came back to EQ2

BenGellor

I have been back in this game for about two weeks as a retuning player , It seems to have a much larger learning curve then most MMORPGS . I have been working on this game .. and learing quite a bit , I have a lvl 19 palidan and im thinking i might need to start over as it seems the new rewards for quests are much better now then when i started in Nov 2004 ,I can say the community here is top notch , I found a great guild in one day ,

Darinius

I am thinking of giving it a go as well and am glad to hear about the community.  My concern is that the starting areas and early cities are vacant.  Is this the case?  How did you find your guild so early on?

I am also interested in how the game handles pvp?  I know there are pvp servers, but is there any type of pvp areas, zones, arenas, maps or whatever?

Thanks for any help anyone can give.

Jackdog

Since you seem to find it a challange let me give you a EQII lesson. log in look for quest icons above NPC's heads. Click on NPC, accept quest, kill xx crutters or do the fed ex , go back to original quest NPC, collect quest reward. rinse and repeat until you no longer feel like logging in anymore. not real complicated is it?

Conkerturd

Hmmm......never played EQII.  I do however know you just described LOTRO perfectly.  Go figure.

methulah

Originally posted by Jackdog


Since you seem to find it a challange let me give you a EQII lesson. log in look for quest icons above NPC's heads. Click on NPC, accept quest, kill xx crutters or do the fed ex , go back to original quest NPC, collect quest reward. rinse and repeat until you no longer feel like logging in anymore. not real complicated is it?

You aren't exactly accurate. I've got a toon to level 55 who only has something like 30 completed quests done. I've leveled through grouping through dungeons, which I've found to be an absolute blast. Some of the quests I have done, especially Heritage Quests, have been a lot more than kill x critters to collect y pelts, which means they are more interesting, especially when done in a group.

I'd suggest that before you get smarmy or superior about this game, you might want to take a lesson yourself, because a lot of people manage to enjoy the game their own way, and that could be the same way as the OP.

TehFnoRd

Originally posted by Jackdog

Originally posted by methulah


 
Originally posted by Jackdog


Since you seem to find it a challange let me give you a EQII lesson. log in look for quest icons above NPC's heads. Click on NPC, accept quest, kill xx crutters or do the fed ex , go back to original quest NPC, collect quest reward. rinse and repeat until you no longer feel like logging in anymore. not real complicated is it?

You aren't exactly accurate. I've got a toon to level 55 who only has something like 30 completed quests done. I've leveled through grouping through dungeons, which I've found to be an absolute blast. Some of the quests I have done, especially Heritage Quests, have been a lot more than kill x critters to collect y pelts, which means they are more interesting, especially when done in a group.

 

I'd suggest that before you get smarmy or superior about this game, you might want to take a lesson yourself, because a lot of people manage to enjoy the game their own way, and that could be the same way as the OP.

Som tell me oh wise one , what else is there to do?  Let's see you can do kill quests, or do fed ex quests, do collection quests and do crafting, grind AA points or just grind mobs. Did I miss anything ?

You seemed to miss that that's just about any MMORPG aswell, not only EQII. (yeye EvE sandbox yaddayadda, played it got the t-shirt) Come with something new please.

Oh before you try and get all fanboi witty, I'm not an EQII fanboi, haven't played since jan 2005.

But I'd like to know how the newbie status is of the game. getting groups etc. Been thinking of picking it up again tbh. Loved the crafting in EQII. was brilliant.

BenGellor

Originally posted by Darinius


I am thinking of giving it a go as well and am glad to hear about the community.  My concern is that the starting areas and early cities are vacant.  Is this the case?  How did you find your guild so early on?
I am also interested in how the game handles pvp?  I know there are pvp servers, but is there any type of pvp areas, zones, arenas, maps or whatever?
Thanks for any help anyone can give.

Actually , Im not sure about the pvp as im on a RP server , But the guild was very easy to find , Go to the guild tab it will list guilds that are recruting and who to contact to join it also gives a list of what the guild is about , And if the conttact person is on line all you need to do click the link and it will send them a tell , The guild find interface it  the best ive seen in any game . Actually the starting areas on my server is not too bad , But I guess alot more people are starting in the Fey land , I dont have the expantion , I just have the first eq2 box i got yrs ago.

Delphian

Originally posted by TehFnoRd

 Loved the crafting in EQII. was brilliant.

Hm. I thought the same thing.. But if you played a significantly long time ago, the crafting is sadly completely different now. It's so much faster and less complicated. It's quite trivial compared to the older system which was grueling, yet rewarding.

hercules

Originally posted by Jackdog


Since you seem to find it a challange let me give you a EQII lesson. log in look for quest icons above NPC's heads. Click on NPC, accept quest, kill xx crutters or do the fed ex , go back to original quest NPC, collect quest reward. rinse and repeat until you no longer feel like logging in anymore. not real complicated is it?

Troll 101.For someone who plays lotro i can't help but laugh.LOTRO is littered with kill x critters and fed ex and makes matter worse after you done a horribly long boring chain of it then you are now told before you can get that lovely dagger you must get a group to kill x mob with his x elite minons .Something which was not marked group quest initally suddenly has become one and then you spam hours to find a group to do it as no one is ever at same stage and the game has only 1 healer class.Uncomplicated and fustrating isn't it.

Scorchien

   lol u r clueless

 

Zsavooz

Originally posted by Jackdog


Since you seem to find it a challange let me give you a EQII lesson. log in look for quest icons above NPC's heads. Click on NPC, accept quest, kill xx crutters or do the fed ex , go back to original quest NPC, collect quest reward. rinse and repeat until you no longer feel like logging in anymore. not real complicated is it?

pretty much sums up all MMORPG;'s, doesn't it? I think what distinguishes EQ2 from the rest is a more immersive feeling than the others.

pox67

You know me and a mate just came back to EQ2 after 6-7 months away. Tried out Vanguard (stinky!) and LOTRO for a few months. Lotro was good but needs a year or so to get the features up and everything smoothed out, it just couldn't hold our attention.

EQ2 feels great and there have been a lot of changes in those 6-7 months.

Samuraisword

 

Originally posted by hercules

Originally posted by Jackdog


Since you seem to find it a challange let me give you a EQII lesson. log in look for quest icons above NPC's heads. Click on NPC, accept quest, kill xx crutters or do the fed ex , go back to original quest NPC, collect quest reward. rinse and repeat until you no longer feel like logging in anymore. not real complicated is it?

Troll 101.For someone who plays lotro i can't help but laugh.LOTRO is littered with kill x critters and fed ex and makes matter worse after you done a horribly long boring chain of it then you are now told before you can get that lovely dagger you must get a group to kill x mob with his x elite minons .Something which was not marked group quest initally suddenly has become one and then you spam hours to find a group to do it as no one is ever at same stage and the game has only 1 healer class.Uncomplicated and fustrating isn't it.

Both EQ2 and LOTRO are lame in this regard.

 

Questing in old school EQ1 where there were no icons or minimaps and you had to problemsolve all the quests above newbie level was and still is the best questing method. Using key words to unlock more useful information, which you derived thru exploration, lore, and deductive reasoning, is how a real quest system is designed.

EQ2, LOTRO, WoW, GnH, and other newer games just offer tasks. Go here, do that, kill this, all explained in painful detail so even the village idiot knows what is required. Unrealistic stupid icons show you who and minimaps with arrows show you where. If you aren't stupid when you start playing one of those games, you sure become stupid afterwards.

lomiller

Originally posted by Samuraisword


 
Originally posted by hercules

Originally posted by Jackdog


Since you seem to find it a challange let me give you a EQII lesson. log in look for quest icons above NPC's heads. Click on NPC, accept quest, kill xx crutters or do the fed ex , go back to original quest NPC, collect quest reward. rinse and repeat until you no longer feel like logging in anymore. not real complicated is it?

Troll 101.For someone who plays lotro i can't help but laugh.LOTRO is littered with kill x critters and fed ex and makes matter worse after you done a horribly long boring chain of it then you are now told before you can get that lovely dagger you must get a group to kill x mob with his x elite minons .Something which was not marked group quest initally suddenly has become one and then you spam hours to find a group to do it as no one is ever at same stage and the game has only 1 healer class.Uncomplicated and fustrating isn't it.

Both EQ2 and LOTRO are lame in this regard.

 

Questing in old school EQ1 where there were no icons or minimaps and you had to problemsolve all the quests above newbie level was and still is the best questing method. Using key words to unlock more useful information, which you derived thru exploration, lore, and deductive reasoning, is how a real quest system is designed.

EQ2, LOTRO, WoW, GnH, and other newer games just offer tasks. Go here, do that, kill this, all explained in painful detail so even the village idiot knows what is required. Unrealistic stupid icons show you who and minimaps with arrows show you where. If you aren't stupid when you start playing one of those games, you sure become stupid afterwards.

 

Clearly you haven’t done many (any?) EQ2 quests. 

 

First of all you actually need to read the dialog because if you don’t make the correct responses you won’t get the quest. This completely separates it from WoW, LoTRO and even Vanguard where you can simply click accept and be told how many of what to kill.  

 

Second, while there are some easy quests that spell out exactly what you need to most of the meaningful ones are not like this at all.  It would be impossible to figure out all the major quests in EQ2 on your own, you need help from the community or you will be lost.  For example one of my characters is on the first step in the quest line for Deathtoll access.  If you can even figure out how to get to the quest giver and talk to him, all he tells you is that he wants a specific book. He doesn’t tell you that you need to kill the boss mob in Vaults of El’Arad and then you will be able to read a nearby book to retrieve the required information.  He never mentions the mob in question or tells you to go to Vaults. 

 

Third EQ2 does an amazing job of revealing lore in its quests. The aforementioned quest line never comes right out and tells you the underlying political situation you are dealing with but when fitted in with other quests gives you a good picture of the underlying machinations going on among the Dragons and what impact that is having on the world of Norath.  

openedge1

Originally posted by Conkerturd


Hmmm......never played EQII.  I do however know you just described LOTRO perfectly.  Go figure.

I wish he had...but, it is even MORE BORING than that...and to top it off, it runs like junk, and is still buggy

 

openedge1

 

Originally posted by lomiller

Originally posted by Samuraisword


 
Originally posted by hercules

Originally posted by Jackdog


Since you seem to find it a challange let me give you a EQII lesson. log in look for quest icons above NPC's heads. Click on NPC, accept quest, kill xx crutters or do the fed ex , go back to original quest NPC, collect quest reward. rinse and repeat until you no longer feel like logging in anymore. not real complicated is it?

Troll 101.For someone who plays lotro i can't help but laugh.LOTRO is littered with kill x critters and fed ex and makes matter worse after you done a horribly long boring chain of it then you are now told before you can get that lovely dagger you must get a group to kill x mob with his x elite minons .Something which was not marked group quest initally suddenly has become one and then you spam hours to find a group to do it as no one is ever at same stage and the game has only 1 healer class.Uncomplicated and fustrating isn't it.

Both EQ2 and LOTRO are lame in this regard.

 

Questing in old school EQ1 where there were no icons or minimaps and you had to problemsolve all the quests above newbie level was and still is the best questing method. Using key words to unlock more useful information, which you derived thru exploration, lore, and deductive reasoning, is how a real quest system is designed.

EQ2, LOTRO, WoW, GnH, and other newer games just offer tasks. Go here, do that, kill this, all explained in painful detail so even the village idiot knows what is required. Unrealistic stupid icons show you who and minimaps with arrows show you where. If you aren't stupid when you start playing one of those games, you sure become stupid afterwards.

 

Clearly you haven’t done many (any?) EQ2 quests. 

 

First of all you actually need to read the dialog because if you don’t make the correct responses you won’t get the quest. This completely separates it from WoW, LoTRO and even Vanguard where you can simply click accept and be told how many of what to kill.  

 

Second, while there are some easy quests that spell out exactly what you need to most of the meaningful ones are not like this at all.  It would be impossible to figure out all the major quests in EQ2 on your own, you need help from the community or you will be lost.  For example one of my characters is on the first step in the quest line for Deathtoll access.  If you can even figure out how to get to the quest giver and talk to him, all he tells you is that he wants a specific book. He doesn’t tell you that you need to kill the boss mob in Vaults of El’Arad and then you will be able to read a nearby book to retrieve the required information.  He never mentions the mob in question or tells you to go to Vaults. 

 

Third EQ2 does an amazing job of revealing lore in its quests. The aforementioned quest line never comes right out and tells you the underlying political situation you are dealing with but when fitted in with other quests gives you a good picture of the underlying machinations going on among the Dragons and what impact that is having on the world of Norath.  

 

I am actually new to EQ2, and I just can't believe the difference. It is so much better than the other games out there. So much to do...yes, there is a learning curve (crafting is probably the most unique and well done aspect, but takes time to learn), quests are more than the fetch style...with response types...i.e: answer questions correctly, search for clues, find hidden quests, etc..

Combat is fast, using special heroic attacks, which have to be timed well...no heal pot spamming here either.

Finally, a built in TCG that is free to play, with drops in game that can be used in the TCG is an added bonus at no cost..

LOTRO...boring, plays horribly, the animations look like junk, and is also becoming deserted now..hard to find groups...gold spamming like crazy..

No, I for one have never been happier with a purchase than EQ2..

Tenebroso

Originally posted by BenGellor


I have been back in this game for about two weeks as a retuning player , It seems to have a much larger learning curve then most MMORPGS . I have been working on this game .. and learing quite a bit , I have a lvl 19 palidan and im thinking i might need to start over as it seems the new rewards for quests are much better now then when i started in Nov 2004 ,I can say the community here is top notch , I found a great guild in one day ,

hey man, what server and guild r u in? i m thinking about ginving it a shot again.

BenGellor

Originally posted by Tenebroso

Originally posted by BenGellor


I have been back in this game for about two weeks as a retuning player , It seems to have a much larger learning curve then most MMORPGS . I have been working on this game .. and learing quite a bit , I have a lvl 19 palidan and im thinking i might need to start over as it seems the new rewards for quests are much better now then when i started in Nov 2004 ,I can say the community here is top notch , I found a great guild in one day ,

hey man, what server and guild r u in? i m thinking about ginving it a shot again.

 

Im on Lucan DLere the Guild is Legion of Valor .. And yes im still having alot of fun with this game

 

betheoop

Originally posted by Jackdog

Originally posted by melanoma

Originally posted by Jackdog


Since you seem to find it a challange let me give you a EQII lesson. log in look for quest icons above NPC's heads. Click on NPC, accept quest, kill xx crutters or do the fed ex , go back to original quest NPC, collect quest reward. rinse and repeat until you no longer feel like logging in anymore. not real complicated is it?

pretty much sums up all MMORPG;'s, doesn't it? I think what distinguishes EQ2 from the rest is a more immersive feeling than the others.

Yep it sure does. LoTRO has PvMP which is a blast by the way, and the only player generated music system. It also has better lore and a more immersive game world but the basic game play is troughly the same. Oh and you get prettier graphics in LoTRO with a less demanding client and a lot better customer service ( judging by my personal experiance) also.

PvMP is broken according to posts on official board.  Every MMO players know CSR are not a factor when selecting a MMO... they all sucks.

Also, last couple books introduced A LOT of bugs from what i'm reading on LOTRO board.  I'm happy i decided to go EQ2 instead...

hertin

Originally posted by Jackdog

Originally posted by melanoma

Originally posted by Jackdog


Since you seem to find it a challange let me give you a EQII lesson. log in look for quest icons above NPC's heads. Click on NPC, accept quest, kill xx crutters or do the fed ex , go back to original quest NPC, collect quest reward. rinse and repeat until you no longer feel like logging in anymore. not real complicated is it?

pretty much sums up all MMORPG;'s, doesn't it? I think what distinguishes EQ2 from the rest is a more immersive feeling than the others.

Yep it sure does. LoTRO has PvMP which is a blast by the way, and the only player generated music system. It also has better lore and a more immersive game world but the basic game play is troughly the same. Oh and you get prettier graphics in LoTRO with a less demanding client and a lot better customer service ( judging by my personal experiance) also.

More immersive world?Are we talking about the same LOTRO  here?Noooo can't be.The LOTRO i know has a solid engine and yes if you are into music you can play a flute to the tune of beyond the stars but then again you can do a much better job on free software .

The same LOTRO i know has an extremely boring pvMp ,terribly boring raids ,horrible endless boring quests,a world of 2 colors - grey and green,few classes then most other mmorpg and half of them are boring,no customization at all as traits are almost a small add on then a defining factor unlike WoW talents or EQ2 AA,annoying grind crafting,annoying quests that seems to always start off nicely and soloable and ends in fustration at not finding a group to complete it after hours of doing the chain,a total feeling of emptiness and boredom past level 30  and the list goes on.Why do you think so many feel letdown by LOTRO?