While admittedly I play casually with EQ2 for more more hardcore times. I find Hellgate London alot of fun, and can only hope it will grow and get batter with patchs. It has that "just one more quest" addictiveness going for it and there seems to be a ton of ways not only to find better items but customize and improve the items one finds.
Is it perfect? No of course not there are bugs that are getting fixed and with every game when faced with rabid hardcore gamers racing to max level more content is welcome. Is it as bad as the OP says. I don't think so <shrug> Maybe he should compare it to say TR?
I'm not going to argue who's opinion is right because there is none. An opinion is a point of view that resolves from past experiences. You say its bad game design. I personally think it isn't that bad. Just needs some work.
To dispute opinion = null.
Game design = factual.
Enjoyment = opinion.
Please learn the difference between what is opinion and what is fact. Game design is a course of study now in major universities. There is theory involved, there are facts, and there is truth. Same with film. I have a degree in both.
I am so unimpressed.
We learn many things in school those who believe everything they are taught is 100% Fact are well lets just say sadly missinformed. Theory is frequently taught yet theory is not always fact.
You seem to be saying HGL is a simple game (ie your can and stick statement) and only simple people could possibly be entertained by it because of course you have a degree that says so. Umm ok thanks for the insult. Please go back to your Much deeper soo much better Vanguard, SWG or whatever it is the people with mutliple degrees play. We'll let you be happy, and you can let us poor simple people be happy without the lectures on how game design THEORY is fact
This is not a MMO its an single player dungeon crawler. With just the option to play online with m8.
Not much to add to this you hit it right on nail there, its a boring solo game, with nice grafics and sometimes you see peeps on a station but it 100% solo with all instance almost look same a boring subway crawler nothing more.
And this game even dont belong here on mmorpg.com.
Last past years mmorpg.com staff see online and they add to there list bah:(
Cant believe these are same guys that made diablo 2 lol.
And when your a player who realy dont want any chellenge, go play this one its super easy to play!
Hope to build full AMD system RYZEN/VEGA/AM4!!!
MB:Asus V De Luxe z77 CPU:Intell Icore7 3770k GPU: AMD Fury X(waiting for BIG VEGA 10 or 11 HBM2?(bit unclear now)) MEMORY:Corsair PLAT.DDR3 1866MHZ 16GB PSU:Corsair AX1200i OS:Windows 10 64bit
I'm not going to argue who's opinion is right because there is none. An opinion is a point of view that resolves from past experiences. You say its bad game design. I personally think it isn't that bad. Just needs some work.
To dispute opinion = null.
Game design = factual.
Enjoyment = opinion.
Please learn the difference between what is opinion and what is fact. Game design is a course of study now in major universities. There is theory involved, there are facts, and there is truth. Same with film. I have a degree in both.
I am so unimpressed.
We learn many things in school those who believe everything they are taught is 100% Fact are well lets just say sadly missinformed. Theory is frequently taught yet theory is not always fact.
You seem to be saying HGL is a simple game (ie your can and stick statement) and only simple people could possibly be entertained by it because of course you have a degree that says so. Umm ok thanks for the insult. Please go back to your Much deeper soo much better Vanguard, SWG or whatever it is the people with mutliple degrees play. We'll let you be happy, and you can let us poor simple people be happy without the lectures on how game design THEORY is fact
your wrong there, its not about that its so simple its about fact its, 100% simple:P
Even when a game is simple its posible to make its enjoyable for casual and hardcore but this game have only simple no hardcore at all.
If you enjoy pls enjoy but if you even want a little chellenge dont play this game, not only becouse its repitive and boring but its made for players who dont wanne think go on automatic and kill kill kill collect collect colllect:P.
Only good thing is if you have a good pc it looks good(but also boring becouse not so much diverse enviroments)
Hope to build full AMD system RYZEN/VEGA/AM4!!!
MB:Asus V De Luxe z77 CPU:Intell Icore7 3770k GPU: AMD Fury X(waiting for BIG VEGA 10 or 11 HBM2?(bit unclear now)) MEMORY:Corsair PLAT.DDR3 1866MHZ 16GB PSU:Corsair AX1200i OS:Windows 10 64bit
Originally posted by forest-nl Originally posted by rock_harry This is not a MMO its an single player dungeon crawler. With just the option to play online with m8.
Not much to add to this you hit it right on nail there, its a boring solo game, with nice grafics and sometimes you see peeps on a station but it 100% solo with all instance almost look same a boring subway crawler nothing more. And this game even dont belong here on mmorpg.com. Last past years mmorpg.com staff see online and they add to there list bah:( Cant believe these are same guys that made diablo 2 lol. And when your a player who realy dont want any chellenge, go play this one its super easy to play!
well, it's like Dungeon Runners, only better the only thing I can say about that Diablo-clone -
repetitiveness sucks
IF they did model London city & subway (not randomly generated levels) and made coop-play REWARDING, then it'll become MMORPG...
I'm happy with the way it is though (free-to-play) - it makes my day when I wanna play shooter
We all got your point in your last 5 or more posts, game is total crap,it shouldnt be called MMO,its even a waste of money for single player and many more.Now pls go and share your thoughts in another forum about another game you like for a change.
I see many ppl posting in HGL forum that they hate the game.Why are you doing that ffs?If its about trolling im with you.But its always the same ppl posting over and over again flaming everyone that will dare to say that he/she likes the game.I can asure you guys that as with forest_nl we got your point crystal clear.Pls leave all of us waste our money and our game time, after all they are both ours.
Hellgate is a game which I thought had a lot of potential and then almost completely failed to reach that potential.
Look at the possibilities here:
1) Action RPG gameplay, including FPS style shooting.
2) Post-apocalyptic setting.
3) Engineer as a rather unique "summoning" class.
There is more, I am sure. Anyway, here is where I think they failed on the first two of these three.
1) It is not enough like an FPS. There is no concern for ammo, so you just fire full auto into legions of baddies without worrying about reloading. You don't need to worry about real tactics like firing from cover or watching your ammunition. From what I can see, there is no way to aim for a critical point on the enemy.
2) This is one of the biggest. As has been mentioned, extremely repetitive environments make the atmosphere dull and there is little to make you feel like you are in London. Little details initially seem interesting until you notice they are all over the place in a random way. It's not just that you see the same abandoned couch twice. It's that you see it three times in the same twenty foot area because it is randomized. Or you get two copies of the exact same burned out building across the street from each other. My advice to the devs: This randomization does not create replayability. Instead of making a "new experience" every time you go into an instance, it makes it the same experience for large stretches of the game with nothing memorable. I think that the devs could have made an incredible game if they had followed the lead of S.T.A.L.K.E.R., which did a stunning job of creating an abandoned cityscape. How great would it have been to play Hellgate in a carefully modeled and recognizable London?
I also found the drab color palette to be grating. It is not necessary for everything to be in grays and earth tones in order to be creepy. Rather, juxtaposing something normal and familiar (a sun-lit street in a London neighborhood) with something disturbing (buildings on fire and demons wreaking havoc) can be very effective if done well.
I am playing Hellgate now with a friend of mine. We're having a really good time so far. Maybe it will get boring after a bit. However, no monthly fee is nice. There are also some really fun aspects. I love grenades and napalm strikes (though how you can call a napalm strike indoors I'll never know....) I guess that I am really hoping the devs will figure out what they did wrong and make things better. Also, I have been encountering horrific bugs at times which have made the game unplayable for certain periods. Last night, the game locked up and was unable to crash to the desktop repeatedly. I had to reboot my system manually something like three times in less than an hour.
Come on, devs, don't let this game go to the trash
Look, what everyone here has to realize is that no game is going to be perfect on the first official release patch. No this game wont be as succesful as D2lod or its predecessors and no, HGL wont be quite as good as youd like it to for some time. The OP here is entitled to whatever opinion he holds. It doesnt matter what you say, HGL is a flawed masterpiece as of now. A brilliant idea was taken, molded, and ruined. Theyre releasing new areas, new weapons, new classes, new features. Alot of new stuff.
What id really like to say is, When d2 came out, it was a mess. Glitches were infinate, some nasty hacks and trainers, and also, UberPkers. That is what made D2 so bad in the beggining, and it got alot of foul things said about it at that time, but as it went on it was fixed and corected.
HGL right now, isnt in danger of PKers or hackers. It was just poorely made. The game could be fun, and god knows we all should have waited to buy it in february when we know wtf the acheivment points are acctually for, and when more areas are released. Idk this was kind of jumbled.
Look, what everyone here has to realize is that no game is going to be perfect on the first official release patch. No this game wont be as succesful as D2lod or its predecessors and no, HGL wont be quite as good as youd like it to for some time. The OP here is entitled to whatever opinion he holds. It doesnt matter what you say, HGL is a flawed masterpiece as of now. A brilliant idea was taken, molded, and ruined. Theyre releasing new areas, new weapons, new classes, new features. Alot of new stuff.
What id really like to say is, When d2 came out, it was a mess. Glitches were infinate, some nasty hacks and trainers, and also, UberPkers. That is what made D2 so bad in the beggining, and it got alot of foul things said about it at that time, but as it went on it was fixed and corected.
HGL right now, isnt in danger of PKers or hackers. It was just poorely made. The game could be fun, and god knows we all should have waited to buy it in february when we know wtf the acheivment points are acctually for, and when more areas are released. Idk this was kind of jumbled.
If they fix it they need to chance almost all instance many look them same only different name quests a dull and far to simple and enviroment is boring looking.
Its al soloable and this game should not have a subscription part and they should do something about these sites who hyjack the chat with zillions adds.
This game is not wurth playing the fix would be a almost complete new game dont think they will do that:P
Hope to build full AMD system RYZEN/VEGA/AM4!!!
MB:Asus V De Luxe z77 CPU:Intell Icore7 3770k GPU: AMD Fury X(waiting for BIG VEGA 10 or 11 HBM2?(bit unclear now)) MEMORY:Corsair PLAT.DDR3 1866MHZ 16GB PSU:Corsair AX1200i OS:Windows 10 64bit
If you are a remote avid gamer, which I would say means you play games 15+ hours a week, this game is indeed trash. Buy the game if you don't think so, if you post 2 months later and are still playing it, you either don't know what a good game is or you hate wasting money and try to make all your purchases justified.
If you are a remote avid gamer, which I would say means you play games 15+ hours a week, this game is indeed trash. Buy the game if you don't think so, if you post 2 months later and are still playing it, you either don't know what a good game is or you hate wasting money and try to make all your purchases justified.
So basically what you are saying is that your opinion is the truth, and anyone that disagrees with you is ignorant or in denial. Nice . . . .
I don't want to write this, and you don't want to read it. But now it's too late for both of us.
I've only heard a lot of good about this game. How can people say it is junk?
Because it is?
One of my friends bought the game and liked it. He had to promise beer in order to get three or four of us to come over and try it. He wanted people to play with...
Well, not only was the game so bad, that none of us will buy it, we had to beat the fellow about the shoulders for making us waste our time to play the POS.
We did drink his beer though.... in truth, it was better that he paid the $50 to buy the game than us.
I agree 100% with the OP and Rabenwolf, this game sucks
Lol Hellgate is the most repetitive piece of crap I have ever played. I literally just said why am I playing this? And shut the game off and haven't started it since.
But now lets think, why would someone play this P.O.S... to become 50 and kill the same Retarded MOBs in the same 4 dungeons?? There is absolutley no point to this game. I know the same could be said about Diablo, but at least Diablo was good. Diablo varied its Acts and actually strung the ACTs together as if you were playing a movie. HellGate is one of the worst Game I have ever bought and one of the biggest disapointments ever.
PS.... The OP already did a good job of mentioning why this game is such a P.O.S and also if they do add PVP to this game its gonna be the lamest thing ever.
enjoyed this game although I did not play it for very long.
I do think it was original in it's inclusion of FPS to the Diablo genre. I did like it's theme; and while the London art direction was picture postcard rather than locals-eye view it was fun to see the Tower and the subways and Picadilly and the river bed.
I fully suspect I will never become bored enough to actually complete this game and see the final movie clip. A pity.
It would have had more longevity if the Multiplayer aspects had been better visualised by the developers. They don't seem to have had any particular grasp over this area of the game.
Good game, a worthy addition to my collection. 7/10.
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Aside from the bugs i thinks it's a great game, then again i take it for exacly what it is, DooM IV with character building and light.
While admittedly I play casually with EQ2 for more more hardcore times. I find Hellgate London alot of fun, and can only hope it will grow and get batter with patchs. It has that "just one more quest" addictiveness going for it and there seems to be a ton of ways not only to find better items but customize and improve the items one finds.
Is it perfect? No of course not there are bugs that are getting fixed and with every game when faced with rabid hardcore gamers racing to max level more content is welcome. Is it as bad as the OP says. I don't think so <shrug> Maybe he should compare it to say TR?
Game design = factual.
Enjoyment = opinion.
Please learn the difference between what is opinion and what is fact. Game design is a course of study now in major universities. There is theory involved, there are facts, and there is truth. Same with film. I have a degree in both.
I am so unimpressed.We learn many things in school those who believe everything they are taught is 100% Fact are well lets just say sadly missinformed. Theory is frequently taught yet theory is not always fact.
You seem to be saying HGL is a simple game (ie your can and stick statement) and only simple people could possibly be entertained by it because of course you have a degree that says so. Umm ok thanks for the insult. Please go back to your Much deeper soo much better Vanguard, SWG or whatever it is the people with mutliple degrees play. We'll let you be happy, and you can let us poor simple people be happy without the lectures on how game design THEORY is fact
And this game even dont belong here on mmorpg.com.
Last past years mmorpg.com staff see online and they add to there list bah:(
Cant believe these are same guys that made diablo 2 lol.
And when your a player who realy dont want any chellenge, go play this one its super easy to play!
Hope to build full AMD system RYZEN/VEGA/AM4!!!
MB:Asus V De Luxe z77
CPU:Intell Icore7 3770k
GPU: AMD Fury X(waiting for BIG VEGA 10 or 11 HBM2?(bit unclear now))
MEMORY:Corsair PLAT.DDR3 1866MHZ 16GB
PSU:Corsair AX1200i
OS:Windows 10 64bit
Game design = factual.
Enjoyment = opinion.
Please learn the difference between what is opinion and what is fact. Game design is a course of study now in major universities. There is theory involved, there are facts, and there is truth. Same with film. I have a degree in both.
I am so unimpressed.We learn many things in school those who believe everything they are taught is 100% Fact are well lets just say sadly missinformed. Theory is frequently taught yet theory is not always fact.
You seem to be saying HGL is a simple game (ie your can and stick statement) and only simple people could possibly be entertained by it because of course you have a degree that says so. Umm ok thanks for the insult. Please go back to your Much deeper soo much better Vanguard, SWG or whatever it is the people with mutliple degrees play. We'll let you be happy, and you can let us poor simple people be happy without the lectures on how game design THEORY is fact
your wrong there, its not about that its so simple its about fact its, 100% simple:PEven when a game is simple its posible to make its enjoyable for casual and hardcore but this game have only simple no hardcore at all.
If you enjoy pls enjoy but if you even want a little chellenge dont play this game, not only becouse its repitive and boring but its made for players who dont wanne think go on automatic and kill kill kill collect collect colllect:P.
Only good thing is if you have a good pc it looks good(but also boring becouse not so much diverse enviroments)
Hope to build full AMD system RYZEN/VEGA/AM4!!!
MB:Asus V De Luxe z77
CPU:Intell Icore7 3770k
GPU: AMD Fury X(waiting for BIG VEGA 10 or 11 HBM2?(bit unclear now))
MEMORY:Corsair PLAT.DDR3 1866MHZ 16GB
PSU:Corsair AX1200i
OS:Windows 10 64bit
And this game even dont belong here on mmorpg.com.
Last past years mmorpg.com staff see online and they add to there list bah:(
Cant believe these are same guys that made diablo 2 lol.
And when your a player who realy dont want any chellenge, go play this one its super easy to play!
well, it's like Dungeon Runners, only better
the only thing I can say about that Diablo-clone -
repetitiveness sucks
IF they did model London city & subway (not randomly generated levels)
and made coop-play REWARDING, then it'll become MMORPG...
I'm happy with the way it is though (free-to-play) - it makes my day when I wanna play shooter
free to play? it cost me bloody 50 euros to buy it, and then experience its a solo boring game:(
Hope to build full AMD system RYZEN/VEGA/AM4!!!
MB:Asus V De Luxe z77
CPU:Intell Icore7 3770k
GPU: AMD Fury X(waiting for BIG VEGA 10 or 11 HBM2?(bit unclear now))
MEMORY:Corsair PLAT.DDR3 1866MHZ 16GB
PSU:Corsair AX1200i
OS:Windows 10 64bit
We all got your point in your last 5 or more posts, game is total crap,it shouldnt be called MMO,its even a waste of money for single player and many more.Now pls go and share your thoughts in another forum about another game you like for a change.
I see many ppl posting in HGL forum that they hate the game.Why are you doing that ffs?If its about trolling im with you.But its always the same ppl posting over and over again flaming everyone that will dare to say that he/she likes the game.I can asure you guys that as with forest_nl we got your point crystal clear.Pls leave all of us waste our money and our game time, after all they are both ours.
i bought the game when released...played it for 2 weeks...i got bored...shame
Hellgate is a game which I thought had a lot of potential and then almost completely failed to reach that potential.
Look at the possibilities here:
1) Action RPG gameplay, including FPS style shooting.
2) Post-apocalyptic setting.
3) Engineer as a rather unique "summoning" class.
There is more, I am sure. Anyway, here is where I think they failed on the first two of these three.
1) It is not enough like an FPS. There is no concern for ammo, so you just fire full auto into legions of baddies without worrying about reloading. You don't need to worry about real tactics like firing from cover or watching your ammunition. From what I can see, there is no way to aim for a critical point on the enemy.
2) This is one of the biggest. As has been mentioned, extremely repetitive environments make the atmosphere dull and there is little to make you feel like you are in London. Little details initially seem interesting until you notice they are all over the place in a random way. It's not just that you see the same abandoned couch twice. It's that you see it three times in the same twenty foot area because it is randomized. Or you get two copies of the exact same burned out building across the street from each other. My advice to the devs: This randomization does not create replayability. Instead of making a "new experience" every time you go into an instance, it makes it the same experience for large stretches of the game with nothing memorable. I think that the devs could have made an incredible game if they had followed the lead of S.T.A.L.K.E.R., which did a stunning job of creating an abandoned cityscape. How great would it have been to play Hellgate in a carefully modeled and recognizable London?
I also found the drab color palette to be grating. It is not necessary for everything to be in grays and earth tones in order to be creepy. Rather, juxtaposing something normal and familiar (a sun-lit street in a London neighborhood) with something disturbing (buildings on fire and demons wreaking havoc) can be very effective if done well.
I am playing Hellgate now with a friend of mine. We're having a really good time so far. Maybe it will get boring after a bit. However, no monthly fee is nice. There are also some really fun aspects. I love grenades and napalm strikes (though how you can call a napalm strike indoors I'll never know....) I guess that I am really hoping the devs will figure out what they did wrong and make things better. Also, I have been encountering horrific bugs at times which have made the game unplayable for certain periods. Last night, the game locked up and was unable to crash to the desktop repeatedly. I had to reboot my system manually something like three times in less than an hour.
Come on, devs, don't let this game go to the trash
Look, what everyone here has to realize is that no game is going to be perfect on the first official release patch. No this game wont be as succesful as D2lod or its predecessors and no, HGL wont be quite as good as youd like it to for some time. The OP here is entitled to whatever opinion he holds. It doesnt matter what you say, HGL is a flawed masterpiece as of now. A brilliant idea was taken, molded, and ruined. Theyre releasing new areas, new weapons, new classes, new features. Alot of new stuff.
What id really like to say is, When d2 came out, it was a mess. Glitches were infinate, some nasty hacks and trainers, and also, UberPkers. That is what made D2 so bad in the beggining, and it got alot of foul things said about it at that time, but as it went on it was fixed and corected.
HGL right now, isnt in danger of PKers or hackers. It was just poorely made. The game could be fun, and god knows we all should have waited to buy it in february when we know wtf the acheivment points are acctually for, and when more areas are released. Idk this was kind of jumbled.
Its al soloable and this game should not have a subscription part and they should do something about these sites who hyjack the chat with zillions adds.
This game is not wurth playing the fix would be a almost complete new game dont think they will do that:P
Hope to build full AMD system RYZEN/VEGA/AM4!!!
MB:Asus V De Luxe z77
CPU:Intell Icore7 3770k
GPU: AMD Fury X(waiting for BIG VEGA 10 or 11 HBM2?(bit unclear now))
MEMORY:Corsair PLAT.DDR3 1866MHZ 16GB
PSU:Corsair AX1200i
OS:Windows 10 64bit
If you are a remote avid gamer, which I would say means you play games 15+ hours a week, this game is indeed trash. Buy the game if you don't think so, if you post 2 months later and are still playing it, you either don't know what a good game is or you hate wasting money and try to make all your purchases justified.
This is why I enjoy only the elite nightmare mode. But I enjoy a lot more before patch 0.7. Now everything is less challenging.
So basically what you are saying is that your opinion is the truth, and anyone that disagrees with you is ignorant or in denial. Nice . . . .
I don't want to write this, and you don't want to read it. But now it's too late for both of us.
I quite enjoyed the demo.
Hopefully getting it for Christmas.
It seemed good for playing for a hour or two.
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I've only heard a lot of good about this game. How can people say it is junk?
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One of my friends bought the game and liked it. He had to promise beer in order to get three or four of us to come over and try it. He wanted people to play with...
Well, not only was the game so bad, that none of us will buy it, we had to beat the fellow about the shoulders for making us waste our time to play the POS.
We did drink his beer though.... in truth, it was better that he paid the $50 to buy the game than us.
I agree 100% with the OP and Rabenwolf, this game sucks
Lol Hellgate is the most repetitive piece of crap I have ever played. I literally just said why am I playing this? And shut the game off and haven't started it since.
But now lets think, why would someone play this P.O.S... to become 50 and kill the same Retarded MOBs in the same 4 dungeons?? There is absolutley no point to this game. I know the same could be said about Diablo, but at least Diablo was good. Diablo varied its Acts and actually strung the ACTs together as if you were playing a movie. HellGate is one of the worst Game I have ever bought and one of the biggest disapointments ever.
PS.... The OP already did a good job of mentioning why this game is such a P.O.S and also if they do add PVP to this game its gonna be the lamest thing ever.
enjoyed this game although I did not play it for very long.
I do think it was original in it's inclusion of FPS to the Diablo genre. I did like it's theme; and while the London art direction was picture postcard rather than locals-eye view it was fun to see the Tower and the subways and Picadilly and the river bed.
I fully suspect I will never become bored enough to actually complete this game and see the final movie clip. A pity.
It would have had more longevity if the Multiplayer aspects had been better visualised by the developers. They don't seem to have had any particular grasp over this area of the game.
Good game, a worthy addition to my collection. 7/10.
Would anyone name me a PvE centric game that isn't repetitive?
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