How long before this goes F2P?

donaldduck

F2P with item shop.

I give it 6 months max...

donaldduck

No, being serious.

I'm in the beta and can't see more than a couple of thousand people at most subscribing to this which just won't be enough to run it.

I can see them changing to a Guild Wars style expansion plan or item shop pretty quick.

Kyleran

Originally posted by The-Raven


what a Troll post. 

It was a valid point to put forth for discussion. The model these days seems to be to transition to F2P if the launch doesn't work out well, (or, you sell the game to SOE) so its not beyond reason that it could move to this model. 

F2P is growing in popularity.... but thats a discussion that's going on in another thread atm.....

mrw0lf

It won't be, one of the best games out atm and its still in beta. There are some good games on the horizon but from whats out there now, its leagues ahead.

vazzaroth

Firstly, I think you are underestimating TR. Of course, all that any of us can do is speculate, but I think it will be fairly successful. People too often decide that if it's not as big as WoW, it's unsuccessful. Defenantly not true.

Secondly, I highly doubt it will go Cash shop. I don't think that any of NCsoft's games (Not totally sure) use that price plan, and it's fairly uncommon outside of Asian MMOs. I guess it could go GW style, but I doubt that as well. That kind of payment would usually require a game to be built from the ground up to accommodate it.

jayheld90

Originally posted by vazzaroth


Firstly, I think you are underestimating TR. Of course, all that any of us can do is speculate, but I think it will be fairly successful. People too often decide that if it's not as big as WoW, it's unsuccessful. Defenantly not true.
Secondly, I highly doubt it will go Cash shop. I don't think that any of NCsoft's games (Not totally sure) use that price plan, and it's fairly uncommon outside of Asian MMOs. I guess it could go GW style, but I doubt that as well. That kind of payment would usually require a game to be built from the ground up to accommodate it.

only speculate? im in the beta...the game is nothing special at all, it is in fact quite a boring, repetitive game.

Kasimir

Since its NCsoft it probably wont go F2P, but it will mimic Auto Assault... It is a pity.

mrw0lf

Originally posted by jayheld90

Originally posted by vazzaroth


Firstly, I think you are underestimating TR. Of course, all that any of us can do is speculate, but I think it will be fairly successful. People too often decide that if it's not as big as WoW, it's unsuccessful. Defenantly not true.
Secondly, I highly doubt it will go Cash shop. I don't think that any of NCsoft's games (Not totally sure) use that price plan, and it's fairly uncommon outside of Asian MMOs. I guess it could go GW style, but I doubt that as well. That kind of payment would usually require a game to be built from the ground up to accommodate it.

only speculate? im in the beta...the game is nothing special at all, it is in fact quite a boring, repetitive game.

Yes speculate. Because that's YOU'RE opinion not fact. I am also in beta and strongly disagree. I play with a small group of our guild and we are all really enjoying it. People who like the game and playing it are doing just that instead of those who don't, that come here to slag it off. The haters are always the vocal minority of games in betas.

Don't get me wrong this is no epic game play it will in no way have massive numbers but its fun and has a good story. It's different and for me the combat style helps prevent 3rd partly grinding which could also be a reason so many dislike it.

Kasimir

Wow, any critique and he is automaticly a "Hater"... You did not come from Vanguard, did you? You sure sound like them.

drago_pl

I also play in beta. Well, played. I unistalled  it yesterday.

GW is ten times better than this. It might be good game 5 years ago but not now.

F2P or this game will have 10k subscribers max.

bleyzwun

NCSoft isnt a bootleg MMO company.  The only F2P they have is dungeon runners and its always been F2P.  Basically, this game will never go F2P.  I would be extremely surprised if it did.  Shit, I would be less surprised if they just killed it if it was doing that badly.

Die_Scream

I honestly cannot see it being F2P, not from NCSoft, and not when it was built for that from the ground up. Its a pretty good game, some thrill has worn off for me in the last couple weeks, but its good. ATM I'm not sure if I would subscribe or not, they will need to flesh it out more, but again, its in beta! So things will be added/removed i'm sure.

At least the charactor developement is consistant with RPGs, I can't say more, but not "you've leveled, go pick a skill the devs decided everyone your level gets", like some on-rails games lately *cough*LOTRO*cough*.

Will it be a blockbuster? IMO, no. It will be a good launch from what i've seen so far though, and thats a good start.

mrw0lf

Originally posted by Kasimir


Wow, any critique and he is automaticly a "Hater"... You did not come from Vanguard, did you? You sure sound like them.

I wasn't specifically refering to him. That post ws quoted because is wasn't a critique, he was stating his 'opinion' as 'fact'. I was merely pointing out that others may have a different view that is not fact either. The second paragraph with reference to 'haters' was a more general feeling on the number of people slating a game with little to back up their discontent. No game will apeal to everyone but a lot of people on these boards recently are disillusioned with mmo's in general and will not be satisfied with any game.

I read the posts on this forum prior to trying TR and thought it must be utter bollox to derive such an onslaught but this simply is not the case, not by a long shot. And no I didnt play vanguard, although I intent to try it.

Maverick123w

Alls I know is that I downloaded TR and Quake Wars at the same time.  I played TR first and thought it was ehhh ok, but not something I would play past the 1st month.  I then played Quake Wars, I havent turned TR back on again.

vazzaroth

A few things:
Maverick: You seem to enjoy FPSs more than MMOs. Which is what TR is. We don't need to have this debate. Again. I hope you enjoy your genre of choice.

mrwolf beat me to my own defense. I was basically going to say the same stuff.

Yes, yours, and every single other post or opinion until it is released is speculation. Unless, by some armegedden leaving only one person alive or a time-space glitch, you manage to make up exactly 100% of the worldwide consumer market.

Finally, I have played the beta. It's a really good system and concept. Some server lag hurts it, balancing is comeing, and polish is needed. Much potential. I can only see it getting better with patches and time. Again, It's beta. Also, go look at the WoW patch archive. If you came later, you will probably be surprised to see how much "Game-defining" features weren't added until well after launch, and of course, even more after beta.

Xbuster231

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Jetrpg

Not really a troll post, i feel it, id say 4 months.

vazzaroth

I like it. But I don't even think it's a matter of whether its a good game or not. It's just not the type of candidate for games that end up F2P...

Grimm666

I doubt TR will go F2P. More likely, it'll go the AA route if it doesn't meet NCSoft's subscription standards (i.e. make a profit). That is they'll announce they've written off the game in the first or second quarterly post-release and about a year later, they'd fully pull the plug on the game.

If TR fails like AA did (and I can't say whether I believe that's reasonable), then I think an 18 month lifetime is a reasonable guess. But I doubt it'll go free since the servers and cost structure probably aren't set up for it like Dungeon Runners or even Guild Wars.

RadioMaryja

hopefully not - at least till AoC comes out. otherwise i wont have nothing serious to play. usually all f2p and micropayment games become crapz0r.  And i like TR actually. Already got one of my friends into it and hopefully few others gonna play that aswell.

fozzie22

Originally posted by jayheld90

Originally posted by vazzaroth


Firstly, I think you are underestimating TR. Of course, all that any of us can do is speculate, but I think it will be fairly successful. People too often decide that if it's not as big as WoW, it's unsuccessful. Defenantly not true.
Secondly, I highly doubt it will go Cash shop. I don't think that any of NCsoft's games (Not totally sure) use that price plan, and it's fairly uncommon outside of Asian MMOs. I guess it could go GW style, but I doubt that as well. That kind of payment would usually require a game to be built from the ground up to accommodate it.

only speculate? im in the beta...the game is nothing special at all, it is in fact quite a boring, repetitive game.

Yeah im in too and im underwhelmed by it so far..hopefully it'll pick up soon.

vazzaroth

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Originally posted by fozzie22
Originally posted by jayheld90
Originally posted by vazzaroth Firstly, I think you are underestimating TR. Of course, all that any of us can do is speculate, but I think it will be fairly successful. People too often decide that if it's not as big as WoW, it's unsuccessful. Defenantly not true.
Secondly, I highly doubt it will go Cash shop. I don't think that any of NCsoft's games (Not totally sure) use that price plan, and it's fairly uncommon outside of Asian MMOs. I guess it could go GW style, but I doubt that as well. That kind of payment would usually require a game to be built from the ground up to accommodate it.

only speculate? im in the beta...the game is nothing special at all, it is in fact quite a boring, repetitive game.

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Yeah im in too and im underwhelmed by it so far..hopefully it'll pick up soon.

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I'm not gonna be like "OMG U SAID IT WAS JUST OK! U TROLL! GTFO!", but just remember... Betas suck. If you sorta think it'll be cool, try a trial when it goes live. MMOs are like wines, most get better with age. If they don't, we're better off without them.

fozzie22

I agree betas are for sorting the problems out with the game to me at least its all a little underwhelming at the moment but i still have hopes this will change..i maybe just be getting old and have been bitten to many times by MMO's that promise the world and deliver nothing

ryman

 

Originally posted by jayheld90

Originally posted by vazzaroth


Firstly, I think you are underestimating TR. Of course, all that any of us can do is speculate, but I think it will be fairly successful. People too often decide that if it's not as big as WoW, it's unsuccessful. Defenantly not true.
Secondly, I highly doubt it will go Cash shop. I don't think that any of NCsoft's games (Not totally sure) use that price plan, and it's fairly uncommon outside of Asian MMOs. I guess it could go GW style, but I doubt that as well. That kind of payment would usually require a game to be built from the ground up to accommodate it.

only speculate? im in the beta...the game is nothing special at all, it is in fact quite a boring, repetitive game.

 

Riiiiiiighhhht.. nothing special.. boring and repetitive. Lets go through the facts now:

1 - Fast paced FPS-like gameplay in a MMO. Which has a xp system set up in which eliminates grinds, no matter what skill tree you train up.

2 - Innovating system and scenary. The graphics are terrific and fit the setting of going into a war torn planet, not to mention the story.

3 - Immersive. You can't just wonder around the landscape and expect to not get flanked by a bunch of enemies being dropped off by a transport, or a mechanical bot crashing in. Not to mention the NPCs are also fighting the entire time, which gives it a battle scene feel to the game.

4 - AI. Probably the best AI I have ever seen in any MMORPG. Period. You never know whats going to come out after you.

5 - Strategy. Some weapons effect the enemy more than the others, not to mention you have to watch your ammo supply and predict which weapon will be appropiate for the given situation. You have to take cover when fighting, or they'll just wipe the floor clean of you.

6 - Control. The bane can take control of outposts and you can take them back. Adds a sense of personal achievement, not to mention these outposts can have perks.

7 - Instances. Sounds like a bad thing eh?. No, not here, Guild Wars maybe.. but not here. You can choose to go into the more populated areas or an underpopulated area. See a prick getting your quest mob, there not enough mobs, or you want to take a bane controlled post on a different instance.. pick a different instance. Want to group and fight with others, choose the more populated one. This gives you freedom of choice in where you want play, it does not limit you.

....and the list goes on.

- So to say this game is/should be F2P, is a complete disrespect to the developers and fans of the game. You know what? Maybe your WoW should be F2P, because I don't see it pouring out half the shit this offers.. but then again I'm not a prick.

P.S. - Don't really care if I broke the NDA, even though I try hard not to.

sartorius

Originally posted by bleyzwun


NCSoft isnt a bootleg MMO company.  The only F2P they have is dungeon runners and its always been F2P.  Basically, this game will never go F2P.  I would be extremely surprised if it did.  Shit, I would be less surprised if they just killed it if it was doing that badly.

Incorrect, GuildWars is NCSoft as well and TR seems to look as if it's using the same engine as well as system model for design - from what I've seen in videos, reminds me a lot of GW in those respects.

I could see it going the GW direction, and to be brutally honest I think doing so would probably be the best bet for game.

 

 

Die_Scream

Originally posted by ryman


 
 
Riiiiiiighhhht.. nothing special.. boring and repetitive. Lets go through the facts now:
....and the list goes on.

Not to nit-pick, but I don't see many actual facts in that list, mostly your opinions. Though I agree with you for the most part.