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Souldrainer
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Why is everybody giving this game such a hard time? I understand it has flaws, and the multiplayer is buggy, but you have to undestand that...
#1 The devs funded the bulk of the project from their own life savings.
#2 This is their first solo outing. They have experience as devs, but never before on their own.
#3 No MMO out there has ever lived up to the expectations people are putting on HGL. WOW did not have any better PVP when it came out. COH was just as glitchy. GW felt just as empty.
I do not understand how people can be so narrow-sighted. IMO, if this is the game we are getting to start with, the future is extremely bright. Auction houses, guild housing, respec options, RP events, player mail, and a slew of other features are in the works. The one advantage HGL has over most MMOs is that subscribing is optional, and you can take that to the bank.
I stand beside HGL as a great action game with MMO features in the works.
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..."The one advantage HGL has over most MMOs is that subscribing is optional, and you can take that to the bank"....
Excuse me for disagreeing with that statement, but there is no way subscribing is optional with the limitations on free play. All those things in the works are for subscription players. Their subscription model is braindead marketing at it's best.
The subscribers will all be short term, there is no content in this game to keep anyone. Their only chance at long term success with this game is to drop the subscription model and maybe add a cash shop, a contentless wonder like this one will not attract enough subscribers to be a success.
What lack of content for non subscribers? What limitations to keep me as a non subscriber from playing?
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LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
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Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
Oz, your post is a load of horsecrap. Players who do not subscribe can enjoy nearly everything. Only holiday events and guilds, and a very small selection of novelty items are subscriber-specific.
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I played the demo which sucked horrible then got my beta key so i played for 3hours till i just couldnt play it anymore it wasnt fun and nothing new was offered in game play exp. that i could see but then again theres not alot of out there right now that im really pleased with at all....its got to the point Ive gone back to playing offline games and saving me 15.00 bucks a month....
Im not sure what alot of these game guys out there are thinking but grinding and grinding isnt much fun after 27+ years of gaming that ive done....i found myself going to old games like fallout or final fantasy at least they have a soild storyline...
It seems now days eveyone has gotten on the quest kick or grind you mindlessly into the ground games no one has yet to make a game that is balanced for party and solo players nothing out there is really balanced its either eveyone has the samething or you have the guys that have no life that grind out gear...but thats another story onto it self....
But i really had thought these guys that were making hellgate where going to make something kinda new but it just turned out to be a diablo thing....if i wanted that i would play diablo 2...
And the new classes, the new areas, the new content....
Not subscribing is not as 'optional' as you'd think. The devs have stated that most of the (really cool parts of) content updates will be subscriber-only. It's about as optional as buying a car without seats; sure you can drive it, but you know you're not nearly as comfy as the other people
I also feel the need to point out your lack of intellect by dismissing someone else's post as "horsecrap" when it is clearly you who either mis-posted your own post, or mis-interpreted his.
Now playing: City of Heroes/Villains, Age of Conan
Played: Eve, Hg:L, Vanguard, WoW, FFXI, Planetside, Neocron, Battlezone, EQII, AO, CoX, AA, DDO
I win at Vanguard.
..."Oz, your post is a load of horsecrap. Players who do not subscribe can enjoy nearly everything. Only holiday events and guilds, and a very small selection of novelty items are subscriber-specific."...
Well sorry I beg to differ, here is what Gamespy had to say about what the subscription provides, it pretty much covers it:
..."more storage, more character slots, monthly content, harder game modes, new classes and weapons, pets, raids, guild tools, seasonal and themed areas, additional PvP modes, Web rankings and character viewing."....
Let me interpret for you, that leaves free players stuck on normal difficulty, limited pvp, etc. Now explain to me how you think that is nearly everything?
Dispute those facts.
1) I also funded this game out of my own life savings. I also fund my own computers electricity and internet access.
2) Every time I play it is a solo outing, I have experience of grouping in multiplayer games, but never before have I been in a group alone.
3) WoW, COH and Planetside all went beyond my expectations. The Beta test of GW worked in multiplayer. Not even by the remotest stretch of the imagination from the madest minds on the planet, does Hellgate London's release quality approach anywhere near the release quality of any of the above games. Get a grip. HGL matched my expectations. I expected it to be overhyped and over-priced, and it was. I also expected it to be buggy on release. And it was.
Why the rant?Quite simple.Crying is (atm) free.
You know ,theres 2 kind of people visiting forums:
A) I dont like Hellgate.I found aspects X,Y,Z and W too simplistic(or too complex).And I really hate I cant do T(man,I really love doing T).Oh and U is not really what i was expecting.This is not for me.
The nice part is the
type is easily spotted.
The,not so,nice part is the the A) type is one in a thousand.
New classes and weapons etc are similar to Guild Wars who makes you purchase a new game to get them. Web Rankings and Character viewing are features that other MMO's charge extra for on top of their normal Monthly fee.
You get access to everything the game lauched with except for guilds, some frivilous items, and Hardcore mode.
Why should you as a non subscriber / non expansion purchaser get free updates?
Currently playing:
LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too:
Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
What raids? What additional PvP modes, what monthly content, what new classes?
They are asking you to pay £7 a month for something they haven't even got.
Hardcore mode, that's what you get. Hardcore mode a bigger inventory, and a load really useless and unfun items that used to be in the standard game until they patched them out yesterday.
1) I also funded this game out of my own life savings. I also fund my own computers electricity and internet access.
2) Every time I play it is a solo outing, I have experience of grouping in multiplayer games, but never before have I been in a group alone.
3) WoW, COH and Planetside all went beyond my expectations. The Beta test of GW worked in multiplayer. Not even by the remotest stretch of the imagination from the madest minds on the planet, does Hellgate London's release quality approach anywhere near the release quality of any of the above games. Get a grip. HGL matched my expectations. I expected it to be overhyped and over-priced, and it was. I also expected it to be buggy on release. And it was.
While I will agree with you on COH (I am not sure about Planetside since I didn't play it at release) WoW was even more buggy then HGL.World of Warcraft had game breaking bugs for over a year after release. The same ones that were there in Beta. Vanish not working as intended for Rogues! Loot bug that required relogging to fix, which was a huge game breaker when there were 2 hour + queues for the log in server. Rubber banding mobs or unhittable mobs that could hit you. Bugged guards in booty bay that made it impossible to enter the city because there was no longer any protection by the guards on PVP servers. This isn't even taking into account World of Warcrafts really crappy server performance (which I give the benefit of the doubt based on their sheer amount of subscribers) but it was pretty bad in Beta as well, so it was probably more caused by poor code then by the amount of people.
World of Warcraft is looked so favorably by many people because they really like Blizzard and their games. If world of Warcraft had been released by SOE, it would of been blasted with poor reviews. But Blizzard gets the benefit of the doubt based on their prior games.
Currently playing:
LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too:
Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
But I do agree with you. Gamers just can't leave well enough alone. If it isn't one type its the other. On one hand you have your die hard fans defending whatever sinking ship they are on, and on the other you have the blind haters flaming every game but their own while taking every chance they get to name drop their favorite game.
Bottom line is this, you either like the subscription idea or you don't. Personally if I was playing I'd forgo the subscription until they release the first content patch, then pay for a month to get that content, and cancel again until the next patch. Now, if you actually have to subscribe to be able to PLAY with the content even after you DL it I'd just uninstall and trash the game and chock the $50.00 up to a loss.
I'm still trying to figure out if subscribing is worth it. As far as I can tell, no. I am currently a subscriber and do not see really any benefit to it.
Happy one week b-day HG:L, sorry that people cant seem to see your still in you infancy.
If you dont like the sub dont pay it, if you dont like the game dont play it, I like it so I play it, I subscribed even though at this point it does very little for you,so?. Is it not possible that in a month maybe two it will be worth it? I think so, if given the amount of time flagship has done nothing then I will no longer subscribe but until then what is the point of bitching? I would hope anyhow that the number priority for them is to fix the bugs and please no one give me BS about how there shouldnt be any bugs to begin with, online games always come with bugs, WoW had a few months worth of crashes and bugs i am sure everyone does remember that? So why bitch and hate on HG:L they wanted the oct 31 release date but no one had to buy it then. Give the game some time if nothing gets better then start the flamming.
I believe reviewing the game based on the fact that the company is an infant company would be biased. The game should be reviewed for what it is - not for what it will be, not for what the company is, and not for would it could potentially be.
How ironic that this post is titled the bias - and is concerned with giving HGL a biased review based on the company that made it.
I dont think this is right, not getting elite mode was the main reason I didnt decide to even try the game past beta.
Well that and the crappy skillset, boring environment, and way to easy gameplay.
I dont think this is right, not getting elite mode was the main reason I didnt decide to even try the game past beta.
Well that and the crappy skillset, boring environment, and way to easy gameplay.
A perfect review...
You didn't even try the game!
LOLOLOLOLOLOLLLLLLLLL
I'm off guys see ya in a month or two. It takes too great a toll on my nerves to read the trolling on these forums - need to get my shields up by doing something fun for a change - like HG:L for example.
No mate. WoW is the current market leader because it is really good. Had SOE made it and called it Everquest 2, and capitalised on their previous cult title with a really top notch piece of entertainment software, they would now be as well off as Blizzard are. Everquest was the market leading MMO. So was Star Wars Galaxies. SOE had the high kudos brand name too.
The reason people like it is because it s a good humoured and exceptionally high quality game, unrivaled on the games market. There is no conspiracy. There is no mass hysterical hallucination or brainwashing of children. It's a good game in the same way as Intel chips are good CPU's and Ipods are good personal stereos.
Blizzard didn't get the benefit of the doubt from me because of their previous games. I tried it first. I played the beta test. The opposite is true, Since I knew th previous warcraft titles and Diablo, I knew to buy City of Heroes instead as fantasy is not my favourite theme.
Hellgate London however did get the benefit of the doubt form me. I did not try the beta. I did not try the demo. I bought it because of the Diablo hype. Pre-oredered it on blind faith. So did the friends I play it with.
Want to know what the real difference is going to be between Hellgate and WoW. I subscribed to WoW. I won't subscribe to Hellgate.
I dont think this is right, not getting elite mode was the main reason I didnt decide to even try the game past beta.
Well that and the crappy skillset, boring environment, and way to easy gameplay.
A perfect review...
You didn't even try the game!
LOLOLOLOLOLOLLLLLLLLL
I'm off guys see ya in a month or two. It takes too great a toll on my nerves to read the trolling on these forums - need to get my shields up by doing something fun for a change - like HG:L for example.
Someone doesn't know what a beta is it seems.
I differ with you on the WoW argument. I remember the initial release going very smoothly.
I dont think this is right, not getting elite mode was the main reason I didnt decide to even try the game past beta.
Well that and the crappy skillset, boring environment, and way to easy gameplay.
When I log in and create a character it tells me I need to beat Normal before I can make an Elite mode character. It says I must subscribe in order to make a Hardcore character.
Currently playing:
LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too:
Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
No mate. WoW is the current market leader because it is really good. Had SOE made it and called it Everquest 2, and capitalised on their previous cult title with a really top notch piece of entertainment software, they would now be as well off as Blizzard are. Everquest was the market leading MMO. So was Star Wars Galaxies. SOE had the high kudos brand name too.
The reason people like it is because it s a good humoured and exceptionally high quality game, unrivaled on the games market. There is no conspiracy. There is no mass hysterical hallucination or brainwashing of children. It's a good game in the same way as Intel chips are good CPU's and Ipods are good personal stereos.
Blizzard didn't get the benefit of the doubt from me because of their previous games. I tried it first. I played the beta test. The opposite is true, Since I knew th previous warcraft titles and Diablo, I knew to buy City of Heroes instead as fantasy is not my favourite theme.
Hellgate London however did get the benefit of the doubt form me. I did not try the beta. I did not try the demo. I bought it because of the Diablo hype. Pre-oredered it on blind faith. So did the friends I play it with.
Want to know what the real difference is going to be between Hellgate and WoW. I subscribed to WoW. I won't subscribe to Hellgate.
You abridge my post because of the usual nonsense? What anything that goes against your view of how Perfect WoW launched is nonsense?Lets see they launched without implementing numerous dungeons (that were said to be coming at release) or any type of PVP system (those came in later patches).
The Looting bug was a known issue for a looooong time. When I quit the first time when Naxx was just getting cleared (forget what month that would make it) The loot bug was still in the game. Vanish was still broken on my Rogue at that point as well. I know I played for at least a year, but it was probably longer and those two bugs existed when the game launched.
They have had a lot of other bugs as well in their content patches. Anyone remember the mass deaths in Ironforge from the last boss in that damn Troll 20man raid (can't remember the name now). People used a bug that caused their pets to keep the infection and then they passed it to everyone in Ironforge.
None of this is taking into consideration the massive server issues World of warcraft had at launch. They had to give people weeks upon weeks of free playing time due to the server being down.
A lot of their gameplay has major issues as well. PVP for the longest time was pretty much pointless. Although it was more fun back before they implemented farming grounds (oh I mean Battlegrounds).
So get off your high horse that WoW is the greatest MMO ever made. It is completely unoriginal.
World of Warcraft has 3 things that make it successful:
1. Known developer with a huge following.
2. Release a fairly well polished game compared to the competition.
3. Massive Advertising!!!! Blizzard had tens of millions of built in fans that they advertised heavily to on Battle.net. On top of their constant advertising on TV, Magazines, books, etc. If you honestly don't think that has an effect, then this conversation is pretty pointless since you have lost touch with reality.
Consumers purchase what advertisers tell them to. It is a simple fact of life.
But sure you keep telling your self that World of warcraft is honestly the best game on the market. Next convince yourself that Internet Explorer is the best web browser and that Microsoft is the best operating system. Or that Oil is the best energy source for us to use.
Ask yourself if people can really ignore what the media/advertiser tell them to think then why isn't all of our electricity provided by Nuclear power? Oh wait that is because the Media tells us that Nuclear power is so unsafe.... When was the last Nuclear reactor problem that the US Navy had? Yeah that is what I thought.
Currently playing:
LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too:
Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
I differ with you on the WoW argument. I remember the initial release going very smoothly.
really, as I recall my initial free month lasted about a month and a half since every time they brought the servers down they added time onto our subs to make up for the down time but of course you posted an argument against what we all know was true so feel free to argue some more... The god of mmos had bug problems at one point and still does... ever have your toon lock in crouch when looting, I have and no my sytem isnt crap.But as I have noticed reviewing your post, you have spent the last few days posting against hellgate and then alot of time for WoW before that, so your post is nothing, you hate HG:L great move on, you like WoW great but WoW is not god and HG:L is a great game to some.
It is simple. If you don't want to subscribe then noone is forcing you to but honestly on this site this game will not get much love from people because they have been spoiled from the likes of WOW. Just ignore the nay sayers and keep enjoying HGL for it is a really nice game to play.
Alot of people were drawn into WoW by friends who reccommended the game, because it is a good game.
PVP is pointless in WoW?! And what point does PVP serve in HGL? (assuming pvp is implemented and not bugged and people have gone through the trouble to have a duel)
The bugs in WoW are far less game-breaking than HGL's many bugs. You can't log onto HGL with some sort of bug occuring. The worst bugs were stomped in the WoW beta. I have the feeling the summon bug in HGL will be persisting for quite a while....