I am just going to assume you know nothing of Dark Age of Camelot. It would explain a bit of your ignorance. Long ago instead of server merging they resorted to server clustering. There is 4(or 5?) clusters total. The classic server cluster consists of 3 servers and these 3 servers combined usually have 2-3 times the population of the non-classic clusters that consist of 6 servers. Ok, lets put this another way. The 3 classic servers combined have nearly as much population as the 20 non classic servers combined. Now, this is not a newness factor. These classic servers have been around for years (basically since the 2nd or 3rd expansion which screwed the game). These classic servers brought back old players to the game. These classic servers hold a significant population of the daoc playerbase.
1. I played DAoC for a few months at launch, but quit fairly quickly. But I am familiar with the game.
2. The server clusters you're talking about sound like they took the already existing servers that they were using and split them up into different rulesets. And they added a few newer servers for the existing game. That is not the same as what I'm talking about at all.
Now please tell me why this would be overly expensive and so ridiculous to have a classic server? This is a fire and forget moneymaker. They just need to make it progress from old world to velious like the old eq did. A very slow pace.
I just dont see where this "money and resources" would have to come from. They merged servers already and probably should again.
Do you honestly believe that the only thing involved in bringing up a game server is turning it on and forgetting about it? That explains a lot.
For SOE to offer up a "Classic EQ" server, they'd have to bring up a new server with a separate and quite frankly outdated client. They'd have to hire GM's to oversee the game on that server to police the players. They'd have to hire someone to maintain the server so if it crashes, or needs to be restarted, or needs to be maintained, there will be someone to do it.
This server wouldn't exist in a vacuum. It would cost them money in terms of the salaries for the people hired to babysit it, and for the server techs needed to run it. Those expenses need to be justified to someone else. A small group of players drowning in nostalgia and chasing after their first kiss again aren't enough for that justification. They would have to show actual profitability before a server like that would be brought online.
Also, at this point, the EQ client is likely merged into one big monolith among all the expansions, just judging by the fact that that's how they sell the game in the stores. You think they just have the old code sitting around in storage somewhere? Pfft. By now, it's all the same code, just given how much work they've put into EQ since Velious. I doubt they'd be all that inclined to even try to dig out just those clients and nothing more. Why would they go back to the past like that? Better to just keep looking forward.
If you want Classic EQ so badly, uninstall the current game from your hard drive, find your old disks, and just install the expansions you want then ignore the rest. Problem solved.
I am just going to assume you know nothing of Dark Age of Camelot. It would explain a bit of your ignorance. Long ago instead of server merging they resorted to server clustering. There is 4(or 5?) clusters total. The classic server cluster consists of 3 servers and these 3 servers combined usually have 2-3 times the population of the non-classic clusters that consist of 6 servers. Ok, lets put this another way. The 3 classic servers combined have nearly as much population as the 20 non classic servers combined. Now, this is not a newness factor. These classic servers have been around for years (basically since the 2nd or 3rd expansion which screwed the game). These classic servers brought back old players to the game. These classic servers hold a significant population of the daoc playerbase.
1. I played DAoC for a few months at launch, but quit fairly quickly. But I am familiar with the game.
2. The server clusters you're talking about sound like they took the already existing servers that they were using and split them up into different rulesets. And they added a few newer servers for the existing game. That is not the same as what I'm talking about at all.
Now please tell me why this would be overly expensive and so ridiculous to have a classic server? This is a fire and forget moneymaker. They just need to make it progress from old world to velious like the old eq did. A very slow pace.
I just dont see where this "money and resources" would have to come from. They merged servers already and probably should again.
Do you honestly believe that the only thing involved in bringing up a game server is turning it on and forgetting about it? That explains a lot.
For SOE to offer up a "Classic EQ" server, they'd have to bring up a new server with a separate and quite frankly outdated client. They'd have to hire GM's to oversee the game on that server to police the players. They'd have to hire someone to maintain the server so if it crashes, or needs to be restarted, or needs to be maintained, there will be someone to do it.
This server wouldn't exist in a vacuum. It would cost them money in terms of the salaries for the people hired to babysit it, and for the server techs needed to run it. Those expenses need to be justified to someone else. A small group of players drowning in nostalgia and chasing after their first kiss again aren't enough for that justification. They would have to show actual profitability before a server like that would be brought online.
Also, at this point, the EQ client is likely merged into one big monolith among all the expansions, just judging by the fact that that's how they sell the game in the stores. You think they just have the old code sitting around in storage somewhere? Pfft. By now, it's all the same code, just given how much work they've put into EQ since Velious. I doubt they'd be all that inclined to even try to dig out just those clients and nothing more. Why would they go back to the past like that? Better to just keep looking forward.
If you want Classic EQ so badly, uninstall the current game from your hard drive, find your old disks, and just install the expansions you want then ignore the rest. Problem solved.
I feel the original trilogy was a 100x a better game than the garbage it is today. There is a certain URL that I will not mention by name that currently has 10,000 people visiting it everyday in support of EQ classic and if it was more well known I bet it would equal the population of the authentic EQ forums.
"If you want Classic EQ so badly, uninstall the current game from your hard drive, find your old disks, and just install the expansions you want then ignore the rest. Problem solved." I don't just install a garbage game and run around and pretend I don't see the garbage. What about the crappy revamps of old zones? Or how the Bazaar effects trading? How about retarded cats on a moon, or the ridiculous PoK floating somewhere you get to by clicking on books in the woods, All races in a big happy floating plane ... I play a game for the whole experience of it being a well crafted game, EQ is a pile of mixed up garbage now that was poorly poorly put together.
Anyhow even if someone was to run around and pretend being in their own little world on the crap that EQ is today, xp rate gain is too fast now, game mechanics have been changed, and fundamental class changes have been made.
Originally posted by qombi I feel the original trilogy was a 100x a better game than the garbage it is today. There is a certain URL that I will not mention by name that currently has 10,000 people visiting it everyday in support of EQ classic and if it was more well known I bet it would equal the population of the authentic EQ forums.
So go play that game instead. If you hate the official EQ so much, why would you ever be inclined to give any money to the same developer you despise and who you believe ruined the game? That's absurd.
Anyhow even if someone was to run around and pretend being in their own little world on the crap that EQ is today, xp rate gain is too fast now, game mechanics have been changed, and fundamental class changes have been made.
Which is precisely why a Classic server will never happen. The game has changed so much in the intervening years since Velious that expecting SOE to suddenly erase 7+ years of code is a fool's dream.
If they haven't done a Classic server by now, after years of people asking for something like it, they're not going to do one at all. It's probably best to just move on and find a different game than to keep chasing the Classic server windmill.
i would love a classic server....but the reason soe dont make a new server is cos its probably not worth investing in....90% of the people will be playing it will already have the station pass or are already paying eq memebrs......only 10% of the people will be new paying members....therfore its not worth the investment....
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1. I played DAoC for a few months at launch, but quit fairly quickly. But I am familiar with the game.
2. The server clusters you're talking about sound like they took the already existing servers that they were using and split them up into different rulesets. And they added a few newer servers for the existing game. That is not the same as what I'm talking about at all.
Do you honestly believe that the only thing involved in bringing up a game server is turning it on and forgetting about it? That explains a lot.
For SOE to offer up a "Classic EQ" server, they'd have to bring up a new server with a separate and quite frankly outdated client. They'd have to hire GM's to oversee the game on that server to police the players. They'd have to hire someone to maintain the server so if it crashes, or needs to be restarted, or needs to be maintained, there will be someone to do it.
This server wouldn't exist in a vacuum. It would cost them money in terms of the salaries for the people hired to babysit it, and for the server techs needed to run it. Those expenses need to be justified to someone else. A small group of players drowning in nostalgia and chasing after their first kiss again aren't enough for that justification. They would have to show actual profitability before a server like that would be brought online.
Also, at this point, the EQ client is likely merged into one big monolith among all the expansions, just judging by the fact that that's how they sell the game in the stores. You think they just have the old code sitting around in storage somewhere? Pfft. By now, it's all the same code, just given how much work they've put into EQ since Velious. I doubt they'd be all that inclined to even try to dig out just those clients and nothing more. Why would they go back to the past like that? Better to just keep looking forward.
If you want Classic EQ so badly, uninstall the current game from your hard drive, find your old disks, and just install the expansions you want then ignore the rest. Problem solved.
Classic Servers, and Listening to the Player Base: Two things SOE is not exactly famous for
I played both games on their classic servers at launch -- DAOC and EQ
DAOC classic servers were introduced 2.5 years ago - after the Catacombs expansion
(I had returned to DAOC before it was announced)
DAOC servers are classic because the raid expansion, Trials of Atlantis, is -not- on them
www.camelotherald.com/more/2048.shtml
DAOC classic servers were a big hit,
it was originally only going to be 2 servers but they opened up a 3rd classic server
SOE Progression server, from 18 months ago, was also popular at launch,
enough to add a 2nd classic server (which later was combined)
Unlike DAOC classic servers,
EQ Progression server eventually makes all expansions available
which kind of defeats it being a classic server
Classic servers are popular at launch,
the trick is -- how to get most people to keep playing months later
if SOE does another classic server, I would happily play on it
-- the 1st month on the old classic server was a blast
EQ2 fan sites
1. I played DAoC for a few months at launch, but quit fairly quickly. But I am familiar with the game.
2. The server clusters you're talking about sound like they took the already existing servers that they were using and split them up into different rulesets. And they added a few newer servers for the existing game. That is not the same as what I'm talking about at all.
Do you honestly believe that the only thing involved in bringing up a game server is turning it on and forgetting about it? That explains a lot.
For SOE to offer up a "Classic EQ" server, they'd have to bring up a new server with a separate and quite frankly outdated client. They'd have to hire GM's to oversee the game on that server to police the players. They'd have to hire someone to maintain the server so if it crashes, or needs to be restarted, or needs to be maintained, there will be someone to do it.
This server wouldn't exist in a vacuum. It would cost them money in terms of the salaries for the people hired to babysit it, and for the server techs needed to run it. Those expenses need to be justified to someone else. A small group of players drowning in nostalgia and chasing after their first kiss again aren't enough for that justification. They would have to show actual profitability before a server like that would be brought online.
Also, at this point, the EQ client is likely merged into one big monolith among all the expansions, just judging by the fact that that's how they sell the game in the stores. You think they just have the old code sitting around in storage somewhere? Pfft. By now, it's all the same code, just given how much work they've put into EQ since Velious. I doubt they'd be all that inclined to even try to dig out just those clients and nothing more. Why would they go back to the past like that? Better to just keep looking forward.
If you want Classic EQ so badly, uninstall the current game from your hard drive, find your old disks, and just install the expansions you want then ignore the rest. Problem solved.
I feel the original trilogy was a 100x a better game than the garbage it is today. There is a certain URL that I will not mention by name that currently has 10,000 people visiting it everyday in support of EQ classic and if it was more well known I bet it would equal the population of the authentic EQ forums.
"If you want Classic EQ so badly, uninstall the current game from your hard drive, find your old disks, and just install the expansions you want then ignore the rest. Problem solved." I don't just install a garbage game and run around and pretend I don't see the garbage. What about the crappy revamps of old zones? Or how the Bazaar effects trading? How about retarded cats on a moon, or the ridiculous PoK floating somewhere you get to by clicking on books in the woods, All races in a big happy floating plane ... I play a game for the whole experience of it being a well crafted game, EQ is a pile of mixed up garbage now that was poorly poorly put together.
Anyhow even if someone was to run around and pretend being in their own little world on the crap that EQ is today, xp rate gain is too fast now, game mechanics have been changed, and fundamental class changes have been made.
So go play that game instead. If you hate the official EQ so much, why would you ever be inclined to give any money to the same developer you despise and who you believe ruined the game? That's absurd.
Which is precisely why a Classic server will never happen. The game has changed so much in the intervening years since Velious that expecting SOE to suddenly erase 7+ years of code is a fool's dream.
If they haven't done a Classic server by now, after years of people asking for something like it, they're not going to do one at all. It's probably best to just move on and find a different game than to keep chasing the Classic server windmill.
i would love a classic server....but the reason soe dont make a new server is cos its probably not worth investing in....90% of the people will be playing it will already have the station pass or are already paying eq memebrs......only 10% of the people will be new paying members....therfore its not worth the investment....