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Hellgate London Demo - a disapointed
Lobotomist
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First off - NDA is officially lifted - so feel free to post your impressions.
Second - Demo of the game is available at Gamespot and other sites.
I have didn not have chance to play it yet, but judging from reactions on Gamespot forums ....
HG:L is horrible
This is very sad to hear, since I personally hoped this game will be great. But people on forums talk about cancelling preorders ....
Any Beta testers care to comment ?
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right of the bat, this is NOT a mmo by my definition, and to expect it to play as such only leads to disappointment. the other problem with it is that it's not up to par with other single player releases, leaving this game floating some where in the middle of "why bother playing" (besides for the very cool trailer that it)
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TheCore
from what i understand its a hack-n-slash console type game similar to the reckoning games for xbox only difference is you can, from what i understand, PAY to play online with other people, personally im not going to get this game because im not going to pay to play a hack-n-slash online, ill pay for an MMOFPS but not this.
Honestly, I played it a lot, and really enjoyed it but then I bought Team Fortress 2 and have since lost interest in anything else.
Hellgate is a good game, and a VERY enjoyable one for old school diablo fans. It's got the itemcentric core, and the hack and slash gameplay to satiate the needs of those players. It does however have a strange set up where, like guildwars, you see people in the hubs or whatever, but then you go through little portals into instanced (and Randomized) zones to fight and do quests. I haven't ever seen a time when grouping would make sense so playing online is basically bunk, and there is no PVP in the vein of Diablo 2.
I don't see anyone really being disappointed with this game if they came into it understanding of what it is. It is a good, fun, hack and slash game with great graphics, and lots of crap to destroy.
I'm a beta tester. The game is not horrible, only the demo is horrible. It was basically thrown together. The devs are still and will continue to be working hard on the main game, so the demo was just kind of a bonus to see how it plays.
The greatest thing about Hellgate is the developers. They are going to continuously update the game and they really listen to player feedback. They just recently game us a ton of information about launch. Sure, it has some skill issues, but so did diablo 2 when it first came out. The thing with hellgate is that the insanely fun gameplay makes up for the other minor issues. The reason all these negative beta tester stand out above the people enjoying the game is because those of us that are enjoying it are playing it! Those of us who like it (the majority) are also trying to help out the developers as much as we can.
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"We'll be saying a big hello to all intelligent lifeforms everywhere... and to everyone else out there, the secret is to bang the rocks together, guys!"
They actually just announced the pvp. You can enter and exit PVP mode. When you're in it, you can fight with anyone in the levels (not the hubs).
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"We'll be saying a big hello to all intelligent lifeforms everywhere... and to everyone else out there, the secret is to bang the rocks together, guys!"
so whats the game play like? I myself havent actually tryed this game and was curious about it but I have played games like Devil May Cry and I love that series.
They actually just announced the pvp. You can enter and exit PVP mode. When you're in it, you can fight with anyone in the levels (not the hubs).
The only way to go into the levels with people is to be in a group with them. That is what I meant by saying there is no diablo 2 style pvp where you can flag yourself and just run out of town and pwn people. In hellgate you'll apparently have to group up just to kill, so griefing will atleast be limited.
ah, yeah, I see. Sorry, I never really played Diablo 2. My bad. This new system is interesting in a way, though. Would really work well for roleplayers who want friendly-fire on.
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"We'll be saying a big hello to all intelligent lifeforms everywhere... and to everyone else out there, the secret is to bang the rocks together, guys!"
They just recently got rid of the ridiculous cheesy voices. It's all more serious now.
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"We'll be saying a big hello to all intelligent lifeforms everywhere... and to everyone else out there, the secret is to bang the rocks together, guys!"
I just played the Demo and was bored..really, really bored.
Wont buy this game at all. I really wanted that game to fit my playstyle, to be a good game to me..
well, ill wait for some other games. dont know of any yet..
so whats the game play like? I myself havent actually tryed this game and was curious about it but I have played games like Devil May Cry and I love that series.
It's really like mixing the controls of a thirds person shooter with an RPG. I've never played devil may cry. It's really hard to compare it to anything else.
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"We'll be saying a big hello to all intelligent lifeforms everywhere... and to everyone else out there, the secret is to bang the rocks together, guys!"
From: http://www.hellgatelondon.com/underground
Gossip
We’ve added loads of additional details on the people and places in the game through various NPCs in the world. This definitely helps make the stations feel more alive and provides players with more of the back-story.
More Quest Information
Quest NPCs do a better job of getting you prepared to know what you’re fighting and why. The overall story flows much better, the named demons that are encountered are given more story weight, and players gain a much better sense of overall direction.
NPC Tweaks
The vocal responses given by NPCs have been tuned so that they tend more towards the serious and “normal”, reserving the twisted commentary for specific player characters or in rare moments for the general populace.
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I like this game A LOT, but its really not a MMO at all and I think a lot of people are thinking it is ( I was before I played it). Its a ACTION RPG, just like Champions of Norrath and Diablo.
If you go in thinking its a MMO...yeah you will prolly be disapointed.
Bland storyline, Graphics are abysmal for a singleplayer game wanting $50 USD. Character graphics are okay ( not great ), but look at the buildings with low res textures on areas such as walls and windows.
I played a sharpshooter. Unlimited ammo? Are you kidding me? Yeah, it's really scary to be fighting the minions of Hell when you don't have to worry about ammo.
Creature AI is a joke. I picked off every creature from one by one with no sense of urgency or danger. The bosses were the standard ( in 1989 ) of circle, shoot, watch him drop. I used 1 health kit through the whole demo.
I never even tried any of the specials because they were unneeded. Attaching the "fire all weapons" to left-hand , then just holding left mouse down and mowing everything down was too damn easy to need specials.
Dungeon Runners has better dialog as far as NPCs/quest ( and DRs dialog is intentionally stupid, while HG:L comes by it naturally ).
There is nothing in HG:L that would make me want to replay it. And it definitely will not make it as a multiplayer, much less ( HAHAHAaahahahaah) an mmo.
If you want a game with standard Diablo gameplay and subpar graphics, that you will be happy to play through once before storing it on the shelf, this games for you. Just wait 'til it hits the bargain bin, when the price will better reflect its worth. Even better, just borrow it from a friend who already wasted the money.
yeah after reading and playing... it reminds me of a slightly bigger diablo 2... I just dont see MMO on it, you can play with people, but it doesnt have that massive multiplayer persistent world type feel
Why are gamers always so angry? You know you can not like something without insulting it completely correct?
And for those jumping up to defend it with the "the demo is not what the game is like" crap, too bad for the devs then.
Demos are for one reason: to get people to buy and play the game. They are not "bonuses". If the demo sucks, then the game sucks. If the demo is good, then the game (usually, but not always ) is good.
Sorry, my point of view. Those things you see as "insults" are called "critiques".
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"We'll be saying a big hello to all intelligent lifeforms everywhere... and to everyone else out there, the secret is to bang the rocks together, guys!"
I'm beginning to think the demo was a really bad idea. Not because it's a bad demo, but because people are apparently too dense to realize that the first five levels of any mmo or rpg are rarely challenging in any way shape or form.
For those who have not played the demo yet, don't go into it thinking it will be a full representation of the game. There are four total quests, and a bunch of easy mobs to plow through because it is an introduction to newbies of the game. Game developers don't pile mobs and challenges on the first five levels of their games. They make it easy for players to get a feel of the world and gameplay by making things as easy as possible. The challenge comes later on once you've got an idea how to play the game.
Obviously, the game won't be for everyone. But to dismiss the game because the demo didn't challenge you is lunacy. Check out the graphics (which are very polished and many times better then the vast majority of MMOs on the market today), and check out the basic gameplay. Note that graphics are set to the highest they can be by default, and that you should lower those settings to get an accurate representation of the game as you really need a top notch gaming rig to run all settings at high. I have a very good one year old gaming machine, and the default settings gave me 10 fps and made the game look like crap. After changing the settings to medium, the difference was incredible as everything looked a lot better and I was getting 30-60 fps.
If you feel that the demo creates a strong foundation (which I certainly think it does), then give the game a shot. You're not going to see anything challenging in the demo, so don't go into it thinking you're going to be immersed for hours. Indeed, the demo will last any experienced gamer roughly two hours of newbie gameplay. It's not enough to make a valid judgement of the game, nor is it meant to be.
And that says it all, don't it? My critique was based on the demo, which you haven't played. And I don't care if HG:L is the next best game ever made. Demo = game. Period.
Tell the devs to make a demo of the game you are seeing, 'cause it sure as hell ain't in the current demo.
Zorvan, perhaps you could try my suggetion of lowering graphics to medium if you haven't uninstalled the game. Try all medium settings (except for view distance) at your highest resolution and re-evaluate. Like I said previously, the default high detail graphics made the game look worse then graphics at medium.
I understand that a player shouldn't have to adjust their graphics for a demo, and indeed I blame the devs for screwing up and making settings high by default. Nonetheless, I did notice a huge increase in performance and quality with lowered graphical settings.
You may wish to give this a shot and see if your opinion on the graphics changes. I thought the graphics were crap as well, until I made those changes.
This game fails.
Combat, sucks...Animations, suck, Story and UI suck. Pass this one up, you were warned.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
And that says it all, don't it? My critique was based on the demo, which you haven't played. And I don't care if HG:L is the next best game ever made. Demo = game. Period.
Tell the devs to make a demo of the game you are seeing, 'cause it sure as hell ain't in the current demo.
On second thought, nevermind.
And that says it all, don't it? My critique was based on the demo, which you haven't played. And I don't care if HG:L is the next best game ever made. Demo = game. Period.
Tell the devs to make a demo of the game you are seeing, 'cause it sure as hell ain't in the current demo.
First, Demo does not = game. I've played some AMAZING demos only to be extremely disappointed by the final release.Second, CALM DOWN ABOUT THE GAME ALREADY. Flaming every single person that posts on this isn't going to make the demo better for you.
Third, try getting your points accross without sounding like an irate old lady.
He did not flame anyone, you just do not like what he is saying.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
Well, unfortunately, I uninstalled and deleted the demo after I finished it. I'm not going to say your wrong, as I'm sure the settings being off-kilter is a possibility. But when I run any game at highest settings and get mediocre graphics ( I had 0 lag and no loss in fps, just the graphics sucked), I expect more. Like I said, my opinions are based on the demo, game and graphics wise. If the devs have made a better game than that demo shows, then they need to get another demo made..fast. Because that demo is going to kill alot of sales Forums all over are filling with people who intended to buy it, and now won't, just because of that lackluster demo. And if the game really is as good as you and others claim, that's a shame. Because many ( including myself ) are not going to shell out $50 USD for what the demo represented the game to be.