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Is it time?
Questionable
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Is it time? This question has been asked many times by Darkfall fans when thinking
or talking about beta. There are those who disbelieve that Darkfall exists or ever will
surface but then there are others who believe it is just right around the corner. Yet still
others who are unsure with their decisions about which one to believe. In order to help
those who do not believe or are still unsure it is necessary to clear up some of these
concerns that they may have.
A major issue people have with Darkfall is its long development time frame. There
are many reasons to why this is. One is the fact that Aventurine wants their beta to be a
very polished, completed piece of work. Another reason is how it actually started. I will
not go into very specific detail but in 2000 Rasorwax was formed consisting of Claus
Grovdal, Kjetil Helland , and Ricki Sickenger. The team did increase in size and up to
around 2003 there were a total of 8 members. Around this time is when Rasorwax and
Aventurine merged into one and moved their project to Athens, Greece. This is what is
considered by most the start of the true development phase. Also what most people don't seem
to understand is that Darkfall is trying to go above and beyond what most games now are
doing, yet are still trying to stick the development time of a normal MMO on it.
The next issue is that people believe that Darkfall has no publisher which is
incorrect. This publisher is also helping to develop Darkfall and its name is Aventurine.
Some people will suddenly jump on me and say "Why are they looking for another publisher ?" the
answer ,quite simply, is "We've already planned for self-publishing, but we need to know who's willing and able to do it better."
The last of the major issues is the amount of info which is actually given. Many
will agree that these journals haven't really shown all to much different but this was
already explained to us before the updates were actually started.
"Often due to disclosure issues we’re forced to be vague, or talk around topics and this is
sometimes mistaken for coyness, by those who wish to interpret it that way.
We get plenty of requests for publicity, most of them involve us having to create regular
content, or answering interview questions we've answered a million times before. Answers to
questions we haven't answered before are often in the realm of information we're not allowed
to disclose."
Now we can move on to the subject of beta. To understand why beta might actually
come out this year is to look at some of the past beta announcements because some will think
its going to end up like the last one. When the first one was cancelled it seems like a
reasonable choice seeing as how they just joined a company with a bigger financial backing.
Which in this case means they can create a better game with their new money and more time.
Now in 2005 the cancellation of beta is still rather unknown and hard to say why. After
looking over those past events you have to compare it to the events occurring now. Firstly
Aventurine finally got hold of their notice of allowance which gives them the right to use
"Darkfall" and next it is discovered is about their $27 million loan. Now what would a
company with a substantial loan that plans to self-publish do with that sort of money? Next
the clan beta signup sheets are down and in their stead an announcement is made about how
their getting ready for single beta participant forms. On top of that in the recent review
by Asp from LoD he says "While I didn’t get confirmation (not that I can reveal)..." if he
didn’t get any confirmation than it would make so much more sense to not add that part in
there unless of course there was something that was actually said.
Hopefully this clears up any misconceptions or confusions you may have about
Darkfall and gives you a clearer view of the reasons why people believe beta is coming.
After reading this you should ask yourself this one statement. Is it time?
Sources:
1. http://rpgvaultarchive.ign.com/features/interviews/darkfall.shtml
2. http://www.anvilsociety.com/wax/news2.htm
3. http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=30347
4. http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?regser=serial&entry=78284269
5. http://www.iflr1000.com/default.asp?page=48&CH=3&CountryID=41&tcCountry=41&tcTitleID=81
6. http://forums.darkfallonline.com/announcement.php?f=9&a=26
7. http://www.lordsofdeath.com/www/
Comments
Although I kept an eye on DF for quite some time, I usually wasent that excited until a few weeks ago. For the most part I was just a lurker and my opinion was that there has to be some problem with the game. I did not think it was money since they have been able to keep the project under development for so long, my opinion was that there were technical problems involved in trying to put together such a game. I had the feeling that eventually 2 things would happened, either the project would be cancelled or the game would be completed, but I wasent sure what would be the condition of the game at release.
I had a glimmer of hope when DF released a high resolution vid in Feb 2007, showing off Naval Battle, mounted combat, and pvp footage. It looked good, and I think everyone was excited, but that only feuled more speculation and more impatiance by the DF community.
What changed my mind was when Asp from LOD went to Athens and visited DF developers, I got excited because I played with and gainst LOD on quite a few occasions and they have a rep and longevity that not very many long standing guilds have. LOD members have a hard on from what they heard from Asp, and from the look of it DF is coming. Asp never mentioned anything specific to the general community, well in terms of the date but LOD seems to be excited now, and I wonder what they know that we don't.
In my opinion, look for a new DF website; the old one will be redone completely and they will update the new site with new vids & screenshots from the new DF build.
"The next issue is that people believe that Darkfall has no publisher which isincorrect. This publisher is also helping to develop Darkfall and its name is Aventurine.
Wrong.. Razorwax IS Aventurine. Aventurine is Razorwax. Always was , always will be. Aventurine was founded in 2002 by the Razorwax guys for no other reason but to develop Darkfall cheaper in Greece..... There was no parent company to Aventurine.
They have no publisher. If you want to delude yourself into thinking otherwise than be my guest.
But that's a real nice biased fanboy write up you got going there. You should be proud.
howit WTF adven was a military company before
they took razor wax in adven is supplying df money for dev get your facts straight man
While yes they are the same company now they helped in the development of Darkfall along with the orginal members of Rasorwax. Yes Aventurine is the publisher of Darkfall in case you didn't realize that.
There is absolutely no proof to support that claim.
What was Aventurines name before it was founded in 2002 if you say Aventurine was a military company before? You won't find any.. because it didn't exist before than... They might have had interest in military projects after founding Aventurine in 2002 but there was never any past history before that time.
I bet you anything that if you look up the records of who registered Aventurine as a company in 2002 it's going to say one of the DF boys.
i bet you wont plus i dont know where ot get that info i was told in the darkfall irc that adven was around before 2002
I'm still sitting on the fence here! the problem i have believing it is because there are so many other companys who make games that dont seem to be held back by restrictions as much as df doe's! other companys seem to be allowed to show of thier game while in production where DF seems to have to keep everything secret! why?
Why can't they just put peoples minds at rest and show the game at a show or something like other companys do? please dont think i am against this game as i am not, in fact i think if it comes out it has been made just for my tatstes
I just wander why they have to be so secretive that's all.
cause they want to they ahve already said there not going to show everything they ahve shown you just about everything all the otehr game shave excpt for seiges
Do you always believe everything you're told in IRC chats and read on the internet?
http://www.epicos.com/epicos/portal/media-type/html/role/user/page/default.psml/js_panename/Business+Directory+Article+View?articleid=11489&showfull=false
this listing shows Vice Presidents for Aventurine being both Darkfall boys. A company that was ALREADY established prior to 2002 would already have management in place and would not put two amateur coders from Norway as Vice Presidents..
C'mon people. Start using those brains. This is just commen sense stuff. It's not complicated.
I really dont know exactly how it happend, but this is what i have "learned".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darkfall
In October 2002, Aventurine S.A. was founded in Greece. The Razorwax team was integrated into Aventurine, well intragrated mines it was a separte company that has money
them 2 arent part of the orginal team there part of the new team
taso and that other guy isnt there So your wrong about them being part of razor wax before the merge
"I just wonder why they have to be so secretive that's all."
When you're secretive , there is something to hide. When someone has something to hide , it's usually because it would not be good for too many people to know.
Ok than what is the history of this Tasos and other guy?
Actually, Questionable, Xion and Ubergoober do.... you are arguing with 3 of the most vigorous supporters on this site. Read their post histories, its pretty much all they live for.
What I can't figure out is what their agenda is.....why even create a thread like this one? I have an interest in many games, including DF, and I love debating various points about them, but these 3 people view any disagreement or attack on DF as almost a personal attack on one of their loved ones..
Odd.....
I'm thinking the starting date of the DF beta is about as elusive as the 2nd coming of Christ..... no man (outside of the Maker) knows when it will happen.....
I don't really put much stock in beta's, heck, we've seen games can be canceled well into a beta so I'll wait until I see the game available for purchase, a launch date announced, and reports from beta say the game is good (unlike recent releases).... then I'll get excited.....
Until then, I'll be playing something else.....
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I don't want to flame or been someone bad, but does this game isn't in development since forever. It make me think of Mourning. Could it be a vaporware ?
I mean, I remember looking foward to darkfall when I was playing shadowbane (not soo far after shadowbane release) it's quite a while ago. It look worse than Vanguard.
Seriously, does this game will ever release ?
kyl thats cool and HOWit how the hella m i suppose ot know im not tasos stalker
Actually, Questionable, Xion and Ubergoober do.... you are arguing with 3 of the most vigorous supporters on this site. Read their post histories, its pretty much all they live for.
What I can't figure out is what their agenda is.....why even create a thread like this one? I have an interest in many games, including DF, and I love debating various points about them, but these 3 people view any disagreement or attack on DF as almost a personal attack on one of their loved ones..
Is that really that different than fans of any of the other games on this website? We all see the same behavior on other game forums regularly, myself I usually see them in AoC but im sure there are some elsewhere
I wouldn't have burned someone on this unless I was prepared to burn everyone that behaves in this way.
And I certainly try to heh.
Actually, Questionable, Xion and Ubergoober do.... you are arguing with 3 of the most vigorous supporters on this site. Read their post histories, its pretty much all they live for.
Everything on the internet is not lies and anyone think such should reflect on that. Most info for this were at places that aventurine is not affiliated with. So when something is stated and other non-biased things back it up than yes I start to believe it. Its called inductive reasoning.
Being pessimistic, and yes thats what it is, is very illogical.
Its called a NDA. As for Tasos I really dont know.
Howitzer..
I really can't take you seriously, when you talk to people like that.. I have two questions for you:
1: What do you get out of it?
2: If you so do believe that DF will never be published, what the hell are you doing browsing the DF forum all the time??
I see you constantly hacking on the game over and over again! Are you getting paid to do it? LOL -If you don't have any interest in the game, at least you could do us the favor of staying the **** away from the DF forums, since you are pretty much ruining the experience for all the others!
I agree.
Thats why you dont see me at the WoW forum (I*##¤"¤* hate that piece of ¤#"* MMO), i respect the *¤#"#¤* playing it : )
"Is it time?"
no..
lol
End result, it's horrible marketing. Most people will move on to new games like WAR, AoC, ect because they are unsure of what DF has. At this point I think people should stop with the elaborate ideas and false hope and take a more logical path as I have lately. I use to be the biggest advocate of DF existing, but it just isn't true anymore. The game exists to a point, but it's not going to be taken off the ground.
Ya it's time. Time to wake up and smell the Roses.