Except they have already stated that higher tier characters when they enter lower tier zones will be turned into a chicken when they try to PvP. Also, as stated before...SOME PvE quests will take you into PvP area's to complete. This means that unless you completely skip some of the PvE quests you will be forced into PvP. I don't see what the complaining is about. You won't be considered a "carebear" if you don't flag. Of course 2 enemies versus 1 will win. And if you enter an area where you are flagged and don't see two enemies before you are right on top of them you deserve to die plain and simple. Your attitude is what defines a carebear. And about 2 boxing alts, your stupid. If you actually feel like paying for two accounts and then paying per month for two accounts then you have a serious internet ego problem, and that is just another varation of a carebear..someone who has to circumvent the system in order to succeed. Operator: Whine, one, one emergency operator speaking what seems to be your problem? Carebear: *Sniff* I'm whining about a game that...*sniff* I didn't read up on......and n..n...now I'm scared that I may be beaten up. I'm thinking about 2 boxing so that way I can kill others in my zone....*sniff* Operator: Sir, you can only attack people in your relevant Tier Zone or higher. If you go into a lower zone you will become a chicken. This will probably reflect your true persona better anyways but needless to say you shouldn't do that. Grow a pair, and wait for the game to come out before you get any assumptions about this game. An emergency WHAMBULANCE has been dispatched to your location for self-esteem issues. Please don't do anything rash.
Just to clarify,
I don't always agree with Sykorrke, but I think most of us will agree that I am very well read on the Warhammer universe in general and Warhammer online in specific
We all have our opinions, I have played multiple games where you can flag PVP or choose to PVP or not. And in all of those games those who choose not to go pvp all the time on PVP servers (and RVR and PVP are esentially the same thing in this game) are looked down upon as cowards.
Hell I have a at least 40 people on my Ignore list because they heckled me repeatedly in WOW to duel them, and I don't duel.
And lets not even talk about how much fun trying to PVE is when the entire zone is PVPing and they have wiped all the NPCs out... Tauren Mills/Southshore ring any bells
I made no assumptions about the game. I stated I would prefer NOT to have the ability to flag in PVE zones, just because I don't want to constantly be harrased to pvp by 12 year olds who want to gank a greenskin. If that makes me a care bare then my name will be: LeaveMeTheFarkAlone Bear.
12 Year old Idiots: Dude flag pve. There is this Order raid and we want to go get them.
Me: Sorry I don't want to , just want to pve today.
12 year old Idiots: Dude don't be a carebare and join us.
Me: Nope *After multiple tells the idiots are (all 20 of them) put on ignore*
Me: Sweet silence at last!
Suddenly on Zone Chat:12 Year old Idiot: Yeah the carebear would not help us so we lost
Me: /Ignore world
Me: Time to go turn in quest got ten minutes before I log off.
Me: BASTERD!! EVERY NPC IN THE ZONE IS DEAD!*Mutters to self and logs*
Well, I see what your saying but in regards it's silly.
Just ignore them like you said, plus you shouldn't care what the 12 year old idiots think of you, I don't.
Plus, if a raid group is relying on ONE person (yourself) that much it means 1 of 2 things.
1) Your a really good PvPer and without you they would be steamrolled. If this is this case, why pvp with noobs who just tag onto you to get more renown? Group with people that are equally skilled.
2) The group sucks/has self esteem issues and feels the only way they can get a proper raid group is with superior numbers (i.e. Two times the amount of people the enemy raid has) again, the group sucks and you shouldn't party anyways.
Trust me there will be plenty of people who will have the same mindset as you and me. I know sometimes you don't want to PvP ...I guess that's why the decided to let people flag in the PvE zones.
I will say I was under the impression that certain enemies couldn't leave the RvR zones but I guess that would negate all the hard work the developers have put into making the scenery so they decided to allow them access but enable PvP flagging in PvE areas. Makes sense to me!
~~Internet gaming is not for the faint of heart or the dumb of mind.~~
Originally posted by jor8888 Just imagine urself(Des) walking into pve area with pvp flag on and u saw 2(order) u cant attack b/c they got pve flag on. Bamm 10 sec later u got ganked behind from those 2 b/c they decided to turn pvp flag on since they know they have 2 vs 1.
The fault of this is the person who went PVP in a area where everyone doesn't have to be PVP. Not with the folks that happen to be PVEing and see some less than intelligent person, SOLO, flagged up.
I think what jor8888 is trying to say is: Without PVP free areas all who don't want to PVP might as well have a chicken symbol on top of their heads, as they will be considered Carebears...
You can call them carebears, I doubt it will matter. They will still be able to play the game AS THEY LIKE as can the other folks who want to /pvp on in those areas.
I'm just trying to get to the fact that I would rather not have to deal with the idiots at all, putting people on ignore is a waset of my time and if the ignore book fills up.. then I'm out of luck.
Im just saying the game is based around PVP, leave the PVE areas alone, I am sure many of us have had quest in the Southshore/Tauren mills area of WoW and found that we could not finish our quest for hours at a time becuase the NPCs were dead or unable to speak to us due to being aggroed and constantly in a fight.
I don't want my PVE ruined because people don't want to RVR in the RVR areas that makes no sense...
I'm just trying to get to the fact that I would rather not have to deal with the idiots at all, putting people on ignore is a waset of my time and if the ignore book fills up.. then I'm out of luck.
Im just saying the game is based around PVP, leave the PVE areas alone, I am sure many of us have had quest in the Southshore/Tauren mills area of WoW and found that we could not finish our quest for hours at a time becuase the NPCs were dead or unable to speak to us due to being aggroed and constantly in a fight.
I don't want my PVE ruined because people don't want to RVR in the RVR areas that makes no sense... Why inconvieniance a whole zone of people?
I feel you on this. I think they should keep it at the designated RVR areas as a lot of people I think won't feel like getting ganked because they were not paying attention (due to them fighting other PvE red NPCs).
If they do go a head with it they should just make it a all out free for all where anyone can attack anyone in the game (then waste time and resources balancing it out later).
I'm just trying to get to the fact that I would rather not have to deal with the idiots at all, putting people on ignore is a waset of my time and if the ignore book fills up.. then I'm out of luck.
Im just saying the game is based around PVP, leave the PVE areas alone, I am sure many of us have had quest in the Southshore/Tauren mills area of WoW and found that we could not finish our quest for hours at a time becuase the NPCs were dead or unable to speak to us due to being aggroed and constantly in a fight.
I don't want my PVE ruined because people don't want to RVR in the RVR areas that makes no sense... Why inconvieniance a whole zone of people?
I feel you on this. I think they should keep it at the designated RVR areas as a lot of people I think won't feel like getting ganked because they were not paying attention (due to them fighting other PvE red NPCs).
If they do go a head with it they should just make it a all out free for all where anyone can attack anyone in the game (then waste time and resources balancing it out later).
You can't get ganked in pve unless you flag yourself. If you don't flag yourself in a pve area, you can't get attacked, period. The argument is about pvp'ers bothering pve players in a pve area, not about getting unexpectedly ganked while focusing on pve mobs.
I don't think this is going to be such a huge issue as others have made it out to be, as there really isn't any reason for someone looking to pvp to be in a pve area at all. They have less targets, less action, and are more likely to be met with opposition if they come looking for help with pvp. It would be a waste of time with nothing to gain, and they would lose progress compared to pvp'ers that stuck to the pvp areas and were earning all those kill points.
I think if two opposing sides happen to be moving through the pve area and they happen to want to fight, they now have the option whereas before they didn't. But otherwise, there would be no real reason to come to a pve area to fight. And if someone wants to call someone else a carebear, and label themselves morons, than i say let them. I like to know who the morons are so I can not group with them in the future, so its nice to have that kind of indicator.
Waiting for: A skill-based MMO with Freedom and Consequence. Woe to thee, the pierce-ed.
Personally I see no reason to allow PvP play in the PvE areas. Keep them separate and distinct. If people want to PvP then they go to the PvP areas. If they are in the mood to PvE they stick to those area.
Why muddy the waters with a flag that really adds nothing to the game?
I'm just trying to get to the fact that I would rather not have to deal with the idiots at all, putting people on ignore is a waset of my time and if the ignore book fills up.. then I'm out of luck.
Im just saying the game is based around PVP, leave the PVE areas alone, I am sure many of us have had quest in the Southshore/Tauren mills area of WoW and found that we could not finish our quest for hours at a time becuase the NPCs were dead or unable to speak to us due to being aggroed and constantly in a fight.
I don't want my PVE ruined because people don't want to RVR in the RVR areas that makes no sense... Why inconvieniance a whole zone of people?
I feel you on this. I think they should keep it at the designated RVR areas as a lot of people I think won't feel like getting ganked because they were not paying attention (due to them fighting other PvE red NPCs).
If they do go a head with it they should just make it a all out free for all where anyone can attack anyone in the game (then waste time and resources balancing it out later).
You can't get ganked in pve unless you flag yourself. If you don't flag yourself in a pve area, you can't get attacked, period. The argument is about pvp'ers bothering pve players in a pve area, not about getting unexpectedly ganked while focusing on pve mobs.
I don't think this is going to be such a huge issue as others have made it out to be, as there really isn't any reason for someone looking to pvp to be in a pve area at all. They have less targets, less action, and are more likely to be met with opposition if they come looking for help with pvp. It would be a waste of time with nothing to gain, and they would lose progress compared to pvp'ers that stuck to the pvp areas and were earning all those kill points.
I think if two opposing sides happen to be moving through the pve area and they happen to want to fight, they now have the option whereas before they didn't. But otherwise, there would be no real reason to come to a pve area to fight. And if someone wants to call someone else a carebear, and label themselves morons, than i say let them. I like to know who the morons are so I can not group with them in the future, so its nice to have that kind of indicator.
I understand this but just as several people have pointed out there still lies a problem with PvE to PvP flags.
I don't know, maybe they won't be like other games where a PvE AoE won't make you instant red to a flagged "High level ,flagged lvl 40" looking for trouble but as I said "why even wasted the resources of putting in a dynamic like this".
Everyone on this forum and all the "fansites know good and well that you will have "Tommy BeatbyDad" coming out to harass non flags when mom tells them to take out the garbage on Sunday. Having PvP flagged people in a PvE area can become a almost worse nuisance as you getting ganked by a "zerg mob" while questing and minding your own business.
I'm suprised "role players" haven't jumped on this with a fury as you would think they wouldn't want to see a Witch Elf named "Fred" doing the "hoochie coochie" dance "PvP flagged" outside the gates of the High Elf area.
I think this is bad mojo and a gain, I reiterate, a waste of developers resources putting this dynamic ingame (they will run off more people who have even vaguely thought about playing this game).
I'm just trying to get to the fact that I would rather not have to deal with the idiots at all, putting people on ignore is a waset of my time and if the ignore book fills up.. then I'm out of luck.
Im just saying the game is based around PVP, leave the PVE areas alone, I am sure many of us have had quest in the Southshore/Tauren mills area of WoW and found that we could not finish our quest for hours at a time becuase the NPCs were dead or unable to speak to us due to being aggroed and constantly in a fight.
I don't want my PVE ruined because people don't want to RVR in the RVR areas that makes no sense... Why inconvieniance a whole zone of people?
I feel you on this. I think they should keep it at the designated RVR areas as a lot of people I think won't feel like getting ganked because they were not paying attention (due to them fighting other PvE red NPCs).
If they do go a head with it they should just make it a all out free for all where anyone can attack anyone in the game (then waste time and resources balancing it out later).
You can't get ganked in pve unless you flag yourself. If you don't flag yourself in a pve area, you can't get attacked, period. The argument is about pvp'ers bothering pve players in a pve area, not about getting unexpectedly ganked while focusing on pve mobs.
I don't think this is going to be such a huge issue as others have made it out to be, as there really isn't any reason for someone looking to pvp to be in a pve area at all. They have less targets, less action, and are more likely to be met with opposition if they come looking for help with pvp. It would be a waste of time with nothing to gain, and they would lose progress compared to pvp'ers that stuck to the pvp areas and were earning all those kill points.
I think if two opposing sides happen to be moving through the pve area and they happen to want to fight, they now have the option whereas before they didn't. But otherwise, there would be no real reason to come to a pve area to fight. And if someone wants to call someone else a carebear, and label themselves morons, than i say let them. I like to know who the morons are so I can not group with them in the future, so its nice to have that kind of indicator.
I understand this but just as several people have pointed out there still lies a problem with PvE to PvP flags.
I don't know, maybe they won't be like other games where a PvE AoE won't make you instant red to a flagged "High level ,flagged lvl 40" looking for trouble but as I said "why even wasted the resources of putting in a dynamic like this".
Everyone on this forum and all the "fansites know good and well that you will have "Tommy BeatbyDad" coming out to harass non flags when mom tells them to take out the garbage on Sunday. Having PvP flagged people in a PvE area can become a almost worse nuisance as you getting ganked by a "zerg mob" while questing and minding your own business.
I'm suprised "role players" haven't jumped on this with a fury as you would think they wouldn't want to see a Witch Elf named "Fred" doing the "hoochie coochie" dance "PvP flagged" outside the gates of the High Elf area.
I think this is bad mojo and a gain, I reiterate, a waste of developers resources putting this dynamic ingame (they will run off more people who have even vaguely thought about playing this game).
Actually this option opens up more possibilities and attracts more players then what you might think. The fact they are able to make PvP ANYWHERE including PvE zones means that they are following exactly what they stated....WAR is everywhere. The zones are just designated as such and you AUTO-flag when you step inside the zones...at the same time you CAN PvP in the PvE zones if you so wish....for some people fighting others WHILE questing is exciting and can be what they like doing. Just because you don't like it doesn't make your opinion more valid then others.
You gotta realize that the WAR team doesn't want WoW all over again, but they want the fact that people CAN attack cities, not just the capitals. It's part of the whole theme. And I will remind you guys, this is a PvP oriented game...I don't mind if you PvE but when you try to come and turn in a quest and find your town has enemies outside it's gates..you should be excited to see them and just jump into the fray with your fellow players and defeat their pathetic attempt to attack your town. REMEMBER, there will be no more HIGH level ganking in Tier 1-Tier 3 zones so it's not like you'll be fighting max level/max geared players, You will be fighting people of equatable gear & level as yourself.
~~Internet gaming is not for the faint of heart or the dumb of mind.~~
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Just to clarify,
I don't always agree with Sykorrke, but I think most of us will agree that I am very well read on the Warhammer universe in general and Warhammer online in specific
We all have our opinions, I have played multiple games where you can flag PVP or choose to PVP or not. And in all of those games those who choose not to go pvp all the time on PVP servers (and RVR and PVP are esentially the same thing in this game) are looked down upon as cowards.
Hell I have a at least 40 people on my Ignore list because they heckled me repeatedly in WOW to duel them, and I don't duel.
And lets not even talk about how much fun trying to PVE is when the entire zone is PVPing and they have wiped all the NPCs out... Tauren Mills/Southshore ring any bells
I made no assumptions about the game. I stated I would prefer NOT to have the ability to flag in PVE zones, just because I don't want to constantly be harrased to pvp by 12 year olds who want to gank a greenskin. If that makes me a care bare then my name will be: LeaveMeTheFarkAlone Bear.
12 Year old Idiots: Dude flag pve. There is this Order raid and we want to go get them.
Me: Sorry I don't want to , just want to pve today.
12 year old Idiots: Dude don't be a carebare and join us.
Me: Nope *After multiple tells the idiots are (all 20 of them) put on ignore*
Me: Sweet silence at last!
Suddenly on Zone Chat: 12 Year old Idiot: Yeah the carebear would not help us so we lost
Me: /Ignore world
Me: Time to go turn in quest got ten minutes before I log off.
Me: BASTERD!! EVERY NPC IN THE ZONE IS DEAD! *Mutters to self and logs*
Well, I see what your saying but in regards it's silly.
Just ignore them like you said, plus you shouldn't care what the 12 year old idiots think of you, I don't.
Plus, if a raid group is relying on ONE person (yourself) that much it means 1 of 2 things.
1) Your a really good PvPer and without you they would be steamrolled. If this is this case, why pvp with noobs who just tag onto you to get more renown? Group with people that are equally skilled.
2) The group sucks/has self esteem issues and feels the only way they can get a proper raid group is with superior numbers (i.e. Two times the amount of people the enemy raid has) again, the group sucks and you shouldn't party anyways.
Trust me there will be plenty of people who will have the same mindset as you and me. I know sometimes you don't want to PvP ...I guess that's why the decided to let people flag in the PvE zones.
I will say I was under the impression that certain enemies couldn't leave the RvR zones but I guess that would negate all the hard work the developers have put into making the scenery so they decided to allow them access but enable PvP flagging in PvE areas. Makes sense to me!
~~Internet gaming is not for the faint of heart or the dumb of mind.~~
The fault of this is the person who went PVP in a area where everyone doesn't have to be PVP. Not with the folks that happen to be PVEing and see some less than intelligent person, SOLO, flagged up.
You can call them carebears, I doubt it will matter. They will still be able to play the game AS THEY LIKE as can the other folks who want to /pvp on in those areas.
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I'm just trying to get to the fact that I would rather not have to deal with the idiots at all, putting people on ignore is a waset of my time and if the ignore book fills up.. then I'm out of luck.
Im just saying the game is based around PVP, leave the PVE areas alone, I am sure many of us have had quest in the Southshore/Tauren mills area of WoW and found that we could not finish our quest for hours at a time becuase the NPCs were dead or unable to speak to us due to being aggroed and constantly in a fight.
I don't want my PVE ruined because people don't want to RVR in the RVR areas that makes no sense...
Why inconvieniance a whole zone of people?
If they do go a head with it they should just make it a all out free for all where anyone can attack anyone in the game (then waste time and resources balancing it out later).
If they do go a head with it they should just make it a all out free for all where anyone can attack anyone in the game (then waste time and resources balancing it out later).
You can't get ganked in pve unless you flag yourself. If you don't flag yourself in a pve area, you can't get attacked, period. The argument is about pvp'ers bothering pve players in a pve area, not about getting unexpectedly ganked while focusing on pve mobs.
I don't think this is going to be such a huge issue as others have made it out to be, as there really isn't any reason for someone looking to pvp to be in a pve area at all. They have less targets, less action, and are more likely to be met with opposition if they come looking for help with pvp. It would be a waste of time with nothing to gain, and they would lose progress compared to pvp'ers that stuck to the pvp areas and were earning all those kill points.
I think if two opposing sides happen to be moving through the pve area and they happen to want to fight, they now have the option whereas before they didn't. But otherwise, there would be no real reason to come to a pve area to fight. And if someone wants to call someone else a carebear, and label themselves morons, than i say let them. I like to know who the morons are so I can not group with them in the future, so its nice to have that kind of indicator.
Waiting for: A skill-based MMO with Freedom and Consequence.
Woe to thee, the pierce-ed.
Personally I see no reason to allow PvP play in the PvE areas. Keep them separate and distinct. If people want to PvP then they go to the PvP areas. If they are in the mood to PvE they stick to those area.
Why muddy the waters with a flag that really adds nothing to the game?
I feel you on this. I think they should keep it at the designated RVR areas as a lot of people I think won't feel like getting ganked because they were not paying attention (due to them fighting other PvE red NPCs).If they do go a head with it they should just make it a all out free for all where anyone can attack anyone in the game (then waste time and resources balancing it out later).
You can't get ganked in pve unless you flag yourself. If you don't flag yourself in a pve area, you can't get attacked, period. The argument is about pvp'ers bothering pve players in a pve area, not about getting unexpectedly ganked while focusing on pve mobs.
I don't think this is going to be such a huge issue as others have made it out to be, as there really isn't any reason for someone looking to pvp to be in a pve area at all. They have less targets, less action, and are more likely to be met with opposition if they come looking for help with pvp. It would be a waste of time with nothing to gain, and they would lose progress compared to pvp'ers that stuck to the pvp areas and were earning all those kill points.
I think if two opposing sides happen to be moving through the pve area and they happen to want to fight, they now have the option whereas before they didn't. But otherwise, there would be no real reason to come to a pve area to fight. And if someone wants to call someone else a carebear, and label themselves morons, than i say let them. I like to know who the morons are so I can not group with them in the future, so its nice to have that kind of indicator.
I understand this but just as several people have pointed out there still lies a problem with PvE to PvP flags.
I don't know, maybe they won't be like other games where a PvE AoE won't make you instant red to a flagged "High level ,flagged lvl 40" looking for trouble but as I said "why even wasted the resources of putting in a dynamic like this".
Everyone on this forum and all the "fansites know good and well that you will have "Tommy BeatbyDad" coming out to harass non flags when mom tells them to take out the garbage on Sunday. Having PvP flagged people in a PvE area can become a almost worse nuisance as you getting ganked by a "zerg mob" while questing and minding your own business.
I'm suprised "role players" haven't jumped on this with a fury as you would think they wouldn't want to see a Witch Elf named "Fred" doing the "hoochie coochie" dance "PvP flagged" outside the gates of the High Elf area.
I think this is bad mojo and a gain, I reiterate, a waste of developers resources putting this dynamic ingame (they will run off more people who have even vaguely thought about playing this game).
If they do go a head with it they should just make it a all out free for all where anyone can attack anyone in the game (then waste time and resources balancing it out later).
You can't get ganked in pve unless you flag yourself. If you don't flag yourself in a pve area, you can't get attacked, period. The argument is about pvp'ers bothering pve players in a pve area, not about getting unexpectedly ganked while focusing on pve mobs.
I don't think this is going to be such a huge issue as others have made it out to be, as there really isn't any reason for someone looking to pvp to be in a pve area at all. They have less targets, less action, and are more likely to be met with opposition if they come looking for help with pvp. It would be a waste of time with nothing to gain, and they would lose progress compared to pvp'ers that stuck to the pvp areas and were earning all those kill points.
I think if two opposing sides happen to be moving through the pve area and they happen to want to fight, they now have the option whereas before they didn't. But otherwise, there would be no real reason to come to a pve area to fight. And if someone wants to call someone else a carebear, and label themselves morons, than i say let them. I like to know who the morons are so I can not group with them in the future, so its nice to have that kind of indicator.
I understand this but just as several people have pointed out there still lies a problem with PvE to PvP flags.
I don't know, maybe they won't be like other games where a PvE AoE won't make you instant red to a flagged "High level ,flagged lvl 40" looking for trouble but as I said "why even wasted the resources of putting in a dynamic like this".
Everyone on this forum and all the "fansites know good and well that you will have "Tommy BeatbyDad" coming out to harass non flags when mom tells them to take out the garbage on Sunday. Having PvP flagged people in a PvE area can become a almost worse nuisance as you getting ganked by a "zerg mob" while questing and minding your own business.
I'm suprised "role players" haven't jumped on this with a fury as you would think they wouldn't want to see a Witch Elf named "Fred" doing the "hoochie coochie" dance "PvP flagged" outside the gates of the High Elf area.
I think this is bad mojo and a gain, I reiterate, a waste of developers resources putting this dynamic ingame (they will run off more people who have even vaguely thought about playing this game).
Actually this option opens up more possibilities and attracts more players then what you might think. The fact they are able to make PvP ANYWHERE including PvE zones means that they are following exactly what they stated....WAR is everywhere. The zones are just designated as such and you AUTO-flag when you step inside the zones...at the same time you CAN PvP in the PvE zones if you so wish....for some people fighting others WHILE questing is exciting and can be what they like doing. Just because you don't like it doesn't make your opinion more valid then others.
You gotta realize that the WAR team doesn't want WoW all over again, but they want the fact that people CAN attack cities, not just the capitals. It's part of the whole theme. And I will remind you guys, this is a PvP oriented game...I don't mind if you PvE but when you try to come and turn in a quest and find your town has enemies outside it's gates..you should be excited to see them and just jump into the fray with your fellow players and defeat their pathetic attempt to attack your town. REMEMBER, there will be no more HIGH level ganking in Tier 1-Tier 3 zones so it's not like you'll be fighting max level/max geared players, You will be fighting people of equatable gear & level as yourself.
~~Internet gaming is not for the faint of heart or the dumb of mind.~~
