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The Lich King = Sauron
Airspell
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The similarities, looks wise, are just a tad too close don't you think ? I am not hater of WoW, but I am a huge hater of Blizzards inability to do anything remotly original. Anyone agree ? Anyone at all ? :P Could also say it looks like the Witch King Witch Lich :P
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Make your judgment people. Yes I see the similarities, but I also see quite a difference. Up to your personal opinion and judgment.
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Tolkien stole his idea of the Lord of the Rings from Blizzard's WoW, you didn't know?
All floozles look more or less alike to me.. .(see if any remembers that word)
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oh noes, now i'm gonna have to quit wow cuz things are similar to other things....honestly i really don't care, you must be bored tho to even bother with this.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas
As I said I don't hate WoW. Just kinda rubs me the wrong way when I see Blizzard stealing left and right for the past 13 years. Yes their games are great, but something needs to be said about the things they may be doing wrong. From the beginning they have seen it is more profitable to steal and pay off the lawsuits later instead of actually think up something themselves. Obviously most people do not care.
well you call it stealing i would need more proof they are stealing anything, i have seen alot of evil armored character types with a similar look, unless someone has actual proof of stealing then i don't see it, are ideas borrowed probably is that stealing not sure it is...everyone nowadays seems to borrow from everyone else, if your mad at blizzard for so called stealing then you need to be mad at every other game that has borrowed from tolkien.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas
a) He was a paladin, and thus heavily armored melee fighter
b) Black armor with many skulls attached to it was a good symbol of corruption. Arthas changed his normal paladin armor to that during Warcraft III
c) He always has his sword (Frostmourne) because of it's special meaning in the story
I don't care if they copied. I love the WoW lore... then again i don't really know much about LOTR. I went to see the first movie and fell asleep in the theatre. After that I lost interest in the others. I was going to read the books, but everyone said "if you thought the movie was boring you won't like the books." I'll check out the movies again one day. If Blizzard was (obviously) inspired by LOTR, that's cool... as long as they didn't take LOTR and say they made it.
Almost all fantasy of a certain type can be traced back to Tolkien, who surely was influenced himself by several things. Let's face it, Blizzard didn't invent orcs and elves, nor did EQ, nor did D & D, nor did Tolkein.
Anyway I was thinking it's more like the Witch King of Angmar.
Even so, I don't think the fact that there are similarities will affect many people's playing.
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If you think Blizzard is just inspired by things than you obviously don't know about the multitude of lawsuits they had to settle :>
Ignorance is bliss, and that seems to hold for millions of WoW fans who rather believe their game is the first mmo ever and 100% original :P
As long as the game is fun doesn't work for me as it works for others. If I was a fanboi of something and I found out it was just a copy of other things it would take my respect for the company down a notch. I'm wierd like that.
Sauron is nothing compared toe hLich King. The Lich King is entirely original..WTF are you talking about? Name me one game with a Lich King like the one that's going to be in wow.
Also, no offense but I consider wow more orginal than lotr. Lotr was a synergy of christianity and traditional folk mythology. I can't stand noobs who read lotr and then its the be all end of all of all fantasy. IT's not, its a book written by a christian man that symbolises the wars going on during that time, or that's what he said he wrote it about.
Yes he borrows from folklore like all tehse games too and before tolkien people were telling stores along the same lines. The imagination will do this, and always has, since the begining of man. Stop reducing schemas over things an dstart learning that trolling is rediculous in nature and aw aste of your own time.
Well this is just blizzard's style when creating video games. They don't even try to hide it most of the time when they copy and make things their own. A lot of the blizzard games wouldn't be what they are if they didn't take from other stories. Although Diablo, Lost Vikings, and Blackthorne are pretty original games made by blizzard (Correct me if I'm wrong).
Actually Lich King is strangely similar to Nagash, the Lich King of Warhammer.
But as someone once said "There is nothing new under the sun"
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If you think Blizzard is just inspired by things than you obviously don't know about the multitude of lawsuits they had to settle :>
Ignorance is bliss, and that seems to hold for millions of WoW fans who rather believe their game is the first mmo ever and 100% original :P
As long as the game is fun doesn't work for me as it works for others. If I was a fanboi of something and I found out it was just a copy of other things it would take my respect for the company down a notch. I'm wierd like that.
lol dont speak of ignorance, when you fail to think past the only recent borrowed ideas. For your to hold any grounding you would have to go back to the first person to ever think of such idea or a dark figure of the same way ect.no one is claiming wow is original, and stop talking in black and white. No one is going "OMG WOW WAS THE FIRST EVER!"(cept for maybe ignorant 10 year old, but they havnt been around long enough to know any better)
And who cares honestly, if the game is fun, its fun. I will admit i do like Warcraft lore(not recently though, aka WOW lore) and while i would love to move on from wow, not a damn good MMO has come out yet(im banking on AOC)
i would like to add one more thing, remember what wow was aiming for, trying to take all the ideas and make the best they can out of them, rather then make new ones, very conservative move, but it worked.
Lotr has a villain
Warcraft has a villain.
Omg, copied!
Do you know bowser? yeah well he is a sauron clone too.
Now as to the Lich King, people compare it to Sauron and they are way out of line on that too. Read the history of Sauron and the lore behind the Lich King and you will see totally differing backgrounds and there is totally ZERO similarity between the two.
People should learn to hold their opinions before they even check them out, else they look like idiots to the world. Albeit, an anonymous world of the internet and the ego-boosting monickers most use for nicknames.
Now as to the Lich King, people compare it to Sauron and they are way out of line on that too. Read the history of Sauron and the lore behind the Lich King and you will see totally differing backgrounds and there is totally ZERO similarity between the two.
People should learn to hold their opinions before they even check them out, else they look like idiots to the world. Albeit, an anonymous world of the internet and the ego-boosting monickers most use for nicknames.
Well let's see...Tolkien's world is iluvatar, the god that created the world. but he did not do it alone, he created the valar to help him with their song.
The best of the valar, Melkor, goes haywire and decide to go on his own, he is cast from the heavens on the earth and scores of his followers go with him.
Now you tell me you do not see the similarity between this story and the christian mythos of satan? Cause I see it.
Tolkien took inspiration from many many things, including folklore and christian legends.
Does this means lord of the rings is some derivative crap? hell no, it is one of the best fantasy story ever written.
Warhammer lore takes a lot from historical facts and Michael morcock eternal champion series. Does that makes it derivative crap? hell no, it is a great intriguing and immersive world.
Warcraft lore takes a lot from warhammer and other fantasy sources, including the lord of the rings for sure (hard to find ANY western fantasy that did not take inspiration from it), does this means it is derivative crap? once again, hell no. warcraft might not be the best fantasy around, but it more than decent.
as for lich king = sauron... ? what? maybe there is some physical similarities between the helmet design of the MOVIE and the lich king of warcraft... as for actual similarities between sauron of the books and arthas.... nope... none... zero.. zilch.
Sauron is a maia, a spiritual energetic being, never had been a human nor a corrupted one at that... not to mention fusing with an orc shaman.... no... way.
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there games were great. where will they go now that the blizzard north team has all left? oh yeah, starcraft 2, that's the future of blizz games.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
Now as to the Lich King, people compare it to Sauron and they are way out of line on that too. Read the history of Sauron and the lore behind the Lich King and you will see totally differing backgrounds and there is totally ZERO similarity between the two.
People should learn to hold their opinions before they even check them out, else they look like idiots to the world. Albeit, an anonymous world of the internet and the ego-boosting monickers most use for nicknames.
Well let's see...Tolkien's world is iluvatar, the god that created the world. but he did not do it alone, he created the valar to help him with their song.
The best of the valar, Melkor, goes haywire and decide to go on his own, he is cast from the heavens on the earth and scores of his followers go with him.
Now you tell me you do not see the similarity between this story and the christian mythos of satan? Cause I see it.
Tolkien took inspiration from many many things, including folklore and christian legends.
Does this means lord of the rings is some derivative crap? hell no, it is one of the best fantasy story ever written.
Warhammer lore takes a lot from historical facts and Michael morcock eternal champion series. Does that makes it derivative crap? hell no, it is a great intriguing and immersive world.
Warcraft lore takes a lot from warhammer and other fantasy sources, including the lord of the rings for sure (hard to find ANY western fantasy that did not take inspiration from it), does this means it is derivative crap? once again, hell no. warcraft might not be the best fantasy around, but it more than decent.
as for lich king = sauron... ? what? maybe there is some physical similarities between the helmet design of the MOVIE and the lich king of warcraft... as for actual similarities between sauron of the books and arthas.... nope... none... zero.. zilch.
Sauron is a maia, a spiritual energetic being, never had been a human nor a corrupted one at that... not to mention fusing with an orc shaman.... no... way.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lord_of_the_Rings
Tolkien may have also borrowed elements from the Völsungasaga, the Old Norse basis of the later German Nibelungenlied and Richard Wagner's opera series, Der Ring des Nibelungen, also called the Ring Cycle — specifically a magical golden ring and a broken sword which is reforged. In the Völsungasaga, these items are respectively Andvarinaut and Gram, and very broadly correspond to the One Ring and Narsil/Andúril. Finnish mythology and more specifically the Finnish national epic Kalevala were also acknowledged by Tolkien as an influence on Middle-earth.[25] In a similar manner to The Lord of the Rings, the Kalevala centres around a magical item of great power, the Sampo, which bestows great fortune on its owner, but never makes its exact nature clear. Like the One Ring, the Sampo is fought over by forces of good and evil, and is ultimately lost to the world as it is destroyed towards the end of the story. In another parallel, the latter work's wizard character Väinämöinen also has many similarities to Gandalf in his immortal origins and wise nature, and both works end with their respective wizard departing on a ship to lands beyond the mortal world. Tolkien also based his Elvish language Quenya on Finnish.[26]
Shakespeare's Macbeth also influenced Tolkien in a number of ways. The Ent attack on Isengard was inspired by "Birnam Wood coming to Dunsinane" in the play; Tolkien felt men carrying boughs were not impressive enough, and thus he used actual tree-like creatures.[27] The phrase "crack of doom" was actually coined by Shakespeare for Macbeth, with an entirely different meaning.
Ok first of all WTF.
second of all y is it everytime somone comes out with a good idea somone has to bash it and there is no similaitys between them so they look the same whats your point two pesents under a christmas tree could look the same but be compleatly diffrent... you should look up the definition of a lich king!, if there copying anyone its ultima but they are not copying them because they had the lich king before WoW in the good old days of warcraft RTS
i would also like to say LOTR online Sucks and there begining area is a wow begining area clone
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Ok... Yes i agree that when a new idea comes out and people bash and trash talk about it.. But Its the same thing over and over with wow... Hero class... Big deal.. Once you hit max level you raid..blah blah blah.. end of story.. thats what you mostly do in wow... But Lotr may feel like the same game play but its not. It is a whole different concept. You do storylines which is pretty cool and monster play. Wow and lotr may seem the same but in actuality its not...
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If there is one thing blizzard has done.. Its stolen ideas from other major titles..
Look at blackrock depths, remember the part before the final boss, in the room with hundreds of dwarves? Thats the EXACT setting in LOTR mines of moria.. Even blackrock itself resembles mordor.
Bloodelf mount? That has to be obvious for everyone
Various quests resembling greek mythology.... Including odysseus landing.
I use to know alot more, that just the ones off the top of my head. Stopped playing WoW awhile ago.
Every fantasy game has derivatives of Tolkien's world; this isn't anything new.
Blizzard doesn't try to cover-up any elements they've borrowed from other games, books, movies, etc. Some of these pieces are introduced in a fun way, for example the 'spooky kids' in the house next to Goldshire's Crystal Lake (ala 'Friday the 13th'). In the least Blizzard successfully implemented these ideas with few bugs or flaws.
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