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Dueling?
Volgrim
Member Posts: 8
Will this game have good old fashioned one-on-one dueling?
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I recall an interview saying there will be no fighing your own race(and faction i assume)...it was said specificly in responce to the "will there be dueling?" question i believe.
Anyway, that was a while ago....they may have changed "it" since then or they may still change it. only time will tell i guess
Please let there be NO dueling. I would really rather avoid having duels challenged to me every other step through a city.
Of course, you also have the problem in this case that classes are NOT balanced to one another but rather to the overall team. There are classes that will lose in one on one battles against certain other classes 9 out of 10 times. If dueling is in the game people will start complaining about this which will lead us down the WoW road of the devs always trying to keep every class perfectly balanced against every other class - a practice which is ultimately fruitless and annoying.
They should do duels like we did in DAOC back in the day.. Get together with the opposing side (bulletin boards, forums, whatever.) Meet out in the frontier area, go at it one on one, point at who you want to fight and go duke it out.
Granted, eventually some group not participating will come by and roll you, but it's all good fun.
D.
Honestly I never got into dueling. In a PvP game, If I wanted a fight, I fought the enemy.
Torrential
Torrential: DAOC (Pendragon)
Awned: World of Warcraft (Lothar)
Torren: Warhammer Online (Praag)
Dueling isn't all bad. It's a good way to practice your skills for the real deal. We use to require our pvp group for the guild to do it every so often to keep their skills sharp, or test out new abilities after a patch, etc.
D.
Wether dueling is good or bad , does fully depend on game design! For dueling to be meaningsfull the game does have to have some balanced 1vs1 mechanics. The more rock, sissor, paper WAR have the less duels will be a required feature. I for sure will prefer some kind of training arena where teams goes up against each other instead!
yes i remeber reading or hearing that there was gonner be dueling..... Takes me back to WoW where you couldnt walk more than 2 steps in the crowded areas without some dickhead wanting to duel you. Maybe there be an option were you could set your charater to automaticly refuse dueling without it appearing on your screen.
Dueling is not a good system to see who is better, because the only tactic you can have is running and pushing the correct button on time.
I got an other question: Will there be GvG (Guild vs. Guild)? Where you get point if you win and lose points if you lose. I'm really into GvG combat, because it's hard to get at the top. Somebody knows if they have that?
Dueling is great!
It is consenual, it allows you to practice your PvP play and it gives people something to do/watch while they are waiting for their group to arrive at a given destination.
For those of you who get all uncomfortable because someone is challenging you to a duel, well I can't help you. That's an emotional issue of sorts. You are probably going to have a really hard time when the 12 year old stomps you on the battle field, dances on your corpse and tells you to go back to Dig Dug.
Someone already suggested an auto-no-dueling option. I'm all for that. They also don't need to have dueling available everywhere. Turn it off in cities or other various places of common congregation.
I'm going to be po'd if a PvP/RvR doen't allow you to duke it out with your buddies. I mean what's more Orc like than a good brawl? Hell they even had that in the Warhammer table top rules. If the Orcs weren't fighting an enemy there was a chance they would start brawling each other.
Oh, they should also have cage matches in the various bars/pubs. It would be excellent to have barroom gambling on cage duels.
Dueling is natural, dueling is fun, dueling is best when it's one-on-one.
QFT
WAR devs would be overwhelmed by e-mails from the "six year old" crowd crying about how the support class they rolled keeps loosing duels to the melee DPS class...NO SH!T YOU KEEP LOOSING, your a support class first of all and your dueling a high DPS melee class with a decent amount of armor.
Correct me if I'm wrong but WAR is RvR based, and every class among every race has different abilities. Assuming all of this is true, dueling is a moot point since anybody you dueled would have different abilities from the actual players you are supposed to KILL! Down with dueling!
I have to agree with Nate on this one and the other people here. Everyone on my server "Seradon" know that was one of my things I liked to do "to duel".
And I love one on one player dynamics in a game but, I have to agree if a person wants to "practice" their moves or do GvG and the such go to the battlefield and do it against your perspective enemy.
If a person had told me in Warhammer "let's duel so I could practice" I would think they were a die hard newb based on the fact you have from t1-t4 to do so against your opponent.
Will you hear the ever so comment of "I'm bored, let's dual" from the idiots that refuse to log off the server and go back to reality "yes" does that mean there should be a bout against a Dark Elf uber sorcerer vs a Black Guard in the open "by no means".
And as one poster said there will be some classes in the game that will purely dominate others due to the strength and weakness dynamic between classes.
I have to question the poster of this thread's intent really because, as I have seen in so many games that host the duel dynamic between same faction/same sides it's pretty much a "e-peen stroking contest" between two players in which the loser always says "my class sucks and your class is overpowered against yada..yada..yada".
Although, I wouldn't mind seeing it in the game, it's not a necessary evil and I wouldn't have a temper tantrum about it and as I said before there are other games that host this dynamic if that's what you are looking for specifically.
Is there really a "six year old crowd?" Who would let their six year old play one of these games?
Anyway, this thread smacks of carebearness. If you don't want to duel the DON"T! It's as simple as that. If someone asks you to cyber you don't have to do that either.
I'm going to play either AoC or WAR. I haven't decided yet. If one has dueling and one doesn't then that makes my decision easy.
No one ever said that the game should be balanced for dueling, and no one said the devs have to listen to the six year old contingent /shudder. Throw something on the main page about how the game isn't balanced for dueling and be done with it.
As far as dueling not having a purpose, or that there is no skill involved, get real. It's fun! That's enough of a purpose. It also allows you to practice your PvP skills. I've played these mmorpgs for I don't know how long. Dueling has, and always will be, a good way to hone your PvP skills.
"My intent" Nergle was to find out if there was or is dueling in WAR.
No need for epeening talk or whatever you kids call it these days.
Some of us like dueling and I will reiterate that dueling is a good way to practice. Get a few friends together and you can work out a lot of timing issues, and power vs. power questions, much easier than on the battlefield.
Meh, I really don't care if they put it in or not to be honest. I plan on spending my time killing the enemy anyways so that's where I'll get my practice.
It is my experience and I am bringing up DAoC, WOW and SWG because these are the games I have seen this in. Where you have people dueling for hours on end and doing nothing else in the newby area just to show off to the new players.
I don't know, I'm kinda torn between the two decisions here, I would actually have to be in the game to see how things work first. On a note they could put in practice dummies like GW did since this game is balanced for PvP in order to test out a teplate or certain skills, just a suggestion.
Have you ever played a team sport Sornin? You don't get better at basketball or football by just playing basketball or football. You break down the different aspects of the game into repetative tasks. The same can, and does, apply to group PvP games.
Oh yeah I forgot WAR is RvR not PvP <<semantics>>
Volgrim, I didn't mean it as a flame or anything but that is what it's called when a person duels or fights another player class they know they will win against 9-10 no matter what template or gear they use.
I've seen people do this on a constant basis in WOW almost everyday and after several duels those same people who have lost will put up the LOLZ warriors suck post or the LOLZ Hunters are overpowered post and it gets down right irritating "kinda like all these War should have steallth posts".
I'm thinking there are a whole host of other options to dueling in the game and being that I am a lore monger for this game could list them for you but same faction dueling is a grey area with me "why not make it a FFA then".
Dueling really does not affect the game much so either way I cant see why anyone would care.
I'd rather keep duels out of WAR.
It's not as if they'll even be "practice", since you won't be facing the classes you could duel on the battlefield.
Warhammer is going to be a magnificent RvR game.
Why do you need dueling?
RvR will be centered around working as a group, much like DAoC.
Your not Rambo.
You have to be narrowed in your MMO game view to insist on that option to duel are always good ! If they are basicly like rolling a dice , they add nothing to a skillbased game, if they are a garanti win for one class , due game design, then the add nothing. If nobody can kill eachother duels are outright stupid !if nobody want to duel because there is much more fun things to do, then its a basicly unneeded feature!
All valid reasons to argue upon if duels are a needed feature !
All I see is "I don't want to see duels because *I* don't like them!" - So click 'Decline Duel'?
It's an option, if it's there people who want to duel can duel, and those that don't want to don't have to... what's the argument against it then? Kids complaining about certain classes? That's going to happen regardless of whether a duel system is implemented or not, and it's really no one's problem but the person whining about it - it's not going to affect you, is it?
I'm not the biggest fan of dueling, but if some people like to duel with friends I can't think of a single unselfish reason not to let them.
-iCeh
I agree iCeh, I was never too heavy into dueling, it was a fun thing to pass the time every now and then, but the intelligent folks know you can't take a duel literally. At least not in the context of a game that is never based around an even fight.
I enjoyed duels for several reasons, and wish to see them in WAR as well. First I liked to test some of my abilities out, it wasn't often you could find good mobs to practice things on. And my second reason was, as stated above, to kill time. Several of my guild members liked to duel (liked to lose
) so we'd duel before raids every now and then, having some harmless fun.
I'll agree though, it can be annoying to have every Joe Gamer thinking they're l33t because they have a spec with as many instant casts as possible to blow in a duel, but most of the time they're hanging around with other Jim Gamers to occupy their time. Making the annoying duel challenges while you're busy, a minor nuisance.
I play a rogue, we don't duel, we kill... Ops! No rogues in WAR? Sorry!
I feel the main mistake in the arguments of pro-duelling people is that they approach duelling as a feature that should be in every MMORPG, and thus take its presence as a given. This is a dangerous assumption to make, especially when developers feel the same way and go down the path of "feature creep".
A savvy developer has to know what their focus is and what features should be in the game, and then know to cut the rest before the temptation to add additional systems compromises the product's integrity.
WAR's focus is not at all 1v1 PvP, nor is it intra-realm warfare. Its focus is large-scale inter-realm warfare, something duelling is not related to and actually runs counter to. Therefore, the addition of duelling adds nothing to their focus and is an unnecessary feature, one I feel may actually detract from the game.
If we keep looking to past MMORPGs as design documents and merely copy their features for the sake of tradition, we will never break the paradigm that has the genre in such a rut now.
All that being said, I am willing to bet duelling will be in because EA Mythic will buckle to vocal pressure. However, I maintain it is not a good fit and will be more trouble than it is worth. I'd rather developer time be spent elsewhere and not have to deal with tweaks based upon duelling due to whining.