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Should I play Eve?
DoctorRat
Member Posts: 54
in EVE Online
I've been playing mmorpgs a while, though I usually drop them after a while. I left Everquest, City of Heroes, and Final Fantasy XI because of the same leveling treadmill with different genres.
There are three games I wanted to try, since I prefer dynamic player versus player combat (And role playing if available, but that's a lost cause, basically.)
Another thing that turns me away from games is the switchoff between super-powerful equipment and skill. Do players with bad equipment still have a chance against players with the latest superpower l33t blaster of doom?
Anyway, would you suggest Eve for me? If not, what would you suggest, if anything.
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The 14 day trial is free to download and play so...
I do not know, should you?
"This is not a game to be tossed aside lightly.
It should be thrown with great force"
..... Thank you for the... Input.
I wanted those questions answered before I put effort into seeking the game, I like what I'm hearing on this forum, so I might just jump in. I'd still like to know the stuff... Uhh, I had another question...
How long does it take from day one to begin enjoying pvp? I keep hearing from people it takes months.
For dynamic PvP you can seek no further, from my 11 months experience in EVE it's the best MMO there that provides unparalled PvP experience. Ofc theres learning curve and it takes time to build up your skills to become truly proficient, but you can start enjoying small scale PvP from your first 2 weeks onward (frigate class ships PvP)
It has one the greatest in-game communities and sold economy (at least it was solid when i left 3 months ago)
What about that... Two weeks in?
What about the other questions in my first post?
Eve truly is fantastic game once you know everything game has. It isn't very fastpaced compared to other MMO's but it has more content that most of them. Very political game, nice corporation wars, manufacturing, research, trade etc..
As for equipment, their differences arent that big. So you have change to blow things away on your basic "Laser" as well as on yout advanced laser. Skill's matter maybe more on this, but it doesn't mean that veterans will kill you. Atleast once you know mechanics on game.
Go ahead and try it, but game is extremely difficult for beginners because it has so many things. Just ask help from players around you, seomeone always helps.
Played: Planetside, WW2online, Daoc, Swg, Coh.
Playing: Eve
Played: Quite a few Mmos
Playing: Something
ansver..no
only if u wonna pay 4 months for nothing
jast join play 4 months ..u can get some "skills" in this time--and u can make some quik money
just dont waste ur time doing missions or minning as noob
pay for 4 months and wait ur skills going up
u dont need to play first 4 months..just pay for ur skills and time
Sounds like a post from EvE newbie frustrated with inital experience...
Totally disagree... In 4 first months (not counting my time in beta) I learned the ins and outs of game made buncha long-standing friends and got invaluable exp in PvP. If you re lazy or wanna have uber l337 char from day1 - then buy an account on ebay..
Elaborated answer:
This game having widest possible choice of "character equipment" options, and skill paths with no leveling whatsoever-nonexistent term in EVE - makes PvP to rely on player personal skills and combat experience. It doesn't mean that little depends on amount of game skills and their respective levels character has developed. But PvP in EVE is so dynamic that person with "relatively inferior" gear/skills but extensive personal experience in combat can kick arse of superior gear/more skills d00d with big ego, bigger mouth but skilled little in PvP.
##ever seen 3 Kestrel frigates with 3 alt chars 3 weeks of trainig total make a guy in battleship run away in fear ?## hint->then come to CA space and ask for demonstration hehe##
Another point, with Shiva exp pack coming out soon allowing for officially created alliances in-game, EvE should have most deep political and social player-run structures that any MMO out there ever.
my $0.02
Thanks for the input. I've basically learned to tune out what crock says, he seems to hate everything that doesent make him a god in the first day. I used to the like that, too, though. I think I'll give the game a shot, I dont mind being kicked around by veteran players as long as some of them are nice to me.
Well its free to try as stated above so go for it.
However i did not really enjoy this game, i prefer getting some type of reward for my time spent playing. In EVE you train you skills in real time. Your characters skill development is set to a rate determined through development. So sure you pick the skills you want to learn, and then just wait for them to be learned.
If you want good blanced pvp game where a lvl 1 can kill a max level 20 toon, try Planetside. Now this game is a mmofps, which has rpg elements and is twitch based. Character growth is pretty fast and it can get really fun when you figutre you good ways to kill you enemies.
You, might still be able to D/L it a fileplanet for 9.99 with 30 days. I played it for about 6 months and by then it was getting a little dry.
PS, you will want a pretty good puter if you want to try this title out
this game is awesome i just got the trial im having a ton of fun.... (already posted the gist of that in the wrong forum in a thread somone made)
anyway the best part about this game is that the community is amazing. Everyone is helping everyone else and rookie help is the most bumpin chat channel on the whole game. Somone gave me a million isk for no reason on my third day. This game has pvp and i cant wait to try the only reason i havent is cause i dont know what im doing yet. This game is on the more complicated side but not much more than eq really. Its just completely different with it being space and all so it takes some adjusting. I agree that 2 weeks would probably be the right amount of time it would take to be ready for pvp.
anyway im having a blast with the trial and this game has a new subscriber.
ITS A TRAP
----ITS A TRAP!!!----
Yea, I'm pretty much a noob myself so I can give you a general idea of what it is like. Even if you don't know what your doing you can get a cruiser in under 2 weeks. I'd hope that after the first week you'd know what your doing which will help, but you can always ask for the things to train and such. I never really could enjoy pvp in my frigate just because there are very few places you could safely fight in frig pvp combat. If you can fight at all you can get jumped by anybody. :P I would recommend just waiting 2-3 weeks till your all pumped up and ready to go.
In about 2 weeks I had almost all my essential skills trained up to a cruiser level. Now since you have a very open ended skill based system you may take longer or shorter. It'll depend on your style of play. I also had enough money to buy a Caracal...which I chose over the MOA because I prefer missles so you don't need to have the best ship around to be good. Heck, all of the cruisers are equal they just have different abilities...some are more electronic warfare based, some are close range, etc. You won't have to worry about getting womped just because your under-equiped. I got all of my money from missions btw. Level 1 kill missions can make you a pretty penny if you find a good quality agent. There is no skill grind. You don't have to hunt or do anything for your skills except buy the ones you don't have. So you do have to hunt for the money but that is super easy to come by. Your skills go up on their own when you decide which one to train. It has an alloted amount of time it takes, which can be reduced through other skills and stats, so you don't have to worry about grinding out "levels."
I hope this helps you out and I hope you find EVE as rewarding and enjoying as I have.
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I appreciate a lot of people will like EVE, and I can see why, but to be fair i thought i'd best post the reasons why i'm not a big fan.
Firstly, i hoped/expected to be able to come out of my ship at the space stations. Being stuck in a ship day in/day out just well seems boring to me. When plahing an MMORPG i like to get attached to my character, what him progress, see how he improves. But in EVE, i can't really get attached to a spaceship, especially since really you're going to be ditching it and upgrading it for another one anyway.
Then there's the graphics, yes what there is looks *really* nice, but once you realise that there's just no variety in them it kinda gets repetative zooming to another galaxy only to see a different coloured cloud. At least in a a "traditional" MMORPG you visit different areas which look different, different dungeons, anything, not just different coloured backgrounds
Travel, omg travel is dull, would be good if you could do something whilst travelling, again control a character inside your ship, go do some repairs to it when travelling, anything, but when you have to make 8 jumps to get to a galaxy and it takes you an hour then you get bored very easily.
Manual? What manual, nothing, no readme, no pdf, nothing online of any use either, yes the help channel is tremendous, but would be nice if there was a proper "game manual" you could read. Online help is good, don't get me wrong, but would be nice if they had a proper manual i could refer to when i'm not in game, or print out or something.
Also, why have an in-game webbrowser, which i think is an amazing idea (especially since you spend most of your time doing nothing in this game) when you can't view websites
Planets, lovely big planets all around the place, but you can't land on them, you can go flying around landscapes, again, just a vast empty space to explore.
Training, this is a strange one, from what I can tell, you dont actually have to do anything to gain any skill, appart from have cash and click a button and wait for hours for it to train you. Surely would be better if you had to do certain tasks to gain "XP" in a certain way to get certain skills? And all this training when offline, all very well and good if you're not playing a lot, but really, waiting 6+ hours to train in a skill withouth you having to do anything is just silly.
Perhaps i'm just missing the point, is there something major i've missed out on during my training? There must be something i'm missing for the game to be so popular. I'd like to get into it, but it's not being forthcoming in revealing something to keep my interest going. So please, let me know if there is some major part of the EVE experience that I've missed.
To summarise, I just feel the game isn't any fun, it's empty, yes space is big, I just didn't realise how big until I started playing EVE
// Carl
Currently Playing : anything to keep me occupied until EQ2 comes out
// Carl
Currently Playing : EQ2 of course
You sound like fantasy MMORPG gamer.
There hundreds of variations in shape color patetrns of clounds ;P And think in your fantasy world you visit couple continents and dozen areas, and they better be bloody good to be worth revisiting with more than just glimpse at surroundings you saw hundred times. Here you have 5000+ systems and chances are you ll never visit many of them even once unless specifically willing to explore.
If u blatantly refuse to read player guides on multiple web sites, Theres paper manual separetely bought or twas included if you purchased actual box with game CD.
8 jumps for an hour ?? 0.o Have you been so unlucky as all you could fly was a school bus ? ;P
I could do empire route of 23 jumps in 30 mins on autopilot with no gate bookmarks
Theres some higher end and research skills you can get only through doing missions/other gameplay
You most prolly missed point: didn't get to like the gist of game. You may like classic treadmill lvling up maxing char levels -> fantasy genre mostly, instead of open end, skills only, training system allowing you to choose your char development path over time and allowing almost unique specialization paths, while logically rewarding ppl who devoted longest time in game as opposed to cookie-cutters twinking chars ->many of fantasy genre- Eve is super dynamic PvP game where your success depends not on uberness of items you wear/have but your personal experience and skillfull gameplay tactics you choose.
But then agreed, that such game mechanics would not suite to almost any fantasy genre game out there currently.
lol, so there are just different types of clouds then not just colours :P My point was that no matter if the shape changede, they were still just clouds, unlike an MMORPG (not just fantasy btw) where you visit different cities, forests, planets worlds, all varying greatly, at least you feel there's variety there, I just didn't get that feeling in Eve.
I didn't "Blatanty refuse to read player" guides as you put it, I did read some of them, my point was that the game should have come with a manual if you download the game (yes you can download it, not just buy it in a box you know), and not force you go "hunting" these guides.
I must have bought a really slow friggate then as ok, it may not have taken an hour, but it was al ong time, long enough for me to watch an episode of something on the TV and have a coffee anyway
WHereas if hte game was more involving I wouldnt have to go and be distracted by something else
Yes I do prefer fantasy mmorpg's more, but that's not to say i'm not willing to try other genres (would I have bothered to try EVE if that was the case?), SWG for example, has one of the most amazing profession/skill systems i've used an an MMORPG, it's not fantasy is it? but it's sure as hell more fun than EVE is.
I'm just dissapointed that *for me* and i'm sure others (there's a thread on it in this forum with people who agree) the game is just too shallow. I mean, even Starglider 2 on the amiga all those years ago had the ability to fly around space, trade and go down onto planets, why didn't they include something so simple in eve?
As I said, i really wanted to like Eve, it's not as if I didn't try, it just didn't do it for me as i'm sure for lots of other people.
// Carl
Currently Playing : anything to keep me occupied until EQ2 comes out
// Carl
Currently Playing : EQ2 of course
hehe sure man, it can be called shallow from perspective of not having adventure type of gameplay with wide personal character interaction with different game settings like your regular interiors/exteriors in full character view etc.
The point of Eve imo, is in tactics/strategy and public politics run by players community with PvP as corner stone of PC interaction. Sure it appeals not to all
In Eve the "Manual" is called the Tutorial...you im sure clicked the Tutorial off.
Eve has a high learning curve at the start this is MOST likley what your problem is
Mooooo
Yes I completed the tutorial thank you, did all the agent training missions and then some more missions + mining to spend 150k on my first ship, so yes I think i got over the initial learning curve thank you
// Carl
Currently Playing : anything to keep me occupied until EQ2 comes out
// Carl
Currently Playing : EQ2 of course
Nope sorry thats not even 1% of the curve.....
I was going to do a tyrade but im going to just fade away, Basicly your never gonna get it because Eve is just not your kind of game.
Each person is a seprate entity unto himself or herself.
As my own person i grew VERY tired of the same old GrInD...Eve fits my needs perfectly.
I will play other games but as long as Eve is Online i will be to.
Do you realy want to walk out of your ship...then stay with Eve it is a future develpoment that has been planed.
Or go play SWG...shrug
Mooooo
Yes I really *do* want to walk out of my ship, I mean, if starglider2 and elite2 on teh amiga could do it all those yars ago and still have the same kind of dynamic as eve did then i see no reason why you cannot do this in eve, i'm bet it is the #1 most requested feature of the game.
I already do play SWG thanks and the lightspeed addon will be exactly what i'm looking for, being able to go to planets and do "traditional" mmorpg style play and fly around in space and relive my starglider/elite/mercenary days
in short, exactly what i expected of EVE.
// Carl
Currently Playing : anything to keep me occupied until EQ2 comes out
// Carl
Currently Playing : EQ2 of course
ooh and please do tell me what the other 99% is i've missed out on so far
// Carl
Currently Playing : anything to keep me occupied until EQ2 comes out
// Carl
Currently Playing : EQ2 of course
I have been playing eve for over 20 months now, beta and release, and im still learning stuff all the time from the community and my corp m8s. i still find myself torn in 16 directiions, always having things to do and not enough time to do them in.
You will love EvE if you liked Elite. If you like buying, selling, manufacturing then eve is your game. If you dont want to have to do millions of silly missions or repetative activities to level up. (there are missions if you want but they grant you money - stuff - blueprints and npc standings.
If you like pvp then eve is awesome.. either a quick ship v ship fight, or a long winded chase down and destroy of a pesky pirate, or being a pirate waiting at a well traveled area for an unwarry carebear to wander by, or if you want the big fleet engagements that will boggle your mind.
No game i have seen to date even remotely comes close to the strategic element in terms of pvp, to say nothing of the tactical side, which deals with everything from skills - to ship choice - to equipment selection (which is stupidly complex if you want it to be) - actual pilot experience, and most important in my books, is good leadership and control.
The system of corporations and alliances is another area that makes eve great, but there elements are existant in other games. needless to say the alliance system (presently player setup and controled - which will become game setup and controled soon) brings in alot of the plot lines that make the game that much more fun. Alliance wars are constantly ongoing, allowing all the pvp one could want.
Pirates abound in eve, so if you like griefing .. then look no further
There are several types in eve, some nice, (ie true to their word), and some not so nice (those that take your toll and then kill you). Then there is M00, they dont want your money they just want to kill you. Aside from their stipud name they are a great group of players.
If you like making stuff, buying and selling stuff, trading, profiteering, speculating, or resource gathering then eve will satisfy your needs that way as well. Prices for many goods are dynamic and player driven. Speculation on where goods prices will go after a new element is ontroduced into the game can make a person rich with little effort.
That enough rambling ??
Well I had another go at it last night for a few hours, i'm sure there's some great point i'm missing as I still didn't find it fun (come on, i'm trying here at least!) I've not lef the beginners corp yet, yes chatting is fun, but I wanted a good fun mmorpg not an IRC client with a 3d front-end
Also the game crashed about 3 times last night for me and my friends. grrrr
I've got another 10 days yet anyway, i'll give it an hour a night to see if things pick up, i've got a new ship now, looks like bobo-fett's
ooh and some campers killed me when i warped to an asteroid belt, all that was left was a pod with only 1 option... self destruct
(
// Carl
Currently Playing : anything to keep me occupied until EQ2 comes out
// Carl
Currently Playing : EQ2 of course
When i started looking for a new game. this well made pvp movie sold me on giving Eve a go.
http://myeve.eve-online.com/download/videos/Default.asp?a=download&vid=86
other player made movies are advailable for viewing on the eve site.
Ravenheart
HellFire-Empire
Ravenheart
HellFire-Empire
EVE is pretty good, but I probably won't play it after the 14 day trial. It's keeping me occupied until Guild Wars and/or WoW. (probably GW cuz the monthly fee supposed to be free) (Yes I know, Ima cheap-ass