If i got dual CPU would that help, cos i got quite a good one now, getting a new one could really help!
Could it?
Nah, not really. Dual cpu/dual cores is overated... Yeah a really bold statement...
I would actually rather have a single core CPU@5GHz then 2xCPU@2.6GHz.
But you wont find anything else today either way.
You can argue that program like vanguard will run faster on two cores as you will have other threads, from other programs, running on the second core (or 2nd cpu). Well why bother running this program and that program when your are playing?
Disk access... nah.
For those program built and optimized, truely, for dual core ok...
Youre computer will be able to run Vanguard looking at the specifics at descent graphics and descent fps. With the exception that 8800 series doesn't have the best reputation around especially for Vanguard.
But why are you asking this? If you afraid that you wont be enjoying Vanguard running in balanced mode, that you must run Vanguard at the best graphic mode. I dont think you will enjoy it, honestly. Neither will you enjoy Vanguard if you cant play a game without have the better FPS then you closest friend. I have anything between 15-50 fps, the bottom line really is at 10 FPS. Your eyes can only catch that much.
The difference in graphic that you will having when you play compared from balanced to highest quality will be abyssmal.
Note that in balanced mode you can set quite a few sliders and fx on/off that will improve the visuals without lowering the fps to much.
ok guys what would you do, get another graphics card and have it dual, do the same with processor, or get a sound card to lower the FPS! i got a new monitor with resolutions set to 1440x900 but for some reason its gone slower lately, so thats my problem
Generally speaking I have found with game that a better graphics card gives the best performance increase assuming the rest of the system is not causing bottlenecks because its much slower.
I upgraded by old atlhon 64 3000+ system with a 8800 GTS and observed most games like battlefeild 2142 ran faster. I later upgraded my CPU and found an increase but not a massive amount. After that my memory was upgraded from 1 gig to 3 gig which gave a moderate speed increase but made swticing back to desktop much quiker.
But with VG I just dont know due to the games current unoptimsed state and bad hardware support. So I wouldnt like to guess too much there. Though having at least 2gigs memory seems a good starting point with it.
ok guys what would you do, get another graphics card and have it dual, do the same with processor, or get a sound card to lower the FPS! i got a new monitor with resolutions set to 1440x900 but for some reason its gone slower lately, so thats my problem thanks
Buy nothing. Your system is great. You should be able to run the game fine. Do some finetuning on the video settings in vanguard as mentioned before. Shadow, quality of details and view distance. Also switch between soft and hardware sound. If that doesnt work then something is broken or your system (software setup) is crap, infected or full of useless tasks.
Ok so i went to my freinds house (he has vanguard) and i plugged my PC in installed vanguard that he bought for my birthday, then went onto my freinds account, and started playing, and with this new screen it does lagg a bit, so i do really need to do something about it, like maybe get another processor, or another graphics card, or a sound card like godpuppet said, so please help me, and also if you could, try and link me a good combo to go with my CPU (if thats what you think i should get) Or a good combonation to go with my graphics card (if thats what you think i should get)
not enough video memory or VRAM. try upgrading to the 640MB version of the 8800GTS for high resolution. if that isn't enough OC your CPU to 2.8 or 3.0Ghz. If that still doesn't cut it then you'll need a 8800GTX.
dude your missing the point should i get another CPU and have DUAL CPUS, or shall i have another GRAPHICS CARD AND HAVE DUAL GRAPHICS CARD... and when you say updrading my VRAM can i upgrade the RAM in it without spending money?
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6600 @ 2.40GHz (2 CPUs)
Memory: 2046MB RAM
Card name: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS
Thankyou
you said you already have dual core. dual core performs better than single core in all benchmarks dependent on CPU speed. having an SLI or Crossfire setup helps increase framerates.
NO; you should get exact same graphic card if you want SLI as you allredy got. Also you need to cheak if your motherboard supports SLI. It says vanguard dosent have sli support but people claimes it improves fps for them.
If i were you i would NOT uppgrade,. If its a dell i would defenetly NOT uppgrade, when your computer is not good enugh anymore , sell it for a cheap buck and buy a new one CUSTOM designed, not dell crap.
Do anyone got simular sys as me?
I am runing 2*gf 7900gtx SLI with 2*raptor 74gb 10k, x6600, 2gb @ 800mhz, Striker extreame. Anyone had issues with simular system in vista with vanguard, i am about to try this game and even thoe i dont need to run it at full settings i dont want to pay for a game that i have to play with lagg., bad settings.
It says vanguard dosent have sli support but people claimes it improves fps for them.
*If* VG doesnt support SLI / crossfire then I would seriously doubt these claims. Both dual core and SLI/ crossfire need software specifically written to give support to such features.
And of course badly optimised code is still badly optimsed whatever hardware you choose to run it on.
Speaking for myself, I downloaded Update 2 and played the game for maybe five minutes near the Southwatch area. Again, speaking for myself, my performance was perfectly smooth. I only played for around 5 minutes or so, but I had no problem at all. It was as if I was playing EQ 2 or WoW.
I am not sure if that is a result of Update 2 or something else or a fluke.
not enough video memory or VRAM. try upgrading to the 640MB version of the 8800GTS for high resolution. if that isn't enough OC your CPU to 2.8 or 3.0Ghz. If that still doesn't cut it then you'll need a 8800GTX.
The benchmarks tests have shown that there is little difference between the 320mb 8800GTS and the 640mb 8800GTS while gaming up to a 1900x1200 resolution. As a matter of fact, the 320mb version outperformed the 640mb version in some of the tests at those resolutions. As long as you're not going above that, the 320mb version is fine.
Exactly ! Please see above - getting more video memory DOES ABSOLUTELY NOTHING unless it is also faster and you are planning on playing at 2536x2536 resolution with FSAA cranked to 16x.
As the above poster noted 320MB is faster because by the time electricity surges through the additional distance it takes to reach the additional 320 in ram chips you lose frames.
Also, VG never got optimized to take advantage of multi-core CPU's so the only realy gain you can realize with your PC is by OC'ing the e6600. This is the exact CPU/ Video Card combo I have and both are overclocked. e6600 can be safely taken all the way to 3.4-3.8 Ghz giving you about 20 more fps. Your video card can be overclocked for an additional 10-20fps.
I stopped playing VG a while back but while I played the performance sucked like a Dyson (and consequentially never lost suction) I was getting a meager 20-40FPS
I used to have a system with 7900GT SLI and I did extensive testing in vanguard at release. SLI didn't have any significant impact on performance and in fact in many cases actually hurt it. I even use one of the tweek tools to invoke some unsupported SLI modes to see if any of them would work.
I tested in the game fairly subjectively by running thorugh a set course with various stop points and recording the fps manually and writing overall comments on the feel etc as I did each leg of the course. But the end result was SLI in vanguard wasn't worth it. I ended up dumping my SLI setup and getting an 8800 which had a MUCH larger effect on fps and today the fps in game on highest settings is great everywhere.
One plus I did see with multicore is that my system runs vanguard much smoother. While vanguard isn't faster it is less effected by OS things like mouse drivers etc. Logitech mouse drivers are something of CPU hogs and would become laggy. After getting a multicore cpu I no longer have any issues like that. In fact even if my virus scanner kicks on I don't see an impact on performance. Multicores do help some
I don't think the solution to Vanguards problems is expecting everyone to run out and sink money into new hardware,experiment and test their systems to the extent that some are and altering the game files.... especially given that this game is "only" made with the Unreal 2 engine. The same engine that was use to make Lineage 2. To add insult to injury, is it really worth the trouble and expense to everyone just to play an average fantasy grinder??? Whatever modifications they did to the engine really need to be looked at. Remember, we are paying customers not quality control people, developers or coders.
This game should run like butter on warm toast on my rig according to the system requirements and it doesn't. Thats not our problem, its SOE's. They need to either change the published system requirements to reflect any specific hardware requirements or be straight up with what is wrong and give a realistic timetable until it is fixed. Right now the game requirements are flat out misleading and anyone going off of that will not be able to play this game or at best on anything but the lowest setting with bad performance on top of it.
Show me in here where it says I need anything aside from what is published to play this game....My PC destroys those "recommended requirements" and yet I do not get the performance I feel I should. It does not specify what type of RAM, it does not say only certain graphic cards....It doesn't say only dual core CPU's....I don't need a dual core CPU to run Lineage 2, WTF would need one to play Vanguard, which is made with the same basic engine?ays a 3.0 GHz Intel OR 3500+ AMD processor...thats it. It says 2 GB of RAM...thats it, nothing else, no variations give better performance, no variations are "more" recommended then others....for a graphic card, all it say is a "Vertex and pixel shader 2.0 compatible hardware with 256MB of texture memory". Thats it. Nowhere does it say I need a quantum powered pixel shader with dual 8880000 graphics cards.
This is SOE's issue, not mine. I beat these "recommended requirements" with my old computer, let alone my new one. Anything beyond the recommended is a bonus to me.
These guys have the balls to say that this game will run, in the minimum requirements area, with 512MB of RAM. That is flat out untrue.
Vanguard: Saga of Heroes Minimum System Requirements
Windows® 2000/XP
100% DirectX 9.0c compatible computer
100% DirectX compatible keyboard or input device
Processor 2.4 GHz Intel processor or 2400+ or higher model AMD processor
512 MB RAM
Vertex and Pixel shader 2.0 compatible hardware with 128MB of texture memory
100%DirectX compatible sound card
56K + Internet Connection
20 Gigabytes Hard Drive Space
Recommended Specs:
Windows® 2000/XP/Vista
100% DirectX 9.0c compatible computer
100% DirectX compatible keyboard or input device
Processor 3.0 GHz Intel or 3500+ AMD processor
2 GB RAM
Vertex and Pixel shader 2.0 compatible hardware with 256MB of texture memory
I don't think the solution to Vanguards problems is expecting everyone to run out and sink money into new hardware,experiment
Good luck spreading the truth torak! I tried saying this weeks ago and the fundamental problem is that people DO NOT fathom even slightly the relationship between hardware and software. Most young MMO players tend towards upgrading there hardware without any regard to software. Unoptimized and poorly tested software tends to push players into upgrading there computers (vista anyone?), because for them its all hardware,none real world bench tests, and bottom line Sig's of spec's on forum posts.
So companies do in the end get off with shoddy, rushed products which people go out and but hardware for which isn't half the time taken anywhere near to full advantage of. Scary situation but thats in a nutshell...
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Nah, not really. Dual cpu/dual cores is overated... Yeah a really bold statement...
I would actually rather have a single core CPU@5GHz then 2xCPU@2.6GHz.
But you wont find anything else today either way.
You can argue that program like vanguard will run faster on two cores as you will have other threads, from other programs, running on the second core (or 2nd cpu). Well why bother running this program and that program when your are playing?
Disk access... nah.
For those program built and optimized, truely, for dual core ok...
Nothing really has happened since BP6...
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
so what about dual graphic card?
Played: WoW, Guild wars, Eve, SWG, and more
Not at the moment.
Youre computer will be able to run Vanguard looking at the specifics at descent graphics and descent fps. With the exception that 8800 series doesn't have the best reputation around especially for Vanguard.
But why are you asking this? If you afraid that you wont be enjoying Vanguard running in balanced mode, that you must run Vanguard at the best graphic mode. I dont think you will enjoy it, honestly. Neither will you enjoy Vanguard if you cant play a game without have the better FPS then you closest friend. I have anything between 15-50 fps, the bottom line really is at 10 FPS. Your eyes can only catch that much.
The difference in graphic that you will having when you play compared from balanced to highest quality will be abyssmal.
Note that in balanced mode you can set quite a few sliders and fx on/off that will improve the visuals without lowering the fps to much.
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
ok guys what would you do, get another graphics card and have it dual, do the same with processor, or get a sound card to lower the FPS! i got a new monitor with resolutions set to 1440x900 but for some reason its gone slower lately, so thats my problem
thanks
Played: WoW, Guild wars, Eve, SWG, and more
Generally speaking I have found with game that a better graphics card gives the best performance increase assuming the rest of the system is not causing bottlenecks because its much slower.
I upgraded by old atlhon 64 3000+ system with a 8800 GTS and observed most games like battlefeild 2142 ran faster. I later upgraded my CPU and found an increase but not a massive amount. After that my memory was upgraded from 1 gig to 3 gig which gave a moderate speed increase but made swticing back to desktop much quiker.
But with VG I just dont know due to the games current unoptimsed state and bad hardware support. So I wouldnt like to guess too much there. Though having at least 2gigs memory seems a good starting point with it.
Buy nothing. Your system is great. You should be able to run the game fine. Do some finetuning on the video settings in vanguard as mentioned before. Shadow, quality of details and view distance. Also switch between soft and hardware sound. If that doesnt work then something is broken or your system (software setup) is crap, infected or full of useless tasks.
Ok so i went to my freinds house (he has vanguard) and i plugged my PC in installed vanguard that he bought for my birthday, then went onto my freinds account, and started playing, and with this new screen it does lagg a bit, so i do really need to do something about it, like maybe get another processor, or another graphics card, or a sound card like godpuppet said, so please help me, and also if you could, try and link me a good combo to go with my CPU (if thats what you think i should get) Or a good combonation to go with my graphics card (if thats what you think i should get)
Thankyou!
Played: WoW, Guild wars, Eve, SWG, and more
not enough video memory or VRAM. try upgrading to the 640MB version of the 8800GTS for high resolution. if that isn't enough OC your CPU to 2.8 or 3.0Ghz. If that still doesn't cut it then you'll need a 8800GTX.
CURRENTLY PLAYING SHAIYA
dude your missing the point should i get another CPU and have DUAL CPUS, or shall i have another GRAPHICS CARD AND HAVE DUAL GRAPHICS CARD... and when you say updrading my VRAM can i upgrade the RAM in it without spending money?
Played: WoW, Guild wars, Eve, SWG, and more
you said you already have dual core. dual core performs better than single core in all benchmarks dependent on CPU speed. having an SLI or Crossfire setup helps increase framerates.
CURRENTLY PLAYING SHAIYA
should i get dual graphics cards then and if so what graphics card should it be (this is to make the performance nice)
Played: WoW, Guild wars, Eve, SWG, and more
two 8800 GTXs is your best performer right now. for nvidia two 8800GTS 640MB is 2nd best performer.
CURRENTLY PLAYING SHAIYA
what if i had my current 8800 GTS with 320 mb memory, then get another one with 640MB memory would that be good?
Played: WoW, Guild wars, Eve, SWG, and more
might not be compliant but you could try it or research it yourself to see whether it works or not
CURRENTLY PLAYING SHAIYA
NO; you should get exact same graphic card if you want SLI as you allredy got. Also you need to cheak if your motherboard supports SLI. It says vanguard dosent have sli support but people claimes it improves fps for them.
If i were you i would NOT uppgrade,. If its a dell i would defenetly NOT uppgrade, when your computer is not good enugh anymore , sell it for a cheap buck and buy a new one CUSTOM designed, not dell crap.
Do anyone got simular sys as me?
I am runing 2*gf 7900gtx SLI with 2*raptor 74gb 10k, x6600, 2gb @ 800mhz, Striker extreame. Anyone had issues with simular system in vista with vanguard, i am about to try this game and even thoe i dont need to run it at full settings i dont want to pay for a game that i have to play with lagg., bad settings.
*If* VG doesnt support SLI / crossfire then I would seriously doubt these claims. Both dual core and SLI/ crossfire need software specifically written to give support to such features.
And of course badly optimised code is still badly optimsed whatever hardware you choose to run it on.
Speaking for myself, I downloaded Update 2 and played the game for maybe five minutes near the Southwatch area. Again, speaking for myself, my performance was perfectly smooth. I only played for around 5 minutes or so, but I had no problem at all. It was as if I was playing EQ 2 or WoW.
I am not sure if that is a result of Update 2 or something else or a fluke.
The benchmarks tests have shown that there is little difference between the 320mb 8800GTS and the 640mb 8800GTS while gaming up to a 1900x1200 resolution. As a matter of fact, the 320mb version outperformed the 640mb version in some of the tests at those resolutions. As long as you're not going above that, the 320mb version is fine.
Exactly ! Please see above - getting more video memory DOES ABSOLUTELY NOTHING unless it is also faster and you are planning on playing at 2536x2536 resolution with FSAA cranked to 16x.
As the above poster noted 320MB is faster because by the time electricity surges through the additional distance it takes to reach the additional 320 in ram chips you lose frames.
Also, VG never got optimized to take advantage of multi-core CPU's so the only realy gain you can realize with your PC is by OC'ing the e6600. This is the exact CPU/ Video Card combo I have and both are overclocked. e6600 can be safely taken all the way to 3.4-3.8 Ghz giving you about 20 more fps. Your video card can be overclocked for an additional 10-20fps.
I stopped playing VG a while back but while I played the performance sucked like a Dyson (and consequentially never lost suction) I was getting a meager 20-40FPS
FUNCOM - putting the FUN in disFUNctional !
I used to have a system with 7900GT SLI and I did extensive testing in vanguard at release. SLI didn't have any significant impact on performance and in fact in many cases actually hurt it. I even use one of the tweek tools to invoke some unsupported SLI modes to see if any of them would work.
I tested in the game fairly subjectively by running thorugh a set course with various stop points and recording the fps manually and writing overall comments on the feel etc as I did each leg of the course. But the end result was SLI in vanguard wasn't worth it. I ended up dumping my SLI setup and getting an 8800 which had a MUCH larger effect on fps and today the fps in game on highest settings is great everywhere.
One plus I did see with multicore is that my system runs vanguard much smoother. While vanguard isn't faster it is less effected by OS things like mouse drivers etc. Logitech mouse drivers are something of CPU hogs and would become laggy. After getting a multicore cpu I no longer have any issues like that. In fact even if my virus scanner kicks on I don't see an impact on performance. Multicores do help some
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I don't think the solution to Vanguards problems is expecting everyone to run out and sink money into new hardware,experiment and test their systems to the extent that some are and altering the game files....
especially given that this game is "only" made with the Unreal 2 engine. The same engine that was use to make Lineage 2. To add insult to injury, is it really worth the trouble and expense to everyone just to play an average fantasy grinder??? Whatever modifications they did to the engine really need to be looked at. Remember, we are paying customers not quality control people, developers or coders.
This game should run like butter on warm toast on my rig according to the system requirements and it doesn't. Thats not our problem, its SOE's. They need to either change the published system requirements to reflect any specific hardware requirements or be straight up with what is wrong and give a realistic timetable until it is fixed. Right now the game requirements are flat out misleading and anyone going off of that will not be able to play this game or at best on anything but the lowest setting with bad performance on top of it.
Show me in here where it says I need anything aside from what is published to play this game....My PC destroys those "recommended requirements" and yet I do not get the performance I feel I should. It does not specify what type of RAM, it does not say only certain graphic cards....It doesn't say only dual core CPU's....I don't need a dual core CPU to run Lineage 2, WTF would need one to play Vanguard, which is made with the same basic engine?ays a 3.0 GHz Intel OR 3500+ AMD processor...thats it. It says 2 GB of RAM...thats it, nothing else, no variations give better performance, no variations are "more" recommended then others....for a graphic card, all it say is a "Vertex and pixel shader 2.0 compatible hardware with 256MB of texture memory". Thats it. Nowhere does it say I need a quantum powered pixel shader with dual 8880000 graphics cards.
This is SOE's issue, not mine. I beat these "recommended requirements" with my old computer, let alone my new one. Anything beyond the recommended is a bonus to me.
These guys have the balls to say that this game will run, in the minimum requirements area, with 512MB of RAM. That is flat out untrue.
Vanguard: Saga of Heroes Minimum System Requirements
Recommended Specs:
Good luck spreading the truth torak! I tried saying this weeks ago and the fundamental problem is that people DO NOT fathom even slightly the relationship between hardware and software. Most young MMO players tend towards upgrading there hardware without any regard to software. Unoptimized and poorly tested software tends to push players into upgrading there computers (vista anyone?), because for them its all hardware,none real world bench tests, and bottom line Sig's of spec's on forum posts.
So companies do in the end get off with shoddy, rushed products which people go out and but hardware for which isn't half the time taken anywhere near to full advantage of. Scary situation but thats in a nutshell...