Well here is what i saw.They made melee useful.They added content.They are actually trying!
But the jedi thang has taken the game to such a state i doubt its worth the $15 a month at all.
All those intrested in a SW universie have gone and all that are left is jedi wannabes.I doubt anything they do will bring this crowd back as they all moved back to old games ,trying newer games like CoH and L2 or simply waiting for EQ2 and the likes.
So personally the space exapnsion will not keep me from hitting the cancel sub button in a week's time for the second time.And no i will not be back for the expansion.
Originally posted by hercules All those intrested in a SW universie have gone and all that are left is jedi wannabes.I doubt anything they do will bring this crowd back as they all moved back to old games
That is simply untrue
I am involved in one PA (80 current members who are on regularly) and we associate with about 5 other PAs and out of those 300 some people only three that I know want to be a Jedi (and they're not macroing AFK like mad to obtain it either. So that argument is very flawed. Yes there a people who want to be a Jedi but nothing like you're stating
Also, I was part of this "crowd" you speak of who left. I came back because of the good changes. Many other old faces have come back also. I've talked to about 20 to 50 players a week day and over 70 a weekend who were the beta players (like me) who came back and like the changes.
Also, the cantinas are full once again with present people at the keyboard as entertainers. The game is picking up life once more and about 8 out of 10 people I have talked to who is doing the free 14 day trial will be buying the game.
They said FFXI and they said COH and they said L2 and other mmorpgs will eventually turn SWG into an Earth and Beyond mmorpg. Those theories were wrong (I, myself, said the same things against SWG).
Also the expansion is like an entirely different game. Unlike other mmorpgs where they "expand" their univers with terrain, skills, items, and etc, the DEVs here actually recreated and entirely different code...its like playing two different games in one
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
I will also disagree with the statement that the only remaining SWG players are those who wish to become Jedi Knights. I have little interest in becoming a Jedi and doubt that I ever will.
Its a Shame, Lucas either doesnt care or have a clue.
FIX THE GAME BEFORE ADDING ON!!!!!
Crazy thing about the whole SOE is ...Im Not Surprized. See my sister worked for Sony in there help center.(NA) They do the Same thing. When she left they had a program that was soo messed up, thier training was 5 weeks... 3 weeks to understand there 8 year old SYS that had become a monster. In other terms Bug City. (INSTEAD OF FIXING THEY LAYERED, ADDED)
She went to work for another tech sweat house and there the work was 3 times as intense. Training = 4 Days SYS training.
SWG is a great game! Fix It! Before Adding a Laggy Zone to zone Space exp.
First off, SOE lied to us again (gee what a surprise) by first telling us it would be out shortly after release of the game. Hmm, almost a year as passed and still no pack.
You are incorrect. The SWG game DEVs (NOT SOE which is in charge of EQ, EQ2, PS, and SWG) only gave 1 release date for the SE. And it was that it would be 1 year after the original release of the game. Technically that would be the first week of July 2004.
Next, the majority of SWG fans would rather the SE gets delayed, held back, and postponed, for another YEAR than to see it get released a-la Anarchy Online style. If you can't live with not playing the SE right now, or next month, then buy Freelancer, or X-Wing vs Tie..... to hold you over.
*more later when I have the time*
[OK I'm back...]
Second, devs said more planets were in the works along with professions. What do we get, no planets and one lousy profession (pilot)
The SWG game DEVs have said more planets are a possibility. In other words, the ideas, detailed plans, are still being thought about and are not set in stone. Browse the old DEV threads about the thought process they go through when planning EACH new planet. There are roughly 8-16 steps.
And Pilot might be a lousy profession to you, and it is fine if you dislike it. But 200,000 players have a different opinion than you do. BTW, it's a profession ment to compliment the SE.
If I want to be a space pilot I'll go play X-Wing. Space zones, what kind of crap is that ? We all had dreams of flying over Endor with our ships. The zooming off to Hoth or Dagobah. Or maybe starting our own ferry service. How about the smugglers who dreamed of actually getting to smuggle goods on their ships ? All dead dreams thanks to soe. Instead we end up with zones for griefers and prepubsecent punks to get their jollies in.
1. Then go play X-Wing vs Tie. Go play Freelancer. Who is stopping you? That is the ONLY line that should have been your entire post. You seem to be saying you hate the idea of SWG having spaceships. "Oh no another Star Wars game with spaceships! I want to play only the older SW games with spaceships!". Then play the older SW games that have spaceships. Stop wasting your own time bashing the SWG SE for absolutly nooo reason!
2. Hoth and Dagobah have NEVER EVER been a definate go. It was known LONG ago. Again, if you were a true SWG fan, you would browse the OLD DEV posts. You would be aware of the incredibly detailed posts they made about the special formula aka 8-16 steps each planet must go through in order to be considered. The DEVs specifically mentioned Dagobah never had a chance of passing their criteria to be considered. Hoth made it halfway through. If enough SWG fans were to petition the game DEVs, then maybe, maybe they would look at Hoth again.
3. With the SE, it really WILL be possible for Smugglers to smuggle. And maybe for players to have their own "space taxi" service. ALSO become freekin invovled in the solution to the problems! Post your ideas on how to make the SE nice. Post your ideas on how to make the SE fun. That is called constructive criticism. You call attention to the problems AND then call attention to what you think are some ideas for the solutions. The SE is not finnished yet - still time for you to try to influence its outcome by posting on the official SWG forums. Last, just like in real life if you want your points to be heard post in a mannerable way. You don't like to be cussed at, called names, etc... neither do the DEVs or other posters. It does not matter how nice your ideas are if no one hears them. Post your ideas in numerical steps, without cussing, namecalling, spamming, and you increase the chances of them being looked at.
4. The best games, the best RPGs, the best MMORPGs are all about having many choices on how to play. PvP is PART of having many choices. SWG has incredible PvP choices. You declare yourself overt and can hunt anyone down anywhere - no freekin place is safe for them... of course they can do the same to you too heheh. It would be NICE if the SE were the same way! Heck, SWG is made for SW fans first. Space in the SW movies was mostly about battles. PvP will most definatly be part of the SE - and SHOULD BE!
5. Griefing is NOT the same as PvP. Griefing is taking advantage of bad game mechanics to make it unfun for other players to play. Using the game in an unintended way. You may not like PvP, no problem. But calling players who engage in PvP names does not make you look any better than them.
This game was advertised by SOE as casual gamer friendly (anyone remember that). Now all we see is SOE playing to powergamers by releasing dungeon after stupid dungeon in a vain attempt to keep thos powergamers happy with something to camp for a few weeks. How about fixing the Gungan Sacred place SOE ? Its been broken for a year now. Nope, gotta add a dungeon so powergamers don't quit like everyone else already has.
Bye Bye SOE, you've seen the last of my dollars ever again.
Again, SWG is about having as many playstyle choices as possible. And yes it STILL is casual gamer friendly. But the SWG game DEVs have found out there IS a sizeable powergamer population. If you do not like to powergame, then don't! If you do not llike the new dungeons, then do not go to them! That is what choice is about! Pick what you like and want to do, and do it. I don't like hardcore PvP, so I mostly play as Neutral. Choices! I have friends who luvvv PvP so they choose to remain Overt 100% of the time all the time! Choices!
In SWG casual gamers who have 1-3 hours free time to play can so play SWG and still get something done. UNLIKE powergames like EQ which require 30 mins of downtime after spending 5 mins fighting LOL! EQ leans heavily towards powergamers. SWG still leans heavily towards casual gamers. Can casual gamers still play EQ? Yes. Can powergamers still play SWG? Yes.
If you never play any SONY game ever again just because you dislike SWG having a Space Expansion then no problem. SWG IS a success and will continue to be a success without you. IMHO though, don't buy/make a spaceship LOL! Remain on planet if you dislike the SE sooo much.
Originally posted by Koronus They did say the space expansion would be out soon after release, but they also said the game was going to be released in 2002
Absolutly F-A-L-S-E!
The SWG game DEVs made a brutal post aimed at rumormongers about when the release date would be. The gist of what they said was do NOT go by what other sites say. There is only one official SWG site. They would release the game when it gets released. No exact date was given until 3 months before release. Then SWG on purpose got held back for 3 months after the Beta testers AND the SWG game DEVs theirselves petitioned SONY to hold the game back.
Only ONE date for the release of the SE was ever given. Which was that it would get released 1 year after release of the original game. As I stated in an above post, true SWG fans will NOT want the SE to get released if it is incomplete, or needs more work. True SWG fans will want the SE to get held back at lease another year to make sure it releases smoothly. If you or others are toooo impatient, now is a nice time to work on learning patiences - it's a nice life skill to have! And also play other fun bestselling space games to hold you over. Or just plain do other things with your life while you wait.
Why would SOE worry about the space expansion and ensure that it is bug free before release, when as you quote SWG has 200-300k subscribers still playing with bugs present since day 1?
I have serious misgivings about the expansion, reasons...
It seems to me that there will be two distinct genres competing in the same game. Which part will dev's concentrate on? Which one will get the most fix's, nerfs and work?
I can see the SWG mechanics regarding faction coming into play and x-wings and tie fighters being bought with faction xp and only flyable while overt....hope this isn't the case!
Why would SOE worry about the space expansion and ensure that it is bug free before release, when as you quote SWG has 200-300k subscribers still playing with bugs present since day 1?
That is where you, me, and every one comes it. Post on the offficial SWG forums. Keep lighting a fire under the game DEVs. Let them know you will be very annoyed if they release the SE before it is ready. Tell them to hold it back as long as needed to make sure it works. I personally got invovled before SWG itself released by making petitions on the official site and getting hundreds to thousands of SWG fans to sign it getting the game DEVs attention.
I have serious misgivings about the expansion, reasons...
It seems to me that there will be two distinct genres competing in the same game. Which part will dev's concentrate on? Which one will get the most fix's, nerfs and work?
It is still one game. Look at EQ. There is the "land game" and the "space game" aka the realm with the gods and elements. Look at AO. There is litterally two demensions. As long as SWG is making enough money it will be able to have enough personel to cover the "land game" and "space game". The real problem IMHO is the management. SWG managment needs to learn how and what to focus DEV resources on. Drop Jedi. Drop "fluff content" aka for example when they did work to allow male characters to be able to show their bare chest meanwhile all characters were still sliding off chairs if they sit down too long.
I can see the SWG mechanics regarding faction coming into play and x-wings and tie fighters being bought with faction xp and only flyable while overt....hope this isn't the case!
Anyone will be able to fly an X-Wing. Also there will be many other ships other than Ties and X-Wings. Remember SWG must get the ok for everything from Lucas and his company first. According to Star Wars cannon and lore, anyone was able to own an X-Wing, 80% of all X-Wings were owned by the Rebels. As there are many cases of non-Rebels and ex-Rebels owning them. Though it was easiest for the Rebels to get them.
It was near impossible for anyone to own and fly a Tie. 99.9999% of all Ties were own by the Empire.
So it is very likely faction only players will be able to get a Tie. While anyone can get an X-Wing.
There are many other ships also. Like the Z-95 Headhunter, B-Wing (my favorite), as well as the Corellian Corvette, YT-Freighter, etc... etc...
Reading about the space expansion i came across "certain ships will be only available to certain ranks". It does appear to me faction points and rank will come into play. I bet the b-wing will be what i call the "novice reb ship" and x-wing being "colonel rank"
So much of SWG is "broken" atm i cannot see how can they give time and resources over to the SE. Combat is a big gripe of mine atm. While stuck in a room at the Geo cave yesterday while waiting for our mate to relog (bug meant he couldn't enter any room), my commando friend and i suffered a torrent of abuse and p!ss taking as he was a swordsman and he outdamaged the both of us while his mate sat there laughing saying "this is some funny sh!t".
Originally posted by panache Explor, Reading about the space expansion i came across "certain ships will be only available to certain ranks". It does appear to me faction points and rank will come into play. I bet the b-wing will be what i call the "novice reb ship" and x-wing being "colonel rank" So much of SWG is "broken" atm i cannot see how can they give time and resources over to the SE. Combat is a big gripe of mine atm. While stuck in a room at the Geo cave yesterday while waiting for our mate to relog (bug meant he couldn't enter any room), my commando friend and i suffered a torrent of abuse and p!ss taking as he was a swordsman and he outdamaged the both of us while his mate sat there laughing saying "this is some funny sh!t". great ain't it!
Panache,
You do realize that the jerks play all these types of games. The very things that are happening to you now in SWG will also happen to you in EQ2, WoW, and all the other games slated for release in the future. They also probably happened to you in UO, EQ, AC1, AC2, AO, and DAoC if you played any of those games. Jerks are the common denominator in these games and until someone figures out how to exclude them from playing, they will always be around to reduce others enjoyment.
You do realize that the jerks play all these types of games. The very things that are happening to you now in SWG will also happen to you in EQ2, WoW, and all the other games slated for release in the future. They also probably happened to you in UO, EQ, AC1, AC2, AO, and DAoC if you played any of those games. Jerks are the common denominator in these games and until someone figures out how to exclude them from playing, they will always be around to reduce others enjoyment.
Sad but true.
-Hrnac
Hrnac. I played Asherons Call for 12 months. The community helped one another, even with harzardous corpse recoveries. I played Daoc for 2 years and never encountered the griefing that takes place on SWG. A caster on Daoc wouldn't last 2 hits without his armsman to protect him, a armsman wouldn't be able to fight without a paladins endurance chant, a light tank or scout wouldn't last without a clerics buffs.
Hope none of these guys try WoW or anything else. SOE please introduce more loot for uber templates...maybe that way they will stay with SWG after acumalating items they don't want to give up.
For what is it worth, my memory keeps bringing up that the expansion was supose to be released 9 months after the release of the game. I was in beta 3, I was following it closely at that time.
However I am not aware with its rushed release and major problems therein, and perhaps even when Ralph Koster was moved up in the corporate chain where he no longer directly ran SWG if all that pushed back the release of the expansion.
Originally posted by Koronus They did say the space expansion would be out soon after release, but they also said the game was going to be released in 2002
Absolutly F-A-L-S-E!
The SWG game DEVs made a brutal post aimed at rumormongers about when the release date would be. The gist of what they said was do NOT go by what other sites say. There is only one official SWG site. They would release the game when it gets released. No exact date was given until 3 months before release. Then SWG on purpose got held back for 3 months after the Beta testers AND the SWG game DEVs theirselves petitioned SONY to hold the game back.
Only ONE date for the release of the SE was ever given. Which was that it would get released 1 year after release of the original game. As I stated in an above post, true SWG fans will NOT want the SE to get released if it is incomplete, or needs more work. True SWG fans will want the SE to get held back at lease another year to make sure it releases smoothly. If you or others are toooo impatient, now is a nice time to work on learning patiences -
Xplororor, you confuse me
The only brutal response the SWG game DEVs made about SWG was its release date coming so quickly.
There was no exact date for release, at the time they gave what two or three weeks notice that it was going to be released to all the beta 3 testers. Everyone on the boards was aghast that it was going to be released in the condition it was in. You are in correct in stating they gave an exact date upon its release 3 months before it was actually released.
You are also very incorrect in saying that SWG on purpose got held back for 3 months after the beta testers and the SWG game Devs petitioned SONY To hold the game back... That is flat out incorrect. Ther was no petition by the players nor in any way working in cohesive effort with teh Game DEVS to postpone the games release. The players got all their information from the Game Devs, There was no contact with Sony itself.
Your statements about 'true SWG fans will NOT want the SE to get released if it is incmplete, or needs more work.' I'm sorry but what kind of statement is that as well, you speak about true SWG fans as if they are some mythical voting body of people who actually have influence, its merely fans who post a lot, and Sony, nor the SWG developers are really swayed by any body of players/fans stating 'true SWG fans' is merely some colored water you've mixed up to make them seem important.
Stop insulting other players by telling them whether to learn patience or not, you are making yourself out to be better than other people and its rude and lessens any importance your words might have in influencing people into believing whatever you may speak about.
The SWG game DEVs made a brutal post aimed at rumormongers about when the release date would be. The gist of what they said was do NOT go by what other sites say. There is only one official SWG site. They would release the game when it gets released. No exact date was given until 3 months before release. Then SWG on purpose got held back for 3 months after the Beta testers AND the SWG game DEVs theirselves petitioned SONY to hold the game back.
Only ONE date for the release of the SE was ever given. Which was that it would get released 1 year after release of the original game. As I stated in an above post, true SWG fans will NOT want the SE to get released if it is incomplete, or needs more work. True SWG fans will want the SE to get held back at lease another year to make sure it releases smoothly. If you or others are toooo impatient, now is a nice time to work on learning patiences -
Xplororor, you confuse me
The only brutal response the SWG game DEVs made about SWG was its release date coming so quickly.
There was no exact date for release, at the time they gave what two or three weeks notice that it was going to be released to all the beta 3 testers. Everyone on the boards was aghast that it was going to be released in the condition it was in. You are in correct in stating they gave an exact date upon its release 3 months before it was actually released.
It looks like we are in full agree ment here. No confusion.
You are also very incorrect in saying that SWG on purpose got held back for 3 months after the beta testers and the SWG game Devs petitioned SONY To hold the game back... That is flat out incorrect. Ther was no petition by the players nor in any way working in cohesive effort with teh Game DEVS to postpone the games release. The players got all their information from the Game Devs, There was no contact with Sony itself.
Raph Koster, and other SWG game DEVs posted on the official SWG site and forums (which are different area than the beta forums) that they did NOT want SWG to get released but instead held back. The SWG fans then jumped on that as further absolute, blatant proof SWG was not ready for released. The SWG fans, including me, and many other well known forum posters, made many petitions in the SWG forums getting hundreds of other fans to sign..... with the stamp of approval from the SWG game DEVs. This led to SWG getting held back 3 months past the first annonced release date.
- The release date for SWG is annonced 3 months before release.
- The SWG beta testers post that the game is looking nice but is not 100% ready for release.
- The SWG game DEVs theirselves also post the game is not ready for release. And that it is SONY that is pushing for a tooo soon release.
- The SWG game fans then make and sign petitions showing tons of support for SWG to get delayed.
- SWG gets held back 3 months more than the official release date made by SONY. SWG gets released the start of July 2003. (Technically during the last week of June 2003.)
Your statements about 'true SWG fans will NOT want the SE to get released if it is incmplete, or needs more work.' I'm sorry but what kind of statement is that as well, you speak about true SWG fans as if they are some mythical voting body of people who actually have influence, its merely fans who post a lot, and Sony, nor the SWG developers are really swayed by any body of players/fans stating 'true SWG fans' is merely some colored water you've mixed up to make them seem important.
I made that statement based on what I myself saw and experienced in the Old official SWG forums, to some extend on the new SWG forums, from talking to the well known SWG forum posters, and from my personal experiences with the SWG game DEVs and MODs theirselves (playing vs me and other fans in Cosmic Rift, as well as email correspondence with them.).
True SWG fans are not a myth LOL! They have been in existance for a solid 3 years. Go to Blades Battlestation and look at the insane amounts of fan/player PAs listed. Go to the official SWG forums and check out the forums for each server and look at the tons of player PAs listed for each server at the top of each individuale server forum. Go to SlicerHQ.com and browse the many active SWG threads. It is more than fans who "post alot". It is fans who post constructive criticism.
And I am sorry to inform you, but the SWG game DEVs have many times been swayed by true SWG fans who post constructive criticism. I am one of those fans who have directly swayed them, and so are tons of others. The examples are recorded at SlicerHQ.com, and other fan sites. Also on the old official SWG forms (you might need the Way Back machine to find the records.) TriForcer, Krigg, Sang, Lea4Loot, virtually 50% of all the Beta testers, as well as all the well known poster names on the old official SWG game development forums have been directly answered by the game devs in the forums, and also in the official monthly chats. "That is a nice idea, done!" as they put it in the game, and/or change a certain game mechanic.
The name of the game is constructive criticism. Identifying the problem, then posting ideas for a solution or solutions - without name calling, cussing, spamming. One can have the nicest idea in the world but no one will ever listen to it if you call them names or show a lack of emotional control.
Here we are at present time with the SE 2 months to 12 months away. It is still possible for players and SWG fans to influence the outcome and release of the SE by posting constructive criticism on the official SWG forums at station.com
Stop insulting other players by telling them whether to learn patience or not, you are making yourself out to be better than other people and its rude and lessens any importance your words might have in influencing people into believing whatever you may speak about.
Telling others to be patient is an insult?
"*whine* I want to play the SE right now!"
"*Whine* the SE suxxors! They let me play it right now and it's not finnished and full of bugs! *proceeds to post over and over bashing the SE"
If you feel I'm trying to make my self feel better or look better by telling others to be patient, then you are wrong. I am simply stating and making a point. Supposivly they want to play the SE because they LIKE SWG? Right or wrong? Then if they like SWG they will want the SE to be as nice as possible right or wrong? If they want the SE to be as nice as possible then they should be more than willing to be patient and wait until it is ready to be played right or wrong?
Or are they hoping the SE gets released earlier than it should? Or are they hoping the SE will get released before it is ready to be played? Or are they hoping they will then have more things about SWG to bash bash bash bash bash because they enjoy bashing SWG?
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Well here is what i saw.They made melee useful.They added content.They are actually trying!
But the jedi thang has taken the game to such a state i doubt its worth the $15 a month at all.
All those intrested in a SW universie have gone and all that are left is jedi wannabes.I doubt anything they do will bring this crowd back as they all moved back to old games ,trying newer games like CoH and L2 or simply waiting for EQ2 and the likes.
So personally the space exapnsion will not keep me from hitting the cancel sub button in a week's time for the second time.And no i will not be back for the expansion.
That is simply untrue
I am involved in one PA (80 current members who are on regularly) and we associate with about 5 other PAs and out of those 300 some people only three that I know want to be a Jedi (and they're not macroing AFK like mad to obtain it either. So that argument is very flawed. Yes there a people who want to be a Jedi but nothing like you're stating
Also, I was part of this "crowd" you speak of who left. I came back because of the good changes. Many other old faces have come back also. I've talked to about 20 to 50 players a week day and over 70 a weekend who were the beta players (like me) who came back and like the changes.
Also, the cantinas are full once again with present people at the keyboard as entertainers. The game is picking up life once more and about 8 out of 10 people I have talked to who is doing the free 14 day trial will be buying the game.
They said FFXI and they said COH and they said L2 and other mmorpgs will eventually turn SWG into an Earth and Beyond mmorpg. Those theories were wrong (I, myself, said the same things against SWG).
Also the expansion is like an entirely different game. Unlike other mmorpgs where they "expand" their univers with terrain, skills, items, and etc, the DEVs here actually recreated and entirely different code...its like playing two different games in one
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
I will also disagree with the statement that the only remaining SWG players are those who wish to become Jedi Knights. I have little interest in becoming a Jedi and doubt that I ever will.
-Hrnac
My 2 accounts, Gone. ( allmost a year)
True StarWars Dream, Poof! ( Childhood dream)
Its a Shame, Lucas either doesnt care or have a clue.
FIX THE GAME BEFORE ADDING ON!!!!!
Crazy thing about the whole SOE is ...Im Not Surprized.
See my sister worked for Sony in there help center.(NA)
They do the Same thing. When she left they had a program
that was soo messed up, thier training was 5 weeks... 3 weeks
to understand there 8 year old SYS that had become a monster.
In other terms Bug City.
(INSTEAD OF FIXING THEY LAYERED, ADDED)
She went to work for another tech sweat house and there the work was
3 times as intense. Training = 4 Days SYS training.
SWG is a great game! Fix It! Before Adding a Laggy Zone to zone Space exp.
Edward Wong Hao Pepelu Tivrusky the 4th
lol
you had me until u came up with that line
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
Again, SWG is about having as many playstyle choices as possible. And yes it STILL is casual gamer friendly. But the SWG game DEVs have found out there IS a sizeable powergamer population. If you do not like to powergame, then don't! If you do not llike the new dungeons, then do not go to them! That is what choice is about! Pick what you like and want to do, and do it. I don't like hardcore PvP, so I mostly play as Neutral. Choices! I have friends who luvvv PvP so they choose to remain Overt 100% of the time all the time! Choices!
In SWG casual gamers who have 1-3 hours free time to play can so play SWG and still get something done. UNLIKE powergames like EQ which require 30 mins of downtime after spending 5 mins fighting LOL! EQ leans heavily towards powergamers. SWG still leans heavily towards casual gamers. Can casual gamers still play EQ? Yes. Can powergamers still play SWG? Yes.
If you never play any SONY game ever again just because you dislike SWG having a Space Expansion then no problem. SWG IS a success and will continue to be a success without you. IMHO though, don't buy/make a spaceship LOL! Remain on planet if you dislike the SE sooo much.
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Absolutly F-A-L-S-E!
The SWG game DEVs made a brutal post aimed at rumormongers about when the release date would be. The gist of what they said was do NOT go by what other sites say. There is only one official SWG site. They would release the game when it gets released. No exact date was given until 3 months before release. Then SWG on purpose got held back for 3 months after the Beta testers AND the SWG game DEVs theirselves petitioned SONY to hold the game back.
Only ONE date for the release of the SE was ever given. Which was that it would get released 1 year after release of the original game. As I stated in an above post, true SWG fans will NOT want the SE to get released if it is incomplete, or needs more work. True SWG fans will want the SE to get held back at lease another year to make sure it releases smoothly. If you or others are toooo impatient, now is a nice time to work on learning patiences - it's a nice life skill to have!
And also play other fun bestselling space games to hold you over. Or just plain do other things with your life while you wait. 
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Exploror...
Why would SOE worry about the space expansion and ensure that it is bug free before release, when as you quote SWG has 200-300k subscribers still playing with bugs present since day 1?
I have serious misgivings about the expansion, reasons...
It seems to me that there will be two distinct genres competing in the same game. Which part will dev's concentrate on? Which one will get the most fix's, nerfs and work?
I can see the SWG mechanics regarding faction coming into play and x-wings and tie fighters being bought with faction xp and only flyable while overt....hope this isn't the case!
Pan
Anyone will be able to fly an X-Wing. Also there will be many other ships other than Ties and X-Wings. Remember SWG must get the ok for everything from Lucas and his company first. According to Star Wars cannon and lore, anyone was able to own an X-Wing, 80% of all X-Wings were owned by the Rebels. As there are many cases of non-Rebels and ex-Rebels owning them. Though it was easiest for the Rebels to get them.
It was near impossible for anyone to own and fly a Tie. 99.9999% of all Ties were own by the Empire.
So it is very likely faction only players will be able to get a Tie. While anyone can get an X-Wing.
There are many other ships also. Like the Z-95 Headhunter, B-Wing (my favorite), as well as the Corellian Corvette, YT-Freighter, etc... etc...
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Explor,
Reading about the space expansion i came across "certain ships will be only available to certain ranks". It does appear to me faction points and rank will come into play. I bet the b-wing will be what i call the "novice reb ship" and x-wing being "colonel rank"
So much of SWG is "broken" atm i cannot see how can they give time and resources over to the SE. Combat is a big gripe of mine atm. While stuck in a room at the Geo cave yesterday while waiting for our mate to relog (bug meant he couldn't enter any room), my commando friend and i suffered a torrent of abuse and p!ss taking as he was a swordsman and he outdamaged the both of us while his mate sat there laughing saying "this is some funny sh!t".
great ain't it!
Pan
Panache,
You do realize that the jerks play all these types of games. The very things that are happening to you now in SWG will also happen to you in EQ2, WoW, and all the other games slated for release in the future. They also probably happened to you in UO, EQ, AC1, AC2, AO, and DAoC if you played any of those games. Jerks are the common denominator in these games and until someone figures out how to exclude them from playing, they will always be around to reduce others enjoyment.
Sad but true.
-Hrnac
Panache,
You do realize that the jerks play all these types of games. The very things that are happening to you now in SWG will also happen to you in EQ2, WoW, and all the other games slated for release in the future. They also probably happened to you in UO, EQ, AC1, AC2, AO, and DAoC if you played any of those games. Jerks are the common denominator in these games and until someone figures out how to exclude them from playing, they will always be around to reduce others enjoyment.
Sad but true.
-Hrnac
Hrnac. I played Asherons Call for 12 months. The community helped one another, even with harzardous corpse recoveries. I played Daoc for 2 years and never encountered the griefing that takes place on SWG. A caster on Daoc wouldn't last 2 hits without his armsman to protect him, a armsman wouldn't be able to fight without a paladins endurance chant, a light tank or scout wouldn't last without a clerics buffs.
Hope none of these guys try WoW or anything else. SOE please introduce more loot for uber templates...maybe that way they will stay with SWG after acumalating items they don't want to give up.
Pan
For what is it worth, my memory keeps bringing up that the expansion was supose to be released 9 months after the release of the game. I was in beta 3, I was following it closely at that time.
However I am not aware with its rushed release and major problems therein, and perhaps even when Ralph Koster was moved up in the corporate chain where he no longer directly ran SWG if all that pushed back the release of the expansion.
Absolutly F-A-L-S-E!
The SWG game DEVs made a brutal post aimed at rumormongers about when the release date would be. The gist of what they said was do NOT go by what other sites say. There is only one official SWG site. They would release the game when it gets released. No exact date was given until 3 months before release. Then SWG on purpose got held back for 3 months after the Beta testers AND the SWG game DEVs theirselves petitioned SONY to hold the game back.
Only ONE date for the release of the SE was ever given. Which was that it would get released 1 year after release of the original game. As I stated in an above post, true SWG fans will NOT want the SE to get released if it is incomplete, or needs more work. True SWG fans will want the SE to get held back at lease another year to make sure it releases smoothly. If you or others are toooo impatient, now is a nice time to work on learning patiences -
Xplororor, you confuse me
The only brutal response the SWG game DEVs made about SWG was its release date coming so quickly.
There was no exact date for release, at the time they gave what two or three weeks notice that it was going to be released to all the beta 3 testers. Everyone on the boards was aghast that it was going to be released in the condition it was in. You are in correct in stating they gave an exact date upon its release 3 months before it was actually released.
You are also very incorrect in saying that SWG on purpose got held back for 3 months after the beta testers and the SWG game Devs petitioned SONY To hold the game back... That is flat out incorrect. Ther was no petition by the players nor in any way working in cohesive effort with teh Game DEVS to postpone the games release. The players got all their information from the Game Devs, There was no contact with Sony itself.
Your statements about 'true SWG fans will NOT want the SE to get released if it is incmplete, or needs more work.' I'm sorry but what kind of statement is that as well, you speak about true SWG fans as if they are some mythical voting body of people who actually have influence, its merely fans who post a lot, and Sony, nor the SWG developers are really swayed by any body of players/fans stating 'true SWG fans' is merely some colored water you've mixed up to make them seem important.
Stop insulting other players by telling them whether to learn patience or not, you are making yourself out to be better than other people and its rude and lessens any importance your words might have in influencing people into believing whatever you may speak about.
Telling others to be patient is an insult?
"*whine* I want to play the SE right now!"
"*Whine* the SE suxxors! They let me play it right now and it's not finnished and full of bugs! *proceeds to post over and over bashing the SE"
If you feel I'm trying to make my self feel better or look better by telling others to be patient, then you are wrong. I am simply stating and making a point. Supposivly they want to play the SE because they LIKE SWG? Right or wrong? Then if they like SWG they will want the SE to be as nice as possible right or wrong? If they want the SE to be as nice as possible then they should be more than willing to be patient and wait until it is ready to be played right or wrong?
Or are they hoping the SE gets released earlier than it should? Or are they hoping the SE will get released before it is ready to be played? Or are they hoping they will then have more things about SWG to bash bash bash bash bash because they enjoy bashing SWG?
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