JUST SO YALL KNOW, Communism is an economic system not REALLY a political one. ALTHOUGH they might call us Capitalists with the same connotation. What they suffer from is a combination of a Dictatorship which Communism creates. Just quoting my Political Science Professor. Crying communist (and I am guilty of it myself) is fine IMO as long as you understand what your saying. /check under bed for communists.
Stubbing, you need to have another talk with your professor. China is not a dictatorship. It is a socialist republic with elected officials. The Communist Party does control those elections to the extent that it cannot be considered a truly democratic process, but there is no one you could actually call thedictator, so a dictatorship it is not.
And they've had private enterprise since the 1980s.
No they don't have free enterprise. It is regulated (Like video games now) by the government. And I think when my prof was saying dictatorship I think he was using it as an umbrella term. I'll ask him again though. I'm not afraid to be wrong.
I didn't say free, I said private. Big difference.
You guys really need to get your heads out of the sand. One article and you think you know everything about China's government and the online gaming industry there. The problem isn't the current government, it was the previous one, they went some three decades with minimal contact with the capitalist west and this meant that the majority of Chinese people have led a very sheltered life from modern technology, so now that they have it, they are embracing it full on, with the parents and their generation having no awareness of the inherent dangers involved for their children. Addiction to online games is real, and it has hit China harder than countries that have been introduced to the games steadily rather in the span of three or so years. It is not bad for them to look into ways to prevent such addiction, they, like the US, have a group who believe violence is linked to gaming, but they and that opinion is not what is motivating these things. The actual measures taken so far have been purely to combat addiction problems. People do steal, vandalise and hurt others in the name of feeding their addiction, whether it is alcohol, drugs, gambling or online gaming. A little weird perhaps that gaming could be talked about in the same breath as those things but it is true, as the only recorded death associated by law with a computer game is the suicide of an Everquest player some seven years ago now in the US. In China they've had several suicides and violent crimes directly linked to MMOs now, it is becoming a problem there. Bad news sells, people are blowing this out of proportion, the government is just taking the measures it needs to, to ensure the sanity and safety of it's people, as to date they have proven that can not control themselves. I wish the US government and some European governments would wake up and take gaming more seriously, to combat things like poor standards in the gaming industry, illegal trade of virtual goods and the out of control virtual sex/gambling industry.
You can have a babysitter if you want. I don't need one.
As for blowing this out of proportion your probably right. The fact (is that a fact? or is that your dream?) that every citizen (male at least) is forced to join the military and things like that are probably more important. This albeit compared to other things is small time and to be expected from a place like China. But I'm betting that since this is a MMO website and not really a political site, this particular issue is way up there for us. Whats funny about your post is I'll bet you oppose the Patriot Act, but somehow what China is doing is OK. I have a Taiwaneese friend who didn't think China's "for the good of the people" propaganda was all that great when they told him what his career was going to be. I think he is a lot happier here in Medical school than being an officer in the Chineese army.
BTW Everyone,
Don't call someone from Taiwan, Chineese. They REALLY get upset about that. Just sharing a life lesson so none of you have to learn it the hard way.
Ok since when every male in China is forced to join the army? With a population 1500 milion, every male in the army means an army of what size? Come on, are you serious?
You have a Taiwanese friend who do not like some of the Chinese policies. How about I have millions of non-US friends who sees Bush as an obvious aggressor invading Afganistan and Iraq unprovoked. What does that means? Someone is unhappy with a gov't, period.
JUST SO YALL KNOW, Communism is an economic system not REALLY a political one. ALTHOUGH they might call us Capitalists with the same connotation. What they suffer from is a combination of a Dictatorship which Communism creates. Just quoting my Political Science Professor. Crying communist (and I am guilty of it myself) is fine IMO as long as you understand what your saying. /check under bed for communists.
Stubbing, you need to have another talk with your professor. China is not a dictatorship. It is a socialist republic with elected officials. The Communist Party does control those elections to the extent that it cannot be considered a truly democratic process, but there is no one you could actually call thedictator, so a dictatorship it is not.
And they've had private enterprise since the 1980s.
No they don't have free enterprise. It is regulated (Like video games now) by the government. And I think when my prof was saying dictatorship I think he was using it as an umbrella term. I'll ask him again though. I'm not afraid to be wrong.
I didn't say free, I said private. Big difference.
JUST SO YALL KNOW, Communism is an economic system not REALLY a political one. ALTHOUGH they might call us Capitalists with the same connotation. What they suffer from is a combination of a Dictatorship which Communism creates. Just quoting my Political Science Professor. Crying communist (and I am guilty of it myself) is fine IMO as long as you understand what your saying. /check under bed for communists.
Go read your books or attend Political 101.
Communism is a means of distributing ownership within a territory, when it comes to politics. In its ideal form Communism is a stateless ideology, which renounces government. Communist economics as seen in Russia and China before 1974 means central planning of major (and that means only a certain number of) goods. Communism is not just ONE thing. It depends on context.
Technically, China today is totally non-communist, apart from the name of the ruling party. As for your Political Science Professor, sigh ... enough said.
You guys really need to get your heads out of the sand. One article and you think you know everything about China's government and the online gaming industry there. The problem isn't the current government, it was the previous one, they went some three decades with minimal contact with the capitalist west and this meant that the majority of Chinese people have led a very sheltered life from modern technology, so now that they have it, they are embracing it full on, with the parents and their generation having no awareness of the inherent dangers involved for their children. Addiction to online games is real, and it has hit China harder than countries that have been introduced to the games steadily rather in the span of three or so years. It is not bad for them to look into ways to prevent such addiction, they, like the US, have a group who believe violence is linked to gaming, but they and that opinion is not what is motivating these things. The actual measures taken so far have been purely to combat addiction problems. People do steal, vandalise and hurt others in the name of feeding their addiction, whether it is alcohol, drugs, gambling or online gaming. A little weird perhaps that gaming could be talked about in the same breath as those things but it is true, as the only recorded death associated by law with a computer game is the suicide of an Everquest player some seven years ago now in the US. In China they've had several suicides and violent crimes directly linked to MMOs now, it is becoming a problem there. Bad news sells, people are blowing this out of proportion, the government is just taking the measures it needs to, to ensure the sanity and safety of it's people, as to date they have proven that can not control themselves. I wish the US government and some European governments would wake up and take gaming more seriously, to combat things like poor standards in the gaming industry, illegal trade of virtual goods and the out of control virtual sex/gambling industry.
You can have a babysitter if you want. I don't need one.
As for blowing this out of proportion your probably right. The fact (is that a fact? or is that your dream?) that every citizen (male at least) is forced to join the military and things like that are probably more important. This albeit compared to other things is small time and to be expected from a place like China. But I'm betting that since this is a MMO website and not really a political site, this particular issue is way up there for us. Whats funny about your post is I'll bet you oppose the Patriot Act, but somehow what China is doing is OK. I have a Taiwaneese friend who didn't think China's "for the good of the people" propaganda was all that great when they told him what his career was going to be. I think he is a lot happier here in Medical school than being an officer in the Chineese army.
BTW Everyone,
Don't call someone from Taiwan, Chineese. They REALLY get upset about that. Just sharing a life lesson so none of you have to learn it the hard way.
Ok since when every male in China is forced to join the army? With a population 1500 milion, every male in the army means an army of what size? Come on, are you serious?
You have a Taiwanese friend who do not like some of the Chinese policies. How about I have millions of non-US friends who sees Bush as an obvious aggressor invading Afganistan and Iraq unprovoked. What does that means? Someone is unhappy with a gov't, period.
Check your "facts" before talking.
My facts come from a guy who was forced to join the Chinese military. AS I SAY though, I will take the article to my prof (He encourages us to do so) and I'll ask him. BUT it will be Wednesday before I see him again (MLK Holiday). I will tell yall what he says about it and you can take it or leave it.
Private enterprise = you can own your own business. This is allowed in China.
Free enterprise = another word for capitalism. There is private ownership and relatively little governmental control of markets, pricing, etc. The latter is the part China doesn't have, but they are a lot closer now than they were 30 years ago.
P.S. Yes, all men do have to serve in the military when they turn 18, but for how long I do not know.
JUST SO YALL KNOW, Communism is an economic system not REALLY a political one. ALTHOUGH they might call us Capitalists with the same connotation. What they suffer from is a combination of a Dictatorship which Communism creates. Just quoting my Political Science Professor. Crying communist (and I am guilty of it myself) is fine IMO as long as you understand what your saying. /check under bed for communists.
Go read your books or attend Political 101.
Communism is a means of distributing ownership within a territory, when it comes to politics. In its ideal form Communism is a stateless ideology, which renounces government. Communist economics as seen in Russia and China before 1974 means central planning of major (and that means only a certain number of) goods. Communism is not just ONE thing. It depends on context.
Technically, China today is totally non-communist, apart from the name of the ruling party. As for your Political Science Professor, sigh ... enough said.
I assume you are a Doctor of Political Science then?
JUST SO YALL KNOW, Communism is an economic system not REALLY a political one. ALTHOUGH they might call us Capitalists with the same connotation. What they suffer from is a combination of a Dictatorship which Communism creates. Just quoting my Political Science Professor. Crying communist (and I am guilty of it myself) is fine IMO as long as you understand what your saying. /check under bed for communists.
Stubbing, you need to have another talk with your professor. China is not a dictatorship. It is a socialist republic with elected officials. The Communist Party does control those elections to the extent that it cannot be considered a truly democratic process, but there is no one you could actually call thedictator, so a dictatorship it is not.
And they've had private enterprise since the 1980s.
No they don't have free enterprise. It is regulated (Like video games now) by the government. And I think when my prof was saying dictatorship I think he was using it as an umbrella term. I'll ask him again though. I'm not afraid to be wrong.
I didn't say free, I said private. Big difference.
What is the difference? I don't understand.
That makes a lot of difference. If you own a business its private, but that does not mean you are unregulated. You still have to comply with safety regulations, employment regulations, export regulations, business laws ... . Freedom is relative. No one is totally free in a modern society, nor business.
Since 1980s people are allowed to form business and run it the way westerners understand, so long as they comply with the law. There are many jokes about how disorganised/corrputed the local gov'ts are, yes that is true, but not more than what Thailand was 20 years ago. Actually china got out of chaos faster than Thailand and Malaysia, and the newest crop of CBDs are very well structured. Go visit the new CBD in Shenzhen and take a look, but pls bring your eyes not your colored eyeglasses.
"If you thing that poor standards are set by the consumers, then why do we need DEA or other gov't agencies to police and check food quality, toy safety, automobile safety ... "
Government agencies that "police" are needed, in one case I can think of, to regulate the levels of lead based paint in toys...toys from China. People don't like their kids chewing on lead paint it seems, well in the terrible U.S. anyway...damn regulations...
That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming!
JUST SO YALL KNOW, Communism is an economic system not REALLY a political one. ALTHOUGH they might call us Capitalists with the same connotation. What they suffer from is a combination of a Dictatorship which Communism creates. Just quoting my Political Science Professor. Crying communist (and I am guilty of it myself) is fine IMO as long as you understand what your saying. /check under bed for communists.
Go read your books or attend Political 101.
Communism is a means of distributing ownership within a territory, when it comes to politics. In its ideal form Communism is a stateless ideology, which renounces government. Communist economics as seen in Russia and China before 1974 means central planning of major (and that means only a certain number of) goods. Communism is not just ONE thing. It depends on context.
Technically, China today is totally non-communist, apart from the name of the ruling party. As for your Political Science Professor, sigh ... enough said.
I assume you are a Doctor of Political Science then?
Who I am is not a matter of concern, what reason I am trying to present matters. What I am trying to present is basically the first line of text from every Political Science 101 course on "isms".
"If you thing that poor standards are set by the consumers, then why do we need DEA or other gov't agencies to police and check food quality, toy safety, automobile safety ... "
Government agencies that "police" are needed, in one case I can think of, to regulate the levels of lead based paint in toys...toys from China. People don't like their kids chewing on lead paint it seems, well in the terrible U.S. anyway...damn regulations...
Yes that is a perpetual point of debate in political science, that balance of regulation and self-responsibility. Everyone has his own preference on where the line of policing should stop, and for each issue. Man would not want gov't to stop married male from having affairs (technially illegal in China), females would more likely support laws banning prostitution.
One reason we favour some degree of gov't control is to provide information to the public and stop excessively misleading advertisment or product promotion. After all, we want to maintain the separation of health food from drugs and keep the consumers aware of the risks of certain health food or treatment.
You guys really need to get your heads out of the sand. One article and you think you know everything about China's government and the online gaming industry there. The problem isn't the current government, it was the previous one, they went some three decades with minimal contact with the capitalist west and this meant that the majority of Chinese people have led a very sheltered life from modern technology, so now that they have it, they are embracing it full on, with the parents and their generation having no awareness of the inherent dangers involved for their children. Addiction to online games is real, and it has hit China harder than countries that have been introduced to the games steadily rather in the span of three or so years. It is not bad for them to look into ways to prevent such addiction, they, like the US, have a group who believe violence is linked to gaming, but they and that opinion is not what is motivating these things. The actual measures taken so far have been purely to combat addiction problems. People do steal, vandalise and hurt others in the name of feeding their addiction, whether it is alcohol, drugs, gambling or online gaming. A little weird perhaps that gaming could be talked about in the same breath as those things but it is true, as the only recorded death associated by law with a computer game is the suicide of an Everquest player some seven years ago now in the US. In China they've had several suicides and violent crimes directly linked to MMOs now, it is becoming a problem there. Bad news sells, people are blowing this out of proportion, the government is just taking the measures it needs to, to ensure the sanity and safety of it's people, as to date they have proven that can not control themselves. I wish the US government and some European governments would wake up and take gaming more seriously, to combat things like poor standards in the gaming industry, illegal trade of virtual goods and the out of control virtual sex/gambling industry.
You can have a babysitter if you want. I don't need one.
As for blowing this out of proportion your probably right. The fact (is that a fact? or is that your dream?) that every citizen (male at least) is forced to join the military and things like that are probably more important. This albeit compared to other things is small time and to be expected from a place like China. But I'm betting that since this is a MMO website and not really a political site, this particular issue is way up there for us. Whats funny about your post is I'll bet you oppose the Patriot Act, but somehow what China is doing is OK. I have a Taiwaneese friend who didn't think China's "for the good of the people" propaganda was all that great when they told him what his career was going to be. I think he is a lot happier here in Medical school than being an officer in the Chineese army.
BTW Everyone,
Don't call someone from Taiwan, Chineese. They REALLY get upset about that. Just sharing a life lesson so none of you have to learn it the hard way.
Ok since when every male in China is forced to join the army? With a population 1500 milion, every male in the army means an army of what size? Come on, are you serious?
You have a Taiwanese friend who do not like some of the Chinese policies. How about I have millions of non-US friends who sees Bush as an obvious aggressor invading Afganistan and Iraq unprovoked. What does that means? Someone is unhappy with a gov't, period.
Check your "facts" before talking.
My facts come from a guy who was forced to join the Chinese military. AS I SAY though, I will take the article to my prof (He encourages us to do so) and I'll ask him. BUT it will be Wednesday before I see him again (MLK Holiday). I will tell yall what he says about it and you can take it or leave it.
China was trying to reduce the size of its army for over 20 years. A large army is not a good idea for economic development. As you for fact about ONE MAN SO CALLED FORCED TO JOIN THE ARMY. That does not naturally extends to all man drafted into the army. Your extrapolation is wrong, no matter if your "friend" is indeed forced to join the army or not. You only know about the claims pertinent to ONE man. That is ONE out of 1500 million people in china.
JUST SO YALL KNOW, Communism is an economic system not REALLY a political one. ALTHOUGH they might call us Capitalists with the same connotation. What they suffer from is a combination of a Dictatorship which Communism creates. Just quoting my Political Science Professor. Crying communist (and I am guilty of it myself) is fine IMO as long as you understand what your saying. /check under bed for communists.
Go read your books or attend Political 101.
Communism is a means of distributing ownership within a territory, when it comes to politics. In its ideal form Communism is a stateless ideology, which renounces government. Communist economics as seen in Russia and China before 1974 means central planning of major (and that means only a certain number of) goods. Communism is not just ONE thing. It depends on context.
Technically, China today is totally non-communist, apart from the name of the ruling party. As for your Political Science Professor, sigh ... enough said.
I assume you are a Doctor of Political Science then?
Who I am is not a matter of concern, what reason I am trying to present matters. What I am trying to present is basically the first line of text from every Political Science 101 course on "isms".
I'm just sayin, Im probably gonna believe the guy with a Phd. If you have one in poly sci, then I could take your argument to him with a little more standing rather than just saying " this dude on this MMO blog I subscribe to says your wrong". See the difference?
I'm TRULY not being combative. My response sounded less so in my head, LOL. When I said that I fully expected you to say "Yes I teach at the University of fillintheblank".
For EVERYONE out there, (who cares) If I ever sound rude or disrespectful I'm really not meaning to be.
You guys really need to get your heads out of the sand. One article and you think you know everything about China's government and the online gaming industry there. The problem isn't the current government, it was the previous one, they went some three decades with minimal contact with the capitalist west and this meant that the majority of Chinese people have led a very sheltered life from modern technology, so now that they have it, they are embracing it full on, with the parents and their generation having no awareness of the inherent dangers involved for their children. Addiction to online games is real, and it has hit China harder than countries that have been introduced to the games steadily rather in the span of three or so years. It is not bad for them to look into ways to prevent such addiction, they, like the US, have a group who believe violence is linked to gaming, but they and that opinion is not what is motivating these things. The actual measures taken so far have been purely to combat addiction problems. People do steal, vandalise and hurt others in the name of feeding their addiction, whether it is alcohol, drugs, gambling or online gaming. A little weird perhaps that gaming could be talked about in the same breath as those things but it is true, as the only recorded death associated by law with a computer game is the suicide of an Everquest player some seven years ago now in the US. In China they've had several suicides and violent crimes directly linked to MMOs now, it is becoming a problem there. Bad news sells, people are blowing this out of proportion, the government is just taking the measures it needs to, to ensure the sanity and safety of it's people, as to date they have proven that can not control themselves. I wish the US government and some European governments would wake up and take gaming more seriously, to combat things like poor standards in the gaming industry, illegal trade of virtual goods and the out of control virtual sex/gambling industry.
You can have a babysitter if you want. I don't need one.
As for blowing this out of proportion your probably right. The fact (is that a fact? or is that your dream?) that every citizen (male at least) is forced to join the military and things like that are probably more important. This albeit compared to other things is small time and to be expected from a place like China. But I'm betting that since this is a MMO website and not really a political site, this particular issue is way up there for us. Whats funny about your post is I'll bet you oppose the Patriot Act, but somehow what China is doing is OK. I have a Taiwaneese friend who didn't think China's "for the good of the people" propaganda was all that great when they told him what his career was going to be. I think he is a lot happier here in Medical school than being an officer in the Chineese army.
BTW Everyone,
Don't call someone from Taiwan, Chineese. They REALLY get upset about that. Just sharing a life lesson so none of you have to learn it the hard way.
Ok since when every male in China is forced to join the army? With a population 1500 milion, every male in the army means an army of what size? Come on, are you serious?
You have a Taiwanese friend who do not like some of the Chinese policies. How about I have millions of non-US friends who sees Bush as an obvious aggressor invading Afganistan and Iraq unprovoked. What does that means? Someone is unhappy with a gov't, period.
Check your "facts" before talking.
My facts come from a guy who was forced to join the Chinese military. AS I SAY though, I will take the article to my prof (He encourages us to do so) and I'll ask him. BUT it will be Wednesday before I see him again (MLK Holiday). I will tell yall what he says about it and you can take it or leave it.
China was trying to reduce the size of its army for over 20 years. A large army is not a good idea for economic development. As you for fact about ONE MAN SO CALLED FORCED TO JOIN THE ARMY. That does not naturally extends to all man drafted into the army. Your extrapolation is wrong, no matter if your "friend" is indeed forced to join the army or not. You only know about the claims pertinent to ONE man. That is ONE out of 1500 million people in china.
I just don't see my friend as a liar. AGAIN I'll ask my prof about it and tell yall what he says.
JUST SO YALL KNOW, Communism is an economic system not REALLY a political one. ALTHOUGH they might call us Capitalists with the same connotation. What they suffer from is a combination of a Dictatorship which Communism creates. Just quoting my Political Science Professor. Crying communist (and I am guilty of it myself) is fine IMO as long as you understand what your saying. /check under bed for communists.
Go read your books or attend Political 101.
Communism is a means of distributing ownership within a territory, when it comes to politics. In its ideal form Communism is a stateless ideology, which renounces government. Communist economics as seen in Russia and China before 1974 means central planning of major (and that means only a certain number of) goods. Communism is not just ONE thing. It depends on context.
Technically, China today is totally non-communist, apart from the name of the ruling party. As for your Political Science Professor, sigh ... enough said.
I assume you are a Doctor of Political Science then?
Who I am is not a matter of concern, what reason I am trying to present matters. What I am trying to present is basically the first line of text from every Political Science 101 course on "isms".
I'm just sayin, Im probably gonna believe the guy with a Phd. If you have one in poly sci, then I could take your argument to him with a little more standing rather than just saying " this dude on this MMO blog I subscribe to says your wrong". See the difference?
I'm TRULY not being combative. My response sounded less so in my head, LOL. When I said that I fully expected you to say "Yes I teach at the University of fillintheblank".
For EVERYONE out there, (who cares) If I ever sound rude or disrespectful I'm really not meaning to be.
No problem my friend. We all know that discussions about "ism"s are always heated arguments. In the days we study comparative economic systems (27 years ago), our department head (a guy from capitalist USA) and our subject professor (a chinese from Taiwan) accused each other everyday, and we as students watched amazed. Lol, in comparison our discussions here are super mild and friendly.
Feed me your views, and understand that at the end of the day, we can all understand each other and still disagree. With no less respect of each other.
JUST SO YALL KNOW, Communism is an economic system not REALLY a political one. ALTHOUGH they might call us Capitalists with the same connotation. What they suffer from is a combination of a Dictatorship which Communism creates. Just quoting my Political Science Professor. Crying communist (and I am guilty of it myself) is fine IMO as long as you understand what your saying. /check under bed for communists.
Go read your books or attend Political 101.
Communism is a means of distributing ownership within a territory, when it comes to politics. In its ideal form Communism is a stateless ideology, which renounces government. Communist economics as seen in Russia and China before 1974 means central planning of major (and that means only a certain number of) goods. Communism is not just ONE thing. It depends on context.
Technically, China today is totally non-communist, apart from the name of the ruling party. As for your Political Science Professor, sigh ... enough said.
I assume you are a Doctor of Political Science then?
Who I am is not a matter of concern, what reason I am trying to present matters. What I am trying to present is basically the first line of text from every Political Science 101 course on "isms".
I'm just sayin, Im probably gonna believe the guy with a Phd. If you have one in poly sci, then I could take your argument to him with a little more standing rather than just saying " this dude on this MMO blog I subscribe to says your wrong". See the difference?
I'm TRULY not being combative. My response sounded less so in my head, LOL. When I said that I fully expected you to say "Yes I teach at the University of fillintheblank".
For EVERYONE out there, (who cares) If I ever sound rude or disrespectful I'm really not meaning to be.
No problem my friend. We all know that discussions about "ism"s are always heated arguments. In the days we study comparative economic systems (27 years ago), our department head (a guy from capitalist USA) and our subject professor (a chinese from Taiwan) accused each other everyday, and we as students watched amazed. Lol, in comparison our discussions here are super mild and friendly.
Feed me your views, and understand that at the end of the day, we can all understand each other and still disagree. With no less respect of each other.
LOL, that would have been fun to watch. I'm used to being surrounded though, with my political beliefs my prof (who used to work for Jimmy Carter writing speeches and such) calls me the devil when I walk in to his class. We all have a big laugh. I just have a hard time translating what and how I mean things on a blog, and I just wanted you and everyone to know I'm really a pleasant person to argue with. LOL
I'll be the first to say, I don't know everything. My profession deals more with the 4th amendment than foreign policy lol. Thats why, on an intellectual basis, to bring all this to someone smarter than I am. In fact in his class this will probably get me extra credit points so in advance, Thank You for the help in earning an "A" hopefully ROFL.
Thank you all, I'm happy to see a mature debate here since my last post
On the issue of mandatory service in the Armed forces, it is possible that all males could be pressed into service for 1 to 2 years at the age of 18, but I actually believe it's not mandatory, merely preferred. It goes a long way to getting that poor kid from the back streets into a better standard of life to provide for his aging family. Though there are many countries around that do practice this, including some in Europe, though information is not accurate on this subject these days as governments are reducing the time or abolishing the trend as armies become less important to them, it's not like invasion is a real threat to any democratic country these days outside of Africa and the Middle East.
The issue with gold sellers are at the moment they are a legit business in China, though the standards of work are similiar to most of the dodgy internet cafes the government is actively going after, so we could see a few of them get closed down. But they are at most resellers, merely collecting the gold and selling it onto larger front companies from North America and Europe. If a game publisher says that trading of currency and virtual goods is illegal in their game then I think the governments and legal establishments involved should act against these gold sellers and fine/jail them for it.
From what I can see, it's possible if current trends continue in China that Blizzard for example could apply to the legal establishment in China to deal with groups of gold farmers and we would see action. However that doesn't solve the problem as the American or European company that was paying them will just find someone else to do it instead.
Now I don't expect anyone to tell me what I can play or for how long to pay it, cause I'm an adult, but children are already regulated in what they can play with the age rating systems in our countries, they just aren't regulated on how long. So yes, somethings that China is doing I wouldn't like to see replicated in the west, but others, like cracking down on an industry that thinks it can get away with anything, I would like to see. I'm tired of companies releasing buggy games, I'm tired of false advertising, so much hype and they never deliver, I'm tired of having to have crap customer service and unknown costs. Price fixing is illegal in almost every industry I know of, expect online gaming! Why are MMO companies allowed to get away with so much crap, just because people want to play games, that's not right.
Naturally everyone has their own opinion and I don't expect everyone to agree with me on how things should be improved, but no one can deny that things must be improved. A fear that the government getting involved would be against the constitution, due to breaking our freedoms, well isn't forcing us to have substandard products already infringing on our rights?
lol.. the article says they (the Chinese) regard online gaming as "spritual opium" . Then why dont they arrest all those goldsellers and botters for being "Spiritual drug dealers" and execute them all like they do with real drug dealers? One bullet. One less goldseller. I'm for that plan.
I support this idea.
That sounds racial discriminant.
While it is true that online farmers are often times Chinese kids hired, they work like slaves, being paid a few dollars a day, if they got the assignment done. The owners of these farmer companies are not necessarily chinese, nor are they necessarily inside china. The most famous case being an Italian and an American mid aged white male, caught in HK owning a US$1M+ monthly turnover farming company, hiring Chinese kids via online recruitment. RMT sites accept VISA, AE, Paypal or whatever the most advanced electronic payment methods. They do not look like illegal companies hiding inside a Chinese village. More likely they are your neighbor offices in New York or London, formally registered business in the west with VISA, AE approval and formal Paypal, Western Union or whatever else accounts.
One bullet, one less goldseller, you play too many counterstrike. Since when goldselling is a death offense? How about one bullet, one less troll on MMORPG?
Cut the "racial discrimination" crap. The Chinese call it "spiritual opium" according to the article. A response was made regarding that specific statement, saying if online games are opium, then item/goldsellers are drug (opium ) dealers, not saying that only Chinese are goldfarmers/sellers. It's called "dark humor", not racism. A political thread is bad enough, don't start throwing racial BS into the mix.
Is it a racial thing to you that I refuse to buy any product made in China now, especially toys and dog food ( with Chinese-provided wheat gluten ) because I don't feel like seeing my kid or animals get hurt from bullshit products from a supposedly regulated industry in that country?
Or maybe I should bring up how China is the most notorious country for illegal software sales? Or that they can't even pay to have a Disneyland, they just copy it down to the last little flag, and then say "That's not a mouse, that's a dog with round ears" when Disney makes a stink?
And the real troll is someone who tries to make a racial issue where there is none to stir shit up. So, perhaps a mirror is in order?
Cut the "racial discrimination" crap. The Chinese call it "spiritual opium" according to the article. A response was made regarding that specific statement, saying if online games are opium, then item/goldsellers are drug (opium ) dealers, not saying that only Chinese are goldfarmers/sellers. It's called "dark humor", not racism. A political thread is bad enough, don't start throwing racial BS into the mix. Is it a racial thing to you that I refuse to buy any product made in China now, especially toys and dog food ( with Chinese-provided wheat gluten ) because I don't feel like seeing my kid or animals get hurt from bullshit products from a supposedly regulated industry in that country? Or maybe I should bring up how China is the most notorious country for illegal software sales? Or that they can't even pay to have a Disneyland, they just copy it down to the last little flag, and then say "That's not a mouse, that's a dog with round ears" when Disney makes a stink? And the real troll is someone who tries to make a racial issue where there is none to stir shit up. So, perhaps a mirror is in order?
Notice the label on most of those toys, there are many western companies that outsource production (cheap labor) to Asian countries, companies who all skirt around the standards because they are producing them in foreign countries on the cheap. This isn't a problem of China, or Thailand or anywhere else that produces these goods, it's a problem with Capitalism and corruption.
Disneyland thing can be explained, if Disney wish to open a theme park in China they would have to license the rights to a Chinese company because Chinese law dictates that non-Chinese companies are not allowed to operate in mainland China and are not allowed to own more than 5% of a Chinese company. A law, which I think is rotten, but it is there none the less. As for them copying it, well guess someone really really wanted Disneyland
This isn't anything new though, it's happened in many Asian countries over the last three decades. We can all speculate on why people are so against it happening in China, but I think, this definitely strays too far from not only the point of the thread, but also the site in general.
As far as gaming goes, PC Gaming, as the console market doesn't exist in mainland China (of note it doesn't exist in Russia either), the only influence they have on us is being cheap labor for western gold sellers, that is not their fault. In my time as a GM, I tracked down farmers to China, South Korea, Taiwan, Australia, Indonesia, Germany, The Netherlands and USA. These were farmers, not the sites that sold the gold, most of those were US companies. The problem is rife and requires more than just GMs and publishers to counter it, it requires some kind of legal power to stop the power pulling the strings. Cut of the head and the body dies.
My best guess is that "selective compulsory" service means that most males have to serve unless their family has the right connections. Kind of like when the U.S. had the draft.
Thats a great site, Thanks for the link. That will help me out alot in the coming semester LOL. For that I feel I must pay you back and save you $9. Don't go see Cloverfield. I know I know, I'm a freakin SAINT now but, I feel you earned it.
Seriously though, there is lots of good info on that site not just China. For instance it has info about HIV/AIDS for all those countries too. Im an HIV/AIDS peer educator and the will be nice to have that info up to date and easy to find. (For those who don't know: HIV peer educator is a separate voluntary class where you learn about STDs of all sorts and you go teach groups of people like older boyscouts OR first-aid classes etc; about them) AND like Mexican Independence Day is Sep. 16, not May 5th. WHO KNEW? (J/K)
P.S.
It also has when the site was updated right at the top, which is a big deal to have for my profs anyway.
and the whole industry is marginalized by mainstream society
trust me, i worked in Shanghai for a few months and the young 20-somethings there don't give a rat's ass what mainstream society OR the government thinks. Yeah they keep it on the down low so as not to get in trouble but the kids there are about as Western in ther attitudes and values as anyone you'll meet in NY, LA, or any major city in the US, UK or W. Europe.
I dont think Orthedos got my "joke" Zorvan. I think ill have to label the jokes for people sometimes, especially when they are as tight as he is about this issue.
I also dunno how he saw "racial discrimant" in that. But I didnt respond as he surely missed it. Its sad though how fast people pull the race card nowadays, and issues get so far from the original posting.
Sometimes, people just need to B R E A T H E. Try it Orthedos
and the whole industry is marginalized by mainstream society trust me, i worked in Shanghai for a few months and the young 20-somethings there don't give a rat's ass what mainstream society OR the government thinks. Yeah they keep it on the down low so as not to get in trouble but the kids there are about as Western in ther attitudes and values as anyone you'll meet in NY, LA, or any major city in the US, UK or W. Europe.
I never managed to get to Shanghai, always seem to end up in Beijing or Hong Kong. But even in Beijing and quite far north of it, the attitude of the younger generations (makes me feel old), were very liberal and capitalism has taken root through out the age range. Though what seperated it from other countries, like America, UK, France, Japan, etc, was that manners and honor that was apparent, the respect they showed to their elders and especially their family.
Sure a kid can be flogging a box of pirated console games, but he's very polite about it.
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And they've had private enterprise since the 1980s.
No they don't have free enterprise. It is regulated (Like video games now) by the government. And I think when my prof was saying dictatorship I think he was using it as an umbrella term. I'll ask him again though. I'm not afraid to be wrong.
I didn't say free, I said private. Big difference.
As for blowing this out of proportion your probably right. The fact (is that a fact? or is that your dream?) that every citizen (male at least) is forced to join the military and things like that are probably more important. This albeit compared to other things is small time and to be expected from a place like China. But I'm betting that since this is a MMO website and not really a political site, this particular issue is way up there for us. Whats funny about your post is I'll bet you oppose the Patriot Act, but somehow what China is doing is OK. I have a Taiwaneese friend who didn't think China's "for the good of the people" propaganda was all that great when they told him what his career was going to be. I think he is a lot happier here in Medical school than being an officer in the Chineese army.
BTW Everyone,
Don't call someone from Taiwan, Chineese. They REALLY get upset about that. Just sharing a life lesson so none of you have to learn it the hard way.
Ok since when every male in China is forced to join the army? With a population 1500 milion, every male in the army means an army of what size? Come on, are you serious?You have a Taiwanese friend who do not like some of the Chinese policies. How about I have millions of non-US friends who sees Bush as an obvious aggressor invading Afganistan and Iraq unprovoked. What does that means? Someone is unhappy with a gov't, period.
Check your "facts" before talking.
And they've had private enterprise since the 1980s.
No they don't have free enterprise. It is regulated (Like video games now) by the government. And I think when my prof was saying dictatorship I think he was using it as an umbrella term. I'll ask him again though. I'm not afraid to be wrong.
I didn't say free, I said private. Big difference.
What is the difference? I don't understand.
Communism is a means of distributing ownership within a territory, when it comes to politics. In its ideal form Communism is a stateless ideology, which renounces government. Communist economics as seen in Russia and China before 1974 means central planning of major (and that means only a certain number of) goods. Communism is not just ONE thing. It depends on context.
Technically, China today is totally non-communist, apart from the name of the ruling party. As for your Political Science Professor, sigh ... enough said.
As for blowing this out of proportion your probably right. The fact (is that a fact? or is that your dream?) that every citizen (male at least) is forced to join the military and things like that are probably more important. This albeit compared to other things is small time and to be expected from a place like China. But I'm betting that since this is a MMO website and not really a political site, this particular issue is way up there for us. Whats funny about your post is I'll bet you oppose the Patriot Act, but somehow what China is doing is OK. I have a Taiwaneese friend who didn't think China's "for the good of the people" propaganda was all that great when they told him what his career was going to be. I think he is a lot happier here in Medical school than being an officer in the Chineese army.
BTW Everyone,
Don't call someone from Taiwan, Chineese. They REALLY get upset about that. Just sharing a life lesson so none of you have to learn it the hard way.
Ok since when every male in China is forced to join the army? With a population 1500 milion, every male in the army means an army of what size? Come on, are you serious?You have a Taiwanese friend who do not like some of the Chinese policies. How about I have millions of non-US friends who sees Bush as an obvious aggressor invading Afganistan and Iraq unprovoked. What does that means? Someone is unhappy with a gov't, period.
Check your "facts" before talking.
My facts come from a guy who was forced to join the Chinese military. AS I SAY though, I will take the article to my prof (He encourages us to do so) and I'll ask him. BUT it will be Wednesday before I see him again (MLK Holiday). I will tell yall what he says about it and you can take it or leave it.
Private enterprise = you can own your own business. This is allowed in China.
Free enterprise = another word for capitalism. There is private ownership and relatively little governmental control of markets, pricing, etc. The latter is the part China doesn't have, but they are a lot closer now than they were 30 years ago.
P.S. Yes, all men do have to serve in the military when they turn 18, but for how long I do not know.
Communism is a means of distributing ownership within a territory, when it comes to politics. In its ideal form Communism is a stateless ideology, which renounces government. Communist economics as seen in Russia and China before 1974 means central planning of major (and that means only a certain number of) goods. Communism is not just ONE thing. It depends on context.
Technically, China today is totally non-communist, apart from the name of the ruling party. As for your Political Science Professor, sigh ... enough said.
I assume you are a Doctor of Political Science then?
And they've had private enterprise since the 1980s.
No they don't have free enterprise. It is regulated (Like video games now) by the government. And I think when my prof was saying dictatorship I think he was using it as an umbrella term. I'll ask him again though. I'm not afraid to be wrong.
I didn't say free, I said private. Big difference.
What is the difference? I don't understand.
That makes a lot of difference. If you own a business its private, but that does not mean you are unregulated. You still have to comply with safety regulations, employment regulations, export regulations, business laws ... . Freedom is relative. No one is totally free in a modern society, nor business.Since 1980s people are allowed to form business and run it the way westerners understand, so long as they comply with the law. There are many jokes about how disorganised/corrputed the local gov'ts are, yes that is true, but not more than what Thailand was 20 years ago. Actually china got out of chaos faster than Thailand and Malaysia, and the newest crop of CBDs are very well structured. Go visit the new CBD in Shenzhen and take a look, but pls bring your eyes not your colored eyeglasses.
"If you thing that poor standards are set by the consumers, then why do we need DEA or other gov't agencies to police and check food quality, toy safety, automobile safety ... "
Government agencies that "police" are needed, in one case I can think of, to regulate the levels of lead based paint in toys...toys from China. People don't like their kids chewing on lead paint it seems, well in the terrible U.S. anyway...damn regulations...
That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming!
Communism is a means of distributing ownership within a territory, when it comes to politics. In its ideal form Communism is a stateless ideology, which renounces government. Communist economics as seen in Russia and China before 1974 means central planning of major (and that means only a certain number of) goods. Communism is not just ONE thing. It depends on context.
Technically, China today is totally non-communist, apart from the name of the ruling party. As for your Political Science Professor, sigh ... enough said.
I assume you are a Doctor of Political Science then?
Who I am is not a matter of concern, what reason I am trying to present matters. What I am trying to present is basically the first line of text from every Political Science 101 course on "isms".
Yes that is a perpetual point of debate in political science, that balance of regulation and self-responsibility. Everyone has his own preference on where the line of policing should stop, and for each issue. Man would not want gov't to stop married male from having affairs (technially illegal in China), females would more likely support laws banning prostitution.
One reason we favour some degree of gov't control is to provide information to the public and stop excessively misleading advertisment or product promotion. After all, we want to maintain the separation of health food from drugs and keep the consumers aware of the risks of certain health food or treatment.
As for blowing this out of proportion your probably right. The fact (is that a fact? or is that your dream?) that every citizen (male at least) is forced to join the military and things like that are probably more important. This albeit compared to other things is small time and to be expected from a place like China. But I'm betting that since this is a MMO website and not really a political site, this particular issue is way up there for us. Whats funny about your post is I'll bet you oppose the Patriot Act, but somehow what China is doing is OK. I have a Taiwaneese friend who didn't think China's "for the good of the people" propaganda was all that great when they told him what his career was going to be. I think he is a lot happier here in Medical school than being an officer in the Chineese army.
BTW Everyone,
Don't call someone from Taiwan, Chineese. They REALLY get upset about that. Just sharing a life lesson so none of you have to learn it the hard way.
Ok since when every male in China is forced to join the army? With a population 1500 milion, every male in the army means an army of what size? Come on, are you serious?You have a Taiwanese friend who do not like some of the Chinese policies. How about I have millions of non-US friends who sees Bush as an obvious aggressor invading Afganistan and Iraq unprovoked. What does that means? Someone is unhappy with a gov't, period.
Check your "facts" before talking.
My facts come from a guy who was forced to join the Chinese military. AS I SAY though, I will take the article to my prof (He encourages us to do so) and I'll ask him. BUT it will be Wednesday before I see him again (MLK Holiday). I will tell yall what he says about it and you can take it or leave it.
China was trying to reduce the size of its army for over 20 years. A large army is not a good idea for economic development. As you for fact about ONE MAN SO CALLED FORCED TO JOIN THE ARMY. That does not naturally extends to all man drafted into the army. Your extrapolation is wrong, no matter if your "friend" is indeed forced to join the army or not. You only know about the claims pertinent to ONE man. That is ONE out of 1500 million people in china.
Communism is a means of distributing ownership within a territory, when it comes to politics. In its ideal form Communism is a stateless ideology, which renounces government. Communist economics as seen in Russia and China before 1974 means central planning of major (and that means only a certain number of) goods. Communism is not just ONE thing. It depends on context.
Technically, China today is totally non-communist, apart from the name of the ruling party. As for your Political Science Professor, sigh ... enough said.
I assume you are a Doctor of Political Science then?
Who I am is not a matter of concern, what reason I am trying to present matters. What I am trying to present is basically the first line of text from every Political Science 101 course on "isms".
I'm just sayin, Im probably gonna believe the guy with a Phd. If you have one in poly sci, then I could take your argument to him with a little more standing rather than just saying " this dude on this MMO blog I subscribe to says your wrong". See the difference?I'm TRULY not being combative. My response sounded less so in my head, LOL. When I said that I fully expected you to say "Yes I teach at the University of fillintheblank".
For EVERYONE out there, (who cares) If I ever sound rude or disrespectful I'm really not meaning to be.
As for blowing this out of proportion your probably right. The fact (is that a fact? or is that your dream?) that every citizen (male at least) is forced to join the military and things like that are probably more important. This albeit compared to other things is small time and to be expected from a place like China. But I'm betting that since this is a MMO website and not really a political site, this particular issue is way up there for us. Whats funny about your post is I'll bet you oppose the Patriot Act, but somehow what China is doing is OK. I have a Taiwaneese friend who didn't think China's "for the good of the people" propaganda was all that great when they told him what his career was going to be. I think he is a lot happier here in Medical school than being an officer in the Chineese army.
BTW Everyone,
Don't call someone from Taiwan, Chineese. They REALLY get upset about that. Just sharing a life lesson so none of you have to learn it the hard way.
Ok since when every male in China is forced to join the army? With a population 1500 milion, every male in the army means an army of what size? Come on, are you serious?You have a Taiwanese friend who do not like some of the Chinese policies. How about I have millions of non-US friends who sees Bush as an obvious aggressor invading Afganistan and Iraq unprovoked. What does that means? Someone is unhappy with a gov't, period.
Check your "facts" before talking.
My facts come from a guy who was forced to join the Chinese military. AS I SAY though, I will take the article to my prof (He encourages us to do so) and I'll ask him. BUT it will be Wednesday before I see him again (MLK Holiday). I will tell yall what he says about it and you can take it or leave it.
China was trying to reduce the size of its army for over 20 years. A large army is not a good idea for economic development. As you for fact about ONE MAN SO CALLED FORCED TO JOIN THE ARMY. That does not naturally extends to all man drafted into the army. Your extrapolation is wrong, no matter if your "friend" is indeed forced to join the army or not. You only know about the claims pertinent to ONE man. That is ONE out of 1500 million people in china.
I just don't see my friend as a liar. AGAIN I'll ask my prof about it and tell yall what he says.
Communism is a means of distributing ownership within a territory, when it comes to politics. In its ideal form Communism is a stateless ideology, which renounces government. Communist economics as seen in Russia and China before 1974 means central planning of major (and that means only a certain number of) goods. Communism is not just ONE thing. It depends on context.
Technically, China today is totally non-communist, apart from the name of the ruling party. As for your Political Science Professor, sigh ... enough said.
I assume you are a Doctor of Political Science then?
Who I am is not a matter of concern, what reason I am trying to present matters. What I am trying to present is basically the first line of text from every Political Science 101 course on "isms".
I'm just sayin, Im probably gonna believe the guy with a Phd. If you have one in poly sci, then I could take your argument to him with a little more standing rather than just saying " this dude on this MMO blog I subscribe to says your wrong". See the difference?I'm TRULY not being combative. My response sounded less so in my head, LOL. When I said that I fully expected you to say "Yes I teach at the University of fillintheblank".
For EVERYONE out there, (who cares) If I ever sound rude or disrespectful I'm really not meaning to be.
No problem my friend. We all know that discussions about "ism"s are always heated arguments. In the days we study comparative economic systems (27 years ago), our department head (a guy from capitalist USA) and our subject professor (a chinese from Taiwan) accused each other everyday, and we as students watched amazed. Lol, in comparison our discussions here are super mild and friendly.
Feed me your views, and understand that at the end of the day, we can all understand each other and still disagree. With no less respect of each other.
Communism is a means of distributing ownership within a territory, when it comes to politics. In its ideal form Communism is a stateless ideology, which renounces government. Communist economics as seen in Russia and China before 1974 means central planning of major (and that means only a certain number of) goods. Communism is not just ONE thing. It depends on context.
Technically, China today is totally non-communist, apart from the name of the ruling party. As for your Political Science Professor, sigh ... enough said.
I assume you are a Doctor of Political Science then?
Who I am is not a matter of concern, what reason I am trying to present matters. What I am trying to present is basically the first line of text from every Political Science 101 course on "isms".
I'm just sayin, Im probably gonna believe the guy with a Phd. If you have one in poly sci, then I could take your argument to him with a little more standing rather than just saying " this dude on this MMO blog I subscribe to says your wrong". See the difference?I'm TRULY not being combative. My response sounded less so in my head, LOL. When I said that I fully expected you to say "Yes I teach at the University of fillintheblank".
For EVERYONE out there, (who cares) If I ever sound rude or disrespectful I'm really not meaning to be.
No problem my friend. We all know that discussions about "ism"s are always heated arguments. In the days we study comparative economic systems (27 years ago), our department head (a guy from capitalist USA) and our subject professor (a chinese from Taiwan) accused each other everyday, and we as students watched amazed. Lol, in comparison our discussions here are super mild and friendly.
Feed me your views, and understand that at the end of the day, we can all understand each other and still disagree. With no less respect of each other.
LOL, that would have been fun to watch. I'm used to being surrounded though, with my political beliefs my prof (who used to work for Jimmy Carter writing speeches and such) calls me the devil when I walk in to his class. We all have a big laugh. I just have a hard time translating what and how I mean things on a blog, and I just wanted you and everyone to know I'm really a pleasant person to argue with. LOLI'll be the first to say, I don't know everything. My profession deals more with the 4th amendment than foreign policy lol. Thats why, on an intellectual basis, to bring all this to someone smarter than I am. In fact in his class this will probably get me extra credit points so in advance, Thank You for the help in earning an "A" hopefully ROFL.
Thank you all, I'm happy to see a mature debate here since my last post
On the issue of mandatory service in the Armed forces, it is possible that all males could be pressed into service for 1 to 2 years at the age of 18, but I actually believe it's not mandatory, merely preferred. It goes a long way to getting that poor kid from the back streets into a better standard of life to provide for his aging family. Though there are many countries around that do practice this, including some in Europe, though information is not accurate on this subject these days as governments are reducing the time or abolishing the trend as armies become less important to them, it's not like invasion is a real threat to any democratic country these days outside of Africa and the Middle East.
The issue with gold sellers are at the moment they are a legit business in China, though the standards of work are similiar to most of the dodgy internet cafes the government is actively going after, so we could see a few of them get closed down. But they are at most resellers, merely collecting the gold and selling it onto larger front companies from North America and Europe. If a game publisher says that trading of currency and virtual goods is illegal in their game then I think the governments and legal establishments involved should act against these gold sellers and fine/jail them for it.
From what I can see, it's possible if current trends continue in China that Blizzard for example could apply to the legal establishment in China to deal with groups of gold farmers and we would see action. However that doesn't solve the problem as the American or European company that was paying them will just find someone else to do it instead.
Now I don't expect anyone to tell me what I can play or for how long to pay it, cause I'm an adult, but children are already regulated in what they can play with the age rating systems in our countries, they just aren't regulated on how long. So yes, somethings that China is doing I wouldn't like to see replicated in the west, but others, like cracking down on an industry that thinks it can get away with anything, I would like to see. I'm tired of companies releasing buggy games, I'm tired of false advertising, so much hype and they never deliver, I'm tired of having to have crap customer service and unknown costs. Price fixing is illegal in almost every industry I know of, expect online gaming! Why are MMO companies allowed to get away with so much crap, just because people want to play games, that's not right.
Naturally everyone has their own opinion and I don't expect everyone to agree with me on how things should be improved, but no one can deny that things must be improved. A fear that the government getting involved would be against the constitution, due to breaking our freedoms, well isn't forcing us to have substandard products already infringing on our rights?
I support this idea.
That sounds racial discriminant.While it is true that online farmers are often times Chinese kids hired, they work like slaves, being paid a few dollars a day, if they got the assignment done. The owners of these farmer companies are not necessarily chinese, nor are they necessarily inside china. The most famous case being an Italian and an American mid aged white male, caught in HK owning a US$1M+ monthly turnover farming company, hiring Chinese kids via online recruitment. RMT sites accept VISA, AE, Paypal or whatever the most advanced electronic payment methods. They do not look like illegal companies hiding inside a Chinese village. More likely they are your neighbor offices in New York or London, formally registered business in the west with VISA, AE approval and formal Paypal, Western Union or whatever else accounts.
One bullet, one less goldseller, you play too many counterstrike. Since when goldselling is a death offense? How about one bullet, one less troll on MMORPG?
Cut the "racial discrimination" crap. The Chinese call it "spiritual opium" according to the article. A response was made regarding that specific statement, saying if online games are opium, then item/goldsellers are drug (opium ) dealers, not saying that only Chinese are goldfarmers/sellers. It's called "dark humor", not racism. A political thread is bad enough, don't start throwing racial BS into the mix.
Is it a racial thing to you that I refuse to buy any product made in China now, especially toys and dog food ( with Chinese-provided wheat gluten ) because I don't feel like seeing my kid or animals get hurt from bullshit products from a supposedly regulated industry in that country?
Or maybe I should bring up how China is the most notorious country for illegal software sales? Or that they can't even pay to have a Disneyland, they just copy it down to the last little flag, and then say "That's not a mouse, that's a dog with round ears" when Disney makes a stink?
And the real troll is someone who tries to make a racial issue where there is none to stir shit up. So, perhaps a mirror is in order?
Disneyland thing can be explained, if Disney wish to open a theme park in China they would have to license the rights to a Chinese company because Chinese law dictates that non-Chinese companies are not allowed to operate in mainland China and are not allowed to own more than 5% of a Chinese company. A law, which I think is rotten, but it is there none the less. As for them copying it, well guess someone really really wanted Disneyland
This isn't anything new though, it's happened in many Asian countries over the last three decades. We can all speculate on why people are so against it happening in China, but I think, this definitely strays too far from not only the point of the thread, but also the site in general.
As far as gaming goes, PC Gaming, as the console market doesn't exist in mainland China (of note it doesn't exist in Russia either), the only influence they have on us is being cheap labor for western gold sellers, that is not their fault. In my time as a GM, I tracked down farmers to China, South Korea, Taiwan, Australia, Indonesia, Germany, The Netherlands and USA. These were farmers, not the sites that sold the gold, most of those were US companies. The problem is rife and requires more than just GMs and publishers to counter it, it requires some kind of legal power to stop the power pulling the strings. Cut of the head and the body dies.
New Opium war incoming? China gets addicted to something from a foreign exporter, government attempts to stop it, they fail, war, loss of war.
Holy fact sheet, Batman!
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ch.html
My best guess is that "selective compulsory" service means that most males have to serve unless their family has the right connections. Kind of like when the U.S. had the draft.
Thats a great site, Thanks for the link. That will help me out alot in the coming semester LOL. For that I feel I must pay you back and save you $9. Don't go see Cloverfield. I know I know, I'm a freakin SAINT now but, I feel you earned it.
Seriously though, there is lots of good info on that site not just China. For instance it has info about HIV/AIDS for all those countries too. Im an HIV/AIDS peer educator and the will be nice to have that info up to date and easy to find. (For those who don't know: HIV peer educator is a separate voluntary class where you learn about STDs of all sorts and you go teach groups of people like older boyscouts OR first-aid classes etc; about them) AND like Mexican Independence Day is Sep. 16, not May 5th. WHO KNEW? (J/K)
P.S.
It also has when the site was updated right at the top, which is a big deal to have for my profs anyway.
and the whole industry is marginalized by mainstream society
trust me, i worked in Shanghai for a few months and the young 20-somethings there don't give a rat's ass what mainstream society OR the government thinks. Yeah they keep it on the down low so as not to get in trouble but the kids there are about as Western in ther attitudes and values as anyone you'll meet in NY, LA, or any major city in the US, UK or W. Europe.
I dont think Orthedos got my "joke" Zorvan. I think ill have to label the jokes for people sometimes, especially when they are as tight as he is about this issue.
I also dunno how he saw "racial discrimant" in that. But I didnt respond as he surely missed it. Its sad though how fast people pull the race card nowadays, and issues get so far from the original posting.
Sometimes, people just need to B R E A T H E. Try it Orthedos
(that was a joke)
"TO MICHAEL!"
Sure a kid can be flogging a box of pirated console games, but he's very polite about it.