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D&D 4th edition and DDO
jala001
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WotC has announced the launch of D&D 4th edition on mid 2008. Since DDO is using 3.5e rules, whatever shall happen to the MMO game? Is it still going to run even after 4th edition has been out, and even when (presumably) a MMO based on that edition will be designed? Or is the game going to shut down (either with a loud bang or slowly die out)?
Check out the info of 4th edition in WotC's official site:
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Well if you look at the changes from 3.0 to 3.5 it really wasn’t that much… other than some real balance issues with rangers. My hope would be that DDO would stick with the 3.5 rule set but I think it would really depend on what the license agreement turbine has with wizards of the cost says. They may have only agreed to the 3.5 rule set. If that is the case then we would see no change at all. But if turbine had agreed to do what ever wizards of the coast says they would have to change the game to accommodate. Which could be very bad for players. Every time you change the rules on an MMO you run the risk of pissing off players and pissed off players don’t stick around very long. Also you could run into unbalanced equipment. Items that were in 3.5 may not be around in 4.0 which would create issues. But again my hope would be that they wouldn’t change it and cause themselves even more problems.
As a response to the comment how 3.0 and 3.5 were not that different, I can kind of agree. However, the differences between 3.5 and 4.0 are going to be a bit extreme. I've been told that WotC stated that characters created in a 3.5 rule set will not be all that compatable in a 4.0 game. With a lot of work you may be able to get it through, but not too easily. If you read the article posted, it should explain the differences. As for the future of DDO, I think it will be a slow decline. Maybe they will try to expand DDO with a hybrid of 3.5 and 4.0 (as to how, no idea, as to why, again, no idea), but thats just a guess!
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The differences in 4.0 are marginal at best, and will have zero effect on DDO. If you look at what's been actually released, it's epic levels starting at 30...we're not at 20 yet anyways. No Prestige Classes...we don't have them anyways. Designed for a faster roll up game, and most of those changes are things DDO implemented on their own anyways.
The differences I've seen in 4.0 have been very different, not near marginal. I don't want to seem combative, and maybe my info will prove to be wrong, but what I've heard has been very different. I've heard that they are implementing weapon speeds, instead of just going turn based, also different weapons will rely on different stats, for example, a dagger may become more useful the greater your dex and an axe may become more useful with a higher con. I've also heard that races will play more into the advancement of your character. So, instead of, at level 1, getting x and y for being whatever race, you'll get better improvements as you move on due to your race. Are these groundbreaking? Maybe, maybe not, but it sure does sound very different from 3.5
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Thing is though Thal, I am saying it's marginally different than DDO...not 3.5 D&D.
The weapon speed changes and changes to turn based play seems to completely jibe with DDO's combat system already, and the racial situation you're talking about sounds very similar to the race based enhancements we already have. That's what I mean, I think DDO will prove to be closer to 4.0 than 3.5 on a lot of levels already.
I haven't seen either 3.5 or the new 4.0 stuff, but I keep reading comments on the official DDO forums that 4.0 is actually bringing the pnp gameplay closer to what DDO is already doing.
Who knows? Guess we'll find out next year when the 4.0 books actually hit the streets.
According to this article:
www.mmognation.com
The new 4th edition D&D will have NO impact on the MMO. Of course, that's the plan now...
Ah, sorry Vince, guess I misunderstood. And, to be really honest, its been a while since I've played DDO. There may well be no change to DDO at the onset of 4.0, and that's fine. I guess the only huge difference is going to be the way races are done. Instead of a set list of things you get on the creation, in 4.0 you'll get something each and every level. According to what I've heard there will be no wasted levels (you know, all those levels that all you get is more hp) and no dump stats.
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Yep, that's exactly what I mean about DDO being even more similar to 4.0 already. With the racial enhancement system you get exactly that right now in DDO. In other words, a Dwarf in DDO can get an armor bonus at level 1, a Combat DC bonus at level 2, a Con bonus at level 3, Spell Defense at level 4, etc. (something not in 3.5 rules at all, and only DDO has).
Ah, I didn't remember that from DDO. I guess it has been that long....
I hereby recind all my comments that say that DDO will be outdated by 4.0 in these ways! Use my posts only as a comparison between 3.5 and 4.0 until I've played DDO again as it seems my memory is tainted.... stupid tainted memory...
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Yeah, it's kind of interesting actually Thal, because enhancements were a DDO creation from start to finish (not in D&D at all). They were then later revamped a lot, which most people loved, and perhaps because it was such a hit it saw it's way into the 4.0 system.
When did the revamp happen? was it recently?
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First of all thanks to the OP - the original post -Thank You- I hadn't heard that yet.
I have to agree the point that Enhancements were DDO - what was commonly pointed out was that alot of the enhancements (of which you get as many as 5 per level - DDO instituted "sub-level" ranks because of the level vs MMO issue) -were actualy more powerful than FEATS which one gets 1/3 levels (generally).
The changes sound pretty... huh. Wow. Actually remind me of various optional rules & variants (read any of Monty Cook's work since he ledt WOTC?)... but you're saying this is to the BASE / core rules set?
...Sounds like I have some reading to do.
It was the Academy Training release, back in March.
http://www.ddo.com/article/848
Pretty complete revamp of the entire system, definitely for the better in my mind.
Nice, I may just have to come back and see what its all about.
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Although I'd never recommend not just going ahead and resubscribing
I'm guessing we'll see another "welcome back weekend" around the Mod 5 release in a week or so where you could test it for free.
Well, how very conveniant that this may be happening next week and I will be getting my new computer parts this week....
Where some see coincidence, I see providence....
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4.0 will also radically change the non casters class, adding a sort of energy to them, like casters have mana.
In addition there is a fighter exclusive system for weapons that they get access to different abilities depending on the weapon they use.
I would not say that the 3.5-4.0 differences are marginals. Can't really say about the DDO-4.0 differences but for those two up there.
"If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, if you teach him how to fish, you feed him for a lifetime"
why can't they add a sort of energy to them called "stamina" and the more crazy shit you do you get tired?
insteadof running out of mana there'd be a reason for non-casters to NOT do their most draining moves every single attack; other than a bizarre "timer"