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PvP looting question
Allhallows
Member Posts: 43
As much as I am excited about all DF has to offer I'm worried about one minor detail. Minor as in losing all of my items daily.
How does PvP looting work? There will be alot of people playing this game, so getting killed in PVP will probably happen multiple times daily. Can the person who killed me take all of my gear? I think it would get tiring having to go get new gear several times a day.
I wouldn't mind losing the items that are in my backpack, or items that I don't have "magically attuned" to me. I just think there may be alot of naked toons running around after getting ganked enough times. Think about all of the ways one can get ganked: Groups of Griefers scouting the landscapes just outside the cities, getting ganked while having half health from currently fighting a mob, afk, disconnects, etc...
Now I'm no carebear, but I would like to think that I'm not going to lose my stuff every time another player attacks me and I lose.
Anyone know how this works?
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You will drop all your gear when you die and there will never ever be any "magically attuned" items in darkfall. And you are right, you will die alot in darkfall, everyone will. Thats why you will most likely have already fixed bags in your bank for when you die, then you can just pick one up and eq the thinks you have stocked in em. After that you are ready too get your revenge.
Even if you dont die you will need too get new gear, there is durability on all gear, they will brake after some time. But all gear can be crafted more or less, so its np.
Since there will be alot of dying i would imagine that basic armor and weps are fairly cheap. Of course you can get ganked in that way but since mostly your surronded by your own race you really shouldnt have to much of a problem seeing as how there is an alignment system. Now if your on a border town with enemy races than you really have to watch your back
Just keep an eye on your surrondings to see if anyone is dashing towards you and you should be ok.
The newb armor and weapon that you start out with will be non-drop. They have stated this several times and its the only realistic way to do a full loot MMO, therefore you will not be completely defenseless even when killed repeatedly.
Of course newb armor will be crap and will not be viable to fight with just that, so aquiring good equipment is essential for any raid or defense of cities etc.
Well they said when you create your character and it will last XX amount of hours. After that you better have some equips.
So will getting good drops or saving crafting materials be worthless?
How mad would you be if you just spent all day gathering materials then finding and paying a crafter to make you new pants only to have them looted from you 10 minutes later.
Wouldn't this be more frustrating than fun? I mean how much fun could it be making sure you have 10 bags full of back up armor in the bank?!
In this game gear won't make or break your character. If the items were as powerfull as in WoW it would be absolutely crazy to play the game.
So a good rule is to wear what you can afford to loose. And it's a fps style game, no random numbers are going to tell if you hit or miss, only your skill with a mouse and keyboard.
And also, remember that the threat of loosing gear is just as real to your attacker...
Edit: One more thing, make friends and travel in groups. 1st rule of FFA PvP games.
darkfall is making me sooo.... excited... if only it were to release in 07
well we'll be able to accurately predict when it will come out in the next update. I think 8 days away.
well we'll be able to accurately predict when it will come out in the next update. I think 8 days away.
We hope anyway I might add.
hopefully you'll be able to take as much gear as you need. and like in EVE, you wont wear what you cant afford to lose. its gonna be fun yo I cant wait to get my looting on. gonna be so awesome
you'd be so silly not to have that crafter make you more than suit. better buy in bulk.
Items will be so cheap in darkfall there will be no worries. And blacksmiths dont have to worry cause these items will be in so much demand they'll be too busy making it to worry about making profit.
I just hope they have something like in SWG that you can actually hire blacksmiths to make items for you so that way you can get more production done quicker.....somethng for the sieges ya know?
Just trying to keep the standard the same for both the haters and the fan boys or is that not allowed?
-Atziluth-
- Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.
hmm, i dont get the problem?
First: The DF inventory is alot smaller then other MMOs. So you can loot five characters.
Second: In DF you dont have to kill anything if you dont want to. Its your choice when and where. If you are not stupid and travel alone in dangerous areas.
Third: You can retreat from a ambush. No "automatic targeting". This is something new i think, from what i understand in the MMO players mantality.
Just trying to keep the standard the same for both the haters and the fan boys or is that not allowed?
Where do u use common sense? They've said that you will die alot and if they make armor and weapons expensive than there will be alot of naked people fighting.
Please just use some sort of intelligence in your posts.
They also said there will be an in depth crafting system. So if it takes a lot of time to craft, then it won't be worth it to sell it inexpensively.
Please just use some sort of intelligence in your posts.
I use logic in my posts but according to your own words without facts it is just speculation.I quote: "logical theories? Their just generalizations thats all they are."
Now that you do not have any facts, logic suddenly becomes relevant again. Anything you don't like you demand proof. When you can't explain something easily you quickly throw out "logical assumptions" and scoff when we do not accept what you say at face value. You cannot have it both way questionable. Either everyone has to provide proof or all logical assumptions are valid responses. I will let you decide here an now which is it?
-Atziluth-
- Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.
Please just use some sort of intelligence in your posts.
I use logic in my posts but according to your own words without facts it is just speculation.I quote: "logical theories? Their just generalizations thats all they are."
Now that you do not have any facts, logic suddenly becomes relevant again. Anything you don't like you demand proof. When you can't explain something easily you quickly throw out "logical assumptions" and scoff when we do not accept what you say at face value. You cannot have it both way questionable. Either everyone has to provide proof or all logical assumptions are valid responses. I will let you decide here an now which is it?
Unfortunately what you used was were not "logical theories". You were using games that were either underdeveloped and/or underfunded and forced to release(Which is something you still dont understand). Since aventurine only recently got a loan(which still doesnt mean they are forced to release) they do not have the same restraints as those. So tell me how they could be logical theories when what you were basing it off is different?
Now since as they stated that you will die alot and everytime you die you have to get new equipment that said equips would be relatively cheap(depending on quality)? Its so obvious that its even listed here. As for your "logical assumptions" look above.
Where do they say what the prices are on items? I think before the same people who scream "prove it!" to any dissenting comment about DF start making assumptions of their own they need to take a long hard look at their old posts. You have no proof on what the prices let alone the crafting, item stats, or banking system will be like... how can you claim anything you said to be true?Just trying to keep the standard the same for both the haters and the fan boys or is that not allowed?
yeah it will be free because we can kill each other and full loot. Will be free for the vets and expensive for the suckers. I'm no one's punk in anygame I play I know I'll be taking what's mine while the noobs plan for failure
so many of you haters are from WAR forums dont think we dont know u guys agenda we're not stupid
Darkfall and/or EVE >>> WAR and all the other watered down baby wrestling matches. Bowdown for Real PVP games all you WAR fans
Now since as they stated that you will die alot and everytime you die you have to get new equipment that said equips would be relatively cheap(depending on quality)? Its so obvious that its even listed here. As for your "logical assumptions" look above.
You may want to check your own references. We all know Wiki is such a reputable source of info... and the article it references does not say items will be cheap anywhere. It says smart players should have item bags in their vaults to go back out and get their items quickly. How much these items cost is not in any article. This is pretty par for the course concerning your spin on the game though. try again please.Have you ever had a loan before questionable? I am thinking not since you fail to understand what it entails. Most loans you have to start paying back after a very short grace period... Something with high risk such as say producing a game would definitely fall into short term loan category. You also love to conveniently forget items when they do not suit your argument. Aventurine had private investors to start the company. These investors will want return on their investment. Do you really think companies have no obligations especially starters with no venture capital? Aventurine has the same monetary constraints as the rest of the developers in this market unless you are now disputing reality in the business world.
-Atziluth-
- Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.
Just trying to keep the standard the same for both the haters and the fan boys or is that not allowed?
yeah it will be free because we can kill each other and full loot. Will be free for the vets and expensive for the suckers. I'm no one's punk in anygame I play I know I'll be taking what's mine while the noobs plan for failure
so many of you haters are from WAR forums dont think we dont know u guys agenda we're not stupid
Darkfall and/or EVE >>> WAR and all the other watered down baby wrestling matches. Bowdown for Real PVP games all you WAR fans
This coming from the guy who never played the old school hardcore MMOs like UO and AC darktide when they were popular. A real PvPer would not need to talk smack like you do. You are just like the rest of the talkers... act all big and tough then quit after getting rolled a few times.
-Atziluth-
- Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.
Darkfall is not for carebears, there are plenty of carebear games out there please dont waste your time trying to change darkfall. Its the last bastion for hardcore MUDers, ex-UO, EvE and other adhrenaline junkies. I will enjoy inflicting pain on others in that game just as they will enjoy inflicting pain on me. Being near death will make you sweat, dying will make you cry, and killing will make you feel like you just knocked out Mike Tyson. I can't wait, nothing since MUDs will come close to this game.
Are you a Pavlovian Fish Biscuit Addict? Get Help Now!
I will play no more MMORPGs until somethign good comes out!
Just trying to keep the standard the same for both the haters and the fan boys or is that not allowed?
Do your own bit of research. They said themselves, basic items used in fighting will be extremely cheap to make. Its when you want to add magical attributes or even the highest tier of armor/weapons that will be difficult. Such as the dragon scale armor (yeah i wonder what we have to kill and retrieve to make that).
So before you go on one of your "Im so logical im gonna prove these guys wrong just because they have a 109 IQ" please do your own bit of research
And btw logic would tell you, if they expect you to die alot, they wouldnt make it so difficult to restock, especially since this game is built in UO's image. Good day.
*EDIT* Btw since they also stated you can hire npcs to go out and get resources that you need thats also another reason why it'll be so easy to make those basic items.
*EDIT2* woooo damn im just being a busy body today arent i
Take a good hard look at the map and just think of how many times they stated its a pretty darned big map. Now think of how many places there are on the map that you MIGHT be able to get the basic necessities of goods by just rumaging around and chopping down trees. Now take that and think of getting a hut in the furthest corner of your species territory that you can just hire npcs (just think you could share huts between accounts and have multiple smithing accounts since they said they would limit npc hireables to just common players *around*[meaning can be changed at any time higher or lower] whereas the guild leaders will have a higher usage of hireables stemming from fighters to just pretty little kitties if they do so allow NOW say you took those 10 hireables for this arguement just 1 player and you put them in the furthest place imagineable that only a pirate could bombard them with missiles. That in those few weeks they might be able to turn out a considerable amount of armorments (yeah sp me i dare you). just htink if you had enough space to put all the resources (if infact you arent an idiot at manageing the money and able to set up some sort of stock area) that you could have a macro sit there for countless hours juts making certain items, or lets say that htey have something like swg and you just have a big box making wierd noises turning out 10k of certain items.
NOW THAT I HAVE GONE and typed out a huge thing with horrible grammer....and....omg bad punctuation.....and, oh my goodness, MADE UP WORDS. and OMG NO SOURCES OF INFORMATION, other than what many others would probably say hey i remmeber seeing that. YOU SIR take in these words and think about them before trying to spread your "Logic" and "facts"
Where do they say what the prices are on items? I think before the same people who scream "prove it!" to any dissenting comment about DF start making assumptions of their own they need to take a long hard look at their old posts. You have no proof on what the prices let alone the crafting, item stats, or banking system will be like... how can you claim anything you said to be true?Just trying to keep the standard the same for both the haters and the fan boys or is that not allowed?
yeah it will be free because we can kill each other and full loot. Will be free for the vets and expensive for the suckers. I'm no one's punk in anygame I play I know I'll be taking what's mine while the noobs plan for failure
so many of you haters are from WAR forums dont think we dont know u guys agenda we're not stupid
Darkfall and/or EVE >>> WAR and all the other watered down baby wrestling matches. Bowdown for Real PVP games all you WAR fans
This coming from the guy who never played the old school hardcore MMOs like UO and AC darktide when they were popular. A real PvPer would not need to talk smack like you do. You are just like the rest of the talkers... act all big and tough then quit after getting rolled a few times.
lmao you're so brilliant my fellow WAR I still play UO my last login was last week. so what if I came to MMOs late trust me even a newbie can figure out WoW is carebear trash and work their way backwards to the real PVP MMOs.
dont try to talk all tough we both know you hate open PVP games you dont belong here
I play eVE daily. I've played Starport. I've played UO. I've done my homework it doesnt take long to figure out what PVP is quality and what's carebear garbage. WAR is garbage I've said it and I'll keep saying it
And btw they mentioned this games also more skills based than most. Having the highest tiered armor and weapons wont exactly mean your godly that can never be killed. The highest "leveled" char can be killed by a noobie character if they are better at handling their character (ebay noobs)
a formidable vet against 4 noobs that know what their doing will lose. doesnt mean all 4 noobs will survive but hey can still kill him.