BTW As i say. I resubscribed And damn I am glad I did. I enjoy this game. And the atmosphere is unbeatable. I also noticed that servers are now more packed more than they ever been. Even more than at release !!!! LOTRO is actually growing in subscriptions.
Growing? Prove it. Anecdotal evidence is not sufficient.
And it seems Jackdog is now playing EQ2. Kinda funny seeing as how he was a huge SOE hater on these forums, and talked about LOTRO like it was the second coming of christ.
It does not mather what you play, as long as you have fun...you pay a montly sub , so if you want to stop what the big deal? you enjoyed the game and not paying anymore, so its not a big lost, realy dont understand why people think a game sould last forever, if you enjoyed it for over 4 mounths i think it was well worth the monney. Besides its best to play an Mmo that way, and then continue maby when an expsianion pack releases or updates, sticking on the same game for years is not healty imo,
Playing:World of Warcraft. Played:Lord of the Rings Online, Starwars Galaxies. Tried:Starwars the Old Republic, Everquest 2, Guild Wars, Vanguard, Age of Conan, Aion.
BTW As i say. I resubscribed And damn I am glad I did. I enjoy this game. And the atmosphere is unbeatable. I also noticed that servers are now more packed more than they ever been. Even more than at release !!!! LOTRO is actually growing in subscriptions.
Growing? Prove it. Anecdotal evidence is not sufficient.
And it seems Jackdog is now playing EQ2. Kinda funny seeing as how he was a huge SOE hater on these forums, and talked about LOTRO like it was the second coming of christ.
I never liked Jackdog. His fanboyism hurt LOTRO more than it helped it.
Beleive me - Everytime you see Fanboy - know this is opsessive person that will soon turn his overblown love to hate.
So him playing EQ2 , comes to small surprise for me.
Perception , there is nothing to lie about.
If you are power player - stay away from LOTRO like from bad booze. It is no secret.
I am casual player that played LOTRO from first day , never had an alt - and i am only lvl 42 !!!
I guess this game caters for people with my playstyle. People with kids , jobs , wifes.
If you play LOTRO for more than 3-4 hours a day you are going to hate it.
But if you love classic CRPG, roleplaying, excelent graphic and atmosphere, great story writting and awesome community - and enjoy this over grinding for hours end.
BTW As i say. I resubscribed And damn I am glad I did. I enjoy this game. And the atmosphere is unbeatable. I also noticed that servers are now more packed more than they ever been. Even more than at release !!!! LOTRO is actually growing in subscriptions.
Growing? Prove it. Anecdotal evidence is not sufficient.
And it seems Jackdog is now playing EQ2. Kinda funny seeing as how he was a huge SOE hater on these forums, and talked about LOTRO like it was the second coming of christ.
I never liked Jackdog. His fanboyism hurt LOTRO more than it helped it.
Beleive me - Everytime you see Fanboy - know this is opsessive person that will soon turn his overblown love to hate.
So him playing EQ2 , comes to small surprise for me.
Perception , there is nothing to lie about.
If you are power player - stay away from LOTRO like from bad booze. It is no secret.
I am casual player that played LOTRO from first day , never had an alt - and i am only lvl 42 !!!
I guess this game caters for people with my playstyle. People with kids , jobs , wifes.
If you play LOTRO for more than 3-4 hours a day you are going to hate it.
But if you love classic CRPG, roleplaying, excelent graphic and atmosphere, great story writting and awesome community - and enjoy this over grinding for hours end.
Than you will love LOTRO
I don't think anyone liked Jackdog , but I digress. I wasn't asking why you liked the game, was simply asking you to back up the claim that LOTRO is growing in subscriptions.
Yeah well in the UK WoW is going for £6.99 and the expansion for £10.99 on gameplay so they must be real bad as well . Just because a game is cheap does not mean it's bad and that goes double for MMO's as they make their money from subs and don't rely on box sales that much. I mean i can get Deus Ex for about £5 now and it's a brilliant game same with the KOTOR series and BG series, they are cheap but still some of the best ever RPG's you will play. If you want to talk about a game being bad based on it's price then look at Vanguard on gameplay i'm sure it was £1.99 (about $4) and it's only been out for nearly a year. Don't forget that the January sales are on at the moment so alot of stuff including games will be going cheap.
Wow is that cheap so all the kids have to do to get it is save up a couple days worth of lunch money. (provided the playground bully doesnt take it)
Lets see here: Wow from Feb 2005-June 2007 (2 years 4 months) Guild Wars from opening (Was that May 2005?) to present - 2 years 8 months Everquest 2: 3 months Origial Everquest: 4 hours then Never. Again. DDO: 1 month, then back later for 2 months, then back again for 1 month....we'll see if I stick this time. LOTRO: just bought it at big discount. We'll see how long that lasts. Tabular Rasa: 2 months so far. I expect this will last another 2-3 months then I'll be done with it. But it will be a good, satisfied done, not a, "Sick of this," done with it. Lineage: 5 hours tops. Eve Online: Never made it through the tutorial. Just watching my wife play put me to sleep. Archlord: About a week. City of Heroes: 1 month Final Fantasy XI: about a week, then I couldn't take it anymore. Horizons: About 2 hours and then I couldn't take it anymore. Shaiya: About 45 minutes and then I couldn't take it anymore. (record stuck....) Pirates of the Burning Sea Beta: About 4 hours and then I...you get the idea. The Matrix Online: 1 month. Wish it had been better. Star Wars Galaxies: The original was 1 month, would have been longer if it hadn't run like hell on my old PC. The NGE lasted 2 weeks....played the free trial, found it wanting. So I'd say any MMO that keeps someone for 6 months is doing pretty good. But the best MMOs will, naturally, keep you for a lot longer....but those are destined to be few and far between!
ADHD anyone? I played Everquest for 6+ years, I think thats more time than youve played MMOs total :P
Dont diss the granddaddy :P
New school gamers seem to want instant gratification
Old school gamers want challenge and depth, and a sense of pride of actually having to work to accomplish something.
I don't think anyone liked Jackdog , but I digress. I wasn't asking why you liked the game, was simply asking you to back up the claim that LOTRO is growing in subscriptions.
I can not back my claim because i obviously do not have real numbers in my hand.
But i quited the game 2 month ago , and now i am back. And i can visually see a diference.
And it is better , and more crowded now than even in the starting days
All we got to go by is anecdotal evidence because Turbine hasn't (and probably never will, by their own admission) released their subscription numbers.
For those of us who require absolute proof of LOTROs subs to believe if they're growing or not, well, I guess we're never going to believe it. For those of us who play the game and see a "steady" population, I suppose that's good enough. And for those that believe Turbine's official statements of "growth" then away we go. I guess this last one is about as close as we're going to get to actual proof of subs.
Check out my LOTRO Blog: www.middleearthadventurer.blogspot.com
Lets see here: Wow from Feb 2005-June 2007 (2 years 4 months) Guild Wars from opening (Was that May 2005?) to present - 2 years 8 months Everquest 2: 3 months Origial Everquest: 4 hours then Never. Again. DDO: 1 month, then back later for 2 months, then back again for 1 month....we'll see if I stick this time. LOTRO: just bought it at big discount. We'll see how long that lasts. Tabular Rasa: 2 months so far. I expect this will last another 2-3 months then I'll be done with it. But it will be a good, satisfied done, not a, "Sick of this," done with it. Lineage: 5 hours tops. Eve Online: Never made it through the tutorial. Just watching my wife play put me to sleep. Archlord: About a week. City of Heroes: 1 month Final Fantasy XI: about a week, then I couldn't take it anymore. Horizons: About 2 hours and then I couldn't take it anymore. Shaiya: About 45 minutes and then I couldn't take it anymore. (record stuck....) Pirates of the Burning Sea Beta: About 4 hours and then I...you get the idea. The Matrix Online: 1 month. Wish it had been better. Star Wars Galaxies: The original was 1 month, would have been longer if it hadn't run like hell on my old PC. The NGE lasted 2 weeks....played the free trial, found it wanting. So I'd say any MMO that keeps someone for 6 months is doing pretty good. But the best MMOs will, naturally, keep you for a lot longer....but those are destined to be few and far between!
ADHD anyone? I played Everquest for 6+ years, I think thats more time than youve played MMOs total :P
Dont diss the granddaddy :P
New school gamers seem to want instant gratification
Old school gamers want challenge and depth, and a sense of pride of actually having to work to accomplish something.
Don't think so. I am older school than EQ1. Was playing far harder core MUDs 5 years before EQ1 was even released.
Never liked EQ1 much at all, it had all the bad points and almost none of the good points of the MUDs. And the forced grouping made me ill.
A "who's older than dirt" contest... dont see many of those nowadays.
Is the game doing that bad? No, not THAT bad. But Ill say this for it:
Each character can have 40 quests active. I have two maxed characters to level 50. Both characters still have 40/40 quests left, and a ton I dont have room for. How did this happen? Simple, skill grinding. You have to get skills up mainly by using them to max them, and unlock other skills. Each skill can add hps, mana, dread resistance, poison resistance.. the works. So if you want to maximize your character for dungeon duty, youll have to grind out all these skill quests. By the time you get done killing 100 trolls, then have to kill 150 more trolls for advanced spell, youve leveled your way into the next level or two. So all the questing you didnt do is still there. Some towns, you hit after not seeing them for a few levels then go back all the quests are grey (no worthwhile exp) so you dont do them. Some quests you had started Green or white, now grey. Heck, you might even have some red ones (Very Tough) that get white or lower by the time you get to them because you have to skill grind.
Some skill grinding is ok, but man, you really have to work, work work in this game for it. The casual up your skill as you quest, only works with a few skills. Some you can only do so much in one day, then its locked until tomorrow. This is a colossal waste of time. So by the time you hit level 50, you either have:
A. A bunch of undone quests that are too low, too boring (no good item reward or story), or grey (no exp for it). Since the cap is 50, you wont get any exp, and it doesnt save until a expansion. So you can run around and do quests which really have no meaning mostly (they might be fun ones in there) or do dungeon runs (Rift etc).
I would have liked to see a higher cap, they could have had room for it. Instead, I parked my characters while waiting for them to up the ante. I dont like unnessary grindage for level, but here, they clearly could have used more levels that the quests would have filled up. This is the funny thing: most games run out of quests and you have to grind the rest each level; this game has too many, and I nvr thought Id say that about a game.
But thats not a complete negative, it shows that the writers on this game were kicking ass and doing some real work, and that should be commended. I do tip my hat for that, they have no shortage of content in LOTRO. The problem though, is that somehow at max, Im bored. Not because I "beat" the game.
Maybe LOTRO is just not my cup of tea. But rating it against whats out, Id say 8/10. I dont see this game failing. They just need to inject something edgy in here.. Idk if that breaks a Tolkien storyline or what, but it makes me go to zzzz.
Lotro is simple easy and yet complex ,my character is almost 43 and im overwhelmed with places to go people to talk to and a kinship to start eventually .And OH god ......Car dum, THE RIFT!! a got lots to do.The game is easy enough to get by yet hard enough that there are people lvl 30+ asking for money, i my self had to borrow cash from a friend for a *** horse .My own fault for spending so much...lol..,Its not that much of a pushover game.
wow, A "who's older than dirt" contest... dont see many of those nowadays. Is the game doing that bad? No, not THAT bad. But Ill say this for it: Each character can have 40 quests active. I have two maxed characters to level 50. Both characters still have 40/40 quests left, and a ton I dont have room for. How did this happen? Simple, skill grinding. You have to get skills up mainly by using them to max them, and unlock other skills. Each skill can add hps, mana, dread resistance, poison resistance.. the works. So if you want to maximize your character for dungeon duty, youll have to grind out all these skill quests. By the time you get done killing 100 trolls, then have to kill 150 more trolls for advanced spell, youve leveled your way into the next level or two. So all the questing you didnt do is still there. Some towns, you hit after not seeing them for a few levels then go back all the quests are grey (no worthwhile exp) so you dont do them. Some quests you had started Green or white, now grey. Heck, you might even have some red ones (Very Tough) that get white or lower by the time you get to them because you have to skill grind. Some skill grinding is ok, but man, you really have to work, work work in this game for it. The casual up your skill as you quest, only works with a few skills. Some you can only do so much in one day, then its locked until tomorrow. This is a colossal waste of time. So by the time you hit level 50, you either have: A. A bunch of undone quests that are too low, too boring (no good item reward or story), or grey (no exp for it). Since the cap is 50, you wont get any exp, and it doesnt save until a expansion. So you can run around and do quests which really have no meaning mostly (they might be fun ones in there) or do dungeon runs (Rift etc). I would have liked to see a higher cap, they could have had room for it. Instead, I parked my characters while waiting for them to up the ante. I dont like unnessary grindage for level, but here, they clearly could have used more levels that the quests would have filled up. This is the funny thing: most games run out of quests and you have to grind the rest each level; this game has too many, and I nvr thought Id say that about a game. But thats not a complete negative, it shows that the writers on this game were kicking ass and doing some real work, and that should be commended. I do tip my hat for that, they have no shortage of content in LOTRO. The problem though, is that somehow at max, Im bored. Not because I "beat" the game. Maybe LOTRO is just not my cup of tea. But rating it against whats out, Id say 8/10. I dont see this game failing. They just need to inject something edgy in here.. Idk if that breaks a Tolkien storyline or what, but it makes me go to zzzz.
I had that happen too, sort of. I actually completely ignored my virttues as I was levelling. Even so, when I hit 50 I still had dozens of unfinished quests. I think they decided to overcompensate for the lartgely empty 30+ game right after luanch. Theres more to do now than one toon can possibly get to.
I also didn't worry about gray quests (unless it was a pre-req for a book quest). As soon as a quest grayed out I deleted it. It worked out well, as my alts come up I have them get really anal about different quest chains, so I'm often doing something new. And my 50 has the virtue grinds left over, so I have something I can work on when I feel like playing that toon solo.
I don't want to write this, and you don't want to read it. But now it's too late for both of us.
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Growing? Prove it. Anecdotal evidence is not sufficient.And it seems Jackdog is now playing EQ2. Kinda funny seeing as how he was a huge SOE hater on these forums, and talked about LOTRO like it was the second coming of christ.
It does not mather what you play, as long as you have fun...you pay a montly sub , so if you want to stop what the big deal? you enjoyed the game and not paying anymore, so its not a big lost, realy dont understand why people think a game sould last forever, if you enjoyed it for over 4 mounths i think it was well worth the monney. Besides its best to play an Mmo that way, and then continue maby when an expsianion pack releases or updates, sticking on the same game for years is not healty imo,
Playing: World of Warcraft.
Played: Lord of the Rings Online, Starwars Galaxies.
Tried: Starwars the Old Republic, Everquest 2, Guild Wars, Vanguard, Age of Conan, Aion.
And it seems Jackdog is now playing EQ2. Kinda funny seeing as how he was a huge SOE hater on these forums, and talked about LOTRO like it was the second coming of christ.
I never liked Jackdog. His fanboyism hurt LOTRO more than it helped it.
Beleive me - Everytime you see Fanboy - know this is opsessive person that will soon turn his overblown love to hate.
So him playing EQ2 , comes to small surprise for me.
Perception , there is nothing to lie about.
If you are power player - stay away from LOTRO like from bad booze. It is no secret.
I am casual player that played LOTRO from first day , never had an alt - and i am only lvl 42 !!!
I guess this game caters for people with my playstyle. People with kids , jobs , wifes.
If you play LOTRO for more than 3-4 hours a day you are going to hate it.
But if you love classic CRPG, roleplaying, excelent graphic and atmosphere, great story writting and awesome community - and enjoy this over grinding for hours end.
Than you will love LOTRO
And it seems Jackdog is now playing EQ2. Kinda funny seeing as how he was a huge SOE hater on these forums, and talked about LOTRO like it was the second coming of christ.
I never liked Jackdog. His fanboyism hurt LOTRO more than it helped it.
Beleive me - Everytime you see Fanboy - know this is opsessive person that will soon turn his overblown love to hate.
So him playing EQ2 , comes to small surprise for me.
Perception , there is nothing to lie about.
If you are power player - stay away from LOTRO like from bad booze. It is no secret.
I am casual player that played LOTRO from first day , never had an alt - and i am only lvl 42 !!!
I guess this game caters for people with my playstyle. People with kids , jobs , wifes.
If you play LOTRO for more than 3-4 hours a day you are going to hate it.
But if you love classic CRPG, roleplaying, excelent graphic and atmosphere, great story writting and awesome community - and enjoy this over grinding for hours end.
Than you will love LOTRO
I don't think anyone liked Jackdog
, but I digress. I wasn't asking why you liked the game, was simply asking you to back up the claim that LOTRO is growing in subscriptions.
Perception is Reality.
Wow is that cheap so all the kids have to do to get it is save up a couple days worth of lunch money. (provided the playground bully doesnt take it)
ADHD anyone? I played Everquest for 6+ years, I think thats more time than youve played MMOs total :P
Dont diss the granddaddy :P
New school gamers seem to want instant gratification
Old school gamers want challenge and depth, and a sense of pride of actually having to work to accomplish something.
I can not back my claim because i obviously do not have real numbers in my hand.
But i quited the game 2 month ago , and now i am back. And i can visually see a diference.
And it is better , and more crowded now than even in the starting days
(at least on the server i play on)
All we got to go by is anecdotal evidence because Turbine hasn't (and probably never will, by their own admission) released their subscription numbers.
For those of us who require absolute proof of LOTROs subs to believe if they're growing or not, well, I guess we're never going to believe it. For those of us who play the game and see a "steady" population, I suppose that's good enough. And for those that believe Turbine's official statements of "growth" then away we go. I guess this last one is about as close as we're going to get to actual proof of subs.
Check out my LOTRO Blog: www.middleearthadventurer.blogspot.com
Dear OP,
The game is doing fine. I was in Bree last night and it was crawling with players of all different levels.
Come back to the game, the boars miss you...
ADHD anyone? I played Everquest for 6+ years, I think thats more time than youve played MMOs total :P
Dont diss the granddaddy :P
New school gamers seem to want instant gratification
Old school gamers want challenge and depth, and a sense of pride of actually having to work to accomplish something.
Don't think so. I am older school than EQ1. Was playing far harder core MUDs 5 years before EQ1 was even released.Never liked EQ1 much at all, it had all the bad points and almost none of the good points of the MUDs. And the forced grouping made me ill.
wow,
A "who's older than dirt" contest... dont see many of those nowadays.
Is the game doing that bad? No, not THAT bad. But Ill say this for it:
Each character can have 40 quests active. I have two maxed characters to level 50. Both characters still have 40/40 quests left, and a ton I dont have room for. How did this happen? Simple, skill grinding. You have to get skills up mainly by using them to max them, and unlock other skills. Each skill can add hps, mana, dread resistance, poison resistance.. the works. So if you want to maximize your character for dungeon duty, youll have to grind out all these skill quests. By the time you get done killing 100 trolls, then have to kill 150 more trolls for advanced spell, youve leveled your way into the next level or two. So all the questing you didnt do is still there. Some towns, you hit after not seeing them for a few levels then go back all the quests are grey (no worthwhile exp) so you dont do them. Some quests you had started Green or white, now grey. Heck, you might even have some red ones (Very Tough) that get white or lower by the time you get to them because you have to skill grind.
Some skill grinding is ok, but man, you really have to work, work work in this game for it. The casual up your skill as you quest, only works with a few skills. Some you can only do so much in one day, then its locked until tomorrow. This is a colossal waste of time. So by the time you hit level 50, you either have:
A. A bunch of undone quests that are too low, too boring (no good item reward or story), or grey (no exp for it). Since the cap is 50, you wont get any exp, and it doesnt save until a expansion. So you can run around and do quests which really have no meaning mostly (they might be fun ones in there) or do dungeon runs (Rift etc).
I would have liked to see a higher cap, they could have had room for it. Instead, I parked my characters while waiting for them to up the ante. I dont like unnessary grindage for level, but here, they clearly could have used more levels that the quests would have filled up. This is the funny thing: most games run out of quests and you have to grind the rest each level; this game has too many, and I nvr thought Id say that about a game.
But thats not a complete negative, it shows that the writers on this game were kicking ass and doing some real work, and that should be commended. I do tip my hat for that, they have no shortage of content in LOTRO. The problem though, is that somehow at max, Im bored. Not because I "beat" the game.
Maybe LOTRO is just not my cup of tea. But rating it against whats out, Id say 8/10. I dont see this game failing. They just need to inject something edgy in here.. Idk if that breaks a Tolkien storyline or what, but it makes me go to zzzz.
"TO MICHAEL!"
Lotro is simple easy and yet complex ,my character is almost 43 and im overwhelmed with places to go people to talk to and a kinship to start eventually .And OH god ......Car dum, THE RIFT!! a got lots to do.The game is easy enough to get by yet hard enough that there are people lvl 30+ asking for money, i my self had to borrow cash from a friend for a *** horse .My own fault for spending so much...lol..,Its not that much of a pushover game.
I had that happen too, sort of. I actually completely ignored my virttues as I was levelling. Even so, when I hit 50 I still had dozens of unfinished quests. I think they decided to overcompensate for the lartgely empty 30+ game right after luanch. Theres more to do now than one toon can possibly get to.
I also didn't worry about gray quests (unless it was a pre-req for a book quest). As soon as a quest grayed out I deleted it. It worked out well, as my alts come up I have them get really anal about different quest chains, so I'm often doing something new. And my 50 has the virtue grinds left over, so I have something I can work on when I feel like playing that toon solo.
I don't want to write this, and you don't want to read it. But now it's too late for both of us.