Them vets just want the game to be failing so they could point at it and yell "see?! see what soe did to the game?!" to anyone who passes by, to justify their constant whining about what used to be, and to try to convert new people to their cruisade.
The game changed, and thats all there is to it. People that play it now play it because they enjoy it. If you don't enjoy it then just don't play it, the rest of the world doesn't give a crap about how soe took away your favorite toy.
(And side note reguarding those screenshots someone posted.. when I played (up to about a week or 2 ago) I would constantly be running into groups of people like that, on different planets. Restuss was constantly active, sometimes all out battles in the middle of the starport. No matter where I went to go adventuring I'd bump into someone, if not many people. Space usually had lots of people at most times too, except in the forced pvp area.. darn carebears who think killing a few npcs make them master pilots.. pff.)
Naa it already did fail, nothing to prove there. You kidding? THIS site alone gave it the worse MMO of the year award and it was so bad I think they may have even pulled that award.
In fact, there is nothing to prove on how bad it was... the whole industry knows it as such, we are just pointing out the obvious most of the time.
I have screen shots of hundreds of people in cities and areas, vs a spot group doing pvp. You did not see people posting to merge servers in the CU or Pre CU I can tell you that much.
_________________________________________________________ lol @ rl_ _ _ shhh... kid gloves must stay on please,the truth may hurt.
Them vets just want the game to be failing so they could point at it and yell "see?! see what soe did to the game?!" to anyone who passes by, to justify their constant whining about what used to be, and to try to convert new people to their cruisade.
The game changed, and thats all there is to it. People that play it now play it because they enjoy it. If you don't enjoy it then just don't play it, the rest of the world doesn't give a crap about how soe took away your favorite toy.
(And side note reguarding those screenshots someone posted.. when I played (up to about a week or 2 ago) I would constantly be running into groups of people like that, on different planets. Restuss was constantly active, sometimes all out battles in the middle of the starport. No matter where I went to go adventuring I'd bump into someone, if not many people. Space usually had lots of people at most times too, except in the forced pvp area.. darn carebears who think killing a few npcs make them master pilots.. pff.)
Really do you blame those Vets?
This is why if SOE wants SWG to live on for a few more years, yes they have to roll the game back to a Pre-CU state or come out with a Classic Server. Untill then you just won't have the Players coming in, some of my real life friends had talked about trying SWG last week, they ended up checking some of the forums and decided to stay away. See where some people just see people upset with a game change, your new Player see's people saying outright "This game sucks, if you download it your wasting your time!" Really the upset Vet is winning, tell the truth if the upset Vets can really get the word out I feel SOE will give in.
Yeah and I know this is coming from a "NGE Fanboi' but I'm so sick of fighting, you guys win Pre-CU FTW....
The populations were really bad when I re-subbed for a month in May... On a Thursday night I found exactly 8 people on Coronet after 3 hours of playing... Flew over to Mos Eisley and 1/2 of the 50 people dueling were AFK spammers...
If people are having fun playing the game then more power to them and good luck with that...
I refuse to play a monthly fee for a single-player RPG, which is all SWG has become.
Smedley likes to talk about "instanced" when discussing gamers... Well, in November of 2005 SOE managed to "instance" their population from 200,000 - 300,000 players to 10,000 in a matter of days... That's an impressive screw-up for ANYONE to hold claim to.
I dont _want_ it to fail, what I want is ppl to stop coming here and proclaiming its a huge succes... because it's not. If you like it, fine, good for you. I mean, I'm not saying they should shut it down coz its a piece of crap, that would be stupid, so just play and enjoy it.
What I am saying is that they lost more then 200k subscriptions and yet ppl come here claiming the game is doing better then ever, when its obviously a f*cking lie
Everyone knows StarWars is huge when it comes to gaming, so then you gotta ask yourself, why oh why does SWG have no more then 100k subs tops (probably including trials and station pass etc)... Ye that's right, its because SOE took a great IP (the greatest?) and made a halfassed game (preCU, personally I think it was great but you have to consider the massive bugs etc) and then turned around and made it into a pile of shit (CU, NGE).
*IF you like it, play it and enjoy yourself by all means, and feel free to come here and say you personally like it in all honesty, but DONT come here trying to tell me its more succesful then ever FFS*
You do realize most people are talking about it's success post NGE. I believe the population did drop big time after it but now it has regained some of it's population back. Not bringing it back to it's initial hay day, of course.
Ye so to sum it up like I said, it's a pile of shit now. Do I mind others enjoying it? No. I wish them all teh joy in the world
I don't think any reasonable person who has played at all pre-CU or (pre-NGE even) can claim this game is a success when weighed against what it was. At the same time, the game has improved over the past couple months that I have been back playing and is showing signs of continued improvement. Population is one area that has improved and there are likely several reasons for this. Not the least of which would be the recent chapter publish with the Beast Master content. This brought a lot of people in, of for no other reason then to satisfy curiosity. Some people will stay, some will go, life goes on.
In the end, people are going to see what they want to see. Either side will (and has) post screen shots. As history shows though, each side will debunk the other sides "proof" becuase of any number of qualifiers that render said "proof" invalid. For just being a game, this is one of those topics neither side will see eye to eye on. Despite what any one person may want, there are plenty of people who seem personally invested in the game failing and they will be quite condemning of anyone who claims if is succeeding. There are those who want the game to succeed who will make every effort to prove their point. Then there are those who fall somewhere in the middle and just enjoy the show. Some play, some don't. Those that play quietly (for the most part) enjoy the experience realizing the whole time that; no matter how loud the voices on any random message board might be, those voices do not directly correlate to that persons in game experience.
In the end, the game is still running, therefore, it is not "dead" (yet). It may not be the game we all remember, but those people still paying to play seem to enjoy it. In the end, that is the main reason to play a game right?
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers. Do something wrong, no one forgets" -from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
Some vets don't realise that the game it alive and going strong (well on the main servers), with people who enjoy what it is now instead of just whining for 2 years about what it used to be
Thousands of players on one or two servers...
And some people don't realize that the infamous Star Wars IP has been bested by a small unknown IP (Eve-Online).
Business 101:
Never lie to, deceive or burn the customer, because the customer will go somewhere else, tell his/her friends and family and not come back.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
What I find so startling is that even many currently playing people are unsatisfied and waiting on something else. Just a glimpse at the official forums shows us this.
Those thousands of players that people are heralding as a signal of a healthy and active game may easily be lured away by something new. As I've said before just imagine what a Starcraft MMO would do to SWG, or even a KotOR MMO.
What I find so startling is that even many currently playing people are unsatisfied and waiting on something else. Just a glimpse at the official forums shows us this. Those thousands of players that people are heralding as a signal of a healthy and active game may easily be lured away by something new. As I've said before just imagine what a Starcraft MMO would do to SWG, or even a KotOR MMO.
Well, Wow puts it to shame in numbers, so yeah... a Starcraft MMO would pretty much just take the few that are left and could fit them on one server.
How crazy is that? I have to WAIT and get in cue in WoW at times if I want to play.
That is stupid...lol
_________________________________________________________ lol @ rl_ _ _ shhh... kid gloves must stay on please,the truth may hurt.
What I find so startling is that even many currently playing people are unsatisfied and waiting on something else. Just a glimpse at the official forums shows us this. Those thousands of players that people are heralding as a signal of a healthy and active game may easily be lured away by something new. As I've said before just imagine what a Starcraft MMO would do to SWG, or even a KotOR MMO.
Starcraft MMO would hurt SWG bad. Kotor MMO would actually END it. I think AoC, WAR, and PoTBS are going to hurt it as well.
It's too late to recover and the game is getting more and more dated by the day. I highly doubt George Lucas is going to sit around and NOT make money off of the online gaming world that has exploded. I can't wait until Infiniity comes out and that is the game I am going to play, but Bioware is making a Kotor MMO and everyone knows it... Ciao SWG.
I mean we can show you guys Proof it still won't change anything. That has been the case time and time again. But here you go some screen shot taken not to long ago. There you go!!!! Not that it matters!!
Sure it matters...
I'd just point out that it also matters how many servers may have stuff like that happen (and how often) compared to the total number of servers.
If anyone can actually convince me that Starsider (where I played) is "crowded"... then I guess I'll admit it matters.
I still remember the day before the CU went live... and that server hasn't even come close to that population EVER again.
Based on some of the angry responses, its obvious players tie together the game's success (or lack of it) with their choice to play SWG. Low population for a player that quit says he was right to leave. While a player that stays looks for evidence that the game is doing well.
Case in point the poster here who says Bria is doing fine etc etc. For him to accept the game is doing poorly would make him feel foolish for playing a failing product. Therefore the mind says things are fine.
Its called denial folks. The game is not doing well no matter what you wish to tell yourself.
There are less than 35,000 players left (and the only reason its that high is due to Station Pass, far fewer play). The player base is only 10% of what it once was.
In terms of MMORPG history, thats the biggest disaster ever.
As a trader I can assure you that there is a lot of people playing. The problem is, old SWG had gathering points like waiting for a shuttle etc. With instant travel and a huge amount of people playing the space game, the ground is often ignored. Also with the vast amount of building (and deeds I have sold) still in place even after the clear out, there are people playing the game.
ehm...BULL SHIT.
There isnt many people playing, and if there now are some who only plays for space, well i guess that says something about the other parts of the game.
Starwars Galaxies, An Empier Diveded, That's what it says on my box anyway.
Based on some of the angry responses, its obvious players tie together the game's success (or lack of it) with their choice to play SWG. Low population for a player that quit says he was right to leave. While a player that stays looks for evidence that the game is doing well. Case in point the poster here who says Bria is doing fine etc etc. For him to accept the game is doing poorly would make him feel foolish for playing a failing product. Therefore the mind says things are fine. Its called denial folks. The game is not doing well no matter what you wish to tell yourself. http://mmogdata.voig.com/ There are less than 35,000 players left (and the only reason its that high is due to Station Pass, far fewer play). The player base is only 10% of what it once was. In terms of MMORPG history, thats the biggest disaster ever.
If we base it on the anger in responses, the angriest responses come from thos who don't play the game, and seem to want the game to fail, and are making claims that people are NOT playing, NOT from the people who are actually playing the game and saying that there has been an increase in players recently.
If your theories are correct about anger, it would appear THOSE are the people in denial.
Now, I don't believe the theory either way, believing different people have different opinions on this and those opinions say nothing about their psychological state, but I'm just taking your theory as far as it will go.
From my observations, there has either been a rather large summer bump, or Chapters 5 & 6 have brought in more players. It has had a similar effect on me, in that now when I click which game I will play, it has been SWG more than the other two.
lol take some screenshots and thats ment to prove anything? I sure as hell didn't see that many people anywhere at one time so musta been a event or something lol.....
I bet thats one guy who bought like 20 accounts pre cu and still keeping them open playing on his pc anyways lol.
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Based on some of the angry responses, its obvious players tie together the game's success (or lack of it) with their choice to play SWG. Low population for a player that quit says he was right to leave. While a player that stays looks for evidence that the game is doing well. Case in point the poster here who says Bria is doing fine etc etc. For him to accept the game is doing poorly would make him feel foolish for playing a failing product. Therefore the mind says things are fine. Its called denial folks. The game is not doing well no matter what you wish to tell yourself. http://mmogdata.voig.com/ There are less than 35,000 players left (and the only reason its that high is due to Station Pass, far fewer play). The player base is only 10% of what it once was. In terms of MMORPG history, thats the biggest disaster ever.
If we base it on the anger in responses, the angriest responses come from thos who don't play the game, and seem to want the game to fail, and are making claims that people are NOT playing, NOT from the people who are actually playing the game and saying that there has been an increase in players recently. If your theories are correct about anger, it would appear THOSE are the people in denial. Now, I don't believe the theory either way, believing different people have different opinions on this and those opinions say nothing about their psychological state, but I'm just taking your theory as far as it will go. From my observations, there has either been a rather large summer bump, or Chapters 5 & 6 have brought in more players. It has had a similar effect on me, in that now when I click which game I will play, it has been SWG more than the other two.
Its not about whos the angriest or opinions, its about subscription numbers...
current : around 80k (including trials and station pass)
peak: some 350k
I dont give a flying f*ck about the game being shut down or not (obviously its not), or if you enjoy it or not. Just dont come here saying its more succesful then ever coz then you're nuffin but a fool
Based on some of the angry responses, its obvious players tie together the game's success (or lack of it) with their choice to play SWG. Low population for a player that quit says he was right to leave. While a player that stays looks for evidence that the game is doing well. Case in point the poster here who says Bria is doing fine etc etc. For him to accept the game is doing poorly would make him feel foolish for playing a failing product. Therefore the mind says things are fine. Its called denial folks. The game is not doing well no matter what you wish to tell yourself. http://mmogdata.voig.com/ There are less than 35,000 players left (and the only reason its that high is due to Station Pass, far fewer play). The player base is only 10% of what it once was. In terms of MMORPG history, thats the biggest disaster ever.
If we base it on the anger in responses, the angriest responses come from thos who don't play the game, and seem to want the game to fail, and are making claims that people are NOT playing, NOT from the people who are actually playing the game and saying that there has been an increase in players recently. If your theories are correct about anger, it would appear THOSE are the people in denial. Now, I don't believe the theory either way, believing different people have different opinions on this and those opinions say nothing about their psychological state, but I'm just taking your theory as far as it will go. From my observations, there has either been a rather large summer bump, or Chapters 5 & 6 have brought in more players. It has had a similar effect on me, in that now when I click which game I will play, it has been SWG more than the other two.
Its not about whos the angriest or opinions, its about subscription numbers...
current : around 80k (including trials and station pass)
peak: some 350k
I dont give a flying f*ck about the game being shut down or not (obviously its not), or if you enjoy it or not. Just dont come here saying its more succesful then ever coz then you're nuffin but a fool
That is a whole nother issue, but has nothing to do with my statement or the post I was answering.
I haven't seen a single post on all these forums that make the (false) claim that the game is more successful than ever -- every one I see is comparing the current level of players to when the NGE was released.
Almost everyone, LA, SOE, and most players agree the NGE was a failure -- that has nothing to do wit the last two Chapters being a relative success. You are simply not reading what most people are writing.
Based on some of the angry responses, its obvious players tie together the game's success (or lack of it) with their choice to play SWG. Low population for a player that quit says he was right to leave. While a player that stays looks for evidence that the game is doing well. Case in point the poster here who says Bria is doing fine etc etc. For him to accept the game is doing poorly would make him feel foolish for playing a failing product. Therefore the mind says things are fine. Its called denial folks. The game is not doing well no matter what you wish to tell yourself. http://mmogdata.voig.com/ There are less than 35,000 players left (and the only reason its that high is due to Station Pass, far fewer play). The player base is only 10% of what it once was. In terms of MMORPG history, thats the biggest disaster ever.
If we base it on the anger in responses, the angriest responses come from thos who don't play the game, and seem to want the game to fail, and are making claims that people are NOT playing, NOT from the people who are actually playing the game and saying that there has been an increase in players recently. If your theories are correct about anger, it would appear THOSE are the people in denial. Now, I don't believe the theory either way, believing different people have different opinions on this and those opinions say nothing about their psychological state, but I'm just taking your theory as far as it will go. From my observations, there has either been a rather large summer bump, or Chapters 5 & 6 have brought in more players. It has had a similar effect on me, in that now when I click which game I will play, it has been SWG more than the other two.
Its not about whos the angriest or opinions, its about subscription numbers...
current : around 80k (including trials and station pass)
peak: some 350k
I dont give a flying f*ck about the game being shut down or not (obviously its not), or if you enjoy it or not. Just dont come here saying its more succesful then ever coz then you're nuffin but a fool
That is a whole nother issue, but has nothing to do with my statement or the post I was answering. I haven't seen a single post on all these forums that make the (false) claim that the game is more successful than ever -- every one I see is comparing the current level of players to when the NGE was released. Almost everyone, LA, SOE, and most players agree the NGE was a failure -- that has nothing to do wit the last two Chapters being a relative success. You are simply not reading what most people are writing.
I guess my question is this...
Why are you coming to the refuge and trying to force your new-found "Fanboi-ism" on us? Why do you feel it necessary to come here and tell us how good the game is now (when I have played recently and it is clearly the same piece of crap it was) and that SOE deserves our money again?
I just don't get it. It's fine if you like it again, that's all you. But why come here and try to force it down our throats?
I don't intend to sound hostile here at all so don't take it that way, I am just curious to your intentions...
That is a whole nother issue, but has nothing to do with my statement or the post I was answering. I haven't seen a single post on all these forums that make the (false) claim that the game is more successful than ever -- every one I see is comparing the current level of players to when the NGE was released. Almost everyone, LA, SOE, and most players agree the NGE was a failure -- that has nothing to do wit the last two Chapters being a relative success. You are simply not reading what most people are writing.
the second post in this thread says "the problem is, old SWG had gathering points like shuttleports", this imo implies that the only reason ppl see so few players nowadays is because there are not as many gathering points... when the truth is there is about 250-300k fewer players. But maybe it's just me
That is a whole nother issue, but has nothing to do with my statement or the post I was answering. I haven't seen a single post on all these forums that make the (false) claim that the game is more successful than ever -- every one I see is comparing the current level of players to when the NGE was released. Almost everyone, LA, SOE, and most players agree the NGE was a failure -- that has nothing to do wit the last two Chapters being a relative success. You are simply not reading what most people are writing.
the second post in this thread says "the problem is, old SWG had gathering points like shuttleports", this imo implies that the only reason ppl see so few players nowadays is because there are not as many gathering points... when the truth is there is about 250-300k fewer players. But maybe it's just me
Like I said, there is a hidden place ALL the players go now called the Outer Rim. They hide from us Vets when we are in-game...
You believe screenshots, that show fewer players than what used to be found in Theed's cantina on one of the lower population servers, are proof that the game is loaded with people? How low are your expectations?
Based on some of the angry responses, its obvious players tie together the game's success (or lack of it) with their choice to play SWG. Low population for a player that quit says he was right to leave. While a player that stays looks for evidence that the game is doing well. Case in point the poster here who says Bria is doing fine etc etc. For him to accept the game is doing poorly would make him feel foolish for playing a failing product. Therefore the mind says things are fine. Its called denial folks. The game is not doing well no matter what you wish to tell yourself. http://mmogdata.voig.com/ There are less than 35,000 players left (and the only reason its that high is due to Station Pass, far fewer play). The player base is only 10% of what it once was. In terms of MMORPG history, thats the biggest disaster ever.
If we base it on the anger in responses, the angriest responses come from thos who don't play the game, and seem to want the game to fail, and are making claims that people are NOT playing, NOT from the people who are actually playing the game and saying that there has been an increase in players recently. If your theories are correct about anger, it would appear THOSE are the people in denial. Now, I don't believe the theory either way, believing different people have different opinions on this and those opinions say nothing about their psychological state, but I'm just taking your theory as far as it will go. From my observations, there has either been a rather large summer bump, or Chapters 5 & 6 have brought in more players. It has had a similar effect on me, in that now when I click which game I will play, it has been SWG more than the other two.
Its not about whos the angriest or opinions, its about subscription numbers...
current : around 80k (including trials and station pass)
peak: some 350k
I dont give a flying f*ck about the game being shut down or not (obviously its not), or if you enjoy it or not. Just dont come here saying its more succesful then ever coz then you're nuffin but a fool
That is a whole nother issue, but has nothing to do with my statement or the post I was answering. I haven't seen a single post on all these forums that make the (false) claim that the game is more successful than ever -- every one I see is comparing the current level of players to when the NGE was released. Almost everyone, LA, SOE, and most players agree the NGE was a failure -- that has nothing to do wit the last two Chapters being a relative success. You are simply not reading what most people are writing.
I guess my question is this...
Why are you coming to the refuge and trying to force your new-found "Fanboi-ism" on us? Why do you feel it necessary to come here and tell us how good the game is now (when I have played recently and it is clearly the same piece of crap it was) and that SOE deserves our money again?
I just don't get it. It's fine if you like it again, that's all you. But why come here and try to force it down our throats?
I don't intend to sound hostile here at all so don't take it that way, I am just curious to your intentions...
So sharing information and opinion with my fellow veterans and pre-CU fans is force? Interesting view of force ya got there.
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In fact, there is nothing to prove on how bad it was... the whole industry knows it as such, we are just pointing out the obvious most of the time.
I have screen shots of hundreds of people in cities and areas, vs a spot group doing pvp. You did not see people posting to merge servers in the CU or Pre CU I can tell you that much.
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lol @ rl_ _ _ shhh... kid gloves must stay on please,the truth may hurt.
umm, whats wrong with people enjoying it? I'm a trial member, and I love it. I think its the best part of the game so far.
Oddly enough SPACE was the only part of the game that was pretty much untouched. lolNot sure thats a good thing or bad ... I too loved space, before the NGE it matched better to the ground game as well.
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lol @ rl_ _ _ shhh... kid gloves must stay on please,the truth may hurt.
This is why if SOE wants SWG to live on for a few more years, yes they have to roll the game back to a Pre-CU state or come out with a Classic Server. Untill then you just won't have the Players coming in, some of my real life friends had talked about trying SWG last week, they ended up checking some of the forums and decided to stay away. See where some people just see people upset with a game change, your new Player see's people saying outright "This game sucks, if you download it your wasting your time!" Really the upset Vet is winning, tell the truth if the upset Vets can really get the word out I feel SOE will give in.
Yeah and I know this is coming from a "NGE Fanboi' but I'm so sick of fighting, you guys win Pre-CU FTW....
The populations were really bad when I re-subbed for a month in May... On a Thursday night I found exactly 8 people on Coronet after 3 hours of playing... Flew over to Mos Eisley and 1/2 of the 50 people dueling were AFK spammers...
If people are having fun playing the game then more power to them and good luck with that...
I refuse to play a monthly fee for a single-player RPG, which is all SWG has become.
Smedley likes to talk about "instanced" when discussing gamers... Well, in November of 2005 SOE managed to "instance" their population from 200,000 - 300,000 players to 10,000 in a matter of days... That's an impressive screw-up for ANYONE to hold claim to.
You do realize most people are talking about it's success post NGE. I believe the population did drop big time after it but now it has regained some of it's population back. Not bringing it back to it's initial hay day, of course.
Ye so to sum it up like I said, it's a pile of shit now. Do I mind others enjoying it? No. I wish them all teh joy in the world
Is it a succes? Hell no.
What part did you not understand m8?
I don't think any reasonable person who has played at all pre-CU or (pre-NGE even) can claim this game is a success when weighed against what it was. At the same time, the game has improved over the past couple months that I have been back playing and is showing signs of continued improvement. Population is one area that has improved and there are likely several reasons for this. Not the least of which would be the recent chapter publish with the Beast Master content. This brought a lot of people in, of for no other reason then to satisfy curiosity. Some people will stay, some will go, life goes on.
In the end, people are going to see what they want to see. Either side will (and has) post screen shots. As history shows though, each side will debunk the other sides "proof" becuase of any number of qualifiers that render said "proof" invalid. For just being a game, this is one of those topics neither side will see eye to eye on. Despite what any one person may want, there are plenty of people who seem personally invested in the game failing and they will be quite condemning of anyone who claims if is succeeding. There are those who want the game to succeed who will make every effort to prove their point. Then there are those who fall somewhere in the middle and just enjoy the show. Some play, some don't. Those that play quietly (for the most part) enjoy the experience realizing the whole time that; no matter how loud the voices on any random message board might be, those voices do not directly correlate to that persons in game experience.
In the end, the game is still running, therefore, it is not "dead" (yet). It may not be the game we all remember, but those people still paying to play seem to enjoy it. In the end, that is the main reason to play a game right?
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers.
Do something wrong, no one forgets"
-from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
And some people don't realize that the infamous Star Wars IP has been bested by a small unknown IP (Eve-Online).
Business 101:
Never lie to, deceive or burn the customer, because the customer will go somewhere else, tell his/her friends and family and not come back.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
What I find so startling is that even many currently playing people are unsatisfied and waiting on something else. Just a glimpse at the official forums shows us this.
Those thousands of players that people are heralding as a signal of a healthy and active game may easily be lured away by something new. As I've said before just imagine what a Starcraft MMO would do to SWG, or even a KotOR MMO.
How crazy is that? I have to WAIT and get in cue in WoW at times if I want to play.
That is stupid...lol
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lol @ rl_ _ _ shhh... kid gloves must stay on please,the truth may hurt.
Starcraft MMO would hurt SWG bad. Kotor MMO would actually END it. I think AoC, WAR, and PoTBS are going to hurt it as well.
It's too late to recover and the game is getting more and more dated by the day. I highly doubt George Lucas is going to sit around and NOT make money off of the online gaming world that has exploded. I can't wait until Infiniity comes out and that is the game I am going to play, but Bioware is making a Kotor MMO and everyone knows it... Ciao SWG.
I'd just point out that it also matters how many servers may have stuff like that happen (and how often) compared to the total number of servers.
If anyone can actually convince me that Starsider (where I played) is "crowded"... then I guess I'll admit it matters.
I still remember the day before the CU went live... and that server hasn't even come close to that population EVER again.
Is that what base clubbing looks like?
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Based on some of the angry responses, its obvious players tie together the game's success (or lack of it) with their choice to play SWG. Low population for a player that quit says he was right to leave. While a player that stays looks for evidence that the game is doing well.
Case in point the poster here who says Bria is doing fine etc etc. For him to accept the game is doing poorly would make him feel foolish for playing a failing product. Therefore the mind says things are fine.
Its called denial folks. The game is not doing well no matter what you wish to tell yourself.
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There are less than 35,000 players left (and the only reason its that high is due to Station Pass, far fewer play). The player base is only 10% of what it once was.
In terms of MMORPG history, thats the biggest disaster ever.
ehm...BULL SHIT.
There isnt many people playing, and if there now are some who only plays for space, well i guess that says something about the other parts of the game.
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If we base it on the anger in responses, the angriest responses come from thos who don't play the game, and seem to want the game to fail, and are making claims that people are NOT playing, NOT from the people who are actually playing the game and saying that there has been an increase in players recently.
If your theories are correct about anger, it would appear THOSE are the people in denial.
Now, I don't believe the theory either way, believing different people have different opinions on this and those opinions say nothing about their psychological state, but I'm just taking your theory as far as it will go.
From my observations, there has either been a rather large summer bump, or Chapters 5 & 6 have brought in more players. It has had a similar effect on me, in that now when I click which game I will play, it has been SWG more than the other two.
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lol take some screenshots and thats ment to prove anything? I sure as hell didn't see that many people anywhere at one time so musta been a event or something lol.....
I bet thats one guy who bought like 20 accounts pre cu and still keeping them open playing on his pc anyways lol.
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Its not about whos the angriest or opinions, its about subscription numbers...
current : around 80k (including trials and station pass)
peak: some 350k
I dont give a flying f*ck about the game being shut down or not (obviously its not), or if you enjoy it or not. Just dont come here saying its more succesful then ever coz then you're nuffin but a fool
Its not about whos the angriest or opinions, its about subscription numbers...
current : around 80k (including trials and station pass)
peak: some 350k
I dont give a flying f*ck about the game being shut down or not (obviously its not), or if you enjoy it or not. Just dont come here saying its more succesful then ever coz then you're nuffin but a fool
That is a whole nother issue, but has nothing to do with my statement or the post I was answering.
I haven't seen a single post on all these forums that make the (false) claim that the game is more successful than ever -- every one I see is comparing the current level of players to when the NGE was released.
Almost everyone, LA, SOE, and most players agree the NGE was a failure -- that has nothing to do wit the last two Chapters being a relative success. You are simply not reading what most people are writing.
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If we base it on the anger in responses, the angriest responses come from thos who don't play the game, and seem to want the game to fail, and are making claims that people are NOT playing, NOT from the people who are actually playing the game and saying that there has been an increase in players recently. If your theories are correct about anger, it would appear THOSE are the people in denial. Now, I don't believe the theory either way, believing different people have different opinions on this and those opinions say nothing about their psychological state, but I'm just taking your theory as far as it will go. From my observations, there has either been a rather large summer bump, or Chapters 5 & 6 have brought in more players. It has had a similar effect on me, in that now when I click which game I will play, it has been SWG more than the other two.Its not about whos the angriest or opinions, its about subscription numbers...
current : around 80k (including trials and station pass)
peak: some 350k
I dont give a flying f*ck about the game being shut down or not (obviously its not), or if you enjoy it or not. Just dont come here saying its more succesful then ever coz then you're nuffin but a fool
That is a whole nother issue, but has nothing to do with my statement or the post I was answering. I haven't seen a single post on all these forums that make the (false) claim that the game is more successful than ever -- every one I see is comparing the current level of players to when the NGE was released. Almost everyone, LA, SOE, and most players agree the NGE was a failure -- that has nothing to do wit the last two Chapters being a relative success. You are simply not reading what most people are writing.
I guess my question is this...
Why are you coming to the refuge and trying to force your new-found "Fanboi-ism" on us? Why do you feel it necessary to come here and tell us how good the game is now (when I have played recently and it is clearly the same piece of crap it was) and that SOE deserves our money again?
I just don't get it. It's fine if you like it again, that's all you. But why come here and try to force it down our throats?
I don't intend to sound hostile here at all so don't take it that way, I am just curious to your intentions...
the second post in this thread says "the problem is, old SWG had gathering points like shuttleports", this imo implies that the only reason ppl see so few players nowadays is because there are not as many gathering points... when the truth is there is about 250-300k fewer players. But maybe it's just me
the second post in this thread says "the problem is, old SWG had gathering points like shuttleports", this imo implies that the only reason ppl see so few players nowadays is because there are not as many gathering points... when the truth is there is about 250-300k fewer players. But maybe it's just me
Like I said, there is a hidden place ALL the players go now called the Outer Rim. They hide from us Vets when we are in-game...
You believe screenshots, that show fewer players than what used to be found in Theed's cantina on one of the lower population servers, are proof that the game is loaded with people? How low are your expectations?
Its not about whos the angriest or opinions, its about subscription numbers...
current : around 80k (including trials and station pass)
peak: some 350k
I dont give a flying f*ck about the game being shut down or not (obviously its not), or if you enjoy it or not. Just dont come here saying its more succesful then ever coz then you're nuffin but a fool
That is a whole nother issue, but has nothing to do with my statement or the post I was answering. I haven't seen a single post on all these forums that make the (false) claim that the game is more successful than ever -- every one I see is comparing the current level of players to when the NGE was released. Almost everyone, LA, SOE, and most players agree the NGE was a failure -- that has nothing to do wit the last two Chapters being a relative success. You are simply not reading what most people are writing.
I guess my question is this...
Why are you coming to the refuge and trying to force your new-found "Fanboi-ism" on us? Why do you feel it necessary to come here and tell us how good the game is now (when I have played recently and it is clearly the same piece of crap it was) and that SOE deserves our money again?
I just don't get it. It's fine if you like it again, that's all you. But why come here and try to force it down our throats?
I don't intend to sound hostile here at all so don't take it that way, I am just curious to your intentions...
So sharing information and opinion with my fellow veterans and pre-CU fans is force? Interesting view of force ya got there.
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Those are mostly restus screenshots (one of the games real batlegrounds), Not main gathering point like mos eisley. So its really not the same.
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