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Any kind of Mouse Smoothing in this game?

ecklund11ecklund11 Member UncommonPosts: 12

Just played for the first time with a 3 day trial.  The one thing I noticed is that when I aim at a creature and move the mouse cursor slower, it jumps.  It isn't smooth.  Makes it difficult to aim at creature that are at long distances.  Is there anything I can do to make this better?

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  • kjfettkjfett Member UncommonPosts: 234

    Sounds like graphicas lag.  I don't have any problems with my mouse movements unless my FPS gets too low.  When in game, hit F4 to bring up the FPS monitor and run with it a while in combat....you don't want to see that number drop below 30FPS and if it does.....lower your settings a little. 

  • ecklund11ecklund11 Member UncommonPosts: 12

    Nope.. I get 90 FPS in the training area.

    Nothing seems to lag.  It's just that the mouse movements are not smooth movements. 

     

    The mouse moves consistently the same way. 

  • cmgangrelcmgangrel Member UncommonPosts: 152

    Try playing with the mouse sensitivity a little bit.

    Then again i have to admit that i dont suffer from this problem (or i just dont notice it after 7 months of playing)

  • StellosStellos Member UncommonPosts: 1,491

    I experience the same problem.  I feel the people that claim "no prob" are in denial.  The game doens't run smooth even with high-end machines and customizable settings.  You are not alone, but there are a lot of fanbois that like to defend their games here.  I think TB is a decent game, but I'm not going to lie and say it's something it's not.

  • AcePylutAcePylut Member Posts: 20

    Are the rollers on your mouse dirty?  Maybe all you need to do is clean the mouseball and associated rollers.

     

    Plz disregard if you have an optical.

  • ecklund11ecklund11 Member UncommonPosts: 12

    The game is running pretty smooth.  

    By mouse smoothing I mean mouse precision maybe.   Here is how I do it.  If you are in windows.. move your cursor very slowly.  Notice how it responds and moves the whole time.  Now do that in game.  It just doesn't respond the same way.  I doesn't always move.  If you move the mouse fast it is fine. 

     

    Edit: I would deserve to be shot if I was using a ball mouse.

  • kjfettkjfett Member UncommonPosts: 234
    Originally posted by Stellos


    I experience the same problem.  I feel the people that claim "no prob" are in denial.  The game doens't run smooth even with high-end machines and customizable settings.  You are not alone, but there are a lot of fanbois that like to defend their games here.  I think TB is a decent game, but I'm not going to lie and say it's something it's not.



    Denial my arse.  I love using a rifle, finding a good ranged spot to crouch behind and sniping mobs at 60+m  away.  The mouse goes to were I say and get's the sticky lock.  This is just not an issue for me and I know when it is as I have played FPSs that had the problem.  Furthermore, no one claimed he was alone in what he was facing and others offered up  solutions...you however managed to troll, add nothing to the thread and insult people.   

  • MicromegasMicromegas Member Posts: 15
    I've got the same problem with the "jerky" mouse. Not smooth at all. I tried playing with mouse sensitivity, but that didn't alleviate the problem.

    Any fix?
  • ShoalShoal Member Posts: 1,156

    All might want to post their Mouse and Settings specs.

    There is a huge difference between the performance of a Sneaky-Peat's $10 ball mouse in software mode on the shiny desktop, and a Logitech G5 running in Hardware mode on an optical no-slip pad.

    More info would help.

  • FuhyoFuhyo Member Posts: 66

    Originally posted by Stellos


    I experience the same problem.  I feel the people that claim "no prob" are in denial.  The game doens't run smooth even with high-end machines and customizable settings.  You are not alone, but there are a lot of fanbois that like to defend their games here.  I think TB is a decent game, but I'm not going to lie and say it's something it's not.
    No denial here.  I am not experiencing the troubles the OP has described.  I'm using a MS Habu laser mouse and it's as smooth as silk in game.  The only adjustment I had to do was lower the sensativity just a tad.

    Fuhyo Subotai

  • ShoalShoal Member Posts: 1,156

    Originally posted by Fuhyo


     
    Originally posted by Stellos


    I experience the same problem.  I feel the people that claim "no prob" are in denial.  The game doens't run smooth even with high-end machines and customizable settings.  You are not alone, but there are a lot of fanbois that like to defend their games here.  I think TB is a decent game, but I'm not going to lie and say it's something it's not.
    No denial here.  I am not experiencing the troubles the OP has described.  I'm using a MS Habu laser mouse and it's as smooth as silk in game.  The only adjustment I had to do was lower the sensativity just a tad.

     

    Fuhyo Subotai


    Exactly my point.   The Habu is a top-of-the-line, $70 msrp gaming mouse.

    What does the OP have?  That is the question.  And all the other folks having cursor problems.  Also, what are they using for drivers?  The default MS ones?  Blech.

  • ecklund11ecklund11 Member UncommonPosts: 12

    I am using a cheap logitech optical mouse.   I have a new Microsoft one that I haven't hooked up yet.  Though, it is a cheapy as well.   Like I said before, I don't have any problems with any other games.  And yes, I didn't download drivers for this mouse.. just using the MS one.  I will take a look to see if there is a driver for it.   But, that is about as far as I would go.   I don't see a need to buy a better mouse for a 3 day trial.   Also, I have played the game alot more now.  I am getting used to it.   It really only happens if you move the mouse very slowly.   Basically, it only affects aiming at a good distance.   But, compared to a FPS the mouse movement is sub par imo.  BTW the game is running great on the HP Blackbird I am using. 

  • ShoalShoal Member Posts: 1,156

    Innexpensive optical mice often have a hard time tracking on certain surfaces.  And the problem increases over shorter motions.  There is less intervening geometry for it to track, so the cursor 'jumps'.

    You might try finding a piece of paper with a recuring, small, pattern on it and use it for a makeshift mousepad just to see if it helps.

    I have a MS Mouse that used to go nuts when I tried to use it direclty on my 'woodgrain' desktop.  Behaved just as you are describing.  Fine over a long sweep, but would have a very hard time over small motions.

    Bottom line, though, a better mouse will provide better operation.  I can recommend the G5 (NOT the G9; pos).

    Good Luck

  • ecklund11ecklund11 Member UncommonPosts: 12

    Thanks, but like I said before.  This is the only game that I have had any problems with.  So, that tells me right there it isn't the mouse. 

  • MicromegasMicromegas Member Posts: 15
    This is the only game I'm having jerky mouse issues with as well. Rest are smooth as silk.
  • kjfettkjfett Member UncommonPosts: 234

    Originally posted by ecklund11


    Thanks, but like I said before.  This is the only game that I have had any problems with.  So, that tells me right there it isn't the mouse. 

     

    There are video cards that work great with all those other games, but fail to run TR.  If you aren't willing to try to find a fix and instead just insist its the game, well, there really isn't any point in this thread is there?   You are set on it being the game's fault, that you shouldn't have to upgrade the el'cheapo mouse and that is that.  Great.  Sorry you didn't enjoy the game and didn't want to put the effort into making it work for you.

  • FuhyoFuhyo Member Posts: 66

    Originally posted by ecklund11


    Thanks, but like I said before.  This is the only game that I have had any problems with.  So, that tells me right there it isn't the mouse. 
    Sounds more like the mouse with a low DPI.  For a test, I lowered my Habu to 300 DPI and had the same trouble as you described.  Bumped it up to 600 DPI and it was better.  Bumped it again to 1000 DPI and absolutely no troubles but I had to increase the sensativity just a tad.  Bumped it up to 2000 DPI and it's smooth as silk.

    Fuhyo Subotai

  • ecklund11ecklund11 Member UncommonPosts: 12

    I am trying to find a fix...but I am not 100% convinced that the only thing I can do is buy a new mouse.  If it comes down to that, that no I probably won't be running out to buy a mouse.   

    What do you mean about a video card running games great but not TR?  The game does run great on my system.  Could you explain?  Try to sound like an adult in your reply please.  Not sure why you are so negative towards me all of a sudden.   There are a lot of assumptions in your last post.  Let's keep it somewhat "professional" people.

    At any rate, I have some things to try tomorrow.  Will try to keep you posted.

     

    Edit: Interesting test fuhyo.  How come there is such a big difference in TR then in other games?    

  • Rayx0rRayx0r Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 2,902

    I had some severe mouse lag right after release.   I wrote NCsoft and they responded back with

    1. download the latest mouse drivers for your specific mouse
    2. Completely Uninstall all mouse drivers.
    3. reboot
    4. on relog, install the latest mouse drivers you downloaded

    I did this, even though I had no newer mouse drivers.. they were the same.  For some reason it fixed my mouse lag by just removing and re-installing the mouse drivers.

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  • ecklund11ecklund11 Member UncommonPosts: 12

    Had some time this morning to try some things out.  Changing the driver seemed to help a little.  What helps the most is turning down the mouse sensitivity.  I personally like my mouse sensitivity to be way up on the high side.  But, I can live with this for a 3 day trial.  If I get hooked then I will look into a new mouse.  

  • MicromegasMicromegas Member Posts: 15
    The strange thing for me is that my mouse if fine in EVERY other game I play...
  • kjfettkjfett Member UncommonPosts: 234

     

    Originally posted by ecklund11


    I am trying to find a fix...but I am not 100% convinced that the only thing I can do is buy a new mouse.  If it comes down to that, that no I probably won't be running out to buy a mouse.   
    What do you mean about a video card running games great but not TR?  The game does run great on my system.  Could you explain?  Try to sound like an adult in your reply please.  Not sure why you are so negative towards me all of a sudden.   There are a lot of assumptions in your last post.  Let's keep it somewhat "professional" people.
    At any rate, I have some things to try tomorrow.  Will try to keep you posted.
     
    Edit: Interesting test fuhyo.  How come there is such a big difference in TR then in other games?    



    This isn't wow.  What works great in other games...be it a mouse, or a video card as I used in my example, it is very possible that it may not work in TR.  DG designed TR to be on the top end, not to cater to people with old, obsolete, sobsolecent, cheap, rigged, worn out equipment.

     

    "Jason: Though the game has a lock-on feature in combat, it seems like more advanced players and those seeking the utmost control will favor the free-based mouse movement system for aiming. We've seen the game running on a low-end system and the game running on a high-end, and control in regards to aiming is difficult on the low-end side. A big reason for World of Warcraft's success has often come from the fact that the system requirements are fairly low to be able to play it. With that in mind, do you see the requirement specs for the game being perhaps a bit too high to get the more casual player, or going to be an issue in hampering the game or its success in anyway?

    April: I think if we had released a year ago, yes. Now? I don’t know. We have done a ton of optimization to make the game playable at min-spec. There is always the argument that if you want a gazillion players, make the game playable on a 10 year old PC with an integrated video card. There is a huge casual market there, and make no mistake about it, NCsoft is going after that market with some of our upcoming products. [b]Tabula Rasa is not that product[/b]. We put a ton of art effort in making TR look different than other MMOs, especially in the higher levels, and making the game be a visual feast for the senses. So no, it probably won’t run on your 5 year old laptop that's outside our min-spec, but for the segment of the gaming market that seeks out a less ‘cartoon-like’ gaming experience – TR is ready to play."

    Taken from: [url=http://www.mpogd.com/news/?ID=3062]http://www.mpogd.com/news/?ID=3062[/url] 

    You see, TR isn't a game where a rig that plays all the other games okay will just breeze in and play as well.  If they are that way about the rigs and the video cards...do you honestly think the el'cheapo mouse from the dollar bin will stand up to it?  It is very likely that people have rigs that will not have problems with other games, but will have problems playing TR. They know that.  TR may just not be the product for you.  For those of us that have no problems dropping $150-$200 for a video card or $30+ for a mouse, it's right up our alley.

  • MicromegasMicromegas Member Posts: 15
    I don't think "dollar bin" mice are the issue here. The game seems highly under-optimized and buggy, especially the lighting. After playing more, I think the jerky mouse problems do indeed stem more from graphics lag than lack of mouse smoothing, which is a shame.

    This game is already a niche title with a pretty low population relative to launch, which is also a shame. They should have aimed a little lower in their specs to get more people playing because I think most people will hit the trial and call this for the graphics sloth that it is.

    (I'm on Alienware btw, and I still have jerky play. All other modern games, incl. Hellgate on highest run great.)
  • cmgangrelcmgangrel Member UncommonPosts: 152

    its interesting in terms of specs, as i know people with 3 year old PC's that can play the game.

  • sadnebulasadnebula Member UncommonPosts: 263

    wife plays on a dell 8300, i think I have a 6 series  video card in there, 3 gig.  mine is a self built core 2 quad, 3 gig,  8800 gt, both use razor mice,  no problems  with mouse stutter.   nor frame rates, course the 6 series won't get it off low settings, I run high.  also runs ok  on her laptop.

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