1. "Nephites" were supposivly one of the main EVILS why the god of the Bible caused the flood to destroy EVERYONE execept for Noah and his clan. Check out the King James Version. Genesis 6:4 The majority of newer Bibles have ERASED this passage putting the adjective "giants" in place of the noun "Nephilim" (ahh back to the main subject of this thread LOL! How easily Bible makers "change" and "re-change" wording in their "holy books".)
ummmm yeah... ok... Nephites is the name of the tribe.. but a direct translation is "mighty men" or "giants"
lets not be silly... The point here is that the origins of LIFE in america has been changed with the change of that word in the book of mormon... The changes as you call it in the bible.. although they change words.... the meaning of the sentence/statement/verse/chapter.. remains the same..
lets not be silly here..
I live in utah and I used to be LDS aka mormon. I don't believe Joseph smith was a prophet and I really don't believe there is a modern day prophet but I really don't believe in much of the bible either since most of it can be disproved anymore. I don't have any problems with people that do believe though for the most part it benifts most peoples lifes.
what in the world? please expound...
I really wonder on what grounds you call the LDS church a cult though? Do you consider all religions to be a cult? How is it insulting that they say they are followers of christ? Now yes everything in the book of mormon and possibly the whole book is fake but so is much of the bible. I don't see how someone can be Catholic and be a follower of christ with some of the horrbile things the church has done or how about that you could pay money for sins they even had it where you could pay in advance for a sin. You can tear down all other religions in the same way. I say they can call themselfs followers of christ because for the most part they try and live by christs teachings.
What in the heck? First of all.. the catholic believe it or not does NOT own the bible.. you do not have to be catholic in order to be a christian either... contrary to your beliefs...
secondly.. No one is attacking the mormon church here... No one is digging into their closet and bringing up stuff to denounce the religion... THE MORMON CHURCH THEMSELVES have changed their doctorine... and in doing so.. changed one of the foundations of some of their beliefs.... I'm not going to defend bad people in the catholic church... But why in the world did you bring that up? Catholics aren't changing the bible randomly to give it a totally different interpretation...
What's your Wu Name? Donovan --> Wu Name = Violent Knight Methane47 --> Wu Name = Thunderous Leader "Some people call me the walking plank, 'cuz any where you go... Death is right behind you.." <i>ME<i>
1. "Nephites" were supposivly one of the main EVILS why the god of the Bible caused the flood to destroy EVERYONE execept for Noah and his clan. Check out the King James Version. Genesis 6:4 The majority of newer Bibles have ERASED this passage putting the adjective "giants" in place of the noun "Nephilim" (ahh back to the main subject of this thread LOL! How easily Bible makers "change" and "re-change" wording in their "holy books".)
ummmm yeah... ok... Nephites is the name of the tribe.. but a direct translation is "mighty men" or "giants"
lets not be silly... The point here is that the origins of LIFE in america has been changed with the change of that word in the book of mormon... The changes as you call it in the bible.. although they change words.... the meaning of the sentence/statement/verse/chapter.. remains the same..
lets not be silly here..
I live in utah and I used to be LDS aka mormon. I don't believe Joseph smith was a prophet and I really don't believe there is a modern day prophet but I really don't believe in much of the bible either since most of it can be disproved anymore. I don't have any problems with people that do believe though for the most part it benifts most peoples lifes.
what in the world? please expound...
I really wonder on what grounds you call the LDS church a cult though? Do you consider all religions to be a cult? How is it insulting that they say they are followers of christ? Now yes everything in the book of mormon and possibly the whole book is fake but so is much of the bible. I don't see how someone can be Catholic and be a follower of christ with some of the horrbile things the church has done or how about that you could pay money for sins they even had it where you could pay in advance for a sin. You can tear down all other religions in the same way. I say they can call themselfs followers of christ because for the most part they try and live by christs teachings.
What in the heck? First of all.. the catholic believe it or not does NOT own the bible.. you do not have to be catholic in order to be a christian either... contrary to your beliefs...
secondly.. No one is attacking the mormon church here... No one is digging into their closet and bringing up stuff to denounce the religion... THE MORMON CHURCH THEMSELVES have changed their doctorine... and in doing so.. changed one of the foundations of some of their beliefs.... I'm not going to defend bad people in the catholic church... But why in the world did you bring that up? Catholics aren't changing the bible randomly to give it a totally different interpretation...
First to expound on things wrong with bible um first off noah had 2 of every animal, insect and freshwater fish on his ark? I don't think so. All I was doing with that point was saying how yes a lot of the book of mormon is wrong but so is the bible.
Sorry if it seemed like I was attacking any religion but what my point was in referance to was first someone called LDS church a cult and then they said it was insulting that they claimed to follow the teachings of christ so I was showing if they have done so wrong by following an idiot named jospeh smith then many other religions have done things wrong too. Sorry if you felt like I was attacking the catholic church I respect it like I respect must people beliefs.
First to expound on things wrong with bible um first off noah had 2 of every animal, insect and freshwater fish on his ark? I don't think so. All I was doing with that point was saying how yes a lot of the book of mormon is wrong but so is the bible.
Sorry if it seemed like I was attacking any religion but what my point was in referance to was first someone called LDS church a cult and then they said it was insulting that they claimed to follow the teachings of christ so I was showing if they have done so wrong by following an idiot named jospeh smith then many other religions have done things wrong too. Sorry if you felt like I was attacking the catholic church I respect it like I respect must people beliefs.
well... the noah thing is part of the "Miracle" of it happening... just because something seems very unlikely.. doesn't mean its false (not true)..
Your reasoning says that he couldn't have had all the creatures on board... But does your reasoning mean its false....
Just like because the reasoning of the jury in a court case finds a person guilty.. doesn't mean that he really committed the crime..
anyways.. thats another discussion... But the fact remains.. that there is no way to empirically prove that a man didn't build a large ark and had two of all TYPESof creatures on board for a flood.. thousands upon thousands of years ago
What's your Wu Name? Donovan --> Wu Name = Violent Knight Methane47 --> Wu Name = Thunderous Leader "Some people call me the walking plank, 'cuz any where you go... Death is right behind you.." <i>ME<i>
First to expound on things wrong with bible um first off noah had 2 of every animal, insect and freshwater fish on his ark? I don't think so. All I was doing with that point was saying how yes a lot of the book of mormon is wrong but so is the bible.
Sorry if it seemed like I was attacking any religion but what my point was in referance to was first someone called LDS church a cult and then they said it was insulting that they claimed to follow the teachings of christ so I was showing if they have done so wrong by following an idiot named jospeh smith then many other religions have done things wrong too. Sorry if you felt like I was attacking the catholic church I respect it like I respect must people beliefs.
well... the noah thing is part of the "Miracle" of it happening... just because something seems very unlikely.. doesn't mean its false (not true)..
Your reasoning says that he couldn't have had all the creatures on board... But does your reasoning mean its false....
Just like because the reasoning of the jury in a court case finds a person guilty.. doesn't mean that he really committed the crime..
anyways.. thats another discussion... But the fact remains.. that there is no way to empirically prove that a man didn't build a large ark and had two of all TYPESof creatures on board for a flood.. thousands upon thousands of years ago
Well you could be right I have to say there is a possibitly but very unlikely but you are right that is for another discussion I just wanted to make it clear I wasn't trying to disrepct any religion just explaining many other religions have faults and even the bible since all was wrote by man.
I also wanted to explain I am not an atheist. I do believe there is a pretty good chance there is some kind of higher power but to quote constantine I think at most god is a kid with an ant farm he really doesn't give a shit.
Hmm, well as I recall, Mr. Smith was being chased by a group of law men for cattle rustling and paligamy, and some other confidence scams, when at the time of his capture he had this experience. The reading as Ive heard it was done with a pair of magic glasses,. And considering that no one saw the glasses or the plates, Im sure his transcription was hurried and possibly flawed. OH FFS its all bull anyway. The guy was a brilliant con man that even converted some of the people that caught him. He would marry rich widows and sell their property and livestock then go to another state and doit it all again. The most sucessfull Snake Oil salesman in history, period.
Hmm, well as I recall, Mr. Smith was being chased by a group of law men for cattle rustling and paligamy, and some other confidence scams, when at the time of his capture he had this experience. The reading as Ive heard it was done with a pair of magic glasses,. And considering that no one saw the glasses or the plates, Im sure his transcription was hurried and possibly flawed. OH FFS its all bull anyway. The guy was a brilliant con man that even converted some of the people that caught him. He would marry rich widows and sell their property and livestock then go to another state and doit it all again. The most sucessfull Snake Oil salesman in history, period.
I think the founder of scientology is much more successful than Smith ever was...
What's your Wu Name? Donovan --> Wu Name = Violent Knight Methane47 --> Wu Name = Thunderous Leader "Some people call me the walking plank, 'cuz any where you go... Death is right behind you.." <i>ME<i>
I have a question to ask the Christians in this forum.
If, tomorrow, we were to discover documents on the same scale as the Dead Sea Scrolls, and in those documents was proof that something in the bible had been misrepresented. What would, in your opinion, be the reaction of your particular church ? Would the new discovery just be 'tricks of the devil' ?
Would the Bible be changed to reflect the new evidence ?
Would the entire thing be glossed over and forgotten ?
Actually, to my knowledge, various documents have been found which have added new light to certain parts of the bible and newer translations have reflected such texts. Probably nothing on the scale that you are referring to.
I guess it would depend what the new information was. I think the Dead Sea Scrolls stuff has had little impact on most churches as the new gospels (which tend to be sayings rather than stories, from what I've read) are considered to be texts from a different sect and are generally thought to carry less authority.
My guess is that you'd see all three in different churches, if there was some major new revelation found.
I think a key difference here though than with the book of Mormon is that a change in a new translation of the bible is based on (often many) original texts, and can be verfied by various scholars (often with alternative translation added to the margin). I'm not sure who had authority to change the BoM or what they would base such a change on.
Basically, all im asking is. If completely new information was added to the bible, not refinement of translation, but new literary text from known sources which do not fit with our current understanding of Christ, would we be so quick to change our ways.
And what does that say to the true meaning of the bible ?
Well, I'm pretty sure a new text would not be added to the bible. Like the gospel of Thomas, it would be published as a separate work - either that or buried deep in a library somewhere, depending on who got their hands on it first.
I think that after 1600 years, the structure of the bible is pretty much fixed, no matter what is found.
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ummmm yeah... ok... Nephites is the name of the tribe.. but a direct translation is "mighty men" or "giants"
lets not be silly... The point here is that the origins of LIFE in america has been changed with the change of that word in the book of mormon... The changes as you call it in the bible.. although they change words.... the meaning of the sentence/statement/verse/chapter.. remains the same..
lets not be silly here..
what in the world? please expound...
What in the heck? First of all.. the catholic believe it or not does NOT own the bible.. you do not have to be catholic in order to be a christian either... contrary to your beliefs...
secondly.. No one is attacking the mormon church here... No one is digging into their closet and bringing up stuff to denounce the religion... THE MORMON CHURCH THEMSELVES have changed their doctorine... and in doing so.. changed one of the foundations of some of their beliefs.... I'm not going to defend bad people in the catholic church... But why in the world did you bring that up? Catholics aren't changing the bible randomly to give it a totally different interpretation...
What's your Wu Name?
Donovan --> Wu Name = Violent Knight
Methane47 --> Wu Name = Thunderous Leader
"Some people call me the walking plank, 'cuz any where you go... Death is right behind you.."
<i>ME<i>
ummmm yeah... ok... Nephites is the name of the tribe.. but a direct translation is "mighty men" or "giants"
lets not be silly... The point here is that the origins of LIFE in america has been changed with the change of that word in the book of mormon... The changes as you call it in the bible.. although they change words.... the meaning of the sentence/statement/verse/chapter.. remains the same..
lets not be silly here..
what in the world? please expound...
What in the heck? First of all.. the catholic believe it or not does NOT own the bible.. you do not have to be catholic in order to be a christian either... contrary to your beliefs...
secondly.. No one is attacking the mormon church here... No one is digging into their closet and bringing up stuff to denounce the religion... THE MORMON CHURCH THEMSELVES have changed their doctorine... and in doing so.. changed one of the foundations of some of their beliefs.... I'm not going to defend bad people in the catholic church... But why in the world did you bring that up? Catholics aren't changing the bible randomly to give it a totally different interpretation...
First to expound on things wrong with bible um first off noah had 2 of every animal, insect and freshwater fish on his ark? I don't think so. All I was doing with that point was saying how yes a lot of the book of mormon is wrong but so is the bible.Sorry if it seemed like I was attacking any religion but what my point was in referance to was first someone called LDS church a cult and then they said it was insulting that they claimed to follow the teachings of christ so I was showing if they have done so wrong by following an idiot named jospeh smith then many other religions have done things wrong too. Sorry if you felt like I was attacking the catholic church I respect it like I respect must people beliefs.
Your reasoning says that he couldn't have had all the creatures on board... But does your reasoning mean its false....
Just like because the reasoning of the jury in a court case finds a person guilty.. doesn't mean that he really committed the crime..
anyways.. thats another discussion... But the fact remains.. that there is no way to empirically prove that a man didn't build a large ark and had two of all TYPES of creatures on board for a flood.. thousands upon thousands of years ago
What's your Wu Name?
Donovan --> Wu Name = Violent Knight
Methane47 --> Wu Name = Thunderous Leader
"Some people call me the walking plank, 'cuz any where you go... Death is right behind you.."
<i>ME<i>
Your reasoning says that he couldn't have had all the creatures on board... But does your reasoning mean its false....
Just like because the reasoning of the jury in a court case finds a person guilty.. doesn't mean that he really committed the crime..
anyways.. thats another discussion... But the fact remains.. that there is no way to empirically prove that a man didn't build a large ark and had two of all TYPES of creatures on board for a flood.. thousands upon thousands of years ago
Well you could be right I have to say there is a possibitly but very unlikely but you are right that is for another discussion I just wanted to make it clear I wasn't trying to disrepct any religion just explaining many other religions have faults and even the bible since all was wrote by man.
I also wanted to explain I am not an atheist. I do believe there is a pretty good chance there is some kind of higher power but to quote constantine I think at most god is a kid with an ant farm he really doesn't give a shit.
The most important part of reading is reading between the lines.
Hmm, well as I recall, Mr. Smith was being chased by a group of law men for cattle rustling and paligamy, and some other confidence scams, when at the time of his capture he had this experience. The reading as Ive heard it was done with a pair of magic glasses,. And considering that no one saw the glasses or the plates, Im sure his transcription was hurried and possibly flawed. OH FFS its all bull anyway. The guy was a brilliant con man that even converted some of the people that caught him. He would marry rich widows and sell their property and livestock then go to another state and doit it all again. The most sucessfull Snake Oil salesman in history, period.
I think the founder of scientology is much more successful than Smith ever was...
What's your Wu Name?
Donovan --> Wu Name = Violent Knight
Methane47 --> Wu Name = Thunderous Leader
"Some people call me the walking plank, 'cuz any where you go... Death is right behind you.."
<i>ME<i>
"The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists."
Trade in material assumptions for spiritual facts and make permanent progress.
I guess it would depend what the new information was. I think the Dead Sea Scrolls stuff has had little impact on most churches as the new gospels (which tend to be sayings rather than stories, from what I've read) are considered to be texts from a different sect and are generally thought to carry less authority.
My guess is that you'd see all three in different churches, if there was some major new revelation found.
I think a key difference here though than with the book of Mormon is that a change in a new translation of the bible is based on (often many) original texts, and can be verfied by various scholars (often with alternative translation added to the margin). I'm not sure who had authority to change the BoM or what they would base such a change on.
I think that after 1600 years, the structure of the bible is pretty much fixed, no matter what is found.