Beta'd both of these, neither delivers enough for the charge.
TR would be the better game with a $10/month fee, as it is an MMO-lite. Endgame is an afterthought. High end content, still buggy and broken and unpolished less than two weeks from release. For some reason the AFS uses tons of Dell XPS computers. There are rooms where it is hard to target the NPCs you need to because of all the Dells in the way.
Hellgate makes you pay $10 to get content that should be in the game out of the box. AND installs adware on your computer. It is way too short (an MMO with replaying at harder difficulty as endgame?). Skip them both. Neither is worth the money.
The Hellgate demo was far more enjoyable
The problem is that is never really changes after that. Same rooms, same monsters, same loot. Apparently all of London looks just alike- sewers and maintenance halls and identical city blocks and riverbeds.
Neither. Beta'd both of these, neither delivers enough for the charge. TR would be the better game with a $10/month fee, as it is an MMO-lite. Endgame is an afterthought. High end content, still buggy and broken and unpolished less than two weeks from release. For some reason the AFS uses tons of Dell XPS computers. There are rooms where it is hard to target the NPCs you need to because of all the Dells in the way. Hellgate makes you pay $10 to get content that should be in the game out of the box. AND installs adware on your computer. It is way too short (an MMO with replaying at harder difficulty as endgame?).
Skip them both. Neither is worth the money.
The Hellgate demo was far more enjoyable
The problem is that is never really changes after that. Same rooms, same monsters, same loot. Apparently all of London looks just alike- sewers and maintenance halls and identical city blocks and riverbeds.
It does change. the rooms aren't the same. At times you have to fight in the dark. Another area you have to control a command squadran.
Neither. Beta'd both of these, neither delivers enough for the charge. TR would be the better game with a $10/month fee, as it is an MMO-lite. Endgame is an afterthought. High end content, still buggy and broken and unpolished less than two weeks from release. For some reason the AFS uses tons of Dell XPS computers. There are rooms where it is hard to target the NPCs you need to because of all the Dells in the way. Hellgate makes you pay $10 to get content that should be in the game out of the box. AND installs adware on your computer. It is way too short (an MMO with replaying at harder difficulty as endgame?).
Skip them both. Neither is worth the money.
The Hellgate demo was far more enjoyable
The problem is that is never really changes after that. Same rooms, same monsters, same loot. Apparently all of London looks just alike- sewers and maintenance halls and identical city blocks and riverbeds.
It does change. the rooms aren't the same. At times you have to fight in the dark. Another area you have to control a command squadran.
no, it really doesnt change. There is one mini game where you tell a squad of templars where to go, and another one with out lights. But its still the same thing.
I beta tested both. I wasnt impressed by either, but the fact is, HGL is the most repetative game i have played in awhile.
In HGL you do not play the game... you PAY the game. Its a money sink. Who knows where Roper will take the game, but as of right now, he has so many conflicting statements, that it appears he doesnt even know his own game.
When called on his statement "you will never see the same thing twice", they tried evade the fact that the tile set randomness they are using is not random at all. In fact, each tile set has the same objects and placements in every level. The only random part is in which order you will see them, only even then its not that random.
You have to understand, right now, hellgate london is a game that is mostly hype and image saturation, the very thing that attracts the dumb consumer. Some people believe the illusion, others see the machine that makes the illusion.
Tabula Rasa, though different, is more of an online experience than Hellgate London. Actually, its a lot of a online experience compared to HGL. It actually is consistant with its atmosphere, using strong and cinematic art direction to pull the player in.
HGL, does not. The devs said they do not want it to be an epic game. They want it to be more of a joke game. The problem is, they artistically made it Epic and dark. Yet all the content, dialog, quest.. are all jokes. Pointless and stupid. Its like mixing oil and water. They dont mix.
Flagship studios was attempting to throw out all smart design and design theory out the window in an attempt to create a casual high concept project. They failed. You cannot create a solid game without solid structure and support. They build their game on quicksand, and it doesnt feel right.
They are directly competing. Both release virtually the same time Both are near-future scifi Both are 'shooter' style with some melee Both promise fast and intense action in an MMOG package Both are light-weight MMOGs focusing on combat.
and poor TR is gonna get STOMPED. :P Sorry Richard Garriott, try next time putting a teaspoon worth of depth into your game.
But Tabula Rasa offers limited value to all it players for pre-order customers- including us in europe. TR does not onstall spyware on your machine which EA games now do and it is an MMO in as much as it has a persistent glabal environment with clearly defined roles thst complement each other rather than bases with everything else randomly generated instances. Oh and depth? Erm aren't there multiple quest chains, holdable bases and (pretty lightweight) crafting roles in TR? I had both on pre-order so I could make my own choice rather than relying on the opnions of others but thanks to EA's treatment of Europeans as second class citizens i came to the forums. I now only have the one. Trying to persuade myself i was being harsh I read further and found out about the spyware (they do not include this anywhere on the HGL site) and will now be avoiding all EA games until it is confirmed this policy is reversed.
Flagship has legendary developers, that created my favorite games of all-time. I've got faith in their ability to create yet another amazing game.
Richard Garriot? What is this Tabula Rasa?
Hellgate at least more or less sticks to what it promises, not like TR's presumptuous little arse trying to make it look like it's something special - which really isn't.
HGL does need to work a lot on the NPC text and stuff tho, atm it's truly unbelievably horrible.
Well I beta tested both and even as shallow as some make it out to be HGL is far superior when it comes to the fun factor than TR. Not sure what Richard was smoking, but instead of spending his money on a flight to the space station he should have injected some of it back into TR.
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+1 Hellgate
This was my experience as well. I found TR bland and boring. The Hellgate demo was far more enjoyable.
Neither.
Beta'd both of these, neither delivers enough for the charge.
TR would be the better game with a $10/month fee, as it is an MMO-lite. Endgame is an afterthought. High end content, still buggy and broken and unpolished less than two weeks from release. For some reason the AFS uses tons of Dell XPS computers. There are rooms where it is hard to target the NPCs you need to because of all the Dells in the way.
Hellgate makes you pay $10 to get content that should be in the game out of the box. AND installs adware on your computer. It is way too short (an MMO with replaying at harder difficulty as endgame?).
Skip them both. Neither is worth the money.
The problem is that is never really changes after that. Same rooms, same monsters, same loot. Apparently all of London looks just alike- sewers and maintenance halls and identical city blocks and riverbeds.
The problem is that is never really changes after that. Same rooms, same monsters, same loot. Apparently all of London looks just alike- sewers and maintenance halls and identical city blocks and riverbeds.
It does change. the rooms aren't the same. At times you have to fight in the dark. Another area you have to control a command squadran.
The problem is that is never really changes after that. Same rooms, same monsters, same loot. Apparently all of London looks just alike- sewers and maintenance halls and identical city blocks and riverbeds.
It does change. the rooms aren't the same. At times you have to fight in the dark. Another area you have to control a command squadran.
no, it really doesnt change. There is one mini game where you tell a squad of templars where to go, and another one with out lights. But its still the same thing.
I beta tested both. I wasnt impressed by either, but the fact is, HGL is the most repetative game i have played in awhile.
In HGL you do not play the game... you PAY the game. Its a money sink. Who knows where Roper will take the game, but as of right now, he has so many conflicting statements, that it appears he doesnt even know his own game.
When called on his statement "you will never see the same thing twice", they tried evade the fact that the tile set randomness they are using is not random at all. In fact, each tile set has the same objects and placements in every level. The only random part is in which order you will see them, only even then its not that random.
You have to understand, right now, hellgate london is a game that is mostly hype and image saturation, the very thing that attracts the dumb consumer. Some people believe the illusion, others see the machine that makes the illusion.
Tabula Rasa, though different, is more of an online experience than Hellgate London. Actually, its a lot of a online experience compared to HGL. It actually is consistant with its atmosphere, using strong and cinematic art direction to pull the player in.
HGL, does not. The devs said they do not want it to be an epic game. They want it to be more of a joke game. The problem is, they artistically made it Epic and dark. Yet all the content, dialog, quest.. are all jokes. Pointless and stupid. Its like mixing oil and water. They dont mix.
Flagship studios was attempting to throw out all smart design and design theory out the window in an attempt to create a casual high concept project. They failed. You cannot create a solid game without solid structure and support. They build their game on quicksand, and it doesnt feel right.
But Tabula Rasa offers limited value to all it players for pre-order customers- including us in europe. TR does not onstall spyware on your machine which EA games now do and it is an MMO in as much as it has a persistent glabal environment with clearly defined roles thst complement each other rather than bases with everything else randomly generated instances. Oh and depth? Erm aren't there multiple quest chains, holdable bases and (pretty lightweight) crafting roles in TR? I had both on pre-order so I could make my own choice rather than relying on the opnions of others but thanks to EA's treatment of Europeans as second class citizens i came to the forums. I now only have the one. Trying to persuade myself i was being harsh I read further and found out about the spyware (they do not include this anywhere on the HGL site) and will now be avoiding all EA games until it is confirmed this policy is reversed.
+2 Hellgate
Flagship has legendary developers, that created my favorite games of all-time. I've got faith in their ability to create yet another amazing game.
Richard Garriot?
What is this Tabula Rasa? 
No doubt about it, Hellgate is superior in EVERY aspect.
More importantly, it is by far the "funner" of the two.
+2 Hellgate
Flagship has legendary developers, that created my favorite games of all-time. I've got faith in their ability to create yet another amazing game.
Richard Garriot?
What is this Tabula Rasa? 
Hellgate at least more or less sticks to what it promises, not like TR's presumptuous little arse trying to make it look like it's something special - which really isn't.
HGL does need to work a lot on the NPC text and stuff tho, atm it's truly unbelievably horrible.
Well I beta tested both and even as shallow as some make it out to be HGL is far superior when it comes to the fun factor than TR. Not sure what Richard was smoking, but instead of spending his money on a flight to the space station he should have injected some of it back into TR.
TR will be the next big MMO to flop.
All I can say is what were you thinking Richard?