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As long as the default UI is playable then more people will get into the game. Unless one or the other is seriously lacking funcitonality right out of the box, then why is this even being nit picked. I know the WoW default does everything essential that is needed, but its been to long since Ive seen the EQ2 default to recall.
Maybe its just a difference in the type of game play a person is looking for. WoW and EQ2 are completely different games with different community mind sets. Personally WoW's ok when I want some mindless grinding because well there's not really a learning curve unless your into raiding. EQ2 is more of a challenge the moment you get high enough to start leaving the cities. Not to mention there's a ton of quests that are all about learning about the world's history, creature lore and more. WoW does have a little bit of but no where on the scale that EQ2's has.
There's just alot more variance in the content in EQ2 than wow I think thats the reason EQ2's community is vastly different from the WoW fanboi crowded communities. WoW's majority is all about showing off and all about getting right to the end game where all the 'meat' of the game really exists. EQ2 has 'meaty' content all through out. Its not something those who are more into the end of a game can really appreciate. I mean its an MMO whats the point of rushing to the end?? Isn't a MMO supposed to go on forever?
WoW and EQ2 both have good points and bad points but in my personal opinion my true MMO love has to go to EQ2. EQ2 gives you and its community give you the option to play anyway you want. WoW's never had that option its probably the most linear MMO I've ever played.
Personally threads like this just scream silly arguments. I could see if EQ2 and WoW had the exact same playstyle in mind that comparisons would actually be beneficial. But they're not even remotely similiar in the playstyles they're built for.
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Maybe its just a difference in the type of game play a person is looking for. WoW and EQ2 are completely different games with different community mind sets. Personally WoW's ok when I want some mindless grinding because well there's not really a learning curve unless your into raiding. EQ2 is more of a challenge the moment you get high enough to start leaving the cities. Not to mention there's a ton of quests that are all about learning about the world's history, creature lore and more. WoW does have a little bit of but no where on the scale that EQ2's has.
There's just alot more variance in the content in EQ2 than wow I think thats the reason EQ2's community is vastly different from the WoW fanboi crowded communities. WoW's majority is all about showing off and all about getting right to the end game where all the 'meat' of the game really exists. EQ2 has 'meaty' content all through out. Its not something those who are more into the end of a game can really appreciate. I mean its an MMO whats the point of rushing to the end?? Isn't a MMO supposed to go on forever?
WoW and EQ2 both have good points and bad points but in my personal opinion my true MMO love has to go to EQ2. EQ2 gives you and its community give you the option to play anyway you want. WoW's never had that option its probably the most linear MMO I've ever played.
Personally threads like this just scream silly arguments. I could see if EQ2 and WoW had the exact same playstyle in mind that comparisons would actually be beneficial. But they're not even remotely similiar in the playstyles they're built for.
... I think the highlighted paragraph sums up the difference the best. WoW is all about the end-game (raiding & PvP), while EQ2 is about experiencing the story and having fun. I hear of so many guilds that are focused on the weekly raid schedules in WoW. I have not heard of such phenomenon in EQ2 yet. Heck, I've played multiple characters to lvl 30+ in EQ2 and pretty much enjoyed the story for each one. Yet, I only had one character above lvl 30 in WoW, as I just couldn't stand the quest "story lines" in WoW again.I enjoyed my time in WoW, and I get nostalgia for it every now and then. However, I still find that EQ2 beats it in enjoyability at almost every point.
EQ 2 is weak sauce. I subscribed to that game and played for two months before moving to vanguard. No offense but EQ2 would be alot better if it didn't have zones. When a game has zones unless its single player I bail because the time zoning just drives me nuts. It already takes forever to level, why burden us with zones?
I am interetsed in trying Vanguard now (wish they had a demo)...as it sounds like EQ2 with no zoning, and various tracks of play..
Anyone got a buddy key to loan me?...lol
Cheers!
i dont mind the zoning....i usually hang out in 1 area until i level out of the zone or do most of the quests in it...so i dont do much zoning in a given time frame. and sorry anyone who says "weaksauce" and has a tag wow4lifer...well i think it says enough
1) Who cares?
2) EQ2's tedious, overblown crafting system is one of the reasons I quit.
3) Recasting a buff is not that big a deal.
4) Good teaming with evil is stupid as hell.
5) Selling quest items only makes it harder to find groups to quest for items. That sucks.
6) EQ2's racial abilities are beyond trivial. But I agree that non-XP achievements are cool.
7) I hate EQ2's character models. I wish WoW had more variety, but I don't hate them.
8) I don't care.
9) Having to grind guild levels is even worse than having to grind character levels.
10) Many of the classes are not all that different from each other.
11 and 12 are good.
Not that I play WoW anymore, either, but EQ2 isn't a glowing bastion of RPG perfection.
The biggest thing WoW has going against it is the community.
I would give you one but i purchased it the first day it came out online and I never recieved any buddy keys. Does anyone know if you get any with the digital download?
I just hate zoning and in single player games you have to take it cause there isn't much competition. In online games i won't support it because there are games that don't have it. Plus I'll miss out on oblvion if i stay too strict with my criteria.
While I agree and disagree with many of the posts made here, I cant help but find it amusing how posts like these always seem to get the biggest response out of people here. Seems the opinion posts always get'm rolling in, while the noob help posts get looked over. I guess there isnt anything new worth saying anymore... or the EQ community isnt as helpful as ti used to be.
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*This thread contains enough compressed stupidity to erase all science as far back as the middle ages.
Yet...by reading this post, it gave some good info for the new people...barring the flamers (I did not know about horseback combat)...but, I also agree that maybe the post should have read something like...10 reasons that EQ2 is a cool MMO...or something...because we could have made it
10 Reason EQ2 is better than LOTRO...I would have so enjoyed that one..
Cheers!
Hate to disappoint, but vanguard is not zoneless. In vanguard it is called chunking. Like many things in vanguard though it is designed where it can be improved in that the world is seamless or there are no artificial barriers that break the world into contained areas.
In vanguard you have a seamless world where you can run in any direction as far as you like. When you come to the edge of a chunk there is a 5-30 second freeze and then you continue. You can see across the seam and see mobs and players etc. But you can't get agro and a mob will not chase you. In beta they would but people would get killed chunking so that doesn't happen anymore...
However it is reasonable to expect that the chunking times will decrease in time and at some point maybe vanguard will become truely zoneless.
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Ethion
Hate to disappoint, but vanguard is not zoneless. In vanguard it is called chunking. Like many things in vanguard though it is designed where it can be improved in that the world is seamless or there are no artificial barriers that break the world into contained areas.
In vanguard you have a seamless world where you can run in any direction as far as you like. When you come to the edge of a chunk there is a 5-30 second freeze and then you continue. You can see across the seam and see mobs and players etc. But you can't get agro and a mob will not chase you. In beta they would but people would get killed chunking so that doesn't happen anymore...
However it is reasonable to expect that the chunking times will decrease in time and at some point maybe vanguard will become truely zoneless.
Cool...reminds me of LOTRO...where if you crossed a border, you would hitch or lock up...so, it would not be an issue...now how is solo play compared to grouping in VSoH....Can you level without help, and are items good enough going solo...
Cheers!
How can one think one is so much better than the other is beyond me.
There are pros and cons to both games. It just seems, the target audience isn't exactly the same, so not all cons and pros will be agreed on.
As a casual gamer (played most MMOs as casual as in NOT INTEREST IN RAIDING!) both games are good, but not excellent. Persoanlly I think WoW's PvP system is its weakest part. Not because it is buggy, just because it pales in comparison to a predecessor: DAoC. i mean how hard was to just copy the PvP perfection DAoC was?
PvE, IMO, EQ1 is leagues better than both. Even though Currently I'm playing EQ2, EQ1 allowed you (or certaint casses) many options. Perhaps too many, whch led devs to make gameplay much more controlled in the newer games (EQ2 AND WoW).
I thought WoW was pretty good game, didn't like the graphics too much, too cute for me. but I liked the areas and racial towns, very EQesque. Now i thought there were too few classes and the talent tree didn't differentiate the gameplay that much. And lack of customization was a big problem. I mean, who playing mmoRPG likes to see hundred players running around who look and do things exaclt y like you?
EQ2 is a very good and complex game. Now complex is a stretch I think MMOs are very simple games, even though ppl like to say otherwise, perhaps to justify the amount of time they spent on it. I like the number of classes on EQ2. I don't like that some of them don't solo well, or at all like the Shaman (Mystic and Defiler). i don't like some of the blatant timesicks that are still in the game. i don't like the too many expansions that are almost mandatory or the zoning (it's OK but not having it is better). And I don't like that even though you can have a feel for the class before lvl20, only after lvl20 you will be able to truly experience your class.
Again, both good games. One appeals to a much wider audiance, while the other to the fans of the genre. I'll be playing EQ2 until WAR comes out. If they implement RvR like DAoC and mix a little some aspects of WoW and EQ2, it could be a huge hit.
rofl and you're on a mmorpg forum because?.................................
Umm, are you saying WoW and EQ2 are the only games out there? No wonder you are still playing EQ2 if you are unaware of the existence of anything else.
rofl and you're on a mmorpg forum because?.................................
Umm, are you saying WoW and EQ2 are the only games out there? No wonder you are still playing EQ2 if you are unaware of the existence of anything else.
Really...we don't need to argue about this. Each game is good in it's own way actually....I have enjoyed both...
Now, LOTRO? Thats another story...and I just dont have room here for a 100 things EQ2 AND WoW do better than LOTRO..
Namecalling and contradicting your own original post... so from this I should draw the conclusion that all EQ players are... what? Well I'm not gonna stoop to your lvl, suffice to say this thread is massive fail from start
All things being equal, ie if the games were more or less similar, and not going into the actual differences inthe game, the most inportant other thing is the player base, and whether you like it or not WoW has a bigger one then EQ2.
I can get into a random party for a hi level instance in less than an hour in WoW, even mid level instance, 30 to 50 lvl, 5 man parties can be found quite easily, these are mainly alts.
The last time i played EQ2 i found that i and one other(about the same level as me) were the only ones on the entire server that could party together. After a couple of days of this i quit the game and went back to WoW.
Don't know if this has change recently or not.
The life blood of any MMO is the number of players, this of course is deteremined by the game it self.
Personally WoW and its 8 million players can kiss my ass because I get tired of dealing with the 5.4 million of them that tend to be complete idiots. (just my thought on the wow is better cause there's more people theory)
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not really. at least not according to math but hey
edit: cant delete doubles ouch
IMO, the Only thing that EQ2 is missing is decent BG. It does have Arenas for those that don't know. The issue is that many EQII players don't know it either -- they suck. At least because no one ever uses them they suck more then they might otherwise.
On the other hand, not having BGs keeps out a lot of issues like class balance, obnoxious folks that have to tell you how awesome they are because they PVP non-stop (somehow they figure that makes them more of a man then those that like to quest, raid, or otherwise PVE -- nonesense).
The primary reason I left Wow was the BGs. While they were a ball of fun to play with while leveling up. Once you hit max level they become (or did when I played) jokes. Only those that could PVP every single day and raid for equipment non-stop stood a real chance. And the mentality of players was always hostile unless you were their group-mate / guildie.
So all in all I am pretty happy with EQ2. Even if I only ever PVE there.