sorry people need to listen and stop saying dumb crap they waited to go into beta to get mroe features in and get it as buggless as possible so beta wont take as long people are goign to look stupid once beta starts this year http://youtube.com/watch?v=6LC0KrZO79g acording to that vid alot of features are in and its perfectly playable there not going to show everything so other games like aoc can steal there ideas COUGH
im not saying Aoc will be a bad game it hink it will be better than the other 2 coming out between aOC and this game we just have to see which 1 is better i personnly dont liek the graphics for Aoc nor the combat system
LOL. Please.
When the game is played by someone then I'll believe its coming. Vanguard also had plenty of vids that it showed to its investors.
When it is played by someone not afflitated with the company (Internal Beta are paid testers, friends, and family) then I will believe that it might actually release. But until then there is no reason to believe that the game is actually going to go gold and release.
When it is played by someone not afflitated with the company (Internal Beta are paid testers, friends, and family) then I will believe that it might actually release. But until then there is no reason to believe that the game is actually going to go gold and release.
Originally posted by Brannoc
I played the game at E3, and I've played the game elsewhere, like the comfort of my own home.
The quote referred to regarding asking the mods is from 2001-02 and in regards to a pre-alpha build from when it was only the four guys working in a basement. The people who were moderating then (other than myself) have generally retired from the community. They were Nikolan, Jeka, Zakath, Porphyre, and me.
If you're tired of waiting, go do something else, that's really what this boils down to. The game will still be available to you when it releases.
What motivation would make brannoc lie about playing the game?
- He doesnt get any pay
- He works a thankless job.
- He really gets no benefits other than the title of "Administrator"(which really isnt much)
If anything he has more motivation to say that DF is vaporware.
When it is played by someone not afflitated with the company (Internal Beta are paid testers, friends, and family) then I will believe that it might actually release. But until then there is no reason to believe that the game is actually going to go gold and release.
Originally posted by Brannoc
I played the game at E3, and I've played the game elsewhere, like the comfort of my own home.
The quote referred to regarding asking the mods is from 2001-02 and in regards to a pre-alpha build from when it was only the four guys working in a basement. The people who were moderating then (other than myself) have generally retired from the community. They were Nikolan, Jeka, Zakath, Porphyre, and me.
If you're tired of waiting, go do something else, that's really what this boils down to. The game will still be available to you when it releases.
What motivation would make brannoc lie about playing the game?
- He doesnt get any pay
- He works a thankless job.
- He really gets no benefits other than the title of "Administrator"(which really isnt much)
If anything he has more motivation to say that DF is vaporware.
He is part of the "friends & Family". A game isn't real until it moves into a larger stage of beta testing. Until then it is an Idea. Nothing more. Until they actually move beyond that stage of testing there is no game. The fact that they have remained in that stage of testing for so long is a bad sign.
When it is played by someone not afflitated with the company (Internal Beta are paid testers, friends, and family) then I will believe that it might actually release. But until then there is no reason to believe that the game is actually going to go gold and release.
Originally posted by Brannoc
I played the game at E3, and I've played the game elsewhere, like the comfort of my own home.
The quote referred to regarding asking the mods is from 2001-02 and in regards to a pre-alpha build from when it was only the four guys working in a basement. The people who were moderating then (other than myself) have generally retired from the community. They were Nikolan, Jeka, Zakath, Porphyre, and me.
If you're tired of waiting, go do something else, that's really what this boils down to. The game will still be available to you when it releases.
What motivation would make brannoc lie about playing the game?
- He doesnt get any pay
- He works a thankless job.
- He really gets no benefits other than the title of "Administrator"(which really isnt much)
If anything he has more motivation to say that DF is vaporware.
He is part of the "friends & Family". A game isn't real until it moves into a larger stage of beta testing. Until then it is an Idea. Nothing more. Until they actually move beyond that stage of testing there is no game. The fact that they have remained in that stage of testing for so long is a bad sign.
That still doesnt answer the question of why would he lie?
Also they wanted the game as bugfree and complete as possible(as been stated MANY times) but some reason you cant get that through your thick head.
When it is played by someone not afflitated with the company (Internal Beta are paid testers, friends, and family) then I will believe that it might actually release. But until then there is no reason to believe that the game is actually going to go gold and release.
Originally posted by Brannoc
I played the game at E3, and I've played the game elsewhere, like the comfort of my own home.
The quote referred to regarding asking the mods is from 2001-02 and in regards to a pre-alpha build from when it was only the four guys working in a basement. The people who were moderating then (other than myself) have generally retired from the community. They were Nikolan, Jeka, Zakath, Porphyre, and me.
If you're tired of waiting, go do something else, that's really what this boils down to. The game will still be available to you when it releases.
What motivation would make brannoc lie about playing the game?
- He doesnt get any pay
- He works a thankless job.
- He really gets no benefits other than the title of "Administrator"(which really isnt much)
If anything he has more motivation to say that DF is vaporware.
He is part of the "friends & Family". A game isn't real until it moves into a larger stage of beta testing. Until then it is an Idea. Nothing more. Until they actually move beyond that stage of testing there is no game. The fact that they have remained in that stage of testing for so long is a bad sign.
That still doesnt answer the question of why would he lie?
Also they wanted the game as bugfree and complete as possible(as been stated MANY times) but some reason you cant get that through your thick head.
First off of course he would lie. Anyone affiliated with the company at this point is capable of lying about the development of the game.
Friends & Family internal Beta is not to get the game as bugfree as possible. You would never keep it in Beta for so long wiht the same small group of testers to find bugs. IT doesn't work like that. You use a large sampling because you are not sure how the actual consumers will react to the product. An extremely large number of bugs are found when being tested in a closed beta setting. Which is the stage that comes after "freinds & Family" and is a stage they haven't moved into yet.
MMOs are cancelled all of the time. Better funded MMO games with a full team and a large studio and publisher behind them get cancelled, so what makes you think that Darkfall is somehow immune to this?
Mythica got cancelled by Microsoft.
UO2 got cancelled (twice) by EA Origin
Imperator got indefinitely postponed by Mythic (before they merged with EA) to work on WAR instead.
Also the fact that the game has been shopped for supposedly quite awhile to prespective publishers and hasn't gotten anyone to pick it up, doesn't bode well for the quality of the product. If this game was as good as the "fanboys" say it is then why hasn't it gotten anyone to publish it? It obviously isn't due to them having too many publishers to choose from.
most of it is cause its a sandbox notice how no othe games are sand boxes any more? stupid wow
plus they could have a publisher already and just not telling us or they coulda said screw it cause noone will abid by thererule or whate ver it is and decided to self publish
First off of course he would lie. Anyone affiliated with the company at this point is capable of lying about the development of the game.
Anyone is capable of lying. Still you havent shown me any motivation that would make him want to lie about the game and as a matter of fact there is more motivation of him saynig it is vaporware. Friends & Family internal Beta is not to get the game as bugfree as possible. You would never keep it in Beta for so long wiht the same small group of testers to find bugs. IT doesn't work like that. You use a large sampling because you are not sure how the actual consumers will react to the product. An extremely large number of bugs are found when being tested in a closed beta setting. Which is the stage that comes after "freinds & Family" and is a stage they haven't moved into yet. Is there more beta testers? We dont know. Is it a possibility? Yes. Now about your whole paragraph about that it doesnt work like that...BULLSHIT. Thats all it is just some bullshit reasons that really make no sense. Will they find all the bugs? No of course not but after testing for such an extensive time it is more than possible they have found a large number of bugs. MMOs are cancelled all of the time. Better funded MMO games with a full team and a large studio and publisher behind them get cancelled, so what makes you think that Darkfall is somehow immune to this? Mythica got cancelled by Microsoft. UO2 got cancelled (twice) by EA Origin Imperator got indefinitely postponed by Mythic (before they merged with EA) to work on WAR instead. No one is arguing that there is a possibility that it will be canceled but that could happen to ANY GAME so please give a better argument. Also the fact that the game has been shopped for supposedly quite awhile to prespective publishers and hasn't gotten anyone to pick it up, doesn't bode well for the quality of the product. If this game was as good as the "fanboys" say it is then why hasn't it gotten anyone to publish it? It obviously isn't due to them having too many publishers to choose from. Once again complete bullshit. Publishers want something that their 100% SURE that they will get their money back on and DF(no matter how great it is) is a risk and publishers dont like that. Now that you understand that(hopefully) realize that publishing isnt "hey wanna publish us?" "Sure" "YaY^^". Not only does the publisher have to be willing to publish but publish it on the demands that aventurine wants. So this is a constant sending, resending of contracts, negotiations, compromises. Now wait its not done yet. Then they have to compare this with ALL publishers offers and once they can find the one that would best suit their needs than they must put that up against self-publishing and only than will they have picked a publisher.
Wow -4 year dev not a ton of features but enough to keep some people happy tons of updates i suppose bigger team tho darkfall- 6-7 year dev with a merge and redoing of graphics and engine and getting all the features in they promised (which is way more than WoW could ever or will have ) smaller team so putting there man power on the game instead of posting updates all the time
So whats the problem? as far as ic an see having updates doesnt mean crap yes it would be nice but : )
So your proof that it isn't vaporware is simply because you say so???? You offer no proof, no facts just some silly statement you made up. Man your one piece of work.
BTW I hear DF beta will be accepting solo beta apps soon! Now if we could only figure out what soon is. See you at the end of the year I'll eat crow and apologise if I'm wrong. Will you be big enough to do so if its still not in closed beta then?
There are MANY facts on it and you can look through some past threads for them if you want.
Now I'm sure your gonna call me a narrow minded hater or some such, but heres the point Dev's have been known to lie. A few screen shots and a video do not to me = equal proof. Obviously to you they do.
Heck I could say I've developed a car that will run forever on a gallon of gas. Take some pictures of it and a small video of it running and going places and that would be equal to the proof/evidence there is DF will be out with all its promised features soon. I doubt you would take my word about the car though you would take the word of a few devs you've never met?
Really I do hope DF comes out for you all, but I think your in for a big let down because your over hyping the game. It may well come out soon, but I very much doubt it will live up to all your expectations. ( Saw the same thing happen with VG and guess what, that game had over 30 million behind it alot more people, many with experience. In comparison DF has a smaller budget assuming they are spending that loan on developing it. They have far fewer programers and no computer game dev experience that we know of)
Now yes the DF devs might well be supergenuis able to do miracles in computer programmming (after all you all are expecting 3 times more from them then what 100+ dev teams with budgets 2 and 3 times more then them have ever been able to do) but on the other side they may just as well be a bunch of morons that are in over their heads. So you will forgive me I hope if I and several others remain skeptical
Tell ya what I'm gonna stay away from this forum till say next year. If its up and running (a beta of some sort?) when I check back in in Jan/Feb. I'll eat crow and apologise. Till then have fun may your DF dream come true and someone please slip that Elitexion kid some Ritlan before he threatens to bash more peoples heads in with a brick
Wow -4 year dev not a ton of features but enough to keep some people happy tons of updates i suppose bigger team tho darkfall- 6-7 year dev with a merge and redoing of graphics and engine and getting all the features in they promised (which is way more than WoW could ever or will have ) smaller team so putting there man power on the game instead of posting updates all the time
So whats the problem? as far as ic an see having updates doesnt mean crap yes it would be nice but : )
So your proof that it isn't vaporware is simply because you say so???? You offer no proof, no facts just some silly statement you made up. Man your one piece of work.
BTW I hear DF beta will be accepting solo beta apps soon! Now if we could only figure out what soon is. See you at the end of the year I'll eat crow and apologise if I'm wrong. Will you be big enough to do so if its still not in closed beta then?
There are MANY facts on it and you can look through some past threads for them if you want.
Now I'm sure your gonna call me a narrow minded hater or some such, but heres the point Dev's have been known to lie. A few screen shots and a video do not to me = equal proof. Obviously to you they do.
Heck I could say I've developed a car that will run forever on a gallon of gas. Take some pictures of it and a small video of it running and going places and that would be equal to the proof/evidence there is DF will be out with all its promised features soon. I doubt you would take my word about the car though you would take the word of a few devs you've never met?
Really I do hope DF comes out for you all, but I think your in for a big let down because your over hyping the game. It may well come out soon, but I very much doubt it will live up to all your expectations. ( Saw the same thing happen with VG and guess what, that game had over 30 million behind it alot more people, many with experience. In comparison DF has a smaller budget assuming they are spending that loan on developing it. They have far fewer programers and no computer game dev experience that we know of)
Now yes the DF devs might well be supergenuis able to do miracles in computer programmming (after all you all are expecting 3 times more from them then what 100+ dev teams with budgets 2 and 3 times more then them have ever been able to do) but on the other side they may just as well be a bunch of morons that are in over their heads. So you will forgive me I hope if I and several others remain skeptical
Tell ya what I'm gonna stay away from this forum till say next year. If its up and running (a beta of some sort?) when I check back in in Jan/Feb. I'll eat crow and apologise. Till then have fun may your DF dream come true and someone please slip that Elitexion kid some Ritlan before he threatens to bash more peoples heads in with a brick
No not just videos and SS's theres much more but your not going to bother to look for it though are you?
Wow -4 year dev not a ton of features but enough to keep some people happy tons of updates i suppose bigger team tho darkfall- 6-7 year dev with a merge and redoing of graphics and engine and getting all the features in they promised (which is way more than WoW could ever or will have ) smaller team so putting there man power on the game instead of posting updates all the time
So whats the problem? as far as ic an see having updates doesnt mean crap yes it would be nice but : )
So your proof that it isn't vaporware is simply because you say so???? You offer no proof, no facts just some silly statement you made up. Man your one piece of work.
BTW I hear DF beta will be accepting solo beta apps soon! Now if we could only figure out what soon is. See you at the end of the year I'll eat crow and apologise if I'm wrong. Will you be big enough to do so if its still not in closed beta then?
There are MANY facts on it and you can look through some past threads for them if you want.
Now I'm sure your gonna call me a narrow minded hater or some such, but heres the point Dev's have been known to lie. A few screen shots and a video do not to me = equal proof. Obviously to you they do.
Heck I could say I've developed a car that will run forever on a gallon of gas. Take some pictures of it and a small video of it running and going places and that would be equal to the proof/evidence there is DF will be out with all its promised features soon. I doubt you would take my word about the car though you would take the word of a few devs you've never met?
Really I do hope DF comes out for you all, but I think your in for a big let down because your over hyping the game. It may well come out soon, but I very much doubt it will live up to all your expectations. ( Saw the same thing happen with VG and guess what, that game had over 30 million behind it alot more people, many with experience. In comparison DF has a smaller budget assuming they are spending that loan on developing it. They have far fewer programers and no computer game dev experience that we know of)
Now yes the DF devs might well be supergenuis able to do miracles in computer programmming (after all you all are expecting 3 times more from them then what 100+ dev teams with budgets 2 and 3 times more then them have ever been able to do) but on the other side they may just as well be a bunch of morons that are in over their heads. So you will forgive me I hope if I and several others remain skeptical
Tell ya what I'm gonna stay away from this forum till say next year. If its up and running (a beta of some sort?) when I check back in in Jan/Feb. I'll eat crow and apologise. Till then have fun may your DF dream come true and someone please slip that Elitexion kid some Ritlan before he threatens to bash more peoples heads in with a brick
No not just videos and SS's theres much more but your not going to bother to look for it though are you?
And are you gonna care to read search past the second paragraph? He has a good point in paragraphs 3 and 4, and a huge point on that last one.
Wow -4 year dev not a ton of features but enough to keep some people happy tons of updates i suppose bigger team tho darkfall- 6-7 year dev with a merge and redoing of graphics and engine and getting all the features in they promised (which is way more than WoW could ever or will have ) smaller team so putting there man power on the game instead of posting updates all the time
So whats the problem? as far as ic an see having updates doesnt mean crap yes it would be nice but : )
So your proof that it isn't vaporware is simply because you say so???? You offer no proof, no facts just some silly statement you made up. Man your one piece of work.
BTW I hear DF beta will be accepting solo beta apps soon! Now if we could only figure out what soon is. See you at the end of the year I'll eat crow and apologise if I'm wrong. Will you be big enough to do so if its still not in closed beta then?
There are MANY facts on it and you can look through some past threads for them if you want.
Now I'm sure your gonna call me a narrow minded hater or some such, but heres the point Dev's have been known to lie. A few screen shots and a video do not to me = equal proof. Obviously to you they do.
Heck I could say I've developed a car that will run forever on a gallon of gas. Take some pictures of it and a small video of it running and going places and that would be equal to the proof/evidence there is DF will be out with all its promised features soon. I doubt you would take my word about the car though you would take the word of a few devs you've never met?
Really I do hope DF comes out for you all, but I think your in for a big let down because your over hyping the game. It may well come out soon, but I very much doubt it will live up to all your expectations. ( Saw the same thing happen with VG and guess what, that game had over 30 million behind it alot more people, many with experience. In comparison DF has a smaller budget assuming they are spending that loan on developing it. They have far fewer programers and no computer game dev experience that we know of)
Now yes the DF devs might well be supergenuis able to do miracles in computer programmming (after all you all are expecting 3 times more from them then what 100+ dev teams with budgets 2 and 3 times more then them have ever been able to do) but on the other side they may just as well be a bunch of morons that are in over their heads. So you will forgive me I hope if I and several others remain skeptical
Tell ya what I'm gonna stay away from this forum till say next year. If its up and running (a beta of some sort?) when I check back in in Jan/Feb. I'll eat crow and apologise. Till then have fun may your DF dream come true and someone please slip that Elitexion kid some Ritlan before he threatens to bash more peoples heads in with a brick
No not just videos and SS's theres much more but your not going to bother to look for it though are you?
And are you gonna care to read search past the second paragraph? He has a good point in paragraphs 3 and 4, and a huge point on that last one.
No not really, example paragraph 4. The fact that he doesnt realize that other companies dont do games like this because it runs a risk of losing money and companies really only care what their sure about getting them money and he also doesnt know that by adding more devs doesnt make the game go any faster and at a point its detrimental to the game.
Also look at the last sentence in the paragraph. As I've said that being skeptical is good but unfortuneatly this isnt skepticism. He fully believes that its vaporware which makes that sentence a blatant lie.
Wow -4 year dev not a ton of features but enough to keep some people happy tons of updates i suppose bigger team tho darkfall- 6-7 year dev with a merge and redoing of graphics and engine and getting all the features in they promised (which is way more than WoW could ever or will have ) smaller team so putting there man power on the game instead of posting updates all the time
So whats the problem? as far as ic an see having updates doesnt mean crap yes it would be nice but : )
So your proof that it isn't vaporware is simply because you say so???? You offer no proof, no facts just some silly statement you made up. Man your one piece of work.
BTW I hear DF beta will be accepting solo beta apps soon! Now if we could only figure out what soon is. See you at the end of the year I'll eat crow and apologise if I'm wrong. Will you be big enough to do so if its still not in closed beta then?
There are MANY facts on it and you can look through some past threads for them if you want.
Now I'm sure your gonna call me a narrow minded hater or some such, but heres the point Dev's have been known to lie. A few screen shots and a video do not to me = equal proof. Obviously to you they do.
Heck I could say I've developed a car that will run forever on a gallon of gas. Take some pictures of it and a small video of it running and going places and that would be equal to the proof/evidence there is DF will be out with all its promised features soon. I doubt you would take my word about the car though you would take the word of a few devs you've never met?
Really I do hope DF comes out for you all, but I think your in for a big let down because your over hyping the game. It may well come out soon, but I very much doubt it will live up to all your expectations. ( Saw the same thing happen with VG and guess what, that game had over 30 million behind it alot more people, many with experience. In comparison DF has a smaller budget assuming they are spending that loan on developing it. They have far fewer programers and no computer game dev experience that we know of)
Now yes the DF devs might well be supergenuis able to do miracles in computer programmming (after all you all are expecting 3 times more from them then what 100+ dev teams with budgets 2 and 3 times more then them have ever been able to do) but on the other side they may just as well be a bunch of morons that are in over their heads. So you will forgive me I hope if I and several others remain skeptical
Tell ya what I'm gonna stay away from this forum till say next year. If its up and running (a beta of some sort?) when I check back in in Jan/Feb. I'll eat crow and apologise. Till then have fun may your DF dream come true and someone please slip that Elitexion kid some Ritlan before he threatens to bash more peoples heads in with a brick
No not just videos and SS's theres much more but your not going to bother to look for it though are you?
And are you gonna care to read search past the second paragraph? He has a good point in paragraphs 3 and 4, and a huge point on that last one.
No not really, example paragraph 4. The fact that he doesnt realize that other companies dont do games like this because it runs a risk of losing money and companies really only care what their sure about getting them money and he also doesnt know that by adding more devs doesnt make the game go any faster and at a point its detrimental to the game.
Um, more people making the game means more work done over a shorter time. More accomplished over a shorter time does mean that you are getting it done faster. I mean ya, have like 1000 people working on it would make it slow down a lot because of having to manage the employees. But most companies have like 50-200 people. I don't see how having more people can be "detrimental to the game", I mean you are spreading your opinion out further than with a small group, but that happens anyway. Secondly, if a game has a follower base like this, and all the concepts of this game, then I'm pretty damn sure it would make money. It would just be a hard game to make because of technical limitations. I mean, if this game looked like it was going to come out, or if it looked like it's not going to be another Dark Messiah of Might and Magic, if it does. Then I'm sure that most of the other games would have their followers running over here like lemmings off a cliff.
Um, more people making the game means more work done over a shorter time. More accomplished over a shorter time does mean that you are getting it done faster. I mean ya, have like 1000 people working on it would make it slow down a lot because of having to manage the employees. But most companies have like 50-200 people. I don't see how having more people can be "detrimental to the game", I mean you are spreading your opinion out further than with a small group, but that happens anyway. Secondly, if a game has a follower base like this, and all the concepts of this game, then I'm pretty damn sure it would make money. It would just be a hard game to make because of technical limitations. I mean, if this game looked like it was going to come out, or if it looked like it's not going to be another Dark Messiah of Might and Magic, if it does. Then I'm sure that most of the other games would have their followers running over here like lemmings off a cliff.
Take a look around and you'll soon find that many developing teams like to keep it between dozen and two dozen people not 100+ as he stated.
You have to look at it through i business perspective which is not the same as a player perspective. Businesses like to follow a model that is succesful and the since the most successful one was WoW they followed its model. Businesses dont like to risk money and a game like DF is a risk no matter how fun it may be.
Um, more people making the game means more work done over a shorter time. More accomplished over a shorter time does mean that you are getting it done faster. I mean ya, have like 1000 people working on it would make it slow down a lot because of having to manage the employees. But most companies have like 50-200 people. I don't see how having more people can be "detrimental to the game", I mean you are spreading your opinion out further than with a small group, but that happens anyway. Secondly, if a game has a follower base like this, and all the concepts of this game, then I'm pretty damn sure it would make money. It would just be a hard game to make because of technical limitations. I mean, if this game looked like it was going to come out, or if it looked like it's not going to be another Dark Messiah of Might and Magic, if it does. Then I'm sure that most of the other games would have their followers running over here like lemmings off a cliff.
Take a look around and you'll soon find that many developing teams like to keep it between dozen and two dozen people not 100+ as he stated.
You have to look at it through i business perspective which is not the same as a player perspective. Businesses like to follow a model that is succesful and the since the most successful one was WoW they followed its model. Businesses dont like to risk money and a game like DF is a risk no matter how fun it may be.
The numbers in my above quote are actually really quite off. But 12-24 is off pretty bad too. WoW followed the 70~ model. Back when they were making the game, when asked about how many people were working on it they said that they had about 70 people working on it so it was a pretty big team. WoW got precisely what they were going for too. I can safely assume that there are about 50 people working on WAR/AoC. PotBS is a smaller company but I would say that there pulling 30-40 people working on it.
Um, more people making the game means more work done over a shorter time. More accomplished over a shorter time does mean that you are getting it done faster. I mean ya, have like 1000 people working on it would make it slow down a lot because of having to manage the employees. But most companies have like 50-200 people. I don't see how having more people can be "detrimental to the game", I mean you are spreading your opinion out further than with a small group, but that happens anyway. Secondly, if a game has a follower base like this, and all the concepts of this game, then I'm pretty damn sure it would make money. It would just be a hard game to make because of technical limitations. I mean, if this game looked like it was going to come out, or if it looked like it's not going to be another Dark Messiah of Might and Magic, if it does. Then I'm sure that most of the other games would have their followers running over here like lemmings off a cliff.
Take a look around and you'll soon find that many developing teams like to keep it between dozen and two dozen people not 100+ as he stated.
You have to look at it through i business perspective which is not the same as a player perspective. Businesses like to follow a model that is succesful and the since the most successful one was WoW they followed its model. Businesses dont like to risk money and a game like DF is a risk no matter how fun it may be.
The numbers in my above quote are actually really quite off. But 12-24 is off pretty bad too. WoW followed the 70~ model. Back when they were making the game, when asked about how many people were working on it they said that they had about 70 people working on it so it was a pretty big team. WoW got precisely what they were going for too. I can safely assume that there are about 50 people working on WAR/AoC. PotBS is a smaller company but I would say that there pulling 30-40 people working on it.
Yet none of those numbers are in the 100+ range that he was talking about.
Um, more people making the game means more work done over a shorter time. More accomplished over a shorter time does mean that you are getting it done faster. I mean ya, have like 1000 people working on it would make it slow down a lot because of having to manage the employees. But most companies have like 50-200 people. I don't see how having more people can be "detrimental to the game", I mean you are spreading your opinion out further than with a small group, but that happens anyway. Secondly, if a game has a follower base like this, and all the concepts of this game, then I'm pretty damn sure it would make money. It would just be a hard game to make because of technical limitations. I mean, if this game looked like it was going to come out, or if it looked like it's not going to be another Dark Messiah of Might and Magic, if it does. Then I'm sure that most of the other games would have their followers running over here like lemmings off a cliff.
Take a look around and you'll soon find that many developing teams like to keep it between dozen and two dozen people not 100+ as he stated.
You have to look at it through i business perspective which is not the same as a player perspective. Businesses like to follow a model that is succesful and the since the most successful one was WoW they followed its model. Businesses dont like to risk money and a game like DF is a risk no matter how fun it may be.
The numbers in my above quote are actually really quite off. But 12-24 is off pretty bad too. WoW followed the 70~ model. Back when they were making the game, when asked about how many people were working on it they said that they had about 70 people working on it so it was a pretty big team. WoW got precisely what they were going for too. I can safely assume that there are about 50 people working on WAR/AoC. PotBS is a smaller company but I would say that there pulling 30-40 people working on it.
Yet none of those numbers are in the 100+ range that he was talking about.
What's your point? He got a number wrong. I said up to 200 which was wrong. You said 12-24 which is only right for small companies or large groups of indie developers.
Plain and simple its vaporware if you can't see that by now you got problems. Hell let's try to even give you the benefit of the doubt say it does come out they'll need a good 3-4 month closed beta cycle minimum to iron out bugs and a around a half a month to one month open beta that'd mean by around February at the earliest it could be released if that all more or less happened starting tomorrow which we all know isn't gonna happen.
For the sake of argument though let's say it did the game would soon fold over and kill itself upon arrival much like shadowbane and others that have tried to replicate UO's glory days the fact of the matter is UO has survived primarily because it changed to be more like EQ, diablo, WoW, and other games.
If UO had remained more or less stagnant and let it evolve around open pvp let it was until EA bought out and took over origin the game likely would have fizzled out just like shadow bane within a year or two. It was still growing during that time period, but it would've peaked and declined just as rapidly a large reason behind it's growth back then was simply because it was the only thing on the market initially for a long time and even by the EA buyout there were only 2 other games on the market at that time EQ and AC so there was little to no competition for them to compete with and anyone with a computer that wasn't capable of EQ or AC at the time had to default to UO. EQ in particular had steep system requirements to run well when it came out for quite some time. Anyways that's my take and as much as I like UO's infancy it likely would've pulled a shadow bane if hadn't made the changes it did.
Um, more people making the game means more work done over a shorter time. More accomplished over a shorter time does mean that you are getting it done faster. I mean ya, have like 1000 people working on it would make it slow down a lot because of having to manage the employees. But most companies have like 50-200 people. I don't see how having more people can be "detrimental to the game", I mean you are spreading your opinion out further than with a small group, but that happens anyway. Secondly, if a game has a follower base like this, and all the concepts of this game, then I'm pretty damn sure it would make money. It would just be a hard game to make because of technical limitations. I mean, if this game looked like it was going to come out, or if it looked like it's not going to be another Dark Messiah of Might and Magic, if it does. Then I'm sure that most of the other games would have their followers running over here like lemmings off a cliff.
Take a look around and you'll soon find that many developing teams like to keep it between dozen and two dozen people not 100+ as he stated.
You have to look at it through i business perspective which is not the same as a player perspective. Businesses like to follow a model that is succesful and the since the most successful one was WoW they followed its model. Businesses dont like to risk money and a game like DF is a risk no matter how fun it may be.
The numbers in my above quote are actually really quite off. But 12-24 is off pretty bad too. WoW followed the 70~ model. Back when they were making the game, when asked about how many people were working on it they said that they had about 70 people working on it so it was a pretty big team. WoW got precisely what they were going for too. I can safely assume that there are about 50 people working on WAR/AoC. PotBS is a smaller company but I would say that there pulling 30-40 people working on it.
Yet none of those numbers are in the 100+ range that he was talking about.
What's your point? He got a number wrong. I said up to 200 which was wrong. You said 12-24 which is only right for small companies or large groups of indie developers.
It is close and there is still the point that smaller teams are usually wanted than huge teams.
man people are so mis-informed UO was always over 150k+ before Trammel was introduced lol just go look at any and all MMO charts. hell even wikipedia can tell you that people not to stop posting lies about UO.
Sure Trammel along with other expansions gained them more audiences. um, expansions always do this you know. Even City of Villains expansion for City Of Heroes added bout 50k subscribers.
edit- this reply is to knowom or whatever his name is
Um, more people making the game means more work done over a shorter time. More accomplished over a shorter time does mean that you are getting it done faster. I mean ya, have like 1000 people working on it would make it slow down a lot because of having to manage the employees. But most companies have like 50-200 people. I don't see how having more people can be "detrimental to the game", I mean you are spreading your opinion out further than with a small group, but that happens anyway. Secondly, if a game has a follower base like this, and all the concepts of this game, then I'm pretty damn sure it would make money. It would just be a hard game to make because of technical limitations. I mean, if this game looked like it was going to come out, or if it looked like it's not going to be another Dark Messiah of Might and Magic, if it does. Then I'm sure that most of the other games would have their followers running over here like lemmings off a cliff.
Take a look around and you'll soon find that many developing teams like to keep it between dozen and two dozen people not 100+ as he stated.
You have to look at it through i business perspective which is not the same as a player perspective. Businesses like to follow a model that is succesful and the since the most successful one was WoW they followed its model. Businesses dont like to risk money and a game like DF is a risk no matter how fun it may be.
The numbers in my above quote are actually really quite off. But 12-24 is off pretty bad too. WoW followed the 70~ model. Back when they were making the game, when asked about how many people were working on it they said that they had about 70 people working on it so it was a pretty big team. WoW got precisely what they were going for too. I can safely assume that there are about 50 people working on WAR/AoC. PotBS is a smaller company but I would say that there pulling 30-40 people working on it.
Yet none of those numbers are in the 100+ range that he was talking about.
What's your point? He got a number wrong. I said up to 200 which was wrong. You said 12-24 which is only right for small companies or large groups of indie developers.
It is close and there is still the point that smaller teams are usually wanted than huge teams.
Umm, no they aren't, see how pretty much every MMO on the most hyped and highest rated list on this website have like ~50 people working on it. 12-24 isn't much closer to 40-70 than 100+ is. You were 16 off and he was 30. Leaving a difference of 14 which is not far off at all on this scale.
Um, more people making the game means more work done over a shorter time. More accomplished over a shorter time does mean that you are getting it done faster. I mean ya, have like 1000 people working on it would make it slow down a lot because of having to manage the employees. But most companies have like 50-200 people. I don't see how having more people can be "detrimental to the game", I mean you are spreading your opinion out further than with a small group, but that happens anyway. Secondly, if a game has a follower base like this, and all the concepts of this game, then I'm pretty damn sure it would make money. It would just be a hard game to make because of technical limitations. I mean, if this game looked like it was going to come out, or if it looked like it's not going to be another Dark Messiah of Might and Magic, if it does. Then I'm sure that most of the other games would have their followers running over here like lemmings off a cliff.
Take a look around and you'll soon find that many developing teams like to keep it between dozen and two dozen people not 100+ as he stated.
You have to look at it through i business perspective which is not the same as a player perspective. Businesses like to follow a model that is succesful and the since the most successful one was WoW they followed its model. Businesses dont like to risk money and a game like DF is a risk no matter how fun it may be.
The numbers in my above quote are actually really quite off. But 12-24 is off pretty bad too. WoW followed the 70~ model. Back when they were making the game, when asked about how many people were working on it they said that they had about 70 people working on it so it was a pretty big team. WoW got precisely what they were going for too. I can safely assume that there are about 50 people working on WAR/AoC. PotBS is a smaller company but I would say that there pulling 30-40 people working on it.
Yet none of those numbers are in the 100+ range that he was talking about.
What's your point? He got a number wrong. I said up to 200 which was wrong. You said 12-24 which is only right for small companies or large groups of indie developers.
It is close and there is still the point that smaller teams are usually wanted than huge teams.
Umm, no they aren't, see how pretty much every MMO on the most hyped and highest rated list on this website have like ~50 people working on it. 12-24 isn't much closer to 40-70 than 100+ is. You were 16 off and he was 30. Leaving a difference of 14 which is not far off at all on this scale.
That doenst take away that the fact that smaller groups are preferred over large ones.
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When the game is played by someone then I'll believe its coming. Vanguard also had plenty of vids that it showed to its investors.
itsx being played by internal testers ..>
When it is played by someone not afflitated with the company (Internal Beta are paid testers, friends, and family) then I will believe that it might actually release. But until then there is no reason to believe that the game is actually going to go gold and release.
War Beta Tester
What motivation would make brannoc lie about playing the game?
- He doesnt get any pay
- He works a thankless job.
- He really gets no benefits other than the title of "Administrator"(which really isnt much)
If anything he has more motivation to say that DF is vaporware.
What motivation would make brannoc lie about playing the game?
- He doesnt get any pay
- He works a thankless job.
- He really gets no benefits other than the title of "Administrator"(which really isnt much)
If anything he has more motivation to say that DF is vaporware.
He is part of the "friends & Family". A game isn't real until it moves into a larger stage of beta testing. Until then it is an Idea. Nothing more. Until they actually move beyond that stage of testing there is no game. The fact that they have remained in that stage of testing for so long is a bad sign.
War Beta Tester
R.I.P.
"The monster created isn't by the company that makes the game, it's by the fans that make it something it never was"
O_O LOL
What motivation would make brannoc lie about playing the game?
- He doesnt get any pay
- He works a thankless job.
- He really gets no benefits other than the title of "Administrator"(which really isnt much)
If anything he has more motivation to say that DF is vaporware.
He is part of the "friends & Family". A game isn't real until it moves into a larger stage of beta testing. Until then it is an Idea. Nothing more. Until they actually move beyond that stage of testing there is no game. The fact that they have remained in that stage of testing for so long is a bad sign.
That still doesnt answer the question of why would he lie?
Also they wanted the game as bugfree and complete as possible(as been stated MANY times) but some reason you cant get that through your thick head.
What motivation would make brannoc lie about playing the game?
- He doesnt get any pay
- He works a thankless job.
- He really gets no benefits other than the title of "Administrator"(which really isnt much)
If anything he has more motivation to say that DF is vaporware.
He is part of the "friends & Family". A game isn't real until it moves into a larger stage of beta testing. Until then it is an Idea. Nothing more. Until they actually move beyond that stage of testing there is no game. The fact that they have remained in that stage of testing for so long is a bad sign.
That still doesnt answer the question of why would he lie?
Also they wanted the game as bugfree and complete as possible(as been stated MANY times) but some reason you cant get that through your thick head.
First off of course he would lie. Anyone affiliated with the company at this point is capable of lying about the development of the game.Friends & Family internal Beta is not to get the game as bugfree as possible. You would never keep it in Beta for so long wiht the same small group of testers to find bugs. IT doesn't work like that. You use a large sampling because you are not sure how the actual consumers will react to the product. An extremely large number of bugs are found when being tested in a closed beta setting. Which is the stage that comes after "freinds & Family" and is a stage they haven't moved into yet.
MMOs are cancelled all of the time. Better funded MMO games with a full team and a large studio and publisher behind them get cancelled, so what makes you think that Darkfall is somehow immune to this?
Mythica got cancelled by Microsoft.
UO2 got cancelled (twice) by EA Origin
Imperator got indefinitely postponed by Mythic (before they merged with EA) to work on WAR instead.
Also the fact that the game has been shopped for supposedly quite awhile to prespective publishers and hasn't gotten anyone to pick it up, doesn't bode well for the quality of the product. If this game was as good as the "fanboys" say it is then why hasn't it gotten anyone to publish it? It obviously isn't due to them having too many publishers to choose from.
War Beta Tester
most of it is cause its a sandbox notice how no othe games are sand boxes any more? stupid wow
plus they could have a publisher already and just not telling us or they coulda said screw it cause noone will abid by thererule or whate ver it is and decided to self publish
So your proof that it isn't vaporware is simply because you say so???? You offer no proof, no facts just some silly statement you made up. Man your one piece of work.BTW I hear DF beta will be accepting solo beta apps soon! Now if we could only figure out what soon is. See you at the end of the year I'll eat crow and apologise if I'm wrong. Will you be big enough to do so if its still not in closed beta then?
There are MANY facts on it and you can look through some past threads for them if you want.
Now I'm sure your gonna call me a narrow minded hater or some such, but heres the point Dev's have been known to lie. A few screen shots and a video do not to me = equal proof. Obviously to you they do.
Heck I could say I've developed a car that will run forever on a gallon of gas. Take some pictures of it and a small video of it running and going places and that would be equal to the proof/evidence there is DF will be out with all its promised features soon. I doubt you would take my word about the car though you would take the word of a few devs you've never met?
Really I do hope DF comes out for you all, but I think your in for a big let down because your over hyping the game. It may well come out soon, but I very much doubt it will live up to all your expectations. ( Saw the same thing happen with VG and guess what, that game had over 30 million behind it alot more people, many with experience. In comparison DF has a smaller budget assuming they are spending that loan on developing it. They have far fewer programers and no computer game dev experience that we know of)
Now yes the DF devs might well be supergenuis able to do miracles in computer programmming (after all you all are expecting 3 times more from them then what 100+ dev teams with budgets 2 and 3 times more then them have ever been able to do) but on the other side they may just as well be a bunch of morons that are in over their heads. So you will forgive me I hope if I and several others remain skeptical
Tell ya what I'm gonna stay away from this forum till say next year. If its up and running (a beta of some sort?) when I check back in in Jan/Feb. I'll eat crow and apologise. Till then have fun may your DF dream come true and someone please slip that Elitexion kid some Ritlan before he threatens to bash more peoples heads in with a brick
BTW I hear DF beta will be accepting solo beta apps soon! Now if we could only figure out what soon is. See you at the end of the year I'll eat crow and apologise if I'm wrong. Will you be big enough to do so if its still not in closed beta then?
There are MANY facts on it and you can look through some past threads for them if you want.
Now I'm sure your gonna call me a narrow minded hater or some such, but heres the point Dev's have been known to lie. A few screen shots and a video do not to me = equal proof. Obviously to you they do.
Heck I could say I've developed a car that will run forever on a gallon of gas. Take some pictures of it and a small video of it running and going places and that would be equal to the proof/evidence there is DF will be out with all its promised features soon. I doubt you would take my word about the car though you would take the word of a few devs you've never met?
Really I do hope DF comes out for you all, but I think your in for a big let down because your over hyping the game. It may well come out soon, but I very much doubt it will live up to all your expectations. ( Saw the same thing happen with VG and guess what, that game had over 30 million behind it alot more people, many with experience. In comparison DF has a smaller budget assuming they are spending that loan on developing it. They have far fewer programers and no computer game dev experience that we know of)
Now yes the DF devs might well be supergenuis able to do miracles in computer programmming (after all you all are expecting 3 times more from them then what 100+ dev teams with budgets 2 and 3 times more then them have ever been able to do) but on the other side they may just as well be a bunch of morons that are in over their heads. So you will forgive me I hope if I and several others remain skeptical
Tell ya what I'm gonna stay away from this forum till say next year. If its up and running (a beta of some sort?) when I check back in in Jan/Feb. I'll eat crow and apologise. Till then have fun may your DF dream come true and someone please slip that Elitexion kid some Ritlan before he threatens to bash more peoples heads in with a brick
No not just videos and SS's theres much more but your not going to bother to look for it though are you?
BTW I hear DF beta will be accepting solo beta apps soon! Now if we could only figure out what soon is. See you at the end of the year I'll eat crow and apologise if I'm wrong. Will you be big enough to do so if its still not in closed beta then?
There are MANY facts on it and you can look through some past threads for them if you want.
Now I'm sure your gonna call me a narrow minded hater or some such, but heres the point Dev's have been known to lie. A few screen shots and a video do not to me = equal proof. Obviously to you they do.
Heck I could say I've developed a car that will run forever on a gallon of gas. Take some pictures of it and a small video of it running and going places and that would be equal to the proof/evidence there is DF will be out with all its promised features soon. I doubt you would take my word about the car though you would take the word of a few devs you've never met?
Really I do hope DF comes out for you all, but I think your in for a big let down because your over hyping the game. It may well come out soon, but I very much doubt it will live up to all your expectations. ( Saw the same thing happen with VG and guess what, that game had over 30 million behind it alot more people, many with experience. In comparison DF has a smaller budget assuming they are spending that loan on developing it. They have far fewer programers and no computer game dev experience that we know of)
Now yes the DF devs might well be supergenuis able to do miracles in computer programmming (after all you all are expecting 3 times more from them then what 100+ dev teams with budgets 2 and 3 times more then them have ever been able to do) but on the other side they may just as well be a bunch of morons that are in over their heads. So you will forgive me I hope if I and several others remain skeptical
Tell ya what I'm gonna stay away from this forum till say next year. If its up and running (a beta of some sort?) when I check back in in Jan/Feb. I'll eat crow and apologise. Till then have fun may your DF dream come true and someone please slip that Elitexion kid some Ritlan before he threatens to bash more peoples heads in with a brick
No not just videos and SS's theres much more but your not going to bother to look for it though are you?
And are you gonna care to read search past the second paragraph? He has a good point in paragraphs 3 and 4, and a huge point on that last one
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BTW I hear DF beta will be accepting solo beta apps soon! Now if we could only figure out what soon is. See you at the end of the year I'll eat crow and apologise if I'm wrong. Will you be big enough to do so if its still not in closed beta then?
There are MANY facts on it and you can look through some past threads for them if you want.
Now I'm sure your gonna call me a narrow minded hater or some such, but heres the point Dev's have been known to lie. A few screen shots and a video do not to me = equal proof. Obviously to you they do.
Heck I could say I've developed a car that will run forever on a gallon of gas. Take some pictures of it and a small video of it running and going places and that would be equal to the proof/evidence there is DF will be out with all its promised features soon. I doubt you would take my word about the car though you would take the word of a few devs you've never met?
Really I do hope DF comes out for you all, but I think your in for a big let down because your over hyping the game. It may well come out soon, but I very much doubt it will live up to all your expectations. ( Saw the same thing happen with VG and guess what, that game had over 30 million behind it alot more people, many with experience. In comparison DF has a smaller budget assuming they are spending that loan on developing it. They have far fewer programers and no computer game dev experience that we know of)
Now yes the DF devs might well be supergenuis able to do miracles in computer programmming (after all you all are expecting 3 times more from them then what 100+ dev teams with budgets 2 and 3 times more then them have ever been able to do) but on the other side they may just as well be a bunch of morons that are in over their heads. So you will forgive me I hope if I and several others remain skeptical
Tell ya what I'm gonna stay away from this forum till say next year. If its up and running (a beta of some sort?) when I check back in in Jan/Feb. I'll eat crow and apologise. Till then have fun may your DF dream come true and someone please slip that Elitexion kid some Ritlan before he threatens to bash more peoples heads in with a brick
No not just videos and SS's theres much more but your not going to bother to look for it though are you?
And are you gonna care to read search past the second paragraph? He has a good point in paragraphs 3 and 4, and a huge point on that last one
.
No not really, example paragraph 4. The fact that he doesnt realize that other companies dont do games like this because it runs a risk of losing money and companies really only care what their sure about getting them money and he also doesnt know that by adding more devs doesnt make the game go any faster and at a point its detrimental to the game.
Also look at the last sentence in the paragraph. As I've said that being skeptical is good but unfortuneatly this isnt skepticism. He fully believes that its vaporware which makes that sentence a blatant lie.
BTW I hear DF beta will be accepting solo beta apps soon! Now if we could only figure out what soon is. See you at the end of the year I'll eat crow and apologise if I'm wrong. Will you be big enough to do so if its still not in closed beta then?
There are MANY facts on it and you can look through some past threads for them if you want.
Now I'm sure your gonna call me a narrow minded hater or some such, but heres the point Dev's have been known to lie. A few screen shots and a video do not to me = equal proof. Obviously to you they do.
Heck I could say I've developed a car that will run forever on a gallon of gas. Take some pictures of it and a small video of it running and going places and that would be equal to the proof/evidence there is DF will be out with all its promised features soon. I doubt you would take my word about the car though you would take the word of a few devs you've never met?
Really I do hope DF comes out for you all, but I think your in for a big let down because your over hyping the game. It may well come out soon, but I very much doubt it will live up to all your expectations. ( Saw the same thing happen with VG and guess what, that game had over 30 million behind it alot more people, many with experience. In comparison DF has a smaller budget assuming they are spending that loan on developing it. They have far fewer programers and no computer game dev experience that we know of)
Now yes the DF devs might well be supergenuis able to do miracles in computer programmming (after all you all are expecting 3 times more from them then what 100+ dev teams with budgets 2 and 3 times more then them have ever been able to do) but on the other side they may just as well be a bunch of morons that are in over their heads. So you will forgive me I hope if I and several others remain skeptical
Tell ya what I'm gonna stay away from this forum till say next year. If its up and running (a beta of some sort?) when I check back in in Jan/Feb. I'll eat crow and apologise. Till then have fun may your DF dream come true and someone please slip that Elitexion kid some Ritlan before he threatens to bash more peoples heads in with a brick
No not just videos and SS's theres much more but your not going to bother to look for it though are you?
And are you gonna care to read search past the second paragraph? He has a good point in paragraphs 3 and 4, and a huge point on that last one
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No not really, example paragraph 4. The fact that he doesnt realize that other companies dont do games like this because it runs a risk of losing money and companies really only care what their sure about getting them money and he also doesnt know that by adding more devs doesnt make the game go any faster and at a point its detrimental to the game.
Um, more people making the game means more work done over a shorter time. More accomplished over a shorter time does mean that you are getting it done faster. I mean ya, have like 1000 people working on it would make it slow down a lot because of having to manage the employees. But most companies have like 50-200 people. I don't see how having more people can be "detrimental to the game", I mean you are spreading your opinion out further than with a small group, but that happens anyway. Secondly, if a game has a follower base like this, and all the concepts of this game, then I'm pretty damn sure it would make money. It would just be a hard game to make because of technical limitations. I mean, if this game looked like it was going to come out, or if it looked like it's not going to be another Dark Messiah of Might and Magic, if it does. Then I'm sure that most of the other games would have their followers running over here like lemmings off a cliff.
You have to look at it through i business perspective which is not the same as a player perspective. Businesses like to follow a model that is succesful and the since the most successful one was WoW they followed its model. Businesses dont like to risk money and a game like DF is a risk no matter how fun it may be.
You have to look at it through i business perspective which is not the same as a player perspective. Businesses like to follow a model that is succesful and the since the most successful one was WoW they followed its model. Businesses dont like to risk money and a game like DF is a risk no matter how fun it may be.
The numbers in my above quote are actually really quite off. But 12-24 is off pretty bad too. WoW followed the 70~ model. Back when they were making the game, when asked about how many people were working on it they said that they had about 70 people working on it so it was a pretty big team. WoW got precisely what they were going for too. I can safely assume that there are about 50 people working on WAR/AoC. PotBS is a smaller company but I would say that there pulling 30-40 people working on it.
You have to look at it through i business perspective which is not the same as a player perspective. Businesses like to follow a model that is succesful and the since the most successful one was WoW they followed its model. Businesses dont like to risk money and a game like DF is a risk no matter how fun it may be.
The numbers in my above quote are actually really quite off. But 12-24 is off pretty bad too. WoW followed the 70~ model. Back when they were making the game, when asked about how many people were working on it they said that they had about 70 people working on it so it was a pretty big team. WoW got precisely what they were going for too. I can safely assume that there are about 50 people working on WAR/AoC. PotBS is a smaller company but I would say that there pulling 30-40 people working on it.
Yet none of those numbers are in the 100+ range that he was talking about.
You have to look at it through i business perspective which is not the same as a player perspective. Businesses like to follow a model that is succesful and the since the most successful one was WoW they followed its model. Businesses dont like to risk money and a game like DF is a risk no matter how fun it may be.
The numbers in my above quote are actually really quite off. But 12-24 is off pretty bad too. WoW followed the 70~ model. Back when they were making the game, when asked about how many people were working on it they said that they had about 70 people working on it so it was a pretty big team. WoW got precisely what they were going for too. I can safely assume that there are about 50 people working on WAR/AoC. PotBS is a smaller company but I would say that there pulling 30-40 people working on it.
Yet none of those numbers are in the 100+ range that he was talking about.
What's your point? He got a number wrong. I said up to 200 which was wrong. You said 12-24 which is only right for small companies or large groups of indie developers.
Plain and simple its vaporware if you can't see that by now you got problems. Hell let's try to even give you the benefit of the doubt say it does come out they'll need a good 3-4 month closed beta cycle minimum to iron out bugs and a around a half a month to one month open beta that'd mean by around February at the earliest it could be released if that all more or less happened starting tomorrow which we all know isn't gonna happen.
For the sake of argument though let's say it did the game would soon fold over and kill itself upon arrival much like shadowbane and others that have tried to replicate UO's glory days the fact of the matter is UO has survived primarily because it changed to be more like EQ, diablo, WoW, and other games.
If UO had remained more or less stagnant and let it evolve around open pvp let it was until EA bought out and took over origin the game likely would have fizzled out just like shadow bane within a year or two. It was still growing during that time period, but it would've peaked and declined just as rapidly a large reason behind it's growth back then was simply because it was the only thing on the market initially for a long time and even by the EA buyout there were only 2 other games on the market at that time EQ and AC so there was little to no competition for them to compete with and anyone with a computer that wasn't capable of EQ or AC at the time had to default to UO. EQ in particular had steep system requirements to run well when it came out for quite some time. Anyways that's my take and as much as I like UO's infancy it likely would've pulled a shadow bane if hadn't made the changes it did.
You have to look at it through i business perspective which is not the same as a player perspective. Businesses like to follow a model that is succesful and the since the most successful one was WoW they followed its model. Businesses dont like to risk money and a game like DF is a risk no matter how fun it may be.
The numbers in my above quote are actually really quite off. But 12-24 is off pretty bad too. WoW followed the 70~ model. Back when they were making the game, when asked about how many people were working on it they said that they had about 70 people working on it so it was a pretty big team. WoW got precisely what they were going for too. I can safely assume that there are about 50 people working on WAR/AoC. PotBS is a smaller company but I would say that there pulling 30-40 people working on it.
Yet none of those numbers are in the 100+ range that he was talking about.
What's your point? He got a number wrong. I said up to 200 which was wrong. You said 12-24 which is only right for small companies or large groups of indie developers.
It is close and there is still the point that smaller teams are usually wanted than huge teams.
man people are so mis-informed UO was always over 150k+ before Trammel was introduced lol just go look at any and all MMO charts. hell even wikipedia can tell you that people not to stop posting lies about UO.
Sure Trammel along with other expansions gained them more audiences. um, expansions always do this you know. Even City of Villains expansion for City Of Heroes added bout 50k subscribers.
edit- this reply is to knowom or whatever his name is
You have to look at it through i business perspective which is not the same as a player perspective. Businesses like to follow a model that is succesful and the since the most successful one was WoW they followed its model. Businesses dont like to risk money and a game like DF is a risk no matter how fun it may be.
The numbers in my above quote are actually really quite off. But 12-24 is off pretty bad too. WoW followed the 70~ model. Back when they were making the game, when asked about how many people were working on it they said that they had about 70 people working on it so it was a pretty big team. WoW got precisely what they were going for too. I can safely assume that there are about 50 people working on WAR/AoC. PotBS is a smaller company but I would say that there pulling 30-40 people working on it.
Yet none of those numbers are in the 100+ range that he was talking about.
What's your point? He got a number wrong. I said up to 200 which was wrong. You said 12-24 which is only right for small companies or large groups of indie developers.
It is close and there is still the point that smaller teams are usually wanted than huge teams.
Umm, no they aren't, see how pretty much every MMO on the most hyped and highest rated list on this website have like ~50 people working on it. 12-24 isn't much closer to 40-70 than 100+ is. You were 16 off and he was 30. Leaving a difference of 14 which is not far off at all on this scale.
You have to look at it through i business perspective which is not the same as a player perspective. Businesses like to follow a model that is succesful and the since the most successful one was WoW they followed its model. Businesses dont like to risk money and a game like DF is a risk no matter how fun it may be.
The numbers in my above quote are actually really quite off. But 12-24 is off pretty bad too. WoW followed the 70~ model. Back when they were making the game, when asked about how many people were working on it they said that they had about 70 people working on it so it was a pretty big team. WoW got precisely what they were going for too. I can safely assume that there are about 50 people working on WAR/AoC. PotBS is a smaller company but I would say that there pulling 30-40 people working on it.
Yet none of those numbers are in the 100+ range that he was talking about.
What's your point? He got a number wrong. I said up to 200 which was wrong. You said 12-24 which is only right for small companies or large groups of indie developers.
It is close and there is still the point that smaller teams are usually wanted than huge teams.
Umm, no they aren't, see how pretty much every MMO on the most hyped and highest rated list on this website have like ~50 people working on it. 12-24 isn't much closer to 40-70 than 100+ is. You were 16 off and he was 30. Leaving a difference of 14 which is not far off at all on this scale.
That doenst take away that the fact that smaller groups are preferred over large ones.