I think she walked into her office - just like Faye Dunaway in Network - and said, 'I'm new here. I see things with a fresh eye. What I see is World of Warcraft with four million subscribers while our SWG has only a quarter of a million. I want you gutless basement virginboi programmers to turn round this sack of crap immediately by making it more like WoW. I don't care how you do it or whose butts you have to step on, just do it. We launch in, hmmmm, November 2005. You got six months. get on with it'. ...And all the tubby SOE developers quailed in delicious fear before this woman who half-reminded them of their mom and half of 'Stiffler's Mom' and went off and did her bidding.
Finch where the hell you was by then ? why don't you took care of Nancy ?
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- $OE - eternal enemy of online gaming -We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
It wasn't never us the vets unwillingly to communicate and still today many of us would turn back if anyone of them listen and turn on classic server. But numbness, arrogance, bossy people at $OE make a communication impossible. What are $OE attempts to get us back ,anyone remember these cummunication manager this Greypoon ? "i reach you cynic dissidents my hand for to comeback to the nge server " anyone. Personally i /spit at such given hand because i have the right to ask for more and if we consider the progress in last 2,5 years meanwhile i deserve much much more ....
When it's only a few people, you can call them dissidents
When it's the majority of the population, I think you'd better consider it a revolt, and act accordingly.
And for the record: I have ALWAYS held LA as much accountable for the CU/NGE debacle as SOE, THEY were the one who signed off on all that crap.
Linna
The difference between SOE and LA is that SOE - while a division of a division of a division - is ultimately accountable to shareholders so focusing on its underperformance may actually eventually bring about change whereas LA is a company wholly owned by George Lucas who wouldn't admit he was wrong if he jumped off a forty-story building onto wet concrete while insisting he had Sith lord flying powers.
Frankly, I'm not even sure LA didn't INSTIGATE it all, ordering the changes. The whole combat revamp versus CU, and then followed by the NGE suggests HUGE outside pressure for me, possibly even involvement of an outside team. The way the Mustafar expansion was partly invalidated by the NGE looks very much like the right hand not knowing what the left hand is up to.
Linna
You know, I think you may be right, I have no evidence - except situational - to accuse, as the real villain behind the NGE...
NANCY MACINTYRE.
Remember her? She was the LA executive who told us that 'there was too muchu reading' and that what we really wanted to do was 'Kill - get treasure - kill'?
She was actually only at Lucas Arts for a limited time but she apparently has a strong, dominant personality and her background is not in game design or programming but in marketing.
She joined LA only in May 2005 as general manager of its Online Gaming Business (and specifically Senior Direrctor for SWG), having come from Atari - a company that specialises in games very different to SWG and played on very different platforms.
I think she walked into her office - just like Faye Dunaway in Network - and said, 'I'm new here. I see things with a fresh eye. What I see is World of Warcraft with four million subscribers while our SWG has only a quarter of a million. I want you gutless basement virginboi programmers to turn round this sack of crap immediately by making it more like WoW. I don't care how you do it or whose butts you have to step on, just do it. We launch in, hmmmm, November 2005. You got six months. get on with it'.
...And all the tubby SOE developers quailed in delicious fear before this woman who half-reminded them of their mom and half of 'Stiffler's Mom' and went off and did her bidding.
In November, the same month as launch, she was promoted to VP Global Sales & Marketing for all of Lucas Arts...
"I can't imagine a more exciting company in the videogame industry to work for right now," said MacIntyre. "LucasArts is hot off what was by far its most successful year ever in 2005, and this new position offers me the welcome challenge of playing an even bigger role in continuing this unprecedented momentum."
...And then in Feb 2007 she becomes Exec. VP at Leapfrog. Was she headhunted by them, I wonder? Or did she have to get out because it was quite obvious, a year and a half later, that the changes she had forced through at SWG had gutted the game, and George wanted her out as quickly as possible without having to be seen to fire one of the few senior female executives in the industry?
You know what? She's in a cushy new job in a new company, and never has and never will face any consequences at all for the NGE. In fact, she's probably sitting in her corner suite right now, sipping cognac froma balloon glass and smiling to herself because she hasn't even thought about the NGE for six months. Soon Pablo, her assistant, will buzz her to inform her that execuive Gulfstream is now ready to whisk her off Montserrat for the weekend. Life is good for Nancy.
The only thing N.M did was insult every gamer on the planet. No doubt she was part of the problem that led to the NGE, but blaming her for the NGE is crazy.
See you in the dream.. The Fires from heaven, now as cold as ice. A rapid ascension tolls a heavy price.
The only thing N.M did was insult every gamer on the planet. No doubt she was part of the problem that led to the NGE, but blaming her for the NGE is crazy.
Well, you may be right - but I am still very, very interested in finding out who, in either SWG or LA, first came up with the idea for the NGE and then pushed it through. I know a lot of people are bear collective responsibility across both companies but it all started in the mind of one person and I am very curious to find out who it was.
The only thing N.M did was insult every gamer on the planet. No doubt she was part of the problem that led to the NGE, but blaming her for the NGE is crazy.
Well, you may be right - but I am still very, very interested in finding out who, in either SWG or LA, first came up with the idea for the NGE and then pushed it through. I know a lot of people are bear collective responsibility across both companies but it all started in the mind of one person and I am very curious to find out who it was.
You never will.
See you in the dream.. The Fires from heaven, now as cold as ice. A rapid ascension tolls a heavy price.
To Antariouis, yes that was what I wonder all those years along. What prevents SoE from bringing up a classic server. DAoC does that. The only thing I can figure out, is that SoE operates with LA's IP, while Mythic has DAOC as its own IP. Unless the SoE leaders are totally nuts who does not care about making money, I would suggest LA be the real thorn against a classic server. Then the circular reason, why would LA not want more money with a classic server? Maybe something else is ... circular again. Can both SoE and LA be nuts? Maybe but not that likely. This will remain a mystery forever I suppose. After all, history is a long story of stupidity of human beings, when viewed from a detached position years later.
sandboxes dont work. Thats what smed said was the one thing he learned from swg. And EQ2 failed in korea because people like to smoke while they play games. Smed.
If he said "sandboxes don't work" hes a bigger fool than i thought. The large number that left during the introduction of the NGE kinda proves that sandboxes were better. Change my skill tree based sandbox into a class based levling crap without consulting us? HELL NO! *cancel*
Sandboxes do work. ITs why EvE is successful and why many of us want pre-cu back.
"Do not fret! Your captain is about to enter Valhalla!" - General Beatrix of Alexandria
"The acquisition of knowledge is of use to the intellect, for nothing can be loved or hated without first being known." - Leo da Vinci
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Finch where the hell you was by then ? why don't you took care of Nancy ?
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE--------------------------------------------------
$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
When it's the majority of the population, I think you'd better consider it a revolt, and act accordingly.
And for the record: I have ALWAYS held LA as much accountable for the CU/NGE debacle as SOE, THEY were the one who signed off on all that crap.
Linna
Frankly, I'm not even sure LA didn't INSTIGATE it all, ordering the changes. The whole combat revamp versus CU, and then followed by the NGE suggests HUGE outside pressure for me, possibly even involvement of an outside team. The way the Mustafar expansion was partly invalidated by the NGE looks very much like the right hand not knowing what the left hand is up to.The difference between SOE and LA is that SOE - while a division of a division of a division - is ultimately accountable to shareholders so focusing on its underperformance may actually eventually bring about change whereas LA is a company wholly owned by George Lucas who wouldn't admit he was wrong if he jumped off a forty-story building onto wet concrete while insisting he had Sith lord flying powers.
Linna
You know, I think you may be right, I have no evidence - except situational - to accuse, as the real villain behind the NGE...NANCY MACINTYRE.
Remember her? She was the LA executive who told us that 'there was too muchu reading' and that what we really wanted to do was 'Kill - get treasure - kill'?
She was actually only at Lucas Arts for a limited time but she apparently has a strong, dominant personality and her background is not in game design or programming but in marketing.
She joined LA only in May 2005 as general manager of its Online Gaming Business (and specifically Senior Direrctor for SWG), having come from Atari - a company that specialises in games very different to SWG and played on very different platforms.
I think she walked into her office - just like Faye Dunaway in Network - and said, 'I'm new here. I see things with a fresh eye. What I see is World of Warcraft with four million subscribers while our SWG has only a quarter of a million. I want you gutless basement virginboi programmers to turn round this sack of crap immediately by making it more like WoW. I don't care how you do it or whose butts you have to step on, just do it. We launch in, hmmmm, November 2005. You got six months. get on with it'.
...And all the tubby SOE developers quailed in delicious fear before this woman who half-reminded them of their mom and half of 'Stiffler's Mom' and went off and did her bidding.
In November, the same month as launch, she was promoted to VP Global Sales & Marketing for all of Lucas Arts...
"I can't imagine a more exciting company in the videogame industry to work for right now," said MacIntyre. "LucasArts is hot off what was by far its most successful year ever in 2005, and this new position offers me the welcome challenge of playing an even bigger role in continuing this unprecedented momentum."
...And then in Feb 2007 she becomes Exec. VP at Leapfrog. Was she headhunted by them, I wonder? Or did she have to get out because it was quite obvious, a year and a half later, that the changes she had forced through at SWG had gutted the game, and George wanted her out as quickly as possible without having to be seen to fire one of the few senior female executives in the industry?
You know what? She's in a cushy new job in a new company, and never has and never will face any consequences at all for the NGE. In fact, she's probably sitting in her corner suite right now, sipping cognac froma balloon glass and smiling to herself because she hasn't even thought about the NGE for six months. Soon Pablo, her assistant, will buzz her to inform her that execuive Gulfstream is now ready to whisk her off Montserrat for the weekend. Life is good for Nancy.
The only thing N.M did was insult every gamer on the planet. No doubt she was part of the problem that led to the NGE, but blaming her for the NGE is crazy.
See you in the dream..
The Fires from heaven, now as cold as ice. A rapid ascension tolls a heavy price.
Well, you may be right - but I am still very, very interested in finding out who, in either SWG or LA, first came up with the idea for the NGE and then pushed it through. I know a lot of people are bear collective responsibility across both companies but it all started in the mind of one person and I am very curious to find out who it was.
Well, you may be right - but I am still very, very interested in finding out who, in either SWG or LA, first came up with the idea for the NGE and then pushed it through. I know a lot of people are bear collective responsibility across both companies but it all started in the mind of one person and I am very curious to find out who it was.
You never will.See you in the dream..
The Fires from heaven, now as cold as ice. A rapid ascension tolls a heavy price.
sandboxes dont work. Thats what smed said was the one thing he learned from swg. And EQ2 failed in korea because people like to smoke while they play games. Smed.
If he said "sandboxes don't work" hes a bigger fool than i thought. The large number that left during the introduction of the NGE kinda proves that sandboxes were better. Change my skill tree based sandbox into a class based levling crap without consulting us? HELL NO! *cancel*
Sandboxes do work. ITs why EvE is successful and why many of us want pre-cu back.
"Do not fret! Your captain is about to enter Valhalla!" - General Beatrix of Alexandria
"The acquisition of knowledge is of use to the intellect, for nothing can be loved or hated without first being known." - Leo da Vinci