Originally posted by vajuras You need micromangement skills in RTS games like C&C3, starcraft, supreme commander, company of heroes, etc. I would say 'Micro' is just as demanding if not more so
<not sure if I misread this post>
Also I want to add most RTS have things like Range, use of cover, use of terrain, stealth, recon, knowledge of terrain, etc. These elements surely blow away MMORPG in regards to player skill. I am not sure if one would consider this more 'tactical' then player skill so I will surrender on that front
I would use the word strategy rather than tactical, but I guess they're sinonymous to each other. While I don't think it takes a lot of skills in terms of reflexes (some are required when last minute decisions have to be made). RTS's do need brain power,planning and knowing timing for strikes. Too bad a lot of MMO's now a days don't really require a lot of brain power to play, and very few require reflex skills. Just button mashing.
Ok first off I am the girl who used to go down to the local pizza place and take all the deliverery drivers tips by owning them at mortal kombat( still my all time favorite game).Sadly, those days are pretty much over, sure i can play it on xbox but it will never be the same as an actual arcade machine. Anyhow my take on pvp combat, well the biggest problem i see with alot of these games is the "luck factor" verses real player ability. To me player killing should be about reflexes, game knowledge, memorization and better guessing of what your opponent will do next. The ability to control the fight and make your opponent do what you want them to do is what makes a good fighter. What I dislike about having to choose classes that all have different skills is that it takes alot of that away. As soon as you see an elf you know what their strengths and weaknesses are so it is easy to know what to do next verses figuring it out in the heat of battle. If all players in the game have all abilities on one character and can make those characters appear however they want, then you would never be able to " predetermine" what they are capable of upon sight like fighting a real opponent. If all players can train anything however they wish or everything to max, they can choose to work for it. so on one character you can have everything the game has to offer instead of having to create several characters to accomplish this. A game that allows you to do anything in actual battle in the game would make it possible to take combat to a higher level. You would never know what another player was going to do based on their appearance and you would never know what the other player was going to do in the middle of battle. Just because they maged you doesn't mean they are not going to range you then melee you. For players that fight for the challenge not for loot or fear this is what player killing is all about. Players that care nothing if they die , and do not care much for pixel items, this is what makes the game fun. The predictability in alot of games when fighting players makes you feel like you might as well be fighting an npc. If it were up to me I would take computerized luck out of it entirely and leave it up to real player skill, and have all players have the ability to do anything in battle that they choose to train all on one character. That is what player killing to me is all about.
never played eve online or SWG (before the nge/cu) i take it?
if reflexes were for xbox games.. why would soo many players like myself want them in computer games? I have an xbox ... and i play my computer more.. I prefer pc games over my xbox tyvm .. and i like reflexes in pvp combat .. why would you possibly think that reflexes should be left out? I mean what is left without them? better pixel junk determining? plox who would want to play a game based on that? lmao. stats should play a role.. but not be all that it takes to win that would be mindless nonsense.
cause you're not good enough for xbox reflexes and you found weaker prey. Also you don't need reflexes for RTS and those are pvp.
Hahahah! actually my xbox sits there collecting dust because all my friends I play on it don't want me killing them anymore... they won't even play me =(. I mean every once in a while I will talk them into playing but I mean there is no point for me if I have to let them win so they will play me again. And playing xbox online... Playing 13 yr old lil boys is boring to me not challenging. I want the whole package the player interaction as well as good pvp ( which includes reflexes). And tbh I have found more challenging "prey" on my pc than on my xbox.
There is always going to be one better than you , you just need to find him/her and learn from that person that will give you a good match for your personal 1st place and that will give you the energy to start playing again .
i find it hilarious that all you have to do is add the word "girl" to a thread's name and you'll get 6 pages of replies. actually, its just disgusting.
and seriously, does the "perspective" of pvp even differ between a male and female?
i find it hilarious that all you have to do is add the word "girl" to a thread's name and you'll get 6 pages of replies. actually, its just disgusting. and seriously, does the "perspective" of pvp even differ between a male and female?
The answer to that question would prolly be yes. But then again the perspective on a regular "kind" person and "not kind" persons perspective in this case also would differ from eachother. And as you know girls/women dont think the same as men which makes this post intressting to read.
And ofc I see your point in that if the person is a female she get more attention which it true because ther are alot more guys playing mmo´s than girls, but if you look at the statistics that is changing so in a few years maybe there will be more equal guys and girls playing mmo´s.
i find it hilarious that all you have to do is add the word "girl" to a thread's name and you'll get 6 pages of replies. actually, its just disgusting. and seriously, does the "perspective" of pvp even differ between a male and female?
The answer to that question would prolly be yes. But then again the perspective on a regular "kind" person and "not kind" persons perspective in this case also would differ from eachother. And as you know girls/women dont think the same as men which makes this post intressting to read.
And ofc I see your point in that if the person is a female she get more attention which it true because ther are alot more guys playing mmo´s than girls, but if you look at the statistics that is changing so in a few years maybe there will be more equal guys and girls playing mmo´s.
being a female myself, i can say that my perspective of pvp is no different from a male's. i enjoy pvp in most games, i do it often, and i'm not half bad at it. is there some sort of mmo stereotype suggesting that females don't like pvp that i'm missing? would that make a male who doesn't like pvp less masculine? i really don't get it, so i'm just going to assume that the OP is attention whoring for replies.
Originally posted by Bane82 Originally posted by vajuras You need micromangement skills in RTS games like C&C3, starcraft, supreme commander, company of heroes, etc. I would say 'Micro' is just as demanding if not more so<not sure if I misread this post>Also I want to add most RTS have things like Range, use of cover, use of terrain, stealth, recon, knowledge of terrain, etc. These elements surely blow away MMORPG in regards to player skill. I am not sure if one would consider this more 'tactical' then player skill so I will surrender on that front
I would use the word strategy rather than tactical, but I guess they're sinonymous to each other. While I don't think it takes a lot of skills in terms of reflexes (some are required when last minute decisions have to be made). RTS's do need brain power,planning and knowing timing for strikes. Too bad a lot of MMO's now a days don't really require a lot of brain power to play, and very few require reflex skills. Just button mashing.
Your post is correct I thank you for the correction. Sometimes I get myself so worked up I get long winded and spout off nonsense hehe. Yes I agree
Originally posted by mudkip9001 i find it hilarious that all you have to do is add the word "girl" to a thread's name and you'll get 6 pages of replies. actually, its just disgusting. and seriously, does the "perspective" of pvp even differ between a male and female?
Well I admit I was curious to read what a female gamer perspective was and I was pleasantly surprised to find a kindred spirit.
being a female myself, i can say that my perspective of pvp is no different from a male's. i enjoy pvp in most games, i do it often, and i'm not half bad at it. is there some sort of mmo stereotype suggesting that females don't like pvp that i'm missing? would that make a male who doesn't like pvp less masculine? i really don't get it, so i'm just going to assume that the OP is attention whoring for replies.
Actually every girl I have met on mmorpgs loves combat and has shared similar ideas with me and that was why I was expressing it as a " girls perspective" Most girls I knew were also holding leadership positions in their clans as well. I had recently had a discussion with some "males" on the subject who thought that luck and weapons / armor were more important than actual real player skill and that is where this started. Anyhow from the male perspective that I have dealt with it there has been quite a bit of difference between the ideas on the subject. Yes there is alot of stereo typing and some guys find it demasculating to get beat by a girl, while on the other hand there are guys who like it =x. and actually I had no idea that " a girls perspective " would have anything to do with the amount of replies a thread would receive, considering I have posted this in developers corner as well and have not had any replies. I do not think gender should have anything to so with the number of replies a thread receives, i would hope that anyone who cares about pvp combat in mmorpgs would be replying to any threads on the subject.
patrikd23 "ther are alot more guys playing mmo´s than girls, but if you look at the statistics that is changing so in a few years maybe there will be more equal guys and girls playing mmo´s."
I certainly hope so, maybe if the developers take some of the girls advice about things it would make them more attractive to women. Maybe even one day we will outnumber the guys! hahaha!
patrikd23 "There is always going to be one better than you , you just need to find him/her and learn from that person that will give you a good match for your personal 1st place and that will give you the energy to start playing again . "
yes actually that is exactly what I look for.. someone who mkes me work for it and not hands it to me. Easy = Boring. Yes I have met more people on pc than on xbox that give that challenge. I have more energy than I know what to do with when it comes to games, just trying to find a game with the content I am looking for is very hard these days.
being a female myself, i can say that my perspective of pvp is no different from a male's. i enjoy pvp in most games, i do it often, and i'm not half bad at it. is there some sort of mmo stereotype suggesting that females don't like pvp that i'm missing? would that make a male who doesn't like pvp less masculine? i really don't get it, so i'm just going to assume that the OP is attention whoring for replies. Actually every girl I have met on mmorpgs loves combat and has shared similar ideas with me and that was why I was expressing it as a " girls perspective" Most girls I knew were also holding leadership positions in their clans as well. I had recently had a discussion with some "males" on the subject who thought that luck and weapons / armor were more important than actual real player skill and that is where this started. Anyhow from the male perspective that I have dealt with it there has been quite a bit of difference between the ideas on the subject. Yes there is alot of stereo typing and some guys find it demasculating to get beat by a girl, while on the other hand there are guys who like it =x. and actually I had no idea that " a girls perspective " would have anything to do with the amount of replies a thread would receive, considering I have posted this in developers corner as well and have not had any replies. I do not think gender should have anything to so with the number of replies a thread receives, i would hope that anyone who cares about pvp combat in mmorpgs would be replying to any threads on the subject.
If I get beaten by a girl in pvp I dont feel less masculine but I sure show them more respect when it comes to stuff about pvp like what they are saying when they talk about it but that is almost the same of getting beat by a man in pvp. I mean if you dont know the person you lose to in pvp you get mad and so. But practice makes perfect, not true about all mmo´s though since most of these "click to walk pvp games" are all the same. Good gear+luck+attack first = win .. Sadly (if same level ofc)
And about the luck and gear thing... some mmo pvp games really comes alot down to luck and gear, but when it comes down to fighting games like Soul Calibur,Tekken and so on its pure skill and there is not an excuse in the world you can have for losing the battle 1 on 1
I agree, PvP in most games i.e. Runescape are more or less luck based, the only exception being your levels attack, strength,defence etc. If there was a game which gave you the freedom to do anythin in combat, i would play it.
I love playing with women, but I absolutely can't cope with them in a leadership role. Women don't stop to breathe when they take punches and they lack an immense amount of self-critique, completely disabling any discussion concerning their performance, where men at least listen to the feedback.
How do I know ? I've had several WoW guilds with female leaders. Needless to say, we didn't get along.
I love playing with women, but I absolutely can't cope with them in a leadership role. Women don't stop to breathe when they take punches and they lack an immense amount of self-critique, completely disabling any discussion concerning their performance, where men at least listen to the feedback. How do I know ? I've had several WoW guilds with female leaders. Needless to say, we didn't get along.
A pure and born leader is a good leader no matter what gender they are. I have had one of each and I can say out of my own experience that there are really good female leaders too, but they dont grow on trees that is for sure.
Yeah, as someone mentioned, precu swg basically had this. Ofcourse, you had a cap on points, 250 I believe but it's been awhile.
But now, if you took this quality from Precu SWG and you were able to put in the LOTRO's upcoming ability of being able to outwardly display whatever you want clothing wise while mainting the stats from your armor underneath, we could then have a pretty close approximation for what you are looking for.
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I would use the word strategy rather than tactical, but I guess they're sinonymous to each other. While I don't think it takes a lot of skills in terms of reflexes (some are required when last minute decisions have to be made). RTS's do need brain power,planning and knowing timing for strikes. Too bad a lot of MMO's now a days don't really require a lot of brain power to play, and very few require reflex skills. Just button mashing.
never played eve online or SWG (before the nge/cu) i take it?
cause you're not good enough for xbox reflexes and you found weaker prey. Also you don't need reflexes for RTS and those are pvp.
Hahahah! actually my xbox sits there collecting dust because all my friends I play on it don't want me killing them anymore... they won't even play me =(. I mean every once in a while I will talk them into playing but I mean there is no point for me if I have to let them win so they will play me again. And playing xbox online... Playing 13 yr old lil boys is boring to me not challenging. I want the whole package the player interaction as well as good pvp ( which includes reflexes). And tbh I have found more challenging "prey" on my pc than on my xbox.
There is always going to be one better than you , you just need to find him/her and learn from that person that will give you a good match for your personal 1st place and that will give you the energy to start playing again .
i find it hilarious that all you have to do is add the word "girl" to a thread's name and you'll get 6 pages of replies. actually, its just disgusting.
and seriously, does the "perspective" of pvp even differ between a male and female?
The answer to that question would prolly be yes. But then again the perspective on a regular "kind" person and "not kind" persons perspective in this case also would differ from eachother. And as you know girls/women dont think the same as men which makes this post intressting to read.
And ofc I see your point in that if the person is a female she get more attention which it true because ther are alot more guys playing mmo´s than girls, but if you look at the statistics that is changing so in a few years maybe there will be more equal guys and girls playing mmo´s.
The answer to that question would prolly be yes. But then again the perspective on a regular "kind" person and "not kind" persons perspective in this case also would differ from eachother. And as you know girls/women dont think the same as men which makes this post intressting to read.
And ofc I see your point in that if the person is a female she get more attention which it true because ther are alot more guys playing mmo´s than girls, but if you look at the statistics that is changing so in a few years maybe there will be more equal guys and girls playing mmo´s.
being a female myself, i can say that my perspective of pvp is no different from a male's. i enjoy pvp in most games, i do it often, and i'm not half bad at it. is there some sort of mmo stereotype suggesting that females don't like pvp that i'm missing? would that make a male who doesn't like pvp less masculine? i really don't get it, so i'm just going to assume that the OP is attention whoring for replies.
I would use the word strategy rather than tactical, but I guess they're sinonymous to each other. While I don't think it takes a lot of skills in terms of reflexes (some are required when last minute decisions have to be made). RTS's do need brain power,planning and knowing timing for strikes. Too bad a lot of MMO's now a days don't really require a lot of brain power to play, and very few require reflex skills. Just button mashing.
Your post is correct I thank you for the correction. Sometimes I get myself so worked up I get long winded and spout off nonsense hehe. Yes I agree
Well I admit I was curious to read what a female gamer perspective was and I was pleasantly surprised to find a kindred spirit.
originally posted by mudkip9001
being a female myself, i can say that my perspective of pvp is no different from a male's. i enjoy pvp in most games, i do it often, and i'm not half bad at it. is there some sort of mmo stereotype suggesting that females don't like pvp that i'm missing? would that make a male who doesn't like pvp less masculine? i really don't get it, so i'm just going to assume that the OP is attention whoring for replies.
Actually every girl I have met on mmorpgs loves combat and has shared similar ideas with me and that was why I was expressing it as a " girls perspective" Most girls I knew were also holding leadership positions in their clans as well. I had recently had a discussion with some "males" on the subject who thought that luck and weapons / armor were more important than actual real player skill and that is where this started. Anyhow from the male perspective that I have dealt with it there has been quite a bit of difference between the ideas on the subject. Yes there is alot of stereo typing and some guys find it demasculating to get beat by a girl, while on the other hand there are guys who like it =x. and actually I had no idea that " a girls perspective " would have anything to do with the amount of replies a thread would receive, considering I have posted this in developers corner as well and have not had any replies. I do not think gender should have anything to so with the number of replies a thread receives, i would hope that anyone who cares about pvp combat in mmorpgs would be replying to any threads on the subject.
I certainly hope so, maybe if the developers take some of the girls advice about things it would make them more attractive to women. Maybe even one day we will outnumber the guys! hahaha!
patrikd23 "There is always going to be one better than you , you just need to find him/her and learn from that person that will give you a good match for your personal 1st place and that will give you the energy to start playing again . "
yes actually that is exactly what I look for.. someone who mkes me work for it and not hands it to me. Easy = Boring. Yes I have met more people on pc than on xbox that give that challenge. I have more energy than I know what to do with when it comes to games, just trying to find a game with the content I am looking for is very hard these days.
If I get beaten by a girl in pvp I dont feel less masculine but I sure show them more respect when it comes to stuff about pvp like what they are saying when they talk about it but that is almost the same of getting beat by a man in pvp. I mean if you dont know the person you lose to in pvp you get mad and so. But practice makes perfect, not true about all mmo´s though since most of these "click to walk pvp games" are all the same. Good gear+luck+attack first = win .. Sadly (if same level ofc)
And about the luck and gear thing... some mmo pvp games really comes alot down to luck and gear, but when it comes down to fighting games like Soul Calibur,Tekken and so on its pure skill and there is not an excuse in the world you can have for losing the battle 1 on 1
Jumpgate is pure player skill PVP.
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I agree, PvP in most games i.e. Runescape are more or less luck based, the only exception being your levels attack, strength,defence etc. If there was a game which gave you the freedom to do anythin in combat, i would play it.
I love playing with women, but I absolutely can't cope with them in a leadership role. Women don't stop to breathe when they take punches and they lack an immense amount of self-critique, completely disabling any discussion concerning their performance, where men at least listen to the feedback.
How do I know ? I've had several WoW guilds with female leaders. Needless to say, we didn't get along.
A pure and born leader is a good leader no matter what gender they are. I have had one of each and I can say out of my own experience that there are really good female leaders too, but they dont grow on trees that is for sure.
Yeah, as someone mentioned, precu swg basically had this. Ofcourse, you had a cap on points, 250 I believe but it's been awhile.
But now, if you took this quality from Precu SWG and you were able to put in the LOTRO's upcoming ability of being able to outwardly display whatever you want clothing wise while mainting the stats from your armor underneath, we could then have a pretty close approximation for what you are looking for.