It breaks down like this: 1) In order to make a good MMO you need $50mil+ and 3-5 years developement time. Anything less and no matter how good your core ideas are your gonna end up with some half finished, buggy, poorly implemented product that hasn't been tested enough. 2) In order to get $50mil+ and 3-5 years developement time you have to be willing to make a WoW clone. Who the fuck is going to give you that kind of money just to try and idea of yours and see if it works.
So Vanguard is good?
So WOW is good?
...good at making money, yes, but a good game? Well that's all a matter of opinion.
To me WOW has already been killed, numerous times - as there are plenty of MMO's I rate higher than WOW.
Though, if you are solely talking about beating (killing) WOW's sub numbers, I don't think that's going to happen anytime soon, at least not until Blizzard makes a new MMO.
It breaks down like this: 1) In order to make a good MMO you need $50mil+ and 3-5 years developement time. Anything less and no matter how good your core ideas are your gonna end up with some half finished, buggy, poorly implemented product that hasn't been tested enough. 2) In order to get $50mil+ and 3-5 years developement time you have to be willing to make a WoW clone. Who the fuck is going to give you that kind of money just to try and idea of yours and see if it works.
So Vanguard is good?
So WOW is good?
...good at making money, yes, but a good game? Well that's all a matter of opinion.
To me WOW has already been killed, numerous times - as there are plenty of MMO's I rate higher than WOW.
Though, if you are solely talking about beating (killing) WOW's sub numbers, I don't think that's going to happen anytime soon, at least not until Blizzard makes a new MMO.
Yes, WOW is good. Unless you mean to imply that their millions of subscribers are idiots (which is pretty much the consensus on this site). Good is subjective. Subscriptions aren't. By the sheer number of subs that WOW has, I'd say it's good enough to beat the crap out of every other game on the market. Hell I'm sick to death of WOW, but I'm not going to join the anti-WOW league that goes around slamming the game every chance they get and denying anything good about it.
bah, I need to go to bed.
MMOs Played: EQ 1&2, DAoC, SWG, Planetside, WoW, GW, CoX, DDO, EVE, Vanguard, TR Playing: WAR Awaiting 40k Online and wishing for Battletech Online
Honestly, the only game that I will play and continue playing is Anarchy Online. It is old, and dosent have a mongrel of subscribers but it's better than wow, reguardless of how many people play it. It's unique, and it has a system that in all honesty no mmo on the market today has beaten. The skill system is fantastic, there's plently of content, PVP and much much more. The only thing thats going to be a wow killer.. as you speak of is.. Whatever you want to play. Nothing's going to kill wow. There will be subscriber's for a long long time. Even 10 years from now, I guarentee people will play the game..and even if there's only 1,000 subscriber's.. It hasent been "killed." You shouldent look for something to kill wow but rather for something that fits your playstyle.
Originally posted by osc8r So WOW is good? ...good at making money, yes, but a good game? Well that's all a matter of opinion. To me WOW has already been killed, numerous times - as there are plenty of MMO's I rate higher than WOW. Though, if you are solely talking about beating (killing) WOW's sub numbers, I don't think that's going to happen anytime soon, at least not until Blizzard makes a new MMO.
Yes, WOW is good. Unless you mean to imply that their millions of subscribers are idiots (which is pretty much the consensus on this site). Good is subjective. Subscriptions aren't. By the sheer number of subs that WOW has, I'd say it's good enough to beat the crap out of every other game on the market. Hell I'm sick to death of WOW, but I'm not going to join the anti-WOW league that goes around slamming the game every chance they get and denying anything good about it.
bah, I need to go to bed.
Sims online is also one of the best selling games, does that mean that it's good? Good at what? Good at making money? Yes. Good at appealing to a lot of people? Yes. A good game? Well..that's all a matter of taste, which is exactly my point.
Popular is not always good. Hell, having sex with donkey's in some countries is popular from what I have heard.
Anyway, you can't say something is good just because a lot of people like it, as it is all a matter of PERSONAL taste.
It breaks down like this: 1) In order to make a good MMO you need $50mil+ and 3-5 years developement time. Anything less and no matter how good your core ideas are your gonna end up with some half finished, buggy, poorly implemented product that hasn't been tested enough. 2) In order to get $50mil+ and 3-5 years developement time you have to be willing to make a WoW clone. Who the fuck is going to give you that kind of money just to try and idea of yours and see if it works.
So Vanguard is good?
So WOW is good?
...good at making money, yes, but a good game? Well that's all a matter of opinion.
To me WOW has already been killed, numerous times - as there are plenty of MMO's I rate higher than WOW.
Though, if you are solely talking about beating (killing) WOW's sub numbers, I don't think that's going to happen anytime soon, at least not until Blizzard makes a new MMO.
Yes, WOW is good. Unless you mean to imply that their millions of subscribers are idiots (which is pretty much the consensus on this site). Good is subjective. Subscriptions aren't. By the sheer number of subs that WOW has, I'd say it's good enough to beat the crap out of every other game on the market. Hell I'm sick to death of WOW, but I'm not going to join the anti-WOW league that goes around slamming the game every chance they get and denying anything good about it.
bah, I need to go to bed.
Sims online is also one of the best selling games, does that mean that it's good? Good at what? Good at making money? Yes. Good at appealing to a lot of people? Yes. A good game? Well..that's all a matter of taste, which is exactly my point.
You can't say something is good just because a lot of people like it, as it is all a matter of PERSONAL taste.
The end.
Sales is not subscriptions. Yes I completely understand your point. Restate it with every game you can think of. I don't feel like arguing with you. I have no illusion of settling the titanic flood of WOW hatred. I see your point and it's a very good point. Your point should make you proud. God forbid you see anyone else's.
MMOs Played: EQ 1&2, DAoC, SWG, Planetside, WoW, GW, CoX, DDO, EVE, Vanguard, TR Playing: WAR Awaiting 40k Online and wishing for Battletech Online
I think WoW is catered to the young and inexperienced. I think the game is boring, easy and goes by too quickly. But I think WoW has done one good thing for MMORPGS, it made alot of developers open their eyes. We will get many many more MMORPGS because of WoW. Will all of them be good? Nah. It will keep this market open and alive though.
I would like to add the MMORPG genre is so popular now and has such a huge fan base. It is time to cater games to certian type of gamers, instead of trying the all in one method. You will have a much more satisfied customer of you did this. The market is big now, we should have different flavors of MMORPGs out there of great quality. We should have the easy ones, the difficult ones, the sci fi, fantasy, skill based, level based, class based, deep, shallow, kiddie themed, adult themed, soloing ones, grouping ones, pvp ones, pve ones. Does that not make sense to anyone but me, I hope not.
I think it would give that particular audience you are aiming for the experience they are after much more accurately. That is what I am waiting for, I hate playing these all in one games, give me a game more tailored to my playstyle please.
It breaks down like this: 1) In order to make a good MMO you need $50mil+ and 3-5 years developement time. Anything less and no matter how good your core ideas are your gonna end up with some half finished, buggy, poorly implemented product that hasn't been tested enough. 2) In order to get $50mil+ and 3-5 years developement time you have to be willing to make a WoW clone. Who the fuck is going to give you that kind of money just to try and idea of yours and see if it works.
So Vanguard is good?
So WOW is good?
...good at making money, yes, but a good game? Well that's all a matter of opinion.
To me WOW has already been killed, numerous times - as there are plenty of MMO's I rate higher than WOW.
Though, if you are solely talking about beating (killing) WOW's sub numbers, I don't think that's going to happen anytime soon, at least not until Blizzard makes a new MMO.
Yes, WOW is good. Unless you mean to imply that their millions of subscribers are idiots (which is pretty much the consensus on this site). Good is subjective. Subscriptions aren't. By the sheer number of subs that WOW has, I'd say it's good enough to beat the crap out of every other game on the market. Hell I'm sick to death of WOW, but I'm not going to join the anti-WOW league that goes around slamming the game every chance they get and denying anything good about it.
bah, I need to go to bed.
World of Warcraft is a good game but it propagates too many bad game design genes forward is the problem. lack of item decay makes crafting fairly trivial (I purposely stuck to crafting consumable items personally for a nice income in WoW), Classes/LEvels is a dead end MMO model that only leads to raiding for uber gear for achiever types, socialization cut off due to level elitism (get away from me newb I'm a high level you're a lowbie!), lack of victory conditions makes world pvp pointless.
WoW is a FUN "Game" but its a poor 'virtual world'
elder scrolls oblivion on the under hand- would make an excellent virtual world. EVE Online is very well done too
It breaks down like this: 1) In order to make a good MMO you need $50mil+ and 3-5 years developement time. Anything less and no matter how good your core ideas are your gonna end up with some half finished, buggy, poorly implemented product that hasn't been tested enough. 2) In order to get $50mil+ and 3-5 years developement time you have to be willing to make a WoW clone. Who the fuck is going to give you that kind of money just to try and idea of yours and see if it works.
So Vanguard is good?
So WOW is good?
...good at making money, yes, but a good game? Well that's all a matter of opinion.
To me WOW has already been killed, numerous times - as there are plenty of MMO's I rate higher than WOW.
Though, if you are solely talking about beating (killing) WOW's sub numbers, I don't think that's going to happen anytime soon, at least not until Blizzard makes a new MMO.
Yes, WOW is good. Unless you mean to imply that their millions of subscribers are idiots (which is pretty much the consensus on this site). Good is subjective. Subscriptions aren't. By the sheer number of subs that WOW has, I'd say it's good enough to beat the crap out of every other game on the market. Hell I'm sick to death of WOW, but I'm not going to join the anti-WOW league that goes around slamming the game every chance they get and denying anything good about it.
bah, I need to go to bed.
World of Warcraft is a good game but it propagates too many bad game design genes forward is the problem. lack of item decay makes crafting fairly trivial (I purposely stuck to crafting consumable items personally for a nice income in WoW), Classes/LEvels is a dead end MMO model that only leads to raiding for uber gear for achiever types, socialization cut off due to level elitism (get away from me newb I'm a high level you're a lowbie!), lack of victory conditions makes world pvp pointless.
WoW is a FUN "Game" but its a poor 'virtual world'
elder scrolls oblivion on the under hand- would make an excellent virtual world. EVE Online is very well done too
I agree with that. I loved crafting in DAoC with it's item decay, quality levels and spellcrafting allowed you to put whatever bonuses you wanted on crafted items (past tense because I no longer play it). I prefer skill-based over level-based. I despise raiding. I still think WOW is a good game. People enjoy it.
Time is the only thing that will impede WOW. Most of the WOW playerbase are new to the genre and aren't nomads like the rest of us. A lot of people just enjoy playing the game and aren't looking for anything else. You're not going to pull millions of new people into the genre any time soon, so game developers will just have to be happy with what's left and wait for the genre to mature and change.
None of this is a reason to hate on WOW or it's playerbase. Pick a game you like and support it. This hater crap is the same mentality that gets everything nerfed in every MMO. Make your world better and stop selfishly trying to tear down someone else's.
MMOs Played: EQ 1&2, DAoC, SWG, Planetside, WoW, GW, CoX, DDO, EVE, Vanguard, TR Playing: WAR Awaiting 40k Online and wishing for Battletech Online
Nothing will Kil WoW. WoW is big, no one game will kill it. But WoW is growing old, and the player base disenchanted with continuing on in the same game for the next 2 years. WoW has grown big, like a tumor which outgrows its blood supply and being to die off in the middle. And like a tumor, it will shrink, but it will not go away. WoW will be around for a long time.
However, I cannot say this would be any different if it had been EQ which was so big, or LOTRO, or any other MMORPG. Its not something that happens to WoW specifically, but to every game. A game's popularity has a finite life span, even though it doesnt techically have an ending.
wait, wait, wait DAoC had Item Decay I did not know they did this? was item decay applicable to only player crafted items or everything?
Everything. The lower the quality, the faster the decay. Quality also affects DPS and actual armor rating. So more skilled crafters were more likely of making masterpiece (100 quality) items. The higher the quality the more imbue points they have, which allows more bonuses to be spellcrafted into the items.
EDIT: Forgot durability. As items decay they lose stats on a % basis. You can repair them, but that decreases the durability. When durability gets too low, the item is useless and unrepairable. So the crafters pretty much make all the gear since even the best epic gear eventually wears out. At least when I played.
MMOs Played: EQ 1&2, DAoC, SWG, Planetside, WoW, GW, CoX, DDO, EVE, Vanguard, TR Playing: WAR Awaiting 40k Online and wishing for Battletech Online
the WoW killer is...WoW itself...the only thing that will topple this game is itself... bad expansions or poor patches...and even a lack of interesting things to do (killing the same orc over and over and over again gets boring after 5 or so years). WoW will die...but not by the hand of any other MMO and not anytime soon
MMO wish list:
-Changeable worlds -Solid non level based game -Sharks with lasers attached to their heads
Vajuras - "WoW is a FUN "Game" but its a poor 'virtual world' "
And that is the cardinal law of MMORPGs Blizzard broke that made WoW such a success.
Instead of making every aspect of the game a long and boring chore Blizzard set out to make it fun, simple and most of all, accessible to everyone even casual players.
All of the other MMORPG developers make every effort to punish casual players and keep everything out of reach for them.
I'm not against MMOs striving to become fully realised virtual worlds but when an MMO tries to cater exclusively to "hardcore" players and is a commecial failure don't blame WoW.
The most successful MMO since the launch of WoW is LotRO which is even more casual than WoW, however it was too casual. The first month of LotRO was practically a revolving door of people coming in and just as quickly leaving complaining of boredom and endgame.
So, unless an MMO comes along that balances casual and hardcore better than WoW there will be no "WoW Killer".
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Guild Wars Lord of the Rings Online Vanguard Tabula Rasa Warhammer: Age of Conaning The friggin' apocalypse will kill WoW.
So Vanguard is good?
So WOW is good?
...good at making money, yes, but a good game? Well that's all a matter of opinion.
To me WOW has already been killed, numerous times - as there are plenty of MMO's I rate higher than WOW.
Though, if you are solely talking about beating (killing) WOW's sub numbers, I don't think that's going to happen anytime soon, at least not until Blizzard makes a new MMO.
The only company that can kill WoW is Blizzard.
So Vanguard is good?
So WOW is good?
...good at making money, yes, but a good game? Well that's all a matter of opinion.
To me WOW has already been killed, numerous times - as there are plenty of MMO's I rate higher than WOW.
Though, if you are solely talking about beating (killing) WOW's sub numbers, I don't think that's going to happen anytime soon, at least not until Blizzard makes a new MMO.
Yes, WOW is good. Unless you mean to imply that their millions of subscribers are idiots (which is pretty much the consensus on this site). Good is subjective. Subscriptions aren't. By the sheer number of subs that WOW has, I'd say it's good enough to beat the crap out of every other game on the market. Hell I'm sick to death of WOW, but I'm not going to join the anti-WOW league that goes around slamming the game every chance they get and denying anything good about it.bah, I need to go to bed.
MMOs Played: EQ 1&2, DAoC, SWG, Planetside, WoW, GW, CoX, DDO, EVE, Vanguard, TR
Playing: WAR
Awaiting 40k Online and wishing for Battletech Online
Millions of people watch American Idol. Does that mean it's the best show on television?
I'm actually laughing.... You people are hilarious.
MMOs Played: EQ 1&2, DAoC, SWG, Planetside, WoW, GW, CoX, DDO, EVE, Vanguard, TR
Playing: WAR
Awaiting 40k Online and wishing for Battletech Online
Honestly, the only game that I will play and continue playing is Anarchy Online. It is old, and dosent have a mongrel of subscribers but it's better than wow, reguardless of how many people play it. It's unique, and it has a system that in all honesty no mmo on the market today has beaten. The skill system is fantastic, there's plently of content, PVP and much much more. The only thing thats going to be a wow killer.. as you speak of is.. Whatever you want to play. Nothing's going to kill wow. There will be subscriber's for a long long time. Even 10 years from now, I guarentee people will play the game..and even if there's only 1,000 subscriber's.. It hasent been "killed." You shouldent look for something to kill wow but rather for something that fits your playstyle.
Yes, WOW is good. Unless you mean to imply that their millions of subscribers are idiots (which is pretty much the consensus on this site). Good is subjective. Subscriptions aren't. By the sheer number of subs that WOW has, I'd say it's good enough to beat the crap out of every other game on the market. Hell I'm sick to death of WOW, but I'm not going to join the anti-WOW league that goes around slamming the game every chance they get and denying anything good about it.bah, I need to go to bed.
Sims online is also one of the best selling games, does that mean that it's good? Good at what? Good at making money? Yes. Good at appealing to a lot of people? Yes. A good game? Well..that's all a matter of taste, which is exactly my point.
Popular is not always good. Hell, having sex with donkey's in some countries is popular from what I have heard.
Anyway, you can't say something is good just because a lot of people like it, as it is all a matter of PERSONAL taste.
The end.
The WoW killer is here and working on destroying it every moment...
unfortunately it's time...which takes time...which sucks...man im tired!
So Vanguard is good?
So WOW is good?
...good at making money, yes, but a good game? Well that's all a matter of opinion.
To me WOW has already been killed, numerous times - as there are plenty of MMO's I rate higher than WOW.
Though, if you are solely talking about beating (killing) WOW's sub numbers, I don't think that's going to happen anytime soon, at least not until Blizzard makes a new MMO.
Yes, WOW is good. Unless you mean to imply that their millions of subscribers are idiots (which is pretty much the consensus on this site). Good is subjective. Subscriptions aren't. By the sheer number of subs that WOW has, I'd say it's good enough to beat the crap out of every other game on the market. Hell I'm sick to death of WOW, but I'm not going to join the anti-WOW league that goes around slamming the game every chance they get and denying anything good about it.bah, I need to go to bed.
Sims online is also one of the best selling games, does that mean that it's good? Good at what? Good at making money? Yes. Good at appealing to a lot of people? Yes. A good game? Well..that's all a matter of taste, which is exactly my point.You can't say something is good just because a lot of people like it, as it is all a matter of PERSONAL taste.
The end.
Sales is not subscriptions. Yes I completely understand your point. Restate it with every game you can think of. I don't feel like arguing with you. I have no illusion of settling the titanic flood of WOW hatred. I see your point and it's a very good point. Your point should make you proud. God forbid you see anyone else's.
MMOs Played: EQ 1&2, DAoC, SWG, Planetside, WoW, GW, CoX, DDO, EVE, Vanguard, TR
Playing: WAR
Awaiting 40k Online and wishing for Battletech Online
Thank you, sweet dreams.
Thank you, sweet dreams.
Sure thing chief.
MMOs Played: EQ 1&2, DAoC, SWG, Planetside, WoW, GW, CoX, DDO, EVE, Vanguard, TR
Playing: WAR
Awaiting 40k Online and wishing for Battletech Online
Thank you, sweet dreams.
Sure thing chief.
Sleeping is popular, I'm sure you will enjoy it.
Thank you, sweet dreams.
Sure thing chief.
Sleeping is popular, I'm sure you will enjoy it.
Yes, billions of people subscribe to it, so it must be good.
MMOs Played: EQ 1&2, DAoC, SWG, Planetside, WoW, GW, CoX, DDO, EVE, Vanguard, TR
Playing: WAR
Awaiting 40k Online and wishing for Battletech Online
Thank you, sweet dreams.
Sure thing chief.
Sleeping is popular, I'm sure you will enjoy it.
Yes, billions of people subscribe to it, so it must be good.
And it's free to play!
Thank you, sweet dreams.
Sure thing chief.
Sleeping is popular, I'm sure you will enjoy it.
Yes, billions of people subscribe to it, so it must be good.
And it's free to play!
Very addictive though, be careful, I hear on average people spend 21 YEARS of their life sleeping!
I think WoW is catered to the young and inexperienced. I think the game is boring, easy and goes by too quickly. But I think WoW has done one good thing for MMORPGS, it made alot of developers open their eyes. We will get many many more MMORPGS because of WoW. Will all of them be good? Nah. It will keep this market open and alive though.
I would like to add the MMORPG genre is so popular now and has such a huge fan base. It is time to cater games to certian type of gamers, instead of trying the all in one method. You will have a much more satisfied customer of you did this. The market is big now, we should have different flavors of MMORPGs out there of great quality. We should have the easy ones, the difficult ones, the sci fi, fantasy, skill based, level based, class based, deep, shallow, kiddie themed, adult themed, soloing ones, grouping ones, pvp ones, pve ones. Does that not make sense to anyone but me, I hope not.
I think it would give that particular audience you are aiming for the experience they are after much more accurately. That is what I am waiting for, I hate playing these all in one games, give me a game more tailored to my playstyle please.
WoW killer would be a MMORPG made by:
-Blizzard on mechanics and polish
-Will Wright on world building and tools in the game
-Peter Molyneux on character progression and customization
-CCP on designing a PVP system
-Shadowrun for setting
...mix that, add a pinch of love, truckload of cash, sacrifice few virgins to Diablo and voila!
So Vanguard is good?
So WOW is good?
...good at making money, yes, but a good game? Well that's all a matter of opinion.
To me WOW has already been killed, numerous times - as there are plenty of MMO's I rate higher than WOW.
Though, if you are solely talking about beating (killing) WOW's sub numbers, I don't think that's going to happen anytime soon, at least not until Blizzard makes a new MMO.
Yes, WOW is good. Unless you mean to imply that their millions of subscribers are idiots (which is pretty much the consensus on this site). Good is subjective. Subscriptions aren't. By the sheer number of subs that WOW has, I'd say it's good enough to beat the crap out of every other game on the market. Hell I'm sick to death of WOW, but I'm not going to join the anti-WOW league that goes around slamming the game every chance they get and denying anything good about it.bah, I need to go to bed.
World of Warcraft is a good game but it propagates too many bad game design genes forward is the problem. lack of item decay makes crafting fairly trivial (I purposely stuck to crafting consumable items personally for a nice income in WoW), Classes/LEvels is a dead end MMO model that only leads to raiding for uber gear for achiever types, socialization cut off due to level elitism (get away from me newb I'm a high level you're a lowbie!), lack of victory conditions makes world pvp pointless.
WoW is a FUN "Game" but its a poor 'virtual world'
elder scrolls oblivion on the under hand- would make an excellent virtual world. EVE Online is very well done too
So Vanguard is good?
So WOW is good?
...good at making money, yes, but a good game? Well that's all a matter of opinion.
To me WOW has already been killed, numerous times - as there are plenty of MMO's I rate higher than WOW.
Though, if you are solely talking about beating (killing) WOW's sub numbers, I don't think that's going to happen anytime soon, at least not until Blizzard makes a new MMO.
Yes, WOW is good. Unless you mean to imply that their millions of subscribers are idiots (which is pretty much the consensus on this site). Good is subjective. Subscriptions aren't. By the sheer number of subs that WOW has, I'd say it's good enough to beat the crap out of every other game on the market. Hell I'm sick to death of WOW, but I'm not going to join the anti-WOW league that goes around slamming the game every chance they get and denying anything good about it.bah, I need to go to bed.
World of Warcraft is a good game but it propagates too many bad game design genes forward is the problem. lack of item decay makes crafting fairly trivial (I purposely stuck to crafting consumable items personally for a nice income in WoW), Classes/LEvels is a dead end MMO model that only leads to raiding for uber gear for achiever types, socialization cut off due to level elitism (get away from me newb I'm a high level you're a lowbie!), lack of victory conditions makes world pvp pointless.
WoW is a FUN "Game" but its a poor 'virtual world'
elder scrolls oblivion on the under hand- would make an excellent virtual world. EVE Online is very well done too
I agree with that. I loved crafting in DAoC with it's item decay, quality levels and spellcrafting allowed you to put whatever bonuses you wanted on crafted items (past tense because I no longer play it). I prefer skill-based over level-based. I despise raiding. I still think WOW is a good game. People enjoy it.Time is the only thing that will impede WOW. Most of the WOW playerbase are new to the genre and aren't nomads like the rest of us. A lot of people just enjoy playing the game and aren't looking for anything else. You're not going to pull millions of new people into the genre any time soon, so game developers will just have to be happy with what's left and wait for the genre to mature and change.
None of this is a reason to hate on WOW or it's playerbase. Pick a game you like and support it. This hater crap is the same mentality that gets everything nerfed in every MMO. Make your world better and stop selfishly trying to tear down someone else's.
MMOs Played: EQ 1&2, DAoC, SWG, Planetside, WoW, GW, CoX, DDO, EVE, Vanguard, TR
Playing: WAR
Awaiting 40k Online and wishing for Battletech Online
Nothing will Kil WoW. WoW is big, no one game will kill it. But WoW is growing old, and the player base disenchanted with continuing on in the same game for the next 2 years. WoW has grown big, like a tumor which outgrows its blood supply and being to die off in the middle. And like a tumor, it will shrink, but it will not go away. WoW will be around for a long time.
However, I cannot say this would be any different if it had been EQ which was so big, or LOTRO, or any other MMORPG. Its not something that happens to WoW specifically, but to every game. A game's popularity has a finite life span, even though it doesnt techically have an ending.
Torrential
Torrential: DAOC (Pendragon)
Awned: World of Warcraft (Lothar)
Torren: Warhammer Online (Praag)
wait, wait, wait DAoC had Item Decay I did not know they did this? was item decay applicable to only player crafted items or everything?
Everything. The lower the quality, the faster the decay. Quality also affects DPS and actual armor rating. So more skilled crafters were more likely of making masterpiece (100 quality) items. The higher the quality the more imbue points they have, which allows more bonuses to be spellcrafted into the items.
EDIT: Forgot durability. As items decay they lose stats on a % basis. You can repair them, but that decreases the durability. When durability gets too low, the item is useless and unrepairable. So the crafters pretty much make all the gear since even the best epic gear eventually wears out. At least when I played.
MMOs Played: EQ 1&2, DAoC, SWG, Planetside, WoW, GW, CoX, DDO, EVE, Vanguard, TR
Playing: WAR
Awaiting 40k Online and wishing for Battletech Online
the WoW killer is...WoW itself...the only thing that will topple this game is itself... bad expansions or poor patches...and even a lack of interesting things to do (killing the same orc over and over and over again gets boring after 5 or so years). WoW will die...but not by the hand of any other MMO and not anytime soon
MMO wish list:
-Changeable worlds
-Solid non level based game
-Sharks with lasers attached to their heads
Vajuras - "WoW is a FUN "Game" but its a poor 'virtual world' "
And that is the cardinal law of MMORPGs Blizzard broke that made WoW such a success.
Instead of making every aspect of the game a long and boring chore Blizzard set out to make it fun, simple and most of all, accessible to everyone even casual players.
All of the other MMORPG developers make every effort to punish casual players and keep everything out of reach for them.
I'm not against MMOs striving to become fully realised virtual worlds but when an MMO tries to cater exclusively to "hardcore" players and is a commecial failure don't blame WoW.
The most successful MMO since the launch of WoW is LotRO which is even more casual than WoW, however it was too casual. The first month of LotRO was practically a revolving door of people coming in and just as quickly leaving complaining of boredom and endgame.
So, unless an MMO comes along that balances casual and hardcore better than WoW there will be no "WoW Killer".