. If not be prepared to look for people you click with and stick with them. You will still see the idiotic shit people talk about in general/trade and sometimes have to deal with them in vent/party/raid. You will also see many variations of nub used. Also the ever so popular L2P. Maybe a stupid chuck norris joke. Lawl and what not. If you find some good friends you can usually deal with all the idiotic shit going on. ATM I havent seen a MMO that I liked more than WoW (my opinion of course). It does piss you off sometimes and can get EXTREMELY REPETITIVE. If you like PvE and PvP I guess theres more variation in what you can do. I personally only PvP aka only do Arena... so yeah... kinda repetitive. Cant wait for a new pvp game to come out .
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how about this. Can I reasonably expect to, with gear basically NPC or maybe auction-bought gear from minimal gold farming, have at least a 35 kills for every 65 deaths? That was about my DAOC average with my non-twinked toon, maybe a little lower. OR will it be like 1 kill per 100 deaths like MMO's w/ 56k.
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wow gets you bored quick.
Early on it's viable, depending on your class and if you dont end up against a premade twink bg group.
Seriously though you would be better off to listen to Pappy13, as he still plays it seems. Things may have changed but I wouldnt think so.
You'll level for 3 months (pretty fun for the most part) then raid 20-40 hours a week to get gear which will be outdated everytime an expansion comes out. Or you can do what I did and go the PvP route which lasts about a month-month and a half. Either way, you end up raiding which takes too much time and puts a lot of greed in you. There are games that are more FPM (fun per minute) than World of Warcraft. Don't let a number fool you like it did a lot of people when it hit 2 million.
The problem with the idiotic fanbois in this thread is that they blindly believe that people who don't like wow don't have good reasons for it. Quite to the contrary, you'll find that people who don't like wow have already played it for years, and primarily dislike the endgame, which the vast majority of paying wow customers don't like either.
Here is the scoop on wow:
1) Play the game if you haven't played it before. 1-59 is one of the best games ever made, and the same can be said of 60-69. The arcade style combat is second to none, and the game is just flat out fun to play.
2) The game pretty much ends at level 69 unless you are willing to a) pvp forever for high quality gear, b) grind faction forever for very subpar gear, or c) raid forever for the best gear.
Point two is why people don't like wow. Very few people will tell you that leveling in wow sucks. Certainly, there are some people who will say that, but they do not represent most players. The problem is that wow's ENDGAME is terrible. People who have played other MMOs and other perpetual games recognize this, and realize that wow is very shallow. There is no housing, crafting is basically non-existant due to bind on pickup, pvp is nothing more then a few battlegrounds, and everything that you do from the moment you hit 70 is like a job. Not very fun, but necessary if you wish to progress in the game. All of the smaller grouping or soloing that you have enjoyed is gone. Now enjoy spending day after day with 24 other people (used to be 39!) raiding for the best gear. The problem isn't that raids are in the game (I don't mind raids from time to time), it's that raiding is the ONLY way to advance your character at the end game. If you dont' like raiding, you are simply out of luck (and no, pvp gear is not as good as raid gear).
The wow fanbois are either 1) people who haven't hit 70 yet, 2) people who have never played another mmo and thus don't know what they're missing, and 3) people who like raiding (yes, there are people who actually enjoy raiding every day). Since there are very few people who actually like raiding, then that is the reason why there is such a large amount of people who don't like wow's endgame ( a heck of a lot more then the 20 people one fanboi claimed earlier on in this thread).
Hopefully this allows you to get a more realistic view of the game from someone who is not polarized one way or the other. Like I said, wow 1-69 is one of the best games you will ever play. Wow endgame is probably one of the worst games you will ever play, unless you're a fan of raiding.
WoW is a good game, but just don't forget that it has a target audience. The target audience is casual PVE. The PVP was thrown in to give the target audience something to break the monotony.
Just like you don't go into a Mexican restaurant expecting Chineese food, don't go into WoW expecting deep, balanced, hardcore, world changing PVP.
"Those who dislike things based only on the fact that they are popular are just as shallow and superficial as those who only like them for the same reason."
That's difficult for me to answer because I'm not really sure how you come up with that ratio in DAoC so I'm not quite sure how to compare it with WoW. Let me explain my experience with WoW and maybe you can relate your DAoC experience to it.
Let's call your ratio above for arguments sake a 1 to 2 kill to death ratio. I tend to play in battlegrounds where there are very few 1v1 encounters. Mostly it's a group effort and in WoW you get credit for every kill that your entire group makes, not just you. So in that way I usually have maybe a 5 to 1 kill to death ratio, but again that's for my entire group, not just me. Now WoW also keeps track of how many killing blows you personally dealt and that number would be more like a 1 to 2 killing blows to deaths ratio usually. Now if that's what your talking about in DAoC, then I would think yes that's a quite reasonable ratio to expect with average gear and average skills which is what I have.
Let me give some real world examples:
In a recent battlegrounds in which there were 15 Alliance and 15 Horde and the Alliance won, the numbers I got are below.
Killing blows: 4
Deaths: 6
Honorable Kills: 25
As far as killing blows go, I was about in the middle as the top Alliance guy had 14 KB's and only 4 deaths. I'm an average to above average player with average to above average gear. I raid very little and I don't do rep grinds or gold farming and I really don't buy a lot of gear off the AH, just mainly to fill in gaps in my equipment where possible. Most of my gear is just from random drops off mobs and stuff from questing. I do a little twinking, but like I said I don't raid much on any of my characters so the gear is just mainly from drops.
Now of course this is just one example, but I think it's along the lines of what you're talking about. Typically the Horde wins more often than the Alliance in my experience on my server, so if you want your Kills to deaths ratio to be higher, I would choose the Horde. Getting into battlegrounds also tends to be easier from the Horde side as there are more Alliance playing then Horde most of the time on most servers, so as soon as there are enough Horde to start a battle, one usually begins whereas on the Alliance side there's usually a wait to get into a battleground.
So are we talking apples to apples or apples to oranges?
Now if you are more of 1v1 guy, I can't really relate because I don't go around ganking people or challenging people to duels and that's about the only way you're going to see a lot of 1v1 encounters. When I get ganked, I lose pretty frequently as mostly the people doing the ganking are geared for it and/or have the advantage on you like getting in the first shot or catching you while you are engaged with another mob or several levels higher than you. I rarely get ganked by people of lower level than me.
I feel player skill will have less an effect in WAr than DAOC .. becuase that what is really causing that 35/65 k/d ratio (little to do with equip) also daoc has some of the easyest competitive armor to aquire of any MMO out there Cox is high also.
Still WAr looks like a pretty forgiving games for noobs, and so far it seems liek itematation it not WoW eleet items route quite the opposed (which will hurt the pbase of WAr because that all most WOW mmoers understand). Still i am happy about it.
Sorry to tell you this but your k/d ratio was the lack of your player skill. You would have to solo all the time to get this also seeign as how your kills are your grousp kills. Thus your soloing .. daoc = not a solo game = you'll get hit by groups of players and take them all on by yourselve and then rightly lose and die. (I feel somehow as 35 / 65 is a troll).
I have a runemaster atm that has green/blue equipment (thast super old)its stats are just nasty (bad).
Like 3 months ago when i was goofing around with different class combos , me and my friend skald took out a 6 man group ... 110% skill. Out side was out numbered atm too (we did that just us 2 vs their 6). We didn't even jump them they mezzed both of us off the bat , my rm doesn't have equip or high RR.
So how the f do i do soo well Skill baby skill, daoc is the best mmo on the market that will let player skill make a differnece that why lower rr people often feel that RR is this giant thing.. when really its the player knowing what they are doing uselikg 2-6 items during the fight ETC.
Still what where your rps .. a nice thign about DAOC is that sometime me and that same friend will be massively out number and still attack why ? easy if we kill just 1 toon with burst dps then we got alot of rp if we kill 2 our k/d ratio stay the same and we get even more rp.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
If you want to be competitive in PvP you dont need to grind anything besides BG, Arenas, and some factions (head and shoulder enchants). The reason not to play? If you want to be in a really good arena team you will have to sacrifice friends for the perfect class make up. You might have to set a schedule with your team (probably not as bad as raiders). It gets really frustrating when half your team isnt on when youre on. It also get frustrating when you have a schedule set up and people constantly fuck it up. For a PvPer there isnt much to do besides arenas. Since you're new you will probably have some fun in BGs for a while (eventually get tired of it and ONLY use it to farm those extra armor pieces). You might raid a town once in a while but it barely happens... When it does many of the enemies usually run away like bitches. The community is horrible. If you love obnoxious kids then I guess it's all good. If not be prepared to look for people you click with and stick with them. You will still see the idiotic shit people talk about in general/trade and sometimes have to deal with them in vent/party/raid. You will also see many variations of nub used. Also the ever so popular L2P. Maybe a stupid chuck norris joke. Lawl and what not. If you find some good friends you can usually deal with all the idiotic shit going on. ATM I havent seen a MMO that I liked more than WoW (my opinion of course). It does piss you off sometimes and can get EXTREMELY REPETITIVE. If you like PvE and PvP I guess theres more variation in what you can do. I personally only PvP aka only do Arena... so yeah... kinda repetitive. Cant wait for a new pvp game to come out .