We all know WoW sucks generally at least the people who have bothered to look at/played other games, I've given my own reasons as to why ( look at my bloody history posts before flaming please, I've posted almost half a page on the subject at times ) the only problem is that there is nothing else that's different because all these developers want to hop on the imaginary money money wagon and go down WoW Clone lane so that they can reach the subscriber tree where money grows for them. Yes that was a complete ridiculous thing to say but I've gotten so sick of trying to explain it at length professionally when people don't even pay bloody attention, but in any case, all we have are clones and while there is EVE Online which I have to say at least has TRIED to do something original instead of act like a bunch of pansies even though 8 million people is actually a very small fraction of the entire world if you look at it in real figures, if developers want to get the millions that World of Warcraft have, there is no point in trying to steal subscribers, they need to find their own player base that wants to play the game THEY want to play.
Darkfall and Chronicles of Spellborn, maybe huxley and tabula rasa but I haven't kept a close eye on those two, these four are the most original MMORPG's I have seen in YEARS and I don't understand why it's taken so long.
Quoting people doesn't make you clever, in fact, it makes you all the more stupid for not bothering to read the quotes you post in the first place.
Phrases like "we all know WoW sucks" are the height of ignorance. Just because you do not like the game, as you have stated here, many, many times, doesn't mean that there aren't a great many of us that do.
If you don't like it, just don't worry about it. You claim that those of us that like it haven't played other games, which is another ignorant statement. May I suggest finding a different genre of game if you don't like it?
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
I really don't understand why people feel the need to come to the forums of a game they no longer play or have never played and complain about it, if you don't like a game that is fine, just move on and find one that you do like.
Anyway, back to the original post;
1 - I don't think that Blizzard themselves directly claimed that the game was for one type of player or another as that would be a big commercial mistake. At the end of the day the game is what you make of it, as for myself i am not a big raider or dungeon runner and rarely PvP yet i have still been enjoying the game since launch.
2 - I think the problem with this statement is basiacally what you consider to be a 'well rounded game'? Again, this really goes back to the first statement and i agree that if you are going to be a slave to the raid/dungeon scene then you may have to spec a certain way but it is still your choice. I enjoy the game very much using my own PvE spec and even enjoy moderate success in PvP (7 wins, 3 losses best) without feeling compelled to change.
3 - I don't think you are going to find a character based game that does have totally balanced classes and it is all part of the evolution process. As i don't raid most of my kit is blue drop/faction stuff and as mentioned before it suites my play style so i see no real need to change.
4 - My main is a L70 Rogue and i think they have a very tough time in PvP, especialy arena's (detect invisibility buff sucks) but that just makes it more of a challenge and even more satisfying when a mage is laying dead at my feet.
5 - On my server most stuff is expensive now with inflation over time, but on the flip side money is not exactly hard to come by in the outlands anyway, with a farming rate of about 2-600g an hour when i really need some cash.
At the end of the day you have to do what is best for yourself and if you feel that you are being forced to play the game in a certain way to enjoy it, then fair enough it is your right not to play, but my own personal experience is very different. I play the game the way i want to play it and will not let anyone else tell me whether that is right or wrong as i pay for my subscription and spend 'my' time playing. I hope you find a game that you do like and enjoy many hours playing.
It must be Thursday, i never could get the hang of Thursdays.
sorry OP, you arent allowed to post your own experiences and opinions here. I love the kids trying to downplay and invalidate YOUR opinion with THEIR equally if not more drab posting. Some day the consumer whore kids whose brains have been wiped by large corporations and too much TV will grow up, have kids, and realize that one of the LEAST important things in the world is their misguided pride in a video game of all things.
P.S. Obesity is on the rise, math and reading scores are on the fall. 'nuff said
Stop playing cause WoW patch was causing error on my PC. But since they got the 'millions work and you don't' logic... I can't argue and thus, I stop playing..
Originally posted by Arcken sorry OP, you arent allowed to post your own experiences and opinions here. I love the kids trying to downplay and invalidate YOUR opinion with THEIR equally if not more drab posting. Some day the consumer whore kids whose brains have been wiped by large corporations and too much TV will grow up, have kids, and realize that one of the LEAST important things in the world is their misguided pride in a video game of all things.
Of course the OP is allowed to post his experience and opinions on here or any other forum of his choice, but by the same token everyone else and his brother is also allowed their opinion too and unfortunately that may mean that some people don't agree. Yes, some posts will be a little drab, but that does not make a persons opinion any less valid.
.....and please, what the hell is all this 'consumer whore' stuff??? Unless you live in a home on a self sustainable farm with no electricity, running water, tv, phone, radio, internet connection or money, you are gonna have a really hard time convincing me that you do not support large corporations in one way or another (i mean there is advertising all around you on this page). Plus, i don't know for sure but i would take a good guess that you have played or currently play MMO's of one sort or another yourself, so.....
It must be Thursday, i never could get the hang of Thursdays.
What you describe is the FIGHT THE SYSTEM mentality that we see a lot of around here. It's the Internet forum equivalent of playing Rage Against the Machine or Slipknot really loud in your bedroom despite the protests of your parents. Blizzard are the big, bad evil corp who perform experiements on babies and use mind control techniques to force people to play their game, which is of course, inferior to less popular alternatives which add to your nerd-cred.*
If something is popular, it's uncool and certainly non-nerd like. It's like when people stop associating themselves with a band because they're discovered by the mainstream population. This attitude has nothing to do with the quality of WoW (which is very high), but more to do with FIGHTING THE SYSTEM.
* Before anyone asks, yes, I am a nerd, and having a pre-disposition to avoiding the hustle and bustle of mainstream and preferring a quiet and pseudo-intellectual route to life, I can understand where a lot of people are coming from. I like being with other nerds, and despite WoW being perhaps the least nerdy MMO of all, there's still plenty of room for cereberal pleasures in this game, it is after all an an online RPG.
Of course, the self-proclaimed MMO elite will disagree with me. But in every aspect of society there are the pretentious few who like to consider themselves superior to the horde. The masses must be wrong because they are part of the SYSTEM which we must FIGHT, until we get old enough to know better. I find it amusing to check the ages of posters when they complain about kids, when they're not even old enough to have a credit card (which most MMOs) prefer. Perhaps not having their own credit card is another part of the reason why they must FIGHT THE SYSTEM of pay-to-play MMOs.
And before the WoW detractors latch onto this admittedly rather pompous diatribe like a Half-Life 2 head-crab would to my face, I am sure there are many people who legitimately do not enjoy WoW for what it offers and this isn't part of some teenage rebellious phase. I do however notice that many people here are teenagers, and a hell of a lot of these teen have a rather alarming hatred for the game.
Until they get old enough to admit they like something popular, this is the fate of many people who think that 9 million people are part of the SYSTEM. The sad fact is, few of them will ever admit I'm right until they've gained a few more hairs in wierd and wonderful places!
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
I'm actually really glad block works properly, I don't have to listen to the trolls anymore, developers at the moment are more interested in making class based/level based games, the ones I mentioned above are the ones I think that seem to veer away from that grind aspect, they may take awhile to be released, so I'd suggest just buying some single player games to waste time on or perhaps get into the beta for some of them if you can, class and level based games USED to be fun, I still find myself playing NWN2 and Baldurs Gate 2 because they are the games that have done the class and level system RIGHT, instead of just picking eight boring standard classes they have a lot more than that, not only that in NWN2 they have classes you can level up to like Weapons Master or Divine Champion. In any case I've found myself playing these types of games more than MMORPG's lately, just because they've managed to do something interesting with the system rather than just constantly clone the same thing over and over again.
Sure NWN2 may be linear and the storyline is rather uninspiring compared to other games Bioware have published/released but what games aren't in this industry these days?
Quoting people doesn't make you clever, in fact, it makes you all the more stupid for not bothering to read the quotes you post in the first place.
Neverwinter Nights 2 was developed by Obsidian, not Bioware. It was published by Atari, again... not Bioware. And NWN2, despite having fancy names for things, isn't terribly far removed from WoW's talent system.
Lets look at the evidence:
- Racial abilities? Check.
- Character classes? Check.
- Levels? Check.
- Attribute increases with each level? Check.
- Customizable abilites with each level (every 2 levels 1-60 in WoW, then every 1 level thereafter)? Check.
- Ability to make one class significantly different than another of that same class, via talents and abilites? Check.
WoW is actually pretty much identical to NWN2 in every way (I know it's based on the DND3.5 ruleset, but the similarties are striking). There's a slight difference with the way you can choose which attributes to increase, and there's the whole lawful/evil thing - but each has alternatives in WoW (Reputation instead of good/evil) What's the difference between a Weapons Master in NWN2 and an Arms-specced Warrior in WoW? Divine Champion and Holy Paladin? Hmm...
Again, just mindless bashing WoW assuming that we've never played other games. I rest my case!
Oh and BTW NWN2 is inferior to it's Bioware developed predecessor, much like KOTOR was superior to Sith Lords which was also developed by Obsidian. But the skill and class systems remain the same. Obviously, we know that the reason why WoW "sucks" and NWN2 doesn't, is because.... erm.... it's cool to hate WoW... amirite? Forget reason and logic, just ignore anything good about WoW, cos it's easier that way.... sigh.
I know that OK21 has blocked me for trolling (read: a euphamism for revealing his arguments to be false), but I do like to clear misinformation up.
I said baldurs gate 2 and Neverwinter Nights 2 were PUBLISHED/Developed by Bioware I never said they developed both of them, I stopped reading after that by the way.
Quoting people doesn't make you clever, in fact, it makes you all the more stupid for not bothering to read the quotes you post in the first place.
Sure NWN2 may be linear and the storyline is rather uninspiring compared to other games Bioware have published/released
So this is kind of a grey area. You basically picked up on the only point (which happens to be the least relevant) that you could argue against, and of course you ignored the rest of the post, because it demonstrates why NWN2's class system isnt the mind blowing WoW-owning super-duper awesome thing you make it out to be, when they are in fact, almost identical.
This also means you never blocked me!
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
^^ What you describe is the FIGHT THE SYSTEM mentality that we see a lot of around here. It's the Internet forum equivalent of playing Rage Against the Machine or Slipknot really loud in your bedroom despite the protests of your parents. Blizzard are the big, bad evil corp who perform experiements on babies and use mind control techniques to force people to play their game, which is of course, inferior to less popular alternatives which add to your nerd-cred.* If something is popular, it's uncool and certainly non-nerd like. It's like when people stop associating themselves with a band because they're discovered by the mainstream population. This attitude has nothing to do with the quality of WoW (which is very high), but more to do with FIGHTING THE SYSTEM. * Before anyone asks, yes, I am a nerd, and having a pre-disposition to avoiding the hustle and bustle of mainstream and preferring a quiet and pseudo-intellectual route to life, I can understand where a lot of people are coming from. I like being with other nerds, and despite WoW being perhaps the least nerdy MMO of all, there's still plenty of room for cereberal pleasures in this game, it is after all an an online RPG. Of course, the self-proclaimed MMO elite will disagree with me. But in every aspect of society there are the pretentious few who like to consider themselves superior to the horde. The masses must be wrong because they are part of the SYSTEM which we must FIGHT, until we get old enough to know better. I find it amusing to check the ages of posters when they complain about kids, when they're not even old enough to have a credit card (which most MMOs) prefer. Perhaps not having their own credit card is another part of the reason why they must FIGHT THE SYSTEM of pay-to-play MMOs. And before the WoW detractors latch onto this admittedly rather pompous diatribe like a Half-Life 2 head-crab would to my face, I am sure there are many people who legitimately do not enjoy WoW for what it offers and this isn't part of some teenage rebellious phase. I do however notice that many people here are teenagers, and a hell of a lot of these teen have a rather alarming hatred for the game. Until they get old enough to admit they like something popular, this is the fate of many people who think that 9 million people are part of the SYSTEM. The sad fact is, few of them will ever admit I'm right until they've gained a few more hairs in wierd and wonderful places!
OMG, that made my day...and I was having a bad one, so a BIG THANK YOU!!!! LOL I loved it.
People keep saying that World of Borecraft has 9 million people... in fact, Blizzard counts every sub they have, mainly the FREE Asian ones given to cafes throughout Asian.
Also since World of Asiacraft is FREE over there, of COUSE Blizzard is going to say "HEY LOOK!, WE HAVE 9 MILLION! RAWR!!!" In fact, if you broke it down, they probably don't even have 10% of that which other compaines are figureing out.
I guess you can say Runescape's an amazing game because it has something like 5 million people... so it MUST BE GOOD since there's so many mindless lemining playing it...
People keep saying that World of Borecraft has 9 million people... in fact, Blizzard counts every sub they have, mainly the FREE Asian ones given to cafes throughout Asian. Also since World of Asiacraft is FREE over there, of COUSE Blizzard is going to say "HEY LOOK!, WE HAVE 9 MILLION! RAWR!!!" In fact, if you broke it down, they probably don't even have 10% of that which other compaines are figureing out. I guess you can say Runescape's an amazing game because it has something like 5 million people... so it MUST BE GOOD since there's so many mindless lemining playing it... MUST BE!
They do pay in China.. WoW is not F2P any where in the world, so yes they are subscribers and total 9 million around the world, 2-3 million of which are in the west.
Now back into the hole with you.. WHO LET HIM OUT!?
Of course they pay but many of the asian cafes are paying 50 cents a month for WoW accounts..and thats a great price for them to farm the WoW community ..wouldnt surprise me at all if they pay Blizzard kick back .
Of course they pay but many of the asian cafes are paying 50 cents a month for WoW accounts..and thats a great price for them to farm the WoW community ..wouldnt surprise me at all if they pay Blizzard kick back .
You should also take into account that the average person in china earns $2000 a year compared to a europen on $30,000 and so on. so 4 cent might not sound like much to us.
To play Wow in china costs 4cent a hour, not sure what all this "net cafe pays" stuff, an individual has to pay a few $ to buy a new account and pay 4cent and hour to play it.
Plus Blizzard get zero money from china subs directly, the9 pays blizzard a fee to operate WoW in china. Blizzard are 100% hands off in china.
I think it is funny that you think blizzard loves rogues so much. Vanish has been screwed up for so long and when the night elf druids have a little problem they Hot Fix it and still let their so called favorite class stay broken. This is what I think. I bet you sucked at the game first of all and second you just were a annoying anti-social person and that is the reason why you never could raid or have friends. I bet your one of those people who expect someone to whisper you saying hey you want to come raid tonight with us? Oh well, every mmo has to have people bitch about something. I just believe the reasons you posted for leaving are bogus.
In that case if Blizzard gets 0 dollars from asian accounts and they are 100% hands off they shoudnt include them in there sub count
To assume that Blizzard doesn't make money out of Asia is naive beyond belief. That Blizzard receive 50 bucks from The9 despite the number of players over there, might be an appealing prospect to those looking to downplay the success of WoW, but outside of Cloud-Cuckoo-Land where corporations exist to make money, this is laughable.
Noone has posted anything other than speculation as to how much money The9 pay Blizzard. They license the game to The9, how much they get is a moot point. It's a different economy. I could get into a serious epic post about how China's economy is vastly different to ours, but this is in response to a 1 liner post, in a thread most people have got bored of by now, so I'll just stick to the basics.
If people in Asia are actively playing World of Warcraft, paying for the game like they would any other game over there, why shouldn't this count? Just because they have a different economy, earn far less, and have an entirely different culture, they are still paying to play this game.
Blizzard make the game, they provide the content, so for being hands off, we're talking about distribution, and distributing games in China is better handled by the Chinese, lets be honest here. CCP licences their game out to Optic Communications. EQ2 was licensed to Gamania. Everyone plays by the same rules, and you can bet if any of these western companies had the success of WoW, they would be shooting from the rooftops about it, because that's what marketing people do.
Even before the Internet, corporations were multinational. So why, in our enlighted age of the Internet, do Asian subs not count?
Ahhhh... because, it's World of Warcraft, and you just want to play down the success of the game. I understand that many of us are used to participating in fantasy worlds, but in the real world, World of Warcraft has 9 million active paying accounts, and for all the ways you can pour scorn on the game, debating these numbers isn't one of them.
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
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Apparently the OP thinks someone here gives a fuck.
OP is mistaken.
If you have had enough then why did you read it to begin with? If you have truly had enough of these types of threads, that is?
Flame away!
I'm not flaming, I'm just pointing out a fact.
I know you might not think that YOUR reason is the same as the other 2 million, but face it... it's all the same reason.
Why did I reply? Because I felt like it... that's why.
You don't see me posting;
People do these all the time and we don't need another reminder why someone quit WoW for the 10,000th time.
We all know WoW sucks generally at least the people who have bothered to look at/played other games, I've given my own reasons as to why ( look at my bloody history posts before flaming please, I've posted almost half a page on the subject at times ) the only problem is that there is nothing else that's different because all these developers want to hop on the imaginary money money wagon and go down WoW Clone lane so that they can reach the subscriber tree where money grows for them. Yes that was a complete ridiculous thing to say but I've gotten so sick of trying to explain it at length professionally when people don't even pay bloody attention, but in any case, all we have are clones and while there is EVE Online which I have to say at least has TRIED to do something original instead of act like a bunch of pansies even though 8 million people is actually a very small fraction of the entire world if you look at it in real figures, if developers want to get the millions that World of Warcraft have, there is no point in trying to steal subscribers, they need to find their own player base that wants to play the game THEY want to play.
Darkfall and Chronicles of Spellborn, maybe huxley and tabula rasa but I haven't kept a close eye on those two, these four are the most original MMORPG's I have seen in YEARS and I don't understand why it's taken so long.
Quoting people doesn't make you clever, in fact, it makes you all the more stupid for not bothering to read the quotes you post in the first place.
Phrases like "we all know WoW sucks" are the height of ignorance. Just because you do not like the game, as you have stated here, many, many times, doesn't mean that there aren't a great many of us that do.
If you don't like it, just don't worry about it. You claim that those of us that like it haven't played other games, which is another ignorant statement. May I suggest finding a different genre of game if you don't like it?
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
I really don't understand why people feel the need to come to the forums of a game they no longer play or have never played and complain about it, if you don't like a game that is fine, just move on and find one that you do like.
Anyway, back to the original post;
1 - I don't think that Blizzard themselves directly claimed that the game was for one type of player or another as that would be a big commercial mistake. At the end of the day the game is what you make of it, as for myself i am not a big raider or dungeon runner and rarely PvP yet i have still been enjoying the game since launch.
2 - I think the problem with this statement is basiacally what you consider to be a 'well rounded game'? Again, this really goes back to the first statement and i agree that if you are going to be a slave to the raid/dungeon scene then you may have to spec a certain way but it is still your choice. I enjoy the game very much using my own PvE spec and even enjoy moderate success in PvP (7 wins, 3 losses best) without feeling compelled to change.
3 - I don't think you are going to find a character based game that does have totally balanced classes and it is all part of the evolution process. As i don't raid most of my kit is blue drop/faction stuff and as mentioned before it suites my play style so i see no real need to change.
4 - My main is a L70 Rogue and i think they have a very tough time in PvP, especialy arena's (detect invisibility buff sucks) but that just makes it more of a challenge and even more satisfying when a mage is laying dead at my feet.
5 - On my server most stuff is expensive now with inflation over time, but on the flip side money is not exactly hard to come by in the outlands anyway, with a farming rate of about 2-600g an hour when i really need some cash.
At the end of the day you have to do what is best for yourself and if you feel that you are being forced to play the game in a certain way to enjoy it, then fair enough it is your right not to play, but my own personal experience is very different. I play the game the way i want to play it and will not let anyone else tell me whether that is right or wrong as i pay for my subscription and spend 'my' time playing. I hope you find a game that you do like and enjoy many hours playing.
It must be Thursday, i never could get the hang of Thursdays.
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sorry OP, you arent allowed to post your own experiences and opinions here. I love the kids trying to downplay and invalidate YOUR opinion with THEIR equally if not more drab posting. Some day the consumer whore kids whose brains have been wiped by large corporations and too much TV will grow up, have kids, and realize that one of the LEAST important things in the world is their misguided pride in a video game of all things.
P.S. Obesity is on the rise, math and reading scores are on the fall. 'nuff said
Stop playing cause WoW patch was causing error on my PC. But since they got the 'millions work and you don't' logic... I can't argue and thus, I stop playing..
Of course the OP is allowed to post his experience and opinions on here or any other forum of his choice, but by the same token everyone else and his brother is also allowed their opinion too and unfortunately that may mean that some people don't agree. Yes, some posts will be a little drab, but that does not make a persons opinion any less valid.
.....and please, what the hell is all this 'consumer whore' stuff??? Unless you live in a home on a self sustainable farm with no electricity, running water, tv, phone, radio, internet connection or money, you are gonna have a really hard time convincing me that you do not support large corporations in one way or another (i mean there is advertising all around you on this page). Plus, i don't know for sure but i would take a good guess that you have played or currently play MMO's of one sort or another yourself, so.....
It must be Thursday, i never could get the hang of Thursdays.
^^
What you describe is the FIGHT THE SYSTEM mentality that we see a lot of around here. It's the Internet forum equivalent of playing Rage Against the Machine or Slipknot really loud in your bedroom despite the protests of your parents. Blizzard are the big, bad evil corp who perform experiements on babies and use mind control techniques to force people to play their game, which is of course, inferior to less popular alternatives which add to your nerd-cred.*
If something is popular, it's uncool and certainly non-nerd like. It's like when people stop associating themselves with a band because they're discovered by the mainstream population. This attitude has nothing to do with the quality of WoW (which is very high), but more to do with FIGHTING THE SYSTEM.
* Before anyone asks, yes, I am a nerd, and having a pre-disposition to avoiding the hustle and bustle of mainstream and preferring a quiet and pseudo-intellectual route to life, I can understand where a lot of people are coming from. I like being with other nerds, and despite WoW being perhaps the least nerdy MMO of all, there's still plenty of room for cereberal pleasures in this game, it is after all an an online RPG.
Of course, the self-proclaimed MMO elite will disagree with me. But in every aspect of society there are the pretentious few who like to consider themselves superior to the horde. The masses must be wrong because they are part of the SYSTEM which we must FIGHT, until we get old enough to know better. I find it amusing to check the ages of posters when they complain about kids, when they're not even old enough to have a credit card (which most MMOs) prefer. Perhaps not having their own credit card is another part of the reason why they must FIGHT THE SYSTEM of pay-to-play MMOs.
And before the WoW detractors latch onto this admittedly rather pompous diatribe like a Half-Life 2 head-crab would to my face, I am sure there are many people who legitimately do not enjoy WoW for what it offers and this isn't part of some teenage rebellious phase. I do however notice that many people here are teenagers, and a hell of a lot of these teen have a rather alarming hatred for the game.
Until they get old enough to admit they like something popular, this is the fate of many people who think that 9 million people are part of the SYSTEM. The sad fact is, few of them will ever admit I'm right until they've gained a few more hairs in wierd and wonderful places!
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
I'm actually really glad block works properly, I don't have to listen to the trolls anymore, developers at the moment are more interested in making class based/level based games, the ones I mentioned above are the ones I think that seem to veer away from that grind aspect, they may take awhile to be released, so I'd suggest just buying some single player games to waste time on or perhaps get into the beta for some of them if you can, class and level based games USED to be fun, I still find myself playing NWN2 and Baldurs Gate 2 because they are the games that have done the class and level system RIGHT, instead of just picking eight boring standard classes they have a lot more than that, not only that in NWN2 they have classes you can level up to like Weapons Master or Divine Champion. In any case I've found myself playing these types of games more than MMORPG's lately, just because they've managed to do something interesting with the system rather than just constantly clone the same thing over and over again.
Sure NWN2 may be linear and the storyline is rather uninspiring compared to other games Bioware have published/released but what games aren't in this industry these days?
Quoting people doesn't make you clever, in fact, it makes you all the more stupid for not bothering to read the quotes you post in the first place.
Neverwinter Nights 2 was developed by Obsidian, not Bioware. It was published by Atari, again... not Bioware. And NWN2, despite having fancy names for things, isn't terribly far removed from WoW's talent system.
Lets look at the evidence:
- Racial abilities? Check.
- Character classes? Check.
- Levels? Check.
- Attribute increases with each level? Check.
- Customizable abilites with each level (every 2 levels 1-60 in WoW, then every 1 level thereafter)? Check.
- Ability to make one class significantly different than another of that same class, via talents and abilites? Check.
WoW is actually pretty much identical to NWN2 in every way (I know it's based on the DND3.5 ruleset, but the similarties are striking). There's a slight difference with the way you can choose which attributes to increase, and there's the whole lawful/evil thing - but each has alternatives in WoW (Reputation instead of good/evil) What's the difference between a Weapons Master in NWN2 and an Arms-specced Warrior in WoW? Divine Champion and Holy Paladin? Hmm...
Again, just mindless bashing WoW assuming that we've never played other games. I rest my case!
Oh and BTW NWN2 is inferior to it's Bioware developed predecessor, much like KOTOR was superior to Sith Lords which was also developed by Obsidian. But the skill and class systems remain the same. Obviously, we know that the reason why WoW "sucks" and NWN2 doesn't, is because.... erm.... it's cool to hate WoW... amirite? Forget reason and logic, just ignore anything good about WoW, cos it's easier that way.... sigh.
I know that OK21 has blocked me for trolling (read: a euphamism for revealing his arguments to be false), but I do like to clear misinformation up.
Further reading.
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
I said baldurs gate 2 and Neverwinter Nights 2 were PUBLISHED/Developed by Bioware I never said they developed both of them, I stopped reading after that by the way.
Quoting people doesn't make you clever, in fact, it makes you all the more stupid for not bothering to read the quotes you post in the first place.
Well, you wrote:
So this is kind of a grey area. You basically picked up on the only point (which happens to be the least relevant) that you could argue against, and of course you ignored the rest of the post, because it demonstrates why NWN2's class system isnt the mind blowing WoW-owning super-duper awesome thing you make it out to be, when they are in fact, almost identical.
This also means you never blocked me!
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
OMG, that made my day...and I was having a bad one, so a BIG THANK YOU!!!! LOL I loved it.
People keep saying that World of Borecraft has 9 million people... in fact, Blizzard counts every sub they have, mainly the FREE Asian ones given to cafes throughout Asian.
Also since World of Asiacraft is FREE over there, of COUSE Blizzard is going to say "HEY LOOK!, WE HAVE 9 MILLION! RAWR!!!" In fact, if you broke it down, they probably don't even have 10% of that which other compaines are figureing out.
I guess you can say Runescape's an amazing game because it has something like 5 million people... so it MUST BE GOOD since there's so many mindless lemining playing it...
MUST BE!
I see what you did there!!!1!
SURELY NOT!
OMG it's free over there now?1!1
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
Now back into the hole with you.. WHO LET HIM OUT!?
Of course they pay but many of the asian cafes are paying 50 cents a month for WoW accounts..and thats a great price for them to farm the WoW community ..wouldnt surprise me at all if they pay Blizzard kick back .
Play wow more
it makes these conversations more interesting
To play Wow in china costs 4cent a hour, not sure what all this "net cafe pays" stuff, an individual has to pay a few $ to buy a new account and pay 4cent and hour to play it.
Plus Blizzard get zero money from china subs directly, the9 pays blizzard a fee to operate WoW in china. Blizzard are 100% hands off in china.
In that case if Blizzard gets 0 dollars from asian accounts and they are 100% hands off they shoudnt include them in there sub count
I think it is funny that you think blizzard loves rogues so much. Vanish has been screwed up for so long and when the night elf druids have a little problem they Hot Fix it and still let their so called favorite class stay broken. This is what I think. I bet you sucked at the game first of all and second you just were a annoying anti-social person and that is the reason why you never could raid or have friends. I bet your one of those people who expect someone to whisper you saying hey you want to come raid tonight with us? Oh well, every mmo has to have people bitch about something. I just believe the reasons you posted for leaving are bogus.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
Noone has posted anything other than speculation as to how much money The9 pay Blizzard. They license the game to The9, how much they get is a moot point. It's a different economy. I could get into a serious epic post about how China's economy is vastly different to ours, but this is in response to a 1 liner post, in a thread most people have got bored of by now, so I'll just stick to the basics.
If people in Asia are actively playing World of Warcraft, paying for the game like they would any other game over there, why shouldn't this count? Just because they have a different economy, earn far less, and have an entirely different culture, they are still paying to play this game.
Blizzard make the game, they provide the content, so for being hands off, we're talking about distribution, and distributing games in China is better handled by the Chinese, lets be honest here. CCP licences their game out to Optic Communications. EQ2 was licensed to Gamania. Everyone plays by the same rules, and you can bet if any of these western companies had the success of WoW, they would be shooting from the rooftops about it, because that's what marketing people do.
Even before the Internet, corporations were multinational. So why, in our enlighted age of the Internet, do Asian subs not count?
Ahhhh... because, it's World of Warcraft, and you just want to play down the success of the game. I understand that many of us are used to participating in fantasy worlds, but in the real world, World of Warcraft has 9 million active paying accounts, and for all the ways you can pour scorn on the game, debating these numbers isn't one of them.
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
I agree with you. Over all I love how Blizzard did WoW but I find it harder and harder to play becuase I'm a casual player.