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Age of Conan - Siege Warfare Video - Large PVP Combat
DeaconX
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http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/111924.html?playlist=featured
Don't know if this has been posted but in case it hasn't, ENJOY!
The vid quality is not great but I know people were all complaining about never seeing some PVP with many players in combat... so here you go.
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hehe yea I posted it a couple of times. I thought i'd upload to Gametrailers too from the French Site as some people were having problems watching it or downloading it from there.
This vid does not show many players in combat.. it shows many bots in combat. Bots = npcs.
Big difference.
This is the same old stuff they released in leipzig, only more heavily filtered/edited to be advertising vrs. a real example of siege warfare.
also, I thought that there where quite a few people on screen at the same. But thats just semantics and opinions.
but back to my question, how do you know it was bots? im curious.
I find it kinda funny, I find it kinda sad, The dreams in which I'm dieing are the best I've ever had.
The way they moved (straight precise coordinate to coordinate lines), the way they fight, the way each of them is standing the exact same distance in both x and y directions apart from eachother (which is a good sign that they were spawned in formation with a script). If you watch when they create the bots in the leipzig or other pve city sieges (the really old footage), they are created in precisely the same way. Using exact coordinates to create a perfect formation. Have you ever seen a group of live people manually position themselves in a game to be in perfect formation? It may be roughly lined up but it is never 'perfect'. Even 10 people it wouldn't be perfect. You think they can do it with dozens as was shown by this video?
Nearly 1500 views in less than a day and still 9.2 voted for score
Actually Siresper, its a clip to show people how it would be. As for formations again you are wrong, because the Conqueror class - the guys with the tabards at the front have an automatic formation placing ability in their party (did you know that? or just forgot to mention?). The public played the seige at the French Festival I believe, against the NPC army, with multiple players and lag too. Also again, I don't know your professional experience in programming but the dev's have said before that the NPC in the Leipzig demo were scripted to behave just a normal player, but we already talked about this before. Regardless its an awesome clip, along with the information given in the update is making my weekend
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But we both know its a waiting game until a full on seige experience is experienced or shown soon, so its quite pointless trying to disseminate this clip for your own enjoyment. At the end of the day this looking like the best seiging experience out of any mmo games out there, imo, period..
PvP in a system that promotes player skill, with an innovative user interface, different servers with different rulesets and playable in DX9 or DX10. AoC is effectively optimized for dual-core and the quad-core optimization is in progress, ability to have mounts, steath class, and the ability to be able to fight any race is just enough to make me foam at the mouth!
looked pretty sweet. unfortunetly the trebuchets are still ugly but they got better from that german convention. Looks like its getting better.
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Yep your right, but the Conqueror description is what im getting at, with the Commander prestige there is free movement and you aren't tied, its just in the clip the the Conq's are at the front as within their class description. They are still working on the basics of being in said area for Conq buffs and what not. I gather they are leaders and supposed to be up front hence placement in the clip. The abilities from formation comes from correct placing in order to be done right - no loose gaps, thats just what Im getting at. Nothing has changed from what you said last. The prestige class is commander its just that when I said Conq it would make sense for them to be one with their buff effects too. So if I was to set out a formation it would be shown as seen personally, Conqueror upfront with their abilites but the commander prestige could be any with them increasing party size.
You edited your post like 5 times Avery and every time you either added more advertisements or little insults
But I like that about you. Onto the response!
Its not up to me who votes on the clip... vote on it whether you want to or not, thats not the issue, I was just in amazement at the amount of people who had seen it during the short time it was put up... I just said it how it shows.
At no point I didn't say it was scripted, I said it was done to give people a feel for what it might be like when they play. This is a discussion board but its obvious you still have a problem with it being a scripted video?
Actually mate:
"PvP in a system that promotes player skill, with an innovative user interface, different servers with different rulesets and playable in DX9 or DX10. AoC is effectively optimized for dual-core and the quad-core optimization is in progress, ability to have mounts, steath class, and the ability to be able to fight any race is just enough to make me foam at the mouth!"
This is true... based on whats been shown and based upon people and friends who have played the game that I know. Based upon other people views of playing the game, based upon French players blogs and not to mention dev quotes. - Not an advert. Im sorry you cant handle this, if its too much for you take a deep breath!
Want to see an advert watch a Paul Barnett video - "my game is great". Since when is enthusiam a crime? It seems your only purpose in life is to contain this enthusiam, how sad!
You seem to think I have a problem with it being a developer scripted video, your wrong if thats the case. It also seems your the only one with a problem because it was done like this. Yeah it would be nice to see it all for real, but Im content that, that will happen before launch. As I said, it was done to show people and give them a feel for what it potentially might like for them, and as others have said you can see the difference from leipzig showing already.
What are exactly your problems with the video clip? that its scripted? cool you took half a page to say that.
Its not up to me who votes on the clip... vote on it whether you want to or not, thats not the issue, I was just in amazement at the amount of people who had seen it during the short time it was put up... I just said it how it shows.
At no point I didn't say it was scripted, I said it was done to give people a feel for what it might be like when they play. This is a discussion board but its obvious you still have a problem with it being a scripted video?
Actually mate:
"PvP in a system that promotes player skill, with an innovative user interface, different servers with different rulesets and playable in DX9 or DX10. AoC is effectively optimized for dual-core and the quad-core optimization is in progress, ability to have mounts, steath class, and the ability to be able to fight any race is just enough to make me foam at the mouth!"
This is true... based on whats been shown and based upon people and friends who have played the game that I know. Based upon other people views of playing the game, based upon French players blogs and not to mention dev quotes. - Not an advert. Im sorry you cant handle this, if its too much for you take a deep breath!
Want to see an advert watch a Paul Barnett video - "my game is great". Since when is enthusiam a crime? It seems your only purpose in life is to contain this enthusiam, how sad!
You seem to think I have a problem with it being a developer scripted video, your wrong if thats the case. It also seems your the only one with a problem because it was done like this. Yeah it would be nice to see it all for real, but Im content that, that will happen before launch. As I said, it was done to show people and give them a feel for what it potentially might like for them, and as others have said you can see the difference from leipzig showing already.
What are exactly your problems with the video clip? that its scripted? cool you took half a page to say that.
He hates aoc... no matter what, just he know that in his past life he hates conan... and still hating him... but, siresper, you are in time, time for
love 
time for you to use your good "mental powers" searching bots in videos for the good of humanity! 
instead on calling this (for me) awesome warfare... a... dunno... ugly meaningless crap? aye make 
love
not flame! 
AA, you have skills and talent and you have my respect. That doesn't make the PvP game in this game any better. Formation is not a feature, it is (almost) a proof that the devs don't have the skills to pull off anything over 20v20 outside an instance. This video was worrysome in that it was obviously staged. That is fine but I was really hoping for some good Pvp actions. Remember that this game was to be released in november and the issues I see in this video has NOTHING to do about bad/difficult controls.
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Just a few things Xris.
This was an advertisement video. Not a gameplay video. Anyone should be able to realize that.
PvP videos will be released when the game is in Open beta or after release. I wouldn't expect anything but convention videos or advertisements until then. Also the developers are shooting for something around 200 characters on screen at once I believe.
The game is not coming out in November, it is coming out in March '08.
The controls are actually very easy to use. No more difficult then clicking 1-6 to execute skills in any other MMO. And yes, I have played the game.
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
Oh readers of the AoC forum section of mmorpg.com, (and anyone passing by!) please tell me you see the the guy replying in "Red Writing" (Siresper), as someone with many issues with this game. Is he on a crusade? who knows? whats his issues? whats his purpose? Who is this deity who reigns supreme over all, his words stand in testiment of the awesomeness that is "Cowpat". Who is this person so presumptuous to bathe in his own words of negativity about AoC's game mechanics - without having any first hand experience or conclusive evidence to back up outlandish claims?
As Moses parted the Red Sea, good ole "Siresper" must dig at some unbeliveable conspiracy, that faliure is written all over this game. His words are clear, his intentions are evident, his purpose is as clear as good old Conan wanting to steal some valuable jewels.
A video clip of a scripted seige fight goes out made by Funcom to show how potenially a seige might look, and be - to the potentially paying public. A clip designed to show how they envision the setup, (mounts, formation, and classes and prestige classes) in a layout on the field of battle to show everyone what they have in mind. Nothing is admiss here, there is not secret, there is no defiance or deviance...
A video clip all of 1 minute 17 seconds long to show what could happen, to enthrall the viewer, to capture their imagination, to give them ideas on the field of battle, all upon release.. Who has a problem with this? Do you ever get interested about a movie clip/ advert on T.V.? Do you ever think " that might be worth a look"?
Who has a problem - guess who folks! Our friendly resident mmorpg.com hero! Siresper! > "Good thing I was around to point out that hidden truth" /claps! Woot! Siresper is here folks! "Enthusiasm is a crime when it crosses into the realm of misinformation" Now be very careful readers - do you really believe when watching the clip (Linked above) you were excited so much to believe it might be a good game? Carefull! Because we are all adult enough (i would like to think) you didnt really believe you were misguided in your afterthoughts on watching the video did you readers? (all be it insy winsy ever so slightly positive? (most posters in general where shown)
"Why do you object to people looking for the truth?" > I personally don't object to what you want to dig for... I didn't realise there was some hidden truth to this? Am I missing some X-File here "Mulder"? What was shown was, is and "Still" is, blantantly clear to the viewer - A video clip of a developer, doing scripted seige event to show the public - the potential buyer - the interested partys. They want to show you "watchers" what it might be like, yes every character you see isn't a real life person! But do you expect them wholeheartdly to show you this now.. prior to end of March '08 release? Do move makers come out with adverts 6 months before a film (envisioning/encompassing everything that is included)?
"Calling all viewers! This is Funcom speaking, may we have your attention please!" -
"We would like to show you how we envision a seige battle - we have taken inspiration from several well known movies - with infamous battles (we have explained this in other media released today) - we are confident that these movies have been seen by a large proportion of the public, so you guys understand where we are coming from in our design and approach. We deem the public.. - people who can make their own assumptions and minds from the clip in question"
"This is our result, in a Beta build... We are 6 months from release still, but we would like to put out there what we are aiming for"
"People could have gotten the wrong impressions!
Lets see what more hidden details I can dig up." By CROM!!! By MITRA and BY Fricken SET!!! (Hyborian Gods in AoC) Could Siresper possibly be..... "The One" > Shit > wrong film - and game.... > Matirx Online >>> that way>>>
Mate... seriously, AoC doesn't need a "Saviour". Im pretty sure people can make their own mind up to whats put infront of them. "But... but people could have gotten the wrong impressions! " Holy Moly Batman! do you realise how "Desperate" you come across?
"Hands over ears" > "Lets see what more hidden details I can dig up" give it a rest already! It isn't the DaVinci Code! You aren't a Saviour, you aren't sworn to protect the small percentage of reader who can't make their mind up! Just Let It Be! The game isn't even out yet! and your acting all bias, but trying to come across as mature and respectfull.... Was it B.A Baracus who said "i pity the fool!?
"Ever see a commercial for McDonalds or some other fast food restaurant? Ever notice how they show really tasty good looking food? But when you actually go there, that not what it actually looks like?" > Ok hands up readers! If you have been to Mcdonalds before - you know what to expect right! You know your meal isn't gonna look like the picture you looked at when ordered right!? Your still gonna eat it right? You expect something simliar? Fact is 99% of you guys/girls have played mmorpg's before, you know what the deal is - this isn't fricken "happy hour" Ronald Mcdonald isn't gonna perform a "combo" on you, he isn"t gonna cut your head off, and he certainley gonna give you a "sex buff".
Hands up those who think the clip will be exactly as seen?...... me first! > my answer! >"not me, but I got a good impression for what they are aiming for!" >> Dam! I am not allowed to be enthusiastic on a disscussion board because it might be deemed as persuasive to all you lot who can't have their own opinion, who can'tmake their own mind up and anyways, "Saviour Siresper" will be on your case!
Guys/Girls, I now know your reading just for humor purposes now - so I have to try and finish. >> "A scripted siege is like that. It gets people psyched up, makes them want to eat it, makes them crave it. So they go and shell out their cash and boom - they suddenly realize that they aren't really getting what was advertised." Do you dare to be excited!? Do you dare to enthuse? Do you dare to believe mmorpg.com readers - there are... what 178 more days to go! Dare you believe you are being "conned" or would you prefer "Siresper's" argument that you folks don't really know how to spend your money? All because you got a little hyped up or made a partial interest in the game after this video clip (for the reasons stated above)? All because your adult enough to believe that some things can be done right? Or the simple fact that you don't need to be told, that what you saw was good, or bad! Its as simple as that. The game is rated as Mature, the average age of a gamer (in N.America) is 33. Siresper is entitled to his opinon, and his belief - the way he comes across (imo) as someone with an hidden agenda, someone with distaste at every turn. Obvious the game can't be perfect all the time, but no one likes a naysayer.
"Is the bun toasted to perfection? How many bad 'takes' do you think the ad makers did before they got the food to look good?" Does anything come perfect in this world??? Flawed argument buddy. (seriously think about it)
"This is why its always important for people to know what is advertising, and what is real" Are you really telling me the public can't make their own mind up? Are your telling me you just got changed in a phone box and became "Siresper the enforcer" >>>> City of Heroes game is that way>>>> You have been weighed, you have been measured, and you have been found wanting - Big Time.
"What do you have to lose from people knowing how the system truly behaves outside of the touched up ads?" "Saviour Sireser" would have you believe this is an X-file folks. He has all his F.B.I. credentials to back everything up, oh dear....
"Its always great to live in a dream. But sooner or later, everyone has to wake up" > Really I hope your alarm clock has gone off! Because by now, if you still think there is something to hide, you must be forgetting your prescription.
The alarm has gone off, wake up, eat your cornflakes and breathe the fresh air that is originality, Funcom, is trying to present this to people but "Saviour Siresper" wants us all to remember this is a bad thing folks! Don't believe the hype, this game has gained some attention in some communities (dam that is bad! - we are doomed!)
Basically what I want to say is judge for yourself, look at the footage (its dev set up btw), can you envisage yourself (if interested in the game) fighting there? Can you see how it would be like with your friends? Can you see how you would like to see this done with real human players (or hear respectable reviews) before comitting to buying? Point to remember is - You dont even have to do Seiges in this game to play it, its just another area catered for, with alot of thought,depth and developement gone into it. You be the judge, You are your own self afterall..
Hi Xris375, how can a staged event be worrysome 6 months before release? I too was hoping sooner rather that later - some real persons to participate in a seige and it be shown to the public in an official capacity would be nice, (but not a requirement right now in the stage of development). But there is plenty of time, I seriously don't think this clip is set up to promote that. I certainley haven't persued this opinion nor do I see it like this. Its a taster of what they hope it to be like. I hope it turns out similar but in a fully fledged human controlling way (as they planned/ designed) I dont quite understand "Formation is not a feature, it is (almost) a proof that the devs don't have the skills to pull off anything over 20v20 outside an instance" could you possibly explain that statement a bit better? To me formation combat is dervied from a particular Prestige Class, and I kinda find it weird you say that the devs havent got the "skills" to put a 20v20 outside an instance - as some working on AoC and the Company as a whole have done this in AO before. But please in your professional opinion (or just your own as a poster) please, please state what skills are neccessary to complete this objective, maybe they might listen!!! Honestly how is what you said then not a dig without backup?
Edit* Just for Spelling - my love for alcohol is the cause.
Yikes, pages and pages of meaningless drivel and all you had to say was 'siresper is a doodyhead!!11' to get your one and only point across.
If this is the kind of stuff you post when you are drinking... it might be a good idea to lay off the bottle, eh? I liked you better when you are just advertising for funcom. Put that loin cloth outfit they gave you back on and get out there to drum up some hype!
I think the original problem is with the thread title and the first comment by the OP. The video does not show a "Large PVP Combat" but either a purely scripted sequence or, maybe, a fight between players and npcs (aka PvE), by the look I tend to think it is the former.
And here the whole thread just went down the flame spiral. This has nothing to do with Funcom, they didn't post that video here and I don't know with what explanation they made that clip available for the public, it's not the issue here. It's simply a misleading thread title with a misleading first comment and then all hell breaks loose. The thread derailed completely from discussing the video to flaming each other. And so far Avery's long post is the pinnacle. Next thing we insult each other's mother. It's just sad.
This game looks sooo bland, the graphics are ugly and the character models are nearly as worse as Vanguard sooo plastic and doll like with poor animations. I don't think this game will do well.
Let me guess, you're a WAR fanboy, right?
So you want more glow? Sheesh, this has "realistic" graphics. High polygon and texture detail. Good lighting detail, but with no overuse of glow. Good animations while retaining good user control (it's real time combat, not some PnC with auto attack). This is obviously a MMO, and it's shows on the graphics, as they are no where near what we experience in 3rd person shooters, but they are infact far better than most other mmos on the market, especially when considering the far more advanced game mechanics.
And when will people start to accept that artistic != glow.
Let me guess, you're a WAR fanboy, right?
Nuff Said.
Let me guess, you're a WAR fanboy, right?
Now this is interesting. How did you come to that conclusion? A look at his recent post history shows that... he's far from it. He doesn't even seem to like WAR at all. I am most definitely closer to being a WAR fanboy, than he is.
His post is stupid in that he claims things without explanation but your reaction shows what many in the AoC community seem to believe: "Anyone who doesn't like AoC must be a War fanboy." Face it, there is more than two types of people out there.
I consider myself a fan of WAR and I have a strong interest in AoC, does this make me an outcast in both communites now?
I think the game looks allot better then 90% of the games out their. Now go back to the WARboards.
Let me guess, you're a WAR fanboy, right?
Now this is interesting. How did you come to that conclusion? A look at his recent post history shows that... he's far from it. He doesn't even seem to like WAR at all. I am most definitely closer to being a WAR fanboy, than he is.
His post is stupid in that he claims things without explanation but your reaction shows what many in the AoC community seem to believe: "Anyone who doesn't like AoC must be a War fanboy." Face it, there is more than two types of people out there.
I consider myself a fan of WAR and I have a strong interest in AoC, does this make me an outcast in both communites now?
Just watch the video and you'll see what i mean....
Let me guess, you're a WAR fanboy, right?
Now this is interesting. How did you come to that conclusion? A look at his recent post history shows that... he's far from it. He doesn't even seem to like WAR at all. I am most definitely closer to being a WAR fanboy, than he is.
His post is stupid in that he claims things without explanation but your reaction shows what many in the AoC community seem to believe: "Anyone who doesn't like AoC must be a War fanboy." Face it, there is more than two types of people out there.
I consider myself a fan of WAR and I have a strong interest in AoC, does this make me an outcast in both communites now?
Just watch the video and you'll see what i mean....
Does graphics make a game? Have you seen the attention to detail in the surroundings? What if this game turns out really "Fun" to play, will it still not do well because some animations aren't to your liking? Seen the female models yet?
You see there are plenty more questions to take into consideration before the majority of people will form an opinion. You have "jaded" gamer wrote all over you.