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Windows Vista 64 bit and the new DX10 games
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hey all i am building a new computer to play the new DX 10 games such as Age of Conan and Warhammer and i have had 64 bit Windows Vsta Ultimate installed. will these games play on it?
god i hope i didnt overshoot the game technology on these games. the computer shop told me that alot of games out now do not support 64bit.
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I use XP Professional, have Business Vista but did not install it on my system.
From what I hear, Vista is junk and a lot of people will downgrade back to XP.
Perhaps in a few years I will get Vista.
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WoW and fast food = commercial successes.
I neither play WoW nor eat fast food.
To play Age of conan in DX10 you need to have Vista, it can also be played in DX9 on XP. Warhammer isn't DX10 and can be played on XP or Vista, it works fine on Vista.
You are correct in saying thta most games do not support 64bit. However, pretty much all games will play on vista 64 as long as you run them in XP Compat mode. I've yet to find a game that i cannot run by either doing this or downloading a patch from the games site.
What is the point of buying VISTA?
It is an 1) energy hog and 2) overpriced.
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WoW and fast food = commercial successes.
I neither play WoW nor eat fast food.
i have vista 32bit no need for 64bit yet, but i play alot of games like lord of the ring online and if you make the computers with a good duel core cpu and a 8800 gt or a ati that has full support for dx10 the dx10 graphics are better, so far in lotr the dx10 shadow and light effect is 100x better the water is smother make it fell like real water, and yes vista does want alot of power more then xp so at least 2gig of ram ddr2 800 speed i use a intill 2.33 gig duel core with a fast fsb and the 8800 gt card and can run most games at max res and graphics setting, aoc so far from the videos i have seen, it reaminds me alot of lotr as far as graphic detail and style goes wount know till the game comes out or beta. but i say get vista, and update it fast they have fixed alot of the bugs, and more with sp1 coming out of course people forget how bad xp was when it came it so maney years ago.
Windows Vista and DX10 are the future and theres no way to avoid that. Most games are still based on DX9 tho and for those Windows XP will run smoother. But the tendency is the DX10 and games like AoC and most upcoming releases will run better on Windows Vista due to DX10 support. With the proper hardware of course because Vista demands it, and that means fast processor, a lot of RAM and powerfull video card with DX10 support.
DX10 is useless. So is a 64 bit system. There is barely any difference between DX10 and DX9. In fact most developers don't even want to develop with it because of that fact. Microsoft has a hard time trying to convince any developers to use it.
Dont know about DX10 but I had vista64 installed for a month and it was terrible. Buggy,glitchy not-ready-for-consumers, mess. I breathed a sigh of relief when I switched back to xp64. And I will recommend to anyone to leave vista64 alone for however long it takes for them to pull it together.
Thanks all for your replies. I was worried a little bit when the computer shop told me alot of games are not compatable...I think they were just covering their arses because I told them I was building it to play video games on.
Yes I want DX10 thats why im choosing to upgrade to Vista and im also hoping when they get the SP1 out alot of vistas problems will be fixed. I am choosing vista for its potential in the future even though it may not be much better than xp now.
Also I think I will have the system to handle it quite nicely.
here are my specs:
Q6600 intel processor
Gigabyte x38-DQ6 mobo
4 gig Hynux (Korean equivalent of Crucial) heatsink DDR 2 800 ram
Nvidia 8800GT 512mb video card
500g Seagate 7200 rpm HD
650 watt power supply
Windows Vista Ultimate 64 bit edition
While not the best (Dang the best stuff is like double price) I think this system is pretty close to top of the line...at least i hope it is heh.
I am also thinking of overclocking the ram and processor a little bit (but not too much)
I read on Tom's Hardware that the Q6600 and the DDR2 ram with the heatsink coupled with the Gigabyte mobo is a very good setup to overclock on.
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Get Vista 32 bit. Not 64 bit. That's what I have. You can always upgrade to 64 bit later on.
the fact that xp will be supported longer than vista by m$ should tell you everything...
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I have a pretty serious gaming rig and I am running Vista Home pro or deluxe whatever it is. With DX10 and the difference in the details and performance is astounding. Vista tends to make you work a little harder to get some games installed. But that doesn't bother me too much. So far the harderst thing I have had to do with my pc is get it to recognize 4 gigs of ram. Had to flash the bios and tweak the core speeds. No big deal with the asus bios utilities. Scarriest bit of that is im running raid 0 and when I tried to load it told me no OS was found. Thought I had lost everything. Luckily all that happened is the bios reset and I had to reconfigure my raid settings before it could reboot.
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I agree vista is still messy and bugged but i think wont take long for it to get stable. What i think is gonna take long is to take real advantage using it, windows xp still runs better in most situations.
I've yet to try any game I couldn't get working on my Windows Vista 64b install. This was enough for me that I removed XP completely.
I've become a fan of Vista. And I see no purpose of going back to the ricketty old XP, which has more band aids then you could comprehend really.
I'm also enjoying my memory support that comes with 64b. XP has some very poorly written DLLs that are still used that can't use more then 2G of memory, so even though XP will recognise up to 4, the majority of applications won't get past that DLL dependency, and you'll be wasting memory.
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You'll be able to handle Vista. I think you can dual boot between XP and Vista at this time, so don't be shy in buying a copy of XP OEM for about 129 USD, it will save you headaches down the road if there happens to be problems due to driver conflicts on Vista.
1. Do you know whether Business Vista 32-bit supports DX 10?
2. Does Business Vista 32-bit support 4gig of ram?
Thanks. I ask because you seem knowledgeable. I tried to research the above questions but I could not obtain straight answers.
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WoW and fast food = commercial successes.
I neither play WoW nor eat fast food.
1) No clue, I would check the Vanguard SOE forums.
2) No, 32 bit addressing can only support 3 gigs, and with the 'high mem' patch on the 32 bit versions of XP have shown instability for addressing memory higher than 3 gigs. That's why I suggest dual booting between two 64 bit versions of Windows (XP and Vista).
1. Do you know whether Business Vista 32-bit supports DX 10?
2. Does Business Vista 32-bit support 4gig of ram?
Thanks. I ask because you seem knowledgeable. I tried to research the above questions but I could not obtain straight answers.
All versions of Vista support DX10. It's the native API of Vista, though that does mean all versions of Vista need to emulate DX9 in games that only run in DX9, which is where some of the performance hitches come in. Since you're building a new system, though, it shouldn't be much of an issue. I think I'd still go with the 64-bit for future-proofing. Since you're getting new hardware, you'll be getting things that are 64-bit compatible, so there shouldn't be any driver conflicts.
Vista is getting better. However, I hope you don't copy over your network much.
http://gizmodo.com/337768/battlemodo-windows-vista-service-pack-1-rc1-vs-shipping-vista
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1. Do you know whether Business Vista 32-bit supports DX 10?
2. Does Business Vista 32-bit support 4gig of ram?
Thanks. I ask because you seem knowledgeable. I tried to research the above questions but I could not obtain straight answers.
All versions of Vista support DX10. It's the native API of Vista, though that does mean all versions of Vista need to emulate DX9 in games that only run in DX9, which is where some of the performance hitches come in. Since you're building a new system, though, it shouldn't be much of an issue. I think I'd still go with the 64-bit for future-proofing. Since you're getting new hardware, you'll be getting things that are 64-bit compatible, so there shouldn't be any driver conflicts.
I do know that the Business Vista does not have a multimedia center on it. I know because they originally installed it on my computer...but I bought a very high end GMC multimedia case with the graphics equilizer and remote control jobbie and lights and all, (it looks like a freakin stereo system..sweet!) and they had problems with it...Then we realized that the case and all the bells and whistles wouldnt work correctly without the media center so I had to upgrade to the Ultimate (because I really dont want the home version).
Also my computer is all 64 bit and everything from the case to the LCD has Vista stamped on it..So I am praying I dont have the same problems as other people claim. I really think that alot of the problems people have with Vista is that they are installing it on computers that have hardware that is not up to spec for Vista. My computer is built from the ground up for Vista so Im keeping my fingers crossed.
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Exactly. The future is Windows 7. Vista has been pretty much declared the new Windows ME that most will just skip right over. With SP3 for XP doing such great things performance wise and Microsoft kicking up development on Windows 7 for what some believe is now going to be a 2009 release not much reason left to leave XP. You can always do like many of us and simply dual boot. I boot into vista ultimate when I just want to see some DX10 effects like in Crysis or World in Conflict. Though I still wind up booting back into XP since I get better SLI performance out of XP than Vista.
Okay im not a complete noob (well maybe I am) but I have never heard of this dual booting being mentioned. Can someone explain exactly how this is done? I am guessing you have to partition the drive and intstall the xp/vista on different drives. But exactly how would one go about "dual booting" them?
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To answer your question about Vista 64bit working with games. I have had probably every version of windows installed on my current computer from XP 32 up, legitly. I my system is not the best in the world but as far as I am concerned it is the minimum to run Vista 32 or 64. Here it is...
Intel E6300
2Gig Memory
Nvidia 7950GT
I have finally decided on keeping Vista Ultimate x64 installed on my machine. It runs everything I want to play. I have had no issues as of the last 3 months finding drivers for anything, and the system is rock solid. I guess the only problem I have had in the last while with games would be with command and conqour 3. I install it but the icons don't show up anywhere and you can't run it from the executable, however if you download the latest patch and install it, then run the executable it works no problem.
I still play Counter Strike, CS:Source, HL 2, C&C3, WOW, EVE, The last 3 NFS games, Sims 2, NHL 07. I used to have problems with a few programs but those are cleared up, Incredimail was a bad one but it is fixed now.
I hate to say it but I won't ever go back to XP, and I am not even using DX10 yet. My system runs for me perfectly, and if anyone was to buy a computer with vista for the last year I would always use my machine as the template and say, "if you are not getting at least these specs, wait till it is available, don't buy a machine with Vista" It wasn't untill about September computers in big box stores started running Vista at an acceptable rate in my opinion. Working in Best Buy part time last year durning the Vista release made me realize Microshafts biggest problem was they released it to early, by about 6 months. But what do you expect from them, they had to offset there losses in there videogame division, xbox - xbox 36, with gains somewhere else so investors don't get grumpy.
My opinion your machine will rock, if you want to know for sure go to Toms hardware page and look at the games you play, then match them up with there test results on video cards. Then look at there system test specs, if your system is technically better then what they setup, and you can live with the Framerates they show with there system you will be quite happy with yours.
just my 2cents
I find it astonishing that people are still willing to hand over their hard earned crust over to a convicted monopolist every time they decide you need to upgrade your operating system.
Microsoft could easily have make DX10 a separate download for XP but no, you have to pay an extortionate amount for their 'new and improved' Vista, which is for all intents and purposes, a downgrade from XP.
And besides, those who say that DX10 is a huge improvement over DX9 are deluding themselves, they're probably just seeing the improvements from the new video card they bought at the same time.
It's time to break the habit people, how many years are you all going to carry on being taken for a ride like this? You can talk about dual-booting XP and Vista, what people really should be doing is dual-booting XP and Linux with a view to breaking the Microsoft habit. The list of Windows programs (including many MMOs) that run flawlessly in Linux is growing by the day.
I ran Linux for a long time. Maybe 4 years. And I would probably still run it if I did not have so many driver issues when I ugraded my computer time before last. When I upgraded xp was about a year old. And everything game out there worth playing at the time ran great on it. I have been thinking about reinstalling it recently but not sure if I have the time to do the things I would want to do with it. Whenever I run it I get addicted to modding my desktop.
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Each game should work with no problem on VISTA 64. I got a system with VISTA 64 and it's played almost everything I've thrown at it save my Oblivion add-on packs and that had to do with a installer issue and effected 32 bit VISTA systems as well. As you are building a new system a 64 bit OS is a much better choice in the long term then a 32 bit OS IMHO. Whether you should get VISTA or not is up to you. IMHO Windows XP 64 would work just as well.