Umm, in WoW Alliance outnumbers Horde. 1.3:1. The 2 most popular classes are the Human and Night Elf both belonging to Alliance. Blood Elf is third, which has helped even out the sides a bit. The ugliest and meanest, which I consider Orc and Troll are the two least played races. Not sure why you are thinking peolpe choose the biggest, meanest, ugliest toons, when the evidence says otherwise.
I also suspect your assumptions in VG are probably just as wrong.
Because wow is for little emo rp kids. War will be dominated by hardcore pvpers, which do tend to flock to the badguy faction.
"It is in your nature to do one thing correctly; Before me, you rightfully tremble. But, fear is not what you owe me. You owe me awe." ~Francis Dolarhyde
I think you are under estimating the allure of the order races. I know for myself I started off wanting to be a Chosen, then I read up more on Dwarfs and they are the race for me.
People take the polls on these forums for a general truth.. First off all these polls are just made to speculate and enjoy ourselves with debating and sharing information. Second, Warhammer will attract a huge amount of people and the younger part or the part that are new to MMO's will be in large numbers too. And those players will mostly go for order, to be the heroes who vanquish all evil or that nice looking elf. Most people who post on these forums have a lot of experience with MMO's and are more grown up. So it's normal that the posters here lean more towards destruction. So that's why all polls here give the result with Destruction outnumbering Order. But I'm still convinced that Order won't be beaten in numbers by destruction, I even think that Order will outnumber destruction. Altough the Dark Elf race lures some good part of the new population towards destruction.. It'll balance out.
When I was kid I wanted to play bad races to beat up those good guys that want to be heroes. Same did my friends.
Also when I was playing WoW my guild was on alliance side(that was year ago), those guys were older then me and all of them wanted to go to play WAR on evil side. Everyone wanted to play DE since they look similar to NE (I mean sharp ears and dark skin). I know abut 40 alliance players which going to play "bad" side
Just think if everyone who plays NE will roll on DE plus kids who like playing DE too.
Oh yeah, this is my opinion so saying "this will not happend" or another useless thing will not work.
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I think the number of people that are going to want to play Warrior Priests will balance it all out. Ok, joking aside, it's hard to tell at this point. Non-hard corps types tend to go to the pretty races which are going to be the High Elves and the Humans. Just my 2¢.
Yah.. cause we know that the Witch Elves are ugly as sin
WoW Alliance outnumbered Horde because Horde races (until Blood Elves) were posture-challenged, ugly races. Most players simply do not identify strongly with "ugly" races.
Both Order and Destruction in WAR have their share of "attractive" avatars so choosing between Empire and Chaos or High Elf and Dark Elf will be less problematic.
Many of the so-called "Good" races will have "badass" stamped all over them ... just as the "Evil" races will ... making class-choice more important than mere "good vs. evil" decisions.
People take the polls on these forums for a general truth.. First off all these polls are just made to speculate and enjoy ourselves with debating and sharing information. Second, Warhammer will attract a huge amount of people and the younger part or the part that are new to MMO's will be in large numbers too. And those players will mostly go for order, to be the heroes who vanquish all evil or that nice looking elf. Most people who post on these forums have a lot of experience with MMO's and are more grown up. So it's normal that the posters here lean more towards destruction. So that's why all polls here give the result with Destruction outnumbering Order. But I'm still convinced that Order won't be beaten in numbers by destruction, I even think that Order will outnumber destruction. Altough the Dark Elf race lures some good part of the new population towards destruction.. It'll balance out.
When I was kid I wanted to play bad races to beat up those good guys that want to be heroes. Same did my friends.
Also when I was playing WoW my guild was on alliance side(that was year ago), those guys were older then me and all of them wanted to go to play WAR on evil side. Everyone wanted to play DE since they look similar to NE (I mean sharp ears and dark skin). I know abut 40 alliance players which going to play "bad" side
Just think if everyone who plays NE will roll on DE plus kids who like playing DE too.
Oh yeah, this is my opinion so saying "this will not happend" or another useless thing will not work.
Dark ELves from Warhammer look nothing like Warcraft's night Elves.
Night Elves - Massively out of proportion ears with dark blue/purple/pink skin
Dark Elves - Smaller more in proportion ears and skin so pale it borders on being completely white, they also usually have long jet black hair.
Look at the WAR official trailer and watch the Elves, neither of them look remotely like a Night Elf.
It doesn't matter, their look more similar to DE then HE.
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Even when I planned to go Horde when WoW came out, I just wanted to play a paladin a little... just to know what it was like...
By that time it was too late.. my friends had all gone Alliance as well, got attached to their characters and would not follow me to horde...
So I was stuck
This time thought I really really want a war priest of sigmar.. Im going Destruction just to break out of my habit. Not an ork mind you... I would have too many WoW flashbacks and probably wonder why I cant roll a Black Ork Shaman...
Seriously, i keep hearing this good vs evil thing over and over again. This games morality isnt split on those axis, there is Chaos and Law.
The Order side (the one ppl keep calling "good") will be just as evil as the Destruction side. Instead of twisted mutations from the Warp and Chaos Chosen, there wil be WitchHunters burning ppl at the stake and Arcoflagelants(sp?) giving penance by beating the crap out of Heritics.
I am concerned with a potentialy overwhemling imbalance, but from the sounds of things it will be easy to find somthing else kickarse to play
Nope -- not going to happen. WoW Alliance outnumbered Horde because Horde races (until Blood Elves) were posture-challenged, ugly races. Most players simply do not identify strongly with "ugly" races. Both Order and Destruction in WAR have their share of "attractive" avatars so choosing between Empire and Chaos or High Elf and Dark Elf will be less problematic. Many of the so-called "Good" races will have "badass" stamped all over them ... just as the "Evil" races will ... making class-choice more important than mere "good vs. evil" decisions.
What evidence do you have that the look and so called "ugliness" of the horde affected its player base? any? none? no official poles? no actual surveys? no sample selections? no, I know because I have looked. Its bull. People may have chosen alliance over horde for hundreds of reasons. One being, oh..I don't know, the fact that they where overly popular in one and two due to the knights and the fact that main campaign in one centered on humans and elves? It could have been any number of reasons. I don't know, you don't know, no one does.
I find it kinda funny, I find it kinda sad, The dreams in which I'm dieing are the best I've ever had.
I believe in the end the two factions will be balanced, but may vary time to time, and server to server. Even though many people on multiple forums vote for destruction you have to remember that forum readers/posters are a minority compared to the masses.
People take the polls on these forums for a general truth.. First off all these polls are just made to speculate and enjoy ourselves with debating and sharing information. Second, Warhammer will attract a huge amount of people and the younger part or the part that are new to MMO's will be in large numbers too. And those players will mostly go for order, to be the heroes who vanquish all evil or that nice looking elf. Most people who post on these forums have a lot of experience with MMO's and are more grown up. So it's normal that the posters here lean more towards destruction. So that's why all polls here give the result with Destruction outnumbering Order. But I'm still convinced that Order won't be beaten in numbers by destruction, I even think that Order will outnumber destruction. Altough the Dark Elf race lures some good part of the new population towards destruction.. It'll balance out.
When I was kid I wanted to play bad races to beat up those good guys that want to be heroes. Same did my friends.
Also when I was playing WoW my guild was on alliance side(that was year ago), those guys were older then me and all of them wanted to go to play WAR on evil side. Everyone wanted to play DE since they look similar to NE (I mean sharp ears and dark skin). I know abut 40 alliance players which going to play "bad" side
Just think if everyone who plays NE will roll on DE plus kids who like playing DE too.
Oh yeah, this is my opinion so saying "this will not happend" or another useless thing will not work.
Dark ELves from Warhammer look nothing like Warcraft's night Elves.
Night Elves - Massively out of proportion ears with dark blue/purple/pink skin
Dark Elves - Smaller more in proportion ears and skin so pale it borders on being completely white, they also usually have long jet black hair.
Look at the WAR official trailer and watch the Elves, neither of them look remotely like a Night Elf.
It doesn't matter, their look more similar to DE then HE.
Honestly they don't, DE and HE look the same but with different armour beacuse they are the same race, it's a civil war. In WoW there are two different races of Elves that look completely different from each other.
Who cares about armor or other stuff you can put on? Even a kid will tell you NE look closer to DE then HE.
It's just small details, no one cares if NE's ears longer then DE's or hair color, or even armor difference, those things are trivial.
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Hmm no matter how it pans out I think I will go for the side that is outnumbered, even if it means giving up on the race I wanted, I learnt my lesson from WoW. Though fingers crossed I hope it's even or at the very least Order will outnumber Destruction so that I can roll a beloved Chaos.
WoW Alliance outnumbered Horde because Horde races (until Blood Elves) were posture-challenged, ugly races. Most players simply do not identify strongly with "ugly" races.
Both Order and Destruction in WAR have their share of "attractive" avatars so choosing between Empire and Chaos or High Elf and Dark Elf will be less problematic.
Many of the so-called "Good" races will have "badass" stamped all over them ... just as the "Evil" races will ... making class-choice more important than mere "good vs. evil" decisions.
What evidence do you have that the look and so called "ugliness" of the horde affected its player base? any? none? no official poles? no actual surveys? no sample selections? no, I know because I have looked. Its bull. People may have chosen alliance over horde for hundreds of reasons. One being, oh..I don't know, the fact that they where overly popular in one and two due to the knights and the fact that main campaign in one centered on humans and elves? It could have been any number of reasons. I don't know, you don't know, no one does.
Evidence? Oh, I don't know -- how about a million freaking comments on the WoW Forums heavily criticizing Blizzard for making ALL Horde avatars both "stooped over" and "ugly." Numerous repeated posts telling Blizzard that the Horde races and the Horde environments were ugly and that the players didn't want ugly characters. You don't need polls, surveys or sample selections for this -- it's on their FORUMS! Probably the only place you forgot to look for information, eh?
Did you even notice that the Blood Elves were purposely made to be a "pretty" race? This was in direct response to the "ugly Horde" coments that players have made about WoW from the very beginning.
People didn't choose Alliance over Horde for "hundreds of reasons." They choose Alliance because Alliance had the more attractive races. This has been stated on the WoW Forums for years now.
And, just because YOU don't know this doesn't mean that I don't know this. In fact, nearly everybody who is even basically aware of WoW races is completely aware of this "attractive vs. ugly" avatar-choice dynamic. Some players specifically like "ugly" avatars, but the majority of players prefer "attractive" avatars. And, frankly, if you cannot find polls, surveys or sample selections to confirm that ... you aren't even looking.
And that, my friend, is exactly why players choose initially certain races over others: it's the looks.
Nope -- not going to happen. WoW Alliance outnumbered Horde because Horde races (until Blood Elves) were posture-challenged, ugly races. Most players simply do not identify strongly with "ugly" races. Both Order and Destruction in WAR have their share of "attractive" avatars so choosing between Empire and Chaos or High Elf and Dark Elf will be less problematic. Many of the so-called "Good" races will have "badass" stamped all over them ... just as the "Evil" races will ... making class-choice more important than mere "good vs. evil" decisions.
What evidence do you have that the look and so called "ugliness" of the horde affected its player base? any? none? no official poles? no actual surveys? no sample selections? no, I know because I have looked. Its bull. People may have chosen alliance over horde for hundreds of reasons. One being, oh..I don't know, the fact that they where overly popular in one and two due to the knights and the fact that main campaign in one centered on humans and elves? It could have been any number of reasons. I don't know, you don't know, no one does.
Evidence? Oh, I don't know -- how about a million freaking comments on the WoW Forums heavily criticizing Blizzard for making ALL Horde avatars both "stooped over" and "ugly." Numerous repeated posts telling Blizzard that the Horde races and the Horde environments were ugly and that the players didn't want ugly characters. You don't need polls, surveys or sample selections for this -- it's on their FORUMS! Probably the only place you forgot to look for information, eh? Did you even notice that the Blood Elves were purposely made to be a "pretty" race? This was in direct response to the "ugly Horde" coments that players have made about WoW from the very beginning. People didn't choose Alliance over Horde for "hundreds of reasons." They choose Alliance because Alliance had the more attractive races. This has been stated on the WoW Forums for years now. And, just because YOU don't know this doesn't mean that I don't know this. In fact, nearly everybody who is even basically aware of WoW races is completely aware of this "attractive vs. ugly" avatar-choice dynamic. Some players specifically like "ugly" avatars, but the majority of players prefer "attractive" avatars. And, frankly, if you cannot find polls, surveys or sample selections to confirm that ... you aren't even looking. And that, my friend, is exactly why players choose initially certain races over others: it's the looks.
That is buying into the vocal minority if you listen to the wow forumites. Lets be honest, out of 9 million subscribers, listening to the 50,000, or even 100,000 formers is a little bit out of proportion. I chose alliance because they had dwarfs. When I rolled my horde character, I chose tauren for the 5% stam boost. Not once because of looks. You can not base your ideas on a forum poll and hope its accurate.
If you can link me to a poll that has a decent sample size, including mix gender, race, and nationality, then I will believe you. Until then, everything is based on an assumption.
I find it kinda funny, I find it kinda sad, The dreams in which I'm dieing are the best I've ever had.
If you look back at the history of MMO's you will see the trend has never changed.
EQ/EQ2:Good outnumber eveil to point of the evil guys not even wanting to pvp half the time. It was Horrble.
SWG: Rebels outnumbered Imperials 6:1 on weekends and 3:1 during the week, but it was a painfully apparent imbalance.
I don't think it's actually the look of the character(though that is important to alot of people) I think it's actually what I like to call the Hero factor. This accounts that alot of players want to be the hero. In SWG everybody wanted to be a Jedi...Why? Because the Jedi were the heroes. Very few wanted to be sith and that made for some difficult fights in that game.
Look at Lotr, they don't even have good vs. Evil. Everybody is "good" but you have to level up separately to become evil and it's a harder path imo.
The bottom line is that alot of players want to be the hero and they see no gain in being evil. Alot of people here at MMORPG.com are old school pvpers and like to be evil like myself. We will all meet up with destruction as our banner and all the kids who defect from WoW will end up on order. So be it, we;re better pvpers anyways.
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If you look back at the history of MMO's you will see the trend has never changed. EQ/EQ2:Good outnumber eveil to point of the evil guys not even wanting to pvp half the time. It was Horrble. SWG: Rebels outnumbered Imperials 6:1 on weekends and 3:1 during the week, but it was a painfully apparent imbalance. I don't think it's actually the look of the character(though that is important to alot of people) I think it's actually what I like to call the Hero factor. This accounts that alot of players want to be the hero. In SWG everybody wanted to be a Jedi...Why? Because the Jedi were the heroes. Very few wanted to be sith and that made for some difficult fights in that game.
I agree regarding the hero factor, and I feel it is underestimated, too. I think it is a more important argument than "pretty vs. attractive" as well, really.
While I am no psychologist, I would argue that via books, movies, etc., we are conditioned to admire heroes and, when possible, attempt to emulate them, since they are the pinnacle of success. Heroes get respect, fame, chicks, fortunes, etc. The "bad guys" get put in prison, exiled, killed, or end up changing to the side of good in a dramatic turn of events. They are also not the focus of stories (usually), which tend to follow the hero around on his quest to save the world, not follow the villain around on his mission to destroy it.
So, I think that fairly one-sided exposure to good vs. evil means something. For as many people who think playing evil is neat and cool, I think there are far more who would rather play the role of the knight in shining armour who saves the day, since I think most of us like to believe, like fiction tells us, that good triumphs over evil, and we want to be on the triumphant side.
As a side note, I am fairly tired of people saying that there is no good and evil in WAR. Spin it however you want, the fact remains that Destruction is the one pushing Order around, attempting to slaughter everyone and take over everything. Have the races of Order done some despicable things in the past? Oh, certainly. However, Destruction most certainly is the evil aggressor disrupting the peace in this case, and EA Mythic is going with that since it makes a better story and game than one that is neutral. All of the lore used for WAR basically describes Order as sitting around, minding their own business, when this nutty Dark Elf Malekith decides he is pissed off about being screwed out of being king of the Elves and bitter about losing the civil war, and so engineers a massive plot to destroy everything, especially the High Elves - that seems pretty evil to me. They have even stated in interviews how Destruction is "evil"...they are not ambivalent on the matter and are not trying to make a game where either side can be viewed as being correct from a traditional view of what is good. If you choose Destruction, you are choosing to fight on the evil side, even if you yourself are not evil, and if you are choose Order, you are choosing to fight on the side of good, even if you yourself are not good.
In WAR, the draw will be individual races, I believe. In WoW, you usually choose a faction, THEN a race. In WAR, each race is so fleshed out and has it's own style/culture, that players will choose a race regardless of faction. In WoW, most of a race's "feeling" and style were just based off of their horde/alliance allegiance.
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The most popular WOW races are humans night elves and undead with Blood elfs closing in slowly but most people are Undead because they have the best racials.
I see Warhammer Online being more even because both sides offer unique classes to each race. The Destruction arn't all that great because Orcs are a niche loved race from warhammer fans and chaos all look crap but the heavy armored class. The Dark elves will attract people but we havn't seen them all yet and to be honest most people still want to play characters on a good side or that they could see as themselves. So the Humans have a evry nice looking towns and races so i think they'll be mighty popular i also think High elves will be popular because of the leagolas lovers + swordmasters and stuff. The Dwarf race will probably be the least played because they always are as people don't want to be short, so they better give a great incentive to play them.
The emulation of heroes, or the "Hero theory" is a pretty good one. I never really put it down to that, but it sounds more plausible than the "ZOMGLOLSEXYRACES" Theory. Sure, attractiveness brings in a small number of players, its bound to happen, I won't deny it, I just don't think that its as big as everyone makes it out to be. For one thing, most people don't like change or random destruction. (notice, I said MOST). They enjoy nice, orderly events, with something to depend on. This alone makes me feel that order will outnumber destruction. I hate to say it like that, but lets face it, who wants to emulate, in the end, something that embodies the negative half of you?
Orcs: This is our tendency towards random and unnecessary violence. Thats what this race was intended to embody, although comical, it still embodies a negative aspect. It also encompass the negative aspect of hierarchy and how the larger and more powerful tend to feed of the meeker.
Dark elves: They are the embodiment of our narcissistic self image, our drug addictions, our self entitlement.
Chaos: They are the embodiment of out de-evolution, the slow yet eventual decay to immoral life styles and practices. They embody irony as fear of this causes even the most well meaning people to act in fear and in some cases, harm their own and the innocent out of the very fear of change, even if the change doesn't bring destruction.
I find it kinda funny, I find it kinda sad, The dreams in which I'm dieing are the best I've ever had.
my experience is the exact opposite of the orig poster. in MMOs and CS.
in wow all the noobs(and there were a lot) played alliance. and in CS i will switch to balance out teams because it actually does (balance) when a good person switches... more noobs is just more fodder. can usually sway pubs one way or the other
i think that it will vary from server to server. but it should balance out because they want to make battle group type things like in wow. dunno' if they are or not because it does some negative stuff also.
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Because wow is for little emo rp kids. War will be dominated by hardcore pvpers, which do tend to flock to the badguy faction.
"It is in your nature to do one thing correctly; Before me, you rightfully tremble. But, fear is not what you owe me. You owe me awe." ~Francis Dolarhyde
I think you are under estimating the allure of the order races. I know for myself I started off wanting to be a Chosen, then I read up more on Dwarfs and they are the race for me.
When I was kid I wanted to play bad races to beat up those good guys that want to be heroes. Same did my friends.
Also when I was playing WoW my guild was on alliance side(that was year ago), those guys were older then me and all of them wanted to go to play WAR on evil side. Everyone wanted to play DE since they look similar to NE (I mean sharp ears and dark skin). I know abut 40 alliance players which going to play "bad" side
Just think if everyone who plays NE will roll on DE plus kids who like playing DE too.
Oh yeah, this is my opinion so saying "this will not happend" or another useless thing will not work.
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Yah.. cause we know that the Witch Elves are ugly as sin
Well, if you believe this to be true, there is two ways to look at it:
1) "OMG THIS GAME SUCKS WE ARE ALWAYS OUTNUMBERED AND WE CAN'T WIN" - The Sissy Way
2) "Stop your whining! We just have more targets to aim at than they do!" - The Correct Way
i doubt it'll be like that.... im pretty sure it will be balanced.
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Nope -- not going to happen.
WoW Alliance outnumbered Horde because Horde races (until Blood Elves) were posture-challenged, ugly races. Most players simply do not identify strongly with "ugly" races.
Both Order and Destruction in WAR have their share of "attractive" avatars so choosing between Empire and Chaos or High Elf and Dark Elf will be less problematic.
Many of the so-called "Good" races will have "badass" stamped all over them ... just as the "Evil" races will ... making class-choice more important than mere "good vs. evil" decisions.
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When I was kid I wanted to play bad races to beat up those good guys that want to be heroes. Same did my friends.
Also when I was playing WoW my guild was on alliance side(that was year ago), those guys were older then me and all of them wanted to go to play WAR on evil side. Everyone wanted to play DE since they look similar to NE (I mean sharp ears and dark skin). I know abut 40 alliance players which going to play "bad" side
Just think if everyone who plays NE will roll on DE plus kids who like playing DE too.
Oh yeah, this is my opinion so saying "this will not happend" or another useless thing will not work.
Dark ELves from Warhammer look nothing like Warcraft's night Elves.Night Elves - Massively out of proportion ears with dark blue/purple/pink skin
Dark Elves - Smaller more in proportion ears and skin so pale it borders on being completely white, they also usually have long jet black hair.
Look at the WAR official trailer and watch the Elves, neither of them look remotely like a Night Elf.
It doesn't matter, their look more similar to DE then HE.
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I always start out on the good order side...
Even when I planned to go Horde when WoW came out, I just wanted to play a paladin a little... just to know what it was like...
By that time it was too late.. my friends had all gone Alliance as well, got attached to their characters and would not follow me to horde...
So I was stuck
This time thought I really really want a war priest of sigmar.. Im going Destruction just to break out of my habit. Not an ork mind you... I would have too many WoW flashbacks and probably wonder why I cant roll a Black Ork Shaman...
Seriously, i keep hearing this good vs evil thing over and over again. This games morality isnt split on those axis, there is Chaos and Law.
The Order side (the one ppl keep calling "good") will be just as evil as the Destruction side. Instead of twisted mutations from the Warp and Chaos Chosen, there wil be WitchHunters burning ppl at the stake and Arcoflagelants(sp?) giving penance by beating the crap out of Heritics.
I am concerned with a potentialy overwhemling imbalance, but from the sounds of things it will be easy to find somthing else kickarse to play
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I find it kinda funny, I find it kinda sad, The dreams in which I'm dieing are the best I've ever had.
i think the gap will be smaller than most would expect.
the classes on the order are sweet too and not to mention to human/elf factor (you all know the one i mean
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I believe in the end the two factions will be balanced, but may vary time to time, and server to server. Even though many people on multiple forums vote for destruction you have to remember that forum readers/posters are a minority compared to the masses.
When I was kid I wanted to play bad races to beat up those good guys that want to be heroes. Same did my friends.
Also when I was playing WoW my guild was on alliance side(that was year ago), those guys were older then me and all of them wanted to go to play WAR on evil side. Everyone wanted to play DE since they look similar to NE (I mean sharp ears and dark skin). I know abut 40 alliance players which going to play "bad" side
Just think if everyone who plays NE will roll on DE plus kids who like playing DE too.
Oh yeah, this is my opinion so saying "this will not happend" or another useless thing will not work.
Dark ELves from Warhammer look nothing like Warcraft's night Elves.Night Elves - Massively out of proportion ears with dark blue/purple/pink skin
Dark Elves - Smaller more in proportion ears and skin so pale it borders on being completely white, they also usually have long jet black hair.
Look at the WAR official trailer and watch the Elves, neither of them look remotely like a Night Elf.
It doesn't matter, their look more similar to DE then HE.
Honestly they don't, DE and HE look the same but with different armour beacuse they are the same race, it's a civil war. In WoW there are two different races of Elves that look completely different from each other.Who cares about armor or other stuff you can put on? Even a kid will tell you NE look closer to DE then HE.
It's just small details, no one cares if NE's ears longer then DE's or hair color, or even armor difference, those things are trivial.
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Hmm no matter how it pans out I think I will go for the side that is outnumbered, even if it means giving up on the race I wanted, I learnt my lesson from WoW. Though fingers crossed I hope it's even or at the very least Order will outnumber Destruction so that I can roll a beloved Chaos.
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What evidence do you have that the look and so called "ugliness" of the horde affected its player base? any? none? no official poles? no actual surveys? no sample selections? no, I know because I have looked. Its bull. People may have chosen alliance over horde for hundreds of reasons. One being, oh..I don't know, the fact that they where overly popular in one and two due to the knights and the fact that main campaign in one centered on humans and elves? It could have been any number of reasons. I don't know, you don't know, no one does.Evidence? Oh, I don't know -- how about a million freaking comments on the WoW Forums heavily criticizing Blizzard for making ALL Horde avatars both "stooped over" and "ugly." Numerous repeated posts telling Blizzard that the Horde races and the Horde environments were ugly and that the players didn't want ugly characters. You don't need polls, surveys or sample selections for this -- it's on their FORUMS! Probably the only place you forgot to look for information, eh?
Did you even notice that the Blood Elves were purposely made to be a "pretty" race? This was in direct response to the "ugly Horde" coments that players have made about WoW from the very beginning.
People didn't choose Alliance over Horde for "hundreds of reasons." They choose Alliance because Alliance had the more attractive races. This has been stated on the WoW Forums for years now.
And, just because YOU don't know this doesn't mean that I don't know this. In fact, nearly everybody who is even basically aware of WoW races is completely aware of this "attractive vs. ugly" avatar-choice dynamic. Some players specifically like "ugly" avatars, but the majority of players prefer "attractive" avatars. And, frankly, if you cannot find polls, surveys or sample selections to confirm that ... you aren't even looking.
And that, my friend, is exactly why players choose initially certain races over others: it's the looks.
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If you can link me to a poll that has a decent sample size, including mix gender, race, and nationality, then I will believe you. Until then, everything is based on an assumption.
I find it kinda funny, I find it kinda sad, The dreams in which I'm dieing are the best I've ever had.
If you look back at the history of MMO's you will see the trend has never changed.
EQ/EQ2:Good outnumber eveil to point of the evil guys not even wanting to pvp half the time. It was Horrble.
SWG: Rebels outnumbered Imperials 6:1 on weekends and 3:1 during the week, but it was a painfully apparent imbalance.
I don't think it's actually the look of the character(though that is important to alot of people) I think it's actually what I like to call the Hero factor. This accounts that alot of players want to be the hero. In SWG everybody wanted to be a Jedi...Why? Because the Jedi were the heroes. Very few wanted to be sith and that made for some difficult fights in that game.
Look at Lotr, they don't even have good vs. Evil. Everybody is "good" but you have to level up separately to become evil and it's a harder path imo.
The bottom line is that alot of players want to be the hero and they see no gain in being evil. Alot of people here at MMORPG.com are old school pvpers and like to be evil like myself. We will all meet up with destruction as our banner and all the kids who defect from WoW will end up on order. So be it, we;re better pvpers anyways.
BRING IT ORDER!!!!!!!!!!
My pain is constant and sharp and I do not hope for a better world for anyone, in fact I want my pain to be inflicted on others. I want no one to escape, but even after admitting this there is no catharsis, my punishment continues to elude me and I gain no deeper knowledge of myself; no new knowledge can be extracted from my telling. This confession has meant nothing
I agree regarding the hero factor, and I feel it is underestimated, too. I think it is a more important argument than "pretty vs. attractive" as well, really.
While I am no psychologist, I would argue that via books, movies, etc., we are conditioned to admire heroes and, when possible, attempt to emulate them, since they are the pinnacle of success. Heroes get respect, fame, chicks, fortunes, etc. The "bad guys" get put in prison, exiled, killed, or end up changing to the side of good in a dramatic turn of events. They are also not the focus of stories (usually), which tend to follow the hero around on his quest to save the world, not follow the villain around on his mission to destroy it.
So, I think that fairly one-sided exposure to good vs. evil means something. For as many people who think playing evil is neat and cool, I think there are far more who would rather play the role of the knight in shining armour who saves the day, since I think most of us like to believe, like fiction tells us, that good triumphs over evil, and we want to be on the triumphant side.
As a side note, I am fairly tired of people saying that there is no good and evil in WAR. Spin it however you want, the fact remains that Destruction is the one pushing Order around, attempting to slaughter everyone and take over everything. Have the races of Order done some despicable things in the past? Oh, certainly. However, Destruction most certainly is the evil aggressor disrupting the peace in this case, and EA Mythic is going with that since it makes a better story and game than one that is neutral. All of the lore used for WAR basically describes Order as sitting around, minding their own business, when this nutty Dark Elf Malekith decides he is pissed off about being screwed out of being king of the Elves and bitter about losing the civil war, and so engineers a massive plot to destroy everything, especially the High Elves - that seems pretty evil to me. They have even stated in interviews how Destruction is "evil"...they are not ambivalent on the matter and are not trying to make a game where either side can be viewed as being correct from a traditional view of what is good. If you choose Destruction, you are choosing to fight on the evil side, even if you yourself are not evil, and if you are choose Order, you are choosing to fight on the side of good, even if you yourself are not good.
I've said it before in these threads:
In WAR, the draw will be individual races, I believe. In WoW, you usually choose a faction, THEN a race. In WAR, each race is so fleshed out and has it's own style/culture, that players will choose a race regardless of faction. In WoW, most of a race's "feeling" and style were just based off of their horde/alliance allegiance.
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I dont know what the OP is talking about. Warrior priest or Knight of the Blazing sun ftw.
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The most popular WOW races are humans night elves and undead with Blood elfs closing in slowly but most people are Undead because they have the best racials.
I see Warhammer Online being more even because both sides offer unique classes to each race. The Destruction arn't all that great because Orcs are a niche loved race from warhammer fans and chaos all look crap but the heavy armored class. The Dark elves will attract people but we havn't seen them all yet and to be honest most people still want to play characters on a good side or that they could see as themselves. So the Humans have a evry nice looking towns and races so i think they'll be mighty popular i also think High elves will be popular because of the leagolas lovers + swordmasters and stuff. The Dwarf race will probably be the least played because they always are as people don't want to be short, so they better give a great incentive to play them.
Me personally i'm going for Squig herder atm.
The emulation of heroes, or the "Hero theory" is a pretty good one. I never really put it down to that, but it sounds more plausible than the "ZOMGLOLSEXYRACES" Theory. Sure, attractiveness brings in a small number of players, its bound to happen, I won't deny it, I just don't think that its as big as everyone makes it out to be. For one thing, most people don't like change or random destruction. (notice, I said MOST). They enjoy nice, orderly events, with something to depend on. This alone makes me feel that order will outnumber destruction. I hate to say it like that, but lets face it, who wants to emulate, in the end, something that embodies the negative half of you?
Orcs:
This is our tendency towards random and unnecessary violence. Thats what this race was intended to embody, although comical, it still embodies a negative aspect. It also encompass the negative aspect of hierarchy and how the larger and more powerful tend to feed of the meeker.
Dark elves:
They are the embodiment of our narcissistic self image, our drug addictions, our self entitlement.
Chaos:
They are the embodiment of out de-evolution, the slow yet eventual decay to immoral life styles and practices. They embody irony as fear of this causes even the most well meaning people to act in fear and in some cases, harm their own and the innocent out of the very fear of change, even if the change doesn't bring destruction.
I find it kinda funny, I find it kinda sad, The dreams in which I'm dieing are the best I've ever had.
my experience is the exact opposite of the orig poster. in MMOs and CS.
in wow all the noobs(and there were a lot) played alliance. and in CS i will switch to balance out teams because it actually does (balance) when a good person switches... more noobs is just more fodder. can usually sway pubs one way or the other
i think that it will vary from server to server. but it should balance out because they want to make battle group type things like in wow. dunno' if they are or not because it does some negative stuff also.
die.