Cheaters Beware!

Smartwhois

One great thing about RV is that they seem to have zero tolerence for cheaters.  No matter how small their playerbase, they appear to ban any accounts connected with cheating.  I can't stand games where cheaters are allowed to operate while the devs turn their heads the other way or ignore it as a non-issue.

There's almost no point in playing a game where other players are cheating, and that's a lot of other mmos...

Praise to RB for strictly handling cheating.

philjwill

From past experience ANY player could tell you that this in fact utter bullshit.

Plenty of people have got away with cheating and not been banned, when it was highlighted to the devs.

I've just heard from the lucii that 16 of 17 members were banned, reason? who knows?

Contego

reason is because we got access to a test client and used it for like a week or 2 which by the way is not bannable according to the taco's.

Maurizio

Had RB took into consideration what the entire RV community has asked for in the past which was the ablility to have a client that by passed the patcher which takes way too long for many people to patch. This would not have been a problem.

There is a differance between cheating for an advantage and "cheating" using something like a test client, which was basicly only used to by pass the patcher. 

Traveling which is done very often in RV, is very unbearable, during traveling one would have to deal with many crashes, then having to go through the patcher which for some worked well and for others, well not well at all. Its no excuse, but at the same rate its no where near considered giving a bad name to someone saying cheaters.

Not only that, but what philjwill speaks is truth. Cheaters have been let off in RV, and then theres times like these where people get banned. There is no consistancy what so ever. 

NonSequitur

Its often hard to catch cheaters, even when "everybody" "knows" they're doing it.

In this case, it happens that it was remarkably easy. Karma, neh? I mean... they got Capone for Tax evasion....

blutigfaust

yea, to all you whinners and cryers, there's just no excuse for lack of moral fortitude.  You chose your way to make it easier, or give you benefits others didnt have, you got what you desered, disscussion over.

philjwill

 

Originally posted by NonSequitur


Its often hard to catch cheaters, even when "everybody" "knows" they're doing it.
In this case, it happens that it was remarkably easy. Karma, neh? I mean... they got Capone for Tax evasion....

Let me just just step in here before Maurizio clues in his New jeysey(yes, the Y was intended) mob friends as to your whereabouts...

 

The Lucii have always been the most fair players of all the RV players... When the great taxing exploitation was happening they would have none of it, along with all the other cheating wich happened in the past..

Also let me tell you that cheating is almost invariably immediately caught by the community itself and brought to RB's intention within hours of it happening...

 In other words, refrain from judging situations you know fuck all about.

EDIT: Another player who has always been vocal about keeping the game safe from exploiters and cheaters was banned for "Pasting 3 lines from the test client log in IRC" a situation wich RB could not possibly have monitored or indeed have any rule against, either by verbal contract or a signed NDA" when you ban people for things they don't know are bannable offences you know there's something wrong

NonSequitur

Originally posted by philjwill


 
Originally posted by NonSequitur


Its often hard to catch cheaters, even when "everybody" "knows" they're doing it.
In this case, it happens that it was remarkably easy. Karma, neh? I mean... they got Capone for Tax evasion....

Let me just just step in here before Maurizio clues in his New jeysey(yes, the Y was intended) mob friends as to your whereabouts...

 

The Lucii have always been the most fair players of all the RV players... When the great taxing exploitation was happening they would have none of it, along with all the other cheating wich happened in the past..

Also let me tell you that cheating is almost invariably immediately caught by the community itself and brought to RB's intention within hours of it happening...

 

Oddly enough, you missed my point Phil.... wasn't referring to Maruizio there...

philjwill

Originally posted by NonSequitur


 
Originally posted by philjwill


 
Originally posted by NonSequitur


Its often hard to catch cheaters, even when "everybody" "knows" they're doing it.
In this case, it happens that it was remarkably easy. Karma, neh? I mean... they got Capone for Tax evasion....

Let me just just step in here before Maurizio clues in his New jeysey(yes, the Y was intended) mob friends as to your whereabouts...

 

The Lucii have always been the most fair players of all the RV players... When the great taxing exploitation was happening they would have none of it, along with all the other cheating wich happened in the past..

Also let me tell you that cheating is almost invariably immediately caught by the community itself and brought to RB's intention within hours of it happening...

 

 

Oddly enough, you missed my point Phil.... wasn't referring to Maruizio there...

oddly enough, I find it hard to see how you could be making any other point in a thread wich is based around the banning of the lucii.

If this is some kind of stab at me getting banned in the past it is in fact off topic.

NonSequitur

Originally posted by philjwill


 

 

 In other words, refrain from judging situations you know fuck all about.

 

I know fuck more than you can possibly guess.

philjwill

In wich case you should post with your real account.

EDIT: Your post "did not follow"

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blutigfaust

oddly enough , i am talking about the lucii. If they're so honest and upright, why were they banned? let me guess, kfr has a grudge against you...oh...ppuulllleeeesse.  You got caught. And as nassau is so used to saying "Deal with it"..and goodbye

philjwill

Reviewing the possibilities in IRC, there have been two suggestions, either non sequitar is kanoth or an 18th member. In both cases it seems credible for them to stoop to such low levels as dummy accounts...

as for blutigfaust, I suppose they'll have to... they've already explained that what they did was not an ingame exploit, or cheating as such, they didn't say they didn't deserved to get banned for it. as far as I can see they're accepting it.

NonSequitur

Wow, are you trying to shame me?

 

Ok, I'll stop posting here. The wild speculation is far more entertaining than any meaningful discourse would be. End of the day, the result is the same, neh?

philjwill

probably, but yeah..

I, master of all that is shameful and puncher of parts below the belt, am trying to shame you.

Just like you're trying to shame the Lucii, you reap what you sow?

anyway, moving on to more important matters....

[02:35] <comrade`phil> so yeah maur, you've got a guy called blutigfaust flaming the lucii telling us you're whining about it, what do you have to say?

[02:35] <Maurizio[Lucii]> not worth my time

[02:37] <Maurizio[Lucii]> he doesnt get the point where cheaters have gotten away with things in the game which clearly should have not

[02:37] <Maurizio[Lucii]> and then others get banned for soemthing so minor

[02:37] <comrade`phil> Yeah.. that's what I tried to say

[02:37] <ExZ> spawn camping for one

[02:37] <Maurizio[Lucii]> there is no consistancy what so ever it is pathetic, and to anyone that thinks it has anythig to do with karma is just dumb

and thus the response.

blutigfaust

Originally posted by philjwill


Reviewing the possibilities in IRC, there have been two suggestions, either non sequitar is kanoth or an 18th member. In both cases it seems credible for them to stoop to such low levels as dummy accounts...
as for blutigfaust, I suppose they'll have to... they've already explained that what they did was not an ingame exploit, or cheating as such, they didn't say they didn't deserved to get banned for it. as far as I can see they're accepting it.

LOL, I wondered how long it would be before you blamed the 18th.....

philjwill

Originally posted by blutigfaust

Originally posted by philjwill


Reviewing the possibilities in IRC, there have been two suggestions, either non sequitar is kanoth or an 18th member. In both cases it seems credible for them to stoop to such low levels as dummy accounts...
as for blutigfaust, I suppose they'll have to... they've already explained that what they did was not an ingame exploit, or cheating as such, they didn't say they didn't deserved to get banned for it. as far as I can see they're accepting it.

LOL, I wondered how long it would be before you blamed the 18th.....

It just wouldn't be an RV argument if someone didn't

wllstrt75

wow,

 

I find it humorus tht the 18th is blamed. But I will state that cheating is cheating. regardless of how minimal or extreme the cheat or exploit is. The argument of sos and so gets away with x and we get banned is bunk. If you cheat/ex[ploit or whatever u deserve any ill reprecussions u get.

 

the old adage of "2 wrongs does not make a right" is fighting here.

 

Its a sad day tht the luccii are gone I wish they were not, but I would also like to play a game where exploits are not used to give a persons or group and advantage. The devs have deemed it so and therfore the game will be a better place wiothout those that will cheat/exploit.

Those that say anything less are in fact those that would rather cheat and exploit to get ahead and therefore forfit any other opinions on the matter.

Ofcourse this is just my opinion.

Its to bad muar, u guys were credible foes. just wish you all did not feel u had to bend and break the rules.

philjwill

The 18th is not being blamed for anything, thatwas a joke on IRC....

CAn't you agree on this though, that a client without the 19 minutes of patching beforehand(yes, I exaggerate) would not be that much of an advantage and more a way to get around a stupid and needless feature, add to that the fact that it's not actually IN GAME..

The day you admit that making your game load faster is an exploit is the day you admit you're playing a crap game.. Do I have a point? yes or no?

Add to the fact that the testing team were never given any instruction on what they could or could not do with the test client... And yes, common sense should have played a role in this, and was obviously missing, But RB could at least have tempbanned them instead of perma bans.. This sort of  dev behaviour has gone on ever since release... rampant exploiting and cheating, with no response from the devs, followed by a merciless cull. (Conspiracy nuts might say that the devs have a grudge against exploiting barbarians, and it does seem that way sometimes.) If the devs wish to remain credible they have to react to ALL reported cases of exploiting/cheating/abuse/misunderstandings in the same way.

Anyway, it's late, I'm running out of beer and I'm tired. good night to all and to all a good night or some crap like that

Maurizio

Originally posted by wllstrt75


wow,
 
I find it humorus tht the 18th is blamed. But I will state that cheating is cheating. regardless of how minimal or extreme the cheat or exploit is. The argument of sos and so gets away with x and we get banned is bunk. If you cheat/ex[ploit or whatever u deserve any ill reprecussions u get.
 
the old adage of "2 wrongs does not make a right" is fighting here.
 
Its a sad day tht the luccii are gone I wish they were not, but I would also like to play a game where exploits are not used to give a persons or group and advantage. The devs have deemed it so and therfore the game will be a better place wiothout those that will cheat/exploit.
Those that say anything less are in fact those that would rather cheat and exploit to get ahead and therefore forfit any other opinions on the matter.
Ofcourse this is just my opinion.
Its to bad muar, u guys were credible foes. just wish you all did not feel u had to bend and break the rules.

It does suck that there is no consistancy with the devs on punishments, but none the less we are gone.

Problem is, no guild or single person in RV has done as much traveling as the Lucii has. It is becuase we wanted to be so far away, Yes but still the problems come into play that we have had to travel the most which means we have suffured the most in errors, crashes, teleports, and so on. We have sent in error reports and posted on forums and sent support emails. Pretty much all of them went on def ears. Many posts from the community for similar problems, stateing there is a problem. Crashes that have been with the game since day 1, and many new ones in the recent months. They are not fixed, instead more things get implemented and things stay broken.

So, as I have said before, OK so we did use somthing we should not have, so that we could by pass the patcher. Its not sad that we got banned for it, What is sad is that RV neglectics to fix things when reports are sent over and over. RV neglectics the community when asked if we could have a patchless client, so that those who do suffer 5 min patch times wouldnt have to wait 10mins before being able to log in,[considering how many crashes some have].

Its easy to point a finger and say cheater/exploiter. But when you look at the reality of why an entire guild, included a few others who also were banned, did it, helps to understand the reasons behind it.

Again, im not sitting here saying complaining that we choose to be far away, we liked to do that as it felt more freedom, but being further away also brought us more grief as we had to deal with much much more crashing then others. Id suggest RB fixes the bugs in that game, as well as comes out with a patchless client, if they ever want to see a great population.

Ceolas

 

Originally posted by philjwill
 
 The Lucii have always been the most fair players of all the RV players... When the great taxing exploitation was happening they would have none of it, along with all the other cheating wich happened in the past..

 

 

Utter bullshit. They were in on that exploit, and I wouldn't doubt some of them have been in many more. Nassau was permanently banned for using that, and had to assume a new identity. Maurizio was put on the cross for that taxing exploit too. Don't talk crap.

philjwill

Originally posted by Ceolas


 
Originally posted by philjwill
 
 The Lucii have always been the most fair players of all the RV players... When the great taxing exploitation was happening they would have none of it, along with all the other cheating wich happened in the past..

 

 

Utter bullshit. They were in on that exploit, and I wouldn't doubt some of them have been in many more. Nassau was permanently banned for using that, and had to assume a new identity. Maurizio was put on the cross for that taxing exploit too. Don't talk crap.

Yeah, sorry about that, I was thinking of another guild, I think it was the hundred who reformed around that time... I remember meeting up with starcius at the edge of the erring woods and him being dismissive about the exploit..

EDIT: Apparently it wasn't the hundred either, as they reformed properly afterwards..

Maurizio

Originally posted by Ceolas


 
Originally posted by philjwill
 
 The Lucii have always been the most fair players of all the RV players... When the great taxing exploitation was happening they would have none of it, along with all the other cheating wich happened in the past..

 

 

Utter bullshit. They were in on that exploit, and I wouldn't doubt some of them have been in many more. Nassau was permanently banned for using that, and had to assume a new identity. Maurizio was put on the cross for that taxing exploit too. Don't talk crap.

Please get your facts straight, i was not put on a cross, i was suspended for 3 days for gaining 10 parry points and 10 spear melee poins off that so called exploit.  As i said i did not deny using it becuase the whole northern community was using it, but i was the only one from my guild at the time. And like i said I did not know it was being kept secret from the devs, all i knew was do not tell romans. As the romans took advantage of a similar bug about 2 months earlier, which, NONE were banned.

Again we see the inconsistancy of treatment towards these type things.

Smartwhois

Originally posted by Maurizio


Had RB took into consideration what the entire RV community has asked for in the past which was the ablility to have a client that by passed the patcher which takes way too long for many people to patch. This would not have been a problem.
There is a differance between cheating for an advantage and "cheating" using something like a test client, which was basicly only used to by pass the patcher.

Bypassing the patcher allows you to modify the files allowing major cheats.

Maurizio

Originally posted by Smartwhois

Originally posted by Maurizio


Had RB took into consideration what the entire RV community has asked for in the past which was the ablility to have a client that by passed the patcher which takes way too long for many people to patch. This would not have been a problem.
There is a differance between cheating for an advantage and "cheating" using something like a test client, which was basicly only used to by pass the patcher.

Bypassing the patcher allows you to modify the files allowing major cheats.

Files can be modified with the patcher as well as meinard as clearly shown it can be done.

Before speaking of something you know nothing about, do some research on these things. Ask meinard about what he used to talk about a few months ago, how he turned all tunics in the game a certain color, and so on. This was all done before the test client even existed.