i love americans, yer like a bunch of little president bush's running around! god its so cute! tickle tickle tickle!
I am not going to comment on the China situation. I dont live there so I dont know how things work. The same should go for idiots like you. You obviously have no clue how a good portion of americans view Bush so you, like me, have no clue about something and should keep your mouth shut. Its funny though, you want to trash americans for voicing there opinion when in fact, your doing the same thing. Does that make you a little bush?
i am not trashing americans for voicing their opinion!
Its no different from banning alcohol from people under 21.
I honestly hope you're sarcastic, but I have a funny feeling you're not.
Drinking causes deaths. It causes auto-mobile accidents. It causes addictions. It causes obesity, if not controlled.
MMOs cannot within themselves kill people. They can't cause auto mobile accidents. They can become addictive and are an outlet for obesity if people aren't wise about playing.
So, there is a big difference, and I must disagree with you.
Blessings,
Did you read the news article?
"...several cases involving obsessive players dying of fatigue after marathon game sessions."
MMORPGs apparently kill Chinese people. 4 hours a day is the safest amount of time we can allow Chinese people to play or it may cost them thier lives. If you know a person from China or possibly whos ancestors are from China (studies need to be done in this area) please insure that they are warned that these games might kill them.
I think we should force gaming companies to put on their boxes in big bold letters:
Chinese Surgeon General Warning: MMORPGs have been known to kill Chinese people who have played for more that 4 hours per day. If you are experiencing fatigue related death please consult your doctor immediatly.
"The liberties and resulting economic prosperity that YOU take for granted were granted by those "dead guys"
Some people dont enjoy rl but do enjoy games to get there minds away from rl.
The same people dont really care if they die from gaming atleast they enjoyed the last few days ingame.
I know its sad that people feel this way but the human psychology is strange and some just cant live with the things and thoughts the get put though in rl be the death of a loved one or just a screwed up childhood.
My point is if people wanna die from gaming let em dont take that from em too then u might aswell give em a rope.
Originally posted by NoUrbanLight And I hate rash generalizations. t(>_<)t Admit it... if people were dying, America, England, and any other country you can name would be doing much the same things. It has little to do with "communism" as the title of this thread might suggest. A number of you have done nothing but rant about how these stupid commies are just delaying the inevitable and will have to bow to gamers wills, and blah blah blah, yadda yadda yadda... How about instead of taking the chance to rant about a political structure you dislike, why not wake up and look at the ACTUAL problem: People are DEAD over something that could have been prevented. I agree that they are likely going about this the wrong way. If the problem is so pervasive that it's finding it's way into music advertising campaigns (not that I don't love Nine Inch Nails), simply closing cafes and trusting people that are making money to implement restrictions isn't going to work. One really has to ask where the problem stems from, how these addictions start, what about life is so miserable they seek out this escape, and try to actually fix this at it's root. Harsh as it may sound, a shrink could do a person a lot more good in this situation then a cop could. A programmer could easily do all the police work. For example, playing Guild Wars, I know it keeps track of the time you spend online. It could easily transform into, "You have been playing 1 hour. You have been playing 2 hours. You have been playing 3 hours, please take a break. You have been playing 5 hours, you really should log off. You have been playing 8 hours, does your family miss you yet? You have been playing 10 hours, get a life. You have been playing 23 hours, you have 1 hours till we cut you off. No really, don't bother starting another mission, your account will be locked down server side for a duration of 24 hours. Get some sleep." There's the technical side of it, but with millions of other games to turn to, you'll have to eventually address the psychological side of the problem. What does the player get out of the game that makes it so enjoyable to the point where they don't even want to dislodge themselves? What other activities could render the same effect on their consciousness? How can you integrate all this effort and devotion into a productive activity that has a finite ending at which they could rest and recover? Yes, I know, it's not that simple, but everything has a few basic steps when you strip it down to the basics. After all, why do I bother volunteering for a local non-profit when I could spend those hours grinding a character up to a higher level? Because I feel like I'm helping people, because my efforts are preserved in such a way I can later appreciate them, and because people acknowledge and praise my efforts so I feel good about them and myself.
That's quite a mouth full, however at the end of the day as an American I have a choice.
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And I hate rash generalizations. t(>_<)t Admit it... if people were dying, America, England, and any other country you can name would be doing much the same things. It has little to do with "communism" as the title of this thread might suggest. A number of you have done nothing but rant about how these stupid commies are just delaying the inevitable and will have to bow to gamers wills, and blah blah blah, yadda yadda yadda... How about instead of taking the chance to rant about a political structure you dislike, why not wake up and look at the ACTUAL problem: People are DEAD over something that could have been prevented. I agree that they are likely going about this the wrong way. If the problem is so pervasive that it's finding it's way into music advertising campaigns (not that I don't love Nine Inch Nails), simply closing cafes and trusting people that are making money to implement restrictions isn't going to work. One really has to ask where the problem stems from, how these addictions start, what about life is so miserable they seek out this escape, and try to actually fix this at it's root. Harsh as it may sound, a shrink could do a person a lot more good in this situation then a cop could. A programmer could easily do all the police work. For example, playing Guild Wars, I know it keeps track of the time you spend online. It could easily transform into, "You have been playing 1 hour. You have been playing 2 hours. You have been playing 3 hours, please take a break. You have been playing 5 hours, you really should log off. You have been playing 8 hours, does your family miss you yet? You have been playing 10 hours, get a life. You have been playing 23 hours, you have 1 hours till we cut you off. No really, don't bother starting another mission, your account will be locked down server side for a duration of 24 hours. Get some sleep." There's the technical side of it, but with millions of other games to turn to, you'll have to eventually address the psychological side of the problem. What does the player get out of the game that makes it so enjoyable to the point where they don't even want to dislodge themselves? What other activities could render the same effect on their consciousness? How can you integrate all this effort and devotion into a productive activity that has a finite ending at which they could rest and recover? Yes, I know, it's not that simple, but everything has a few basic steps when you strip it down to the basics. After all, why do I bother volunteering for a local non-profit when I could spend those hours grinding a character up to a higher level? Because I feel like I'm helping people, because my efforts are preserved in such a way I can later appreciate them, and because people acknowledge and praise my efforts so I feel good about them and myself.
Um...nobody died, the Government just said that to create an atmosphere of fear that will allow them to do whatever they want without being questioned. It is called Propaganda. Do you honestly believe that people will die of fatigue sitting down playing a game? They are not breaking rocks in the hot sun with a guy poking them in the ribs with a bayonet if they slack off. Worst case senario is they will pass out at the keyboard and have a sore neck from sleeping in a chair or maybe bump thier head and have a bruise.
"The liberties and resulting economic prosperity that YOU take for granted were granted by those "dead guys"
And I hate rash generalizations. t(>_<)t Admit it... if people were dying, America, England, and any other country you can name would be doing much the same things. It has little to do with "communism" as the title of this thread might suggest. A number of you have done nothing but rant about how these stupid commies are just delaying the inevitable and will have to bow to gamers wills, and blah blah blah, yadda yadda yadda... How about instead of taking the chance to rant about a political structure you dislike, why not wake up and look at the ACTUAL problem: People are DEAD over something that could have been prevented. I agree that they are likely going about this the wrong way. If the problem is so pervasive that it's finding it's way into music advertising campaigns (not that I don't love Nine Inch Nails), simply closing cafes and trusting people that are making money to implement restrictions isn't going to work. One really has to ask where the problem stems from, how these addictions start, what about life is so miserable they seek out this escape, and try to actually fix this at it's root. Harsh as it may sound, a shrink could do a person a lot more good in this situation then a cop could. A programmer could easily do all the police work. For example, playing Guild Wars, I know it keeps track of the time you spend online. It could easily transform into, "You have been playing 1 hour. You have been playing 2 hours. You have been playing 3 hours, please take a break. You have been playing 5 hours, you really should log off. You have been playing 8 hours, does your family miss you yet? You have been playing 10 hours, get a life. You have been playing 23 hours, you have 1 hours till we cut you off. No really, don't bother starting another mission, your account will be locked down server side for a duration of 24 hours. Get some sleep." There's the technical side of it, but with millions of other games to turn to, you'll have to eventually address the psychological side of the problem. What does the player get out of the game that makes it so enjoyable to the point where they don't even want to dislodge themselves? What other activities could render the same effect on their consciousness? How can you integrate all this effort and devotion into a productive activity that has a finite ending at which they could rest and recover? Yes, I know, it's not that simple, but everything has a few basic steps when you strip it down to the basics. After all, why do I bother volunteering for a local non-profit when I could spend those hours grinding a character up to a higher level? Because I feel like I'm helping people, because my efforts are preserved in such a way I can later appreciate them, and because people acknowledge and praise my efforts so I feel good about them and myself.
Um...nobody died, the Government just said that to create an atmosphere of fear that will allow them to do whatever they want without being questioned. It is called Propaganda. Do you honestly believe that people will die of fatigue sitting down playing a game? They are not breaking rocks in the hot sun with a guy poking them in the ribs with a bayonet if they slack off. Worst case senario is they will pass out at the keyboard and have a sore neck from sleeping in a chair or maybe bump thier head and have a bruise.
That's the thing though, people in Korea and Chine HAVE indeed died after marathon gaming sessions. That is why all these laws are being passed in China, in reaction to those events.
If a person died it was from something other than fatigue and a video game. I think you will find some other cause was at play - drug use, alcohol, over weight, poisoned, etc. In which the person would of died anyway whether playing a video game or not.
"The liberties and resulting economic prosperity that YOU take for granted were granted by those "dead guys"
eh...communist china...?just because they still have the hammer n the sickle?well...the nazis called themselves socialists too..."communist china" insults the communist ideas,not china!
A person can't die from fatigue. A person can't die from playing a video game. If a person died it was from something other than fatigue and a video game. I think you will find some other cause was at play - drug use, alcohol, over weight, poisoned, etc. In which the person would of died anyway whether playing a video game or not.
People can definitely die from severe dehydration & malnutrition, masked by adrenergic stimulation which suppresses appetite & thirst. Ever heard of fight or flight response, in which you don't stop for food/drink when being chased by a lion ?? Hmmm...I wonder where that source of constant stimulation is.
A person can also die from overexcitement leading to uncontrolled seizure which is why many single-player games have epilepsy/seizure warning in first page of their manuals.
Btw, no one dies of overweight directly, it's atherosclerotic disease, hypercoagulative state & hypertension leading to kidney or heart problems that an overweight person is at risk of.
That's quite a mouth full, however at the end of the day as an American I have a choice.
People are hostpitalized here all the time for behaviour that is seen as excessively harmful to a person's wellbeing. You do not as an American have a choice to die. Whether or not a person should or should not have that choice is a WHOLE other can of worms to be opened in a whole different location for discussion.
I am not saying that people shouldn't have the choice to play. But if they are abusing themselves with it, something should be done to help them. As I said, a psychiatrist is the better authority to send some of these kids to rather then the cops.
Originally posted by teddyboy420
That's the thing though, people in Korea and Chine HAVE indeed died after marathon gaming sessions. That is why all these laws are being passed in China, in reaction to those events
Thank you. I do NOT want to get into a pissing match resulting in a he said/she said of international proportions with fingers pointed at media sources and on and on and on.
Originally posted by Wickersham
A person can't die from fatigue. A person can't die from playing a video game.
I agree that gaming is NOT what is killing people, it's the actions of people themselves that result in the death. It's the alteration of brain chemistry and body function that is killing them.
Now, let me emphasize my bluntness by horribly abusing various text formatting utilities.
I do not personally believe that limitation of gaming will solve this problem. I do not believe that this problem is even widely applicable to the mass population. Addictive behaviours and impulse control issues are not seen in the vast majority of the population, nor is there a majority of them in the gaming subsect of cultures. These same behaviours are seen in MANY other places, but gambling addictions don't just shut down casinos, and workaholics don't shut down a buisness, nor do I think those techniques would even have any effect on the issue. Restricting game play or internet access to the masses will not solve this problem, as the problem lies not within the qualities of the game but of the specific player. Efforts should be focused on aiding the individual at risk as one would aid any other person with problems of a psychological nature. Punishing those that are not at any risk will solve nothing.
So yes. This IS a problem. Something SHOULD be done. That doesn't mean the RIGHT thing is being done, or the right aspect of the issue being addressed. NO ONE is saying that ALL gamers worldwide should be cut off at the knees and forced to go cold turkey. Heck, just classifying it and forcing health insurance providers to dish out for stays at the various voluntary rehab facilities that have been erected would be a huge step. There is no need at all for gamers worldwide to feel threatened that their rights are going to overnight be at risk.
~~~~~ "Big surprise... there was no protection by this urban light..."
i love americans, yer like a bunch of little president bush's running around! god its so cute! tickle tickle tickle!
I am not going to comment on the China situation. I dont live there so I dont know how things work. The same should go for idiots like you. You obviously have no clue how a good portion of americans view Bush so you, like me, have no clue about something and should keep your mouth shut. Its funny though, you want to trash americans for voicing there opinion when in fact, your doing the same thing. Does that make you a little bush?
i am not trashing americans for voicing their opinion!
You sound like a complete idiot. That's my opinion.
OT the Chinese govt is probably using some misinformation to justify this move and if it wasn't "dying from exhaustion" they'd be blaming it on something else.
So yes. This IS a problem. Something SHOULD be done. That doesn't mean the RIGHT thing is being done, or the right aspect of the issue being addressed. NO ONE is saying that ALL gamers worldwide should be cut off at the knees and forced to go cold turkey. Heck, just classifying it and forcing health insurance providers to dish out for stays at the various voluntary rehab facilities that have been erected would be a huge step. There is no need at all for gamers worldwide to feel threatened that their rights are going to overnight be at risk.
I like you.
Honestly, I do believe that anyone who died by playing a game too long, is seriously having very BAD issues in his life...and just want the solace of the game and be away from his life.
Why wouldn't someone want to take a break and come back in 10 hours? What is soo bad in their life, that they won't stop? Or maybe they never experience any kind of fun before and they are afraid to stop it, even for a short time?
Even if someone is wasting his life totally, he would take the time to rest in order to play more and better the next day...unless...resting is painfull? Are they 20 sharing 1 bed and...well...
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
Seriously...who plays MMO's for more then 4 hours a day anyway? (I'm asking for it, I know)
But yeah, I'm no fan of the government telling anyone how to live their lives, must stink to live in China. Maybe we should invade on behalf of the oppressed MMO players.
Seriously...who plays MMO's for more then 4 hours a day anyway? (I'm asking for it, I know) But yeah, I'm no fan of the government telling anyone how to live their lives, must stink to live in China. Maybe we should invade on behalf of the oppressed MMO players. Operation China MMORPG freedom.
why not, I'm bout to go waste a year of my life on another operation with freedom in its name, so i'm all for this, maybe something actually good will come from this one! instead of Iraq we should be headed to China to free the opressed gamers!
Seriously...who plays MMO's for more then 4 hours a day anyway? (I'm asking for it, I know) But yeah, I'm no fan of the government telling anyone how to live their lives, must stink to live in China. Maybe we should invade on behalf of the oppressed MMO players. Operation China MMORPG freedom.
why not, I'm bout to go waste a year of my life on another operation with freedom in its name, so i'm all for this, maybe something actually good will come from this one! instead of Iraq we should be headed to China to free the opressed gamers!
We could form a coalition.... of the willing even.
What do I care if some dumb kid dies. He's the idiot for playing so long. Sounds like a personal problem. Clean off the keyboard, mouse, and chair please! Don't want dead dumbass juices on it. It might infect people with more dumbassery. You've got to be absurdly stupid to die from something like that.
If we ever got stupid laws like china then i'm going to canada. Until then i'll play as much or little as I so please understanding my own risk in it. Although I never play more then 6hrs and if I do play 6hrs I don't get on the computer for the rest of the day.. it's called being smart people..
Pretty funny how this is only happening in China.. that's just hilarious.. maybe it's the crammy food.. beats me.. maybe their schools spew out dumbasses.. havn't a clue really.. just strikes me as being very suspicious happening only in China.. sounds like it was a government planned thing.
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They do not tell you in what way fatigue is deadly. I will - if a person suffering fatigue is in a position that endangers his/her life then it is possible that they may die. For example: Some one falls asleep while driving a car. Not someone sitting down at a keyboard.
You hold Psychiatry up as if it is a science. It is not. It cannot be weighed or measured. It is a pseudo-science. The people working in that industry cannot even agree on the simplist cases. You can be the clinical definition of a psychopath in one country but not in another. In fact there are people in that field who suggest that addiction itself does not even exist - what makes thier concepts less valid? A vote? It is no surprise to me that a profession of charlatans will say that thier elixer will cure anything that comes along - even supposed video game addiction.
But that is not the point. That government has had a few problems with the internet over the years and will use any form of propaganda to bring the people in line. It is easier and with less risk to use the WWW to organize protests and be critical of the state then it is in public. Instant forms of communication are dangerous to any state that demands people to observe the states ideology. The anonymity that comes with the internet is dangerous to them.
You are saying please do something that will allow the state to prevent people from learning about and encouraging full DEMOCRACY! Very nice of you.
"The liberties and resulting economic prosperity that YOU take for granted were granted by those "dead guys"
chinas strictness on this has nothing to do with the fact that it is communist.
I see this as a conspiracy between MMO industry & chinese government to milk more money from players. Fewer hours for game = More days it takes to reach level cap = longer period of subscription = More $$ for companies. Everyone knows chinese government is very corrupted and can be bought off with money. Of course, gold sellers can benefit from this too. The only ppl getting screwed by this are players and internet cafe owners.
Big companies love to do business with china; over there they have more freedom to screw ppl. They paid workers little to no money, don't need to care about pollution, and no one dares to sue them because they can use money to influence judges. Corrupted government is the best friend to global capitalists because money talks.
i live in China, i will tell you the truth, my english is limited though. i think many childrenthey including me lack of self-control, sometimes they play games very late, and are not willing to go to school, study, sleep, ...so it's not good for their health and future. even in university , many classmates of mine, they play games like their major is game...they skip classes, they are so addicited to games.... so the government enact some law to help these children. however in China you can still play when you want to play....because the law is one thing...to stick to the law is another thing.... it's not a matter of regime...dudes....by the way , i like NBA and American Idol..my email xing852008@hotmail.com
i live in China, i will tell you the truth, my english is limited though. i think many childrenthey including me lack of self-control, sometimes they play games very late, and are not willing to go to school, study, sleep, ...so it's not good for their health and future. even in university , many classmates of mine, they play games like their major is game...they skip classes, they are so addicited to games.... so the government enact some law to help these children. however in China you can still play when you want to play....because the law is one thing...to stick to the law is another thing.... it's not a matter of regime...dudes....by the way , i like NBA and American Idol..my email xing852008@hotmail.com
So in essence, the law is supposed to compensate for lack of adequate parenting. I get it now....
And by the way, why does everyone always call it 'Communist China'? Is there another china I don't know about that we need to differentiate from?
i live in China, i will tell you the truth, my english is limited though. i think many childrenthey including me lack of self-control, sometimes they play games very late, and are not willing to go to school, study, sleep, ...so it's not good for their health and future. even in university , many classmates of mine, they play games like their major is game...they skip classes, they are so addicited to games.... so the government enact some law to help these children. however in China you can still play when you want to play....because the law is one thing...to stick to the law is another thing.... it's not a matter of regime...dudes....by the way , i like NBA and American Idol..my email xing852008@hotmail.com
An excellent example of the brainwashing you get in China. Goverment tells you what to do and you think it is to "help" you.
i m not so sure if china has much more freedom to screw with people than america these days . personally i think china has every right to do what it wants in its own borders short of human rights violations . just as america has the right to deny its people free unviersal healthcare . i personally think this is a move to protect its people from the sweat shop conditions and long hours that some gold farmers endure or to limit the hours children play . thats a good thing in my book .
i m not so sure if china has much more freedom to screw with people than america these days . personally i think china has every right to do what it wants in its own borders short of human rights violations . just as america has the right to deny its people free unviersal healthcare . i personally think this is a move to protect its people from the sweat shop conditions and long hours that some gold farmers endure or to limit the hours children play . thats a good thing in my book .
Yeah I wish the Gov. had told me when I could do stuff when I was in college.
i live in China, i will tell you the truth, my english is limited though. i think many childrenthey including me lack of self-control, sometimes they play games very late, and are not willing to go to school, study, sleep, ...so it's not good for their health and future. even in university , many classmates of mine, they play games like their major is game...they skip classes, they are so addicited to games.... so the government enact some law to help these children. however in China you can still play when you want to play....because the law is one thing...to stick to the law is another thing.... it's not a matter of regime...dudes....by the way , i like NBA and American Idol..my email xing852008@hotmail.com
An excellent example of the brainwashing you get in China. Goverment tells you what to do and you think it is to "help" you.
Sad.
again thats something that could be applied to a lot of americans . theres a distinct lack of foriegn news in the usa and stations like fox news follow biased right wing agenda .people in glass houses should nt throw stones . chinese children are no more brainwashed than you are
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I am not going to comment on the China situation. I dont live there so I dont know how things work. The same should go for idiots like you. You obviously have no clue how a good portion of americans view Bush so you, like me, have no clue about something and should keep your mouth shut. Its funny though, you want to trash americans for voicing there opinion when in fact, your doing the same thing. Does that make you a little bush?
i am not trashing americans for voicing their opinion!
Drinking causes deaths. It causes auto-mobile accidents. It causes addictions. It causes obesity, if not controlled.
MMOs cannot within themselves kill people. They can't cause auto mobile accidents. They can become addictive and are an outlet for obesity if people aren't wise about playing.
So, there is a big difference, and I must disagree with you.
Blessings,
Did you read the news article?"...several cases involving obsessive players dying of fatigue after marathon game sessions."
MMORPGs apparently kill Chinese people. 4 hours a day is the safest amount of time we can allow Chinese people to play or it may cost them thier lives. If you know a person from China or possibly whos ancestors are from China (studies need to be done in this area) please insure that they are warned that these games might kill them.
I think we should force gaming companies to put on their boxes in big bold letters:
Chinese Surgeon General Warning: MMORPGs have been known to kill Chinese people who have played for more that 4 hours per day. If you are experiencing fatigue related death please consult your doctor immediatly.
"The liberties and resulting economic prosperity that YOU take for granted were granted by those "dead guys"
Some people dont enjoy rl but do enjoy games to get there minds away from rl.
The same people dont really care if they die from gaming atleast they enjoyed the last few days ingame.
I know its sad that people feel this way but the human psychology is strange and some just cant live with the things and thoughts the get put though in rl be the death of a loved one or just a screwed up childhood.
My point is if people wanna die from gaming let em dont take that from em too then u might aswell give em a rope.
That's quite a mouth full, however at the end of the day as an American I have a choice.
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Um...nobody died, the Government just said that to create an atmosphere of fear that will allow them to do whatever they want without being questioned. It is called Propaganda. Do you honestly believe that people will die of fatigue sitting down playing a game? They are not breaking rocks in the hot sun with a guy poking them in the ribs with a bayonet if they slack off. Worst case senario is they will pass out at the keyboard and have a sore neck from sleeping in a chair or maybe bump thier head and have a bruise.
"The liberties and resulting economic prosperity that YOU take for granted were granted by those "dead guys"
Um...nobody died, the Government just said that to create an atmosphere of fear that will allow them to do whatever they want without being questioned. It is called Propaganda. Do you honestly believe that people will die of fatigue sitting down playing a game? They are not breaking rocks in the hot sun with a guy poking them in the ribs with a bayonet if they slack off. Worst case senario is they will pass out at the keyboard and have a sore neck from sleeping in a chair or maybe bump thier head and have a bruise.
That's the thing though, people in Korea and Chine HAVE indeed died after marathon gaming sessions. That is why all these laws are being passed in China, in reaction to those events.
A person can't die from fatigue.
A person can't die from playing a video game.
If a person died it was from something other than fatigue and a video game. I think you will find some other cause was at play - drug use, alcohol, over weight, poisoned, etc. In which the person would of died anyway whether playing a video game or not.
"The liberties and resulting economic prosperity that YOU take for granted were granted by those "dead guys"
eh...communist china...?just because they still have the hammer n the sickle?well...the nazis called themselves socialists too..."communist china" insults the communist ideas,not china!
People can definitely die from severe dehydration & malnutrition, masked by adrenergic stimulation which suppresses appetite & thirst. Ever heard of fight or flight response, in which you don't stop for food/drink when being chased by a lion ?? Hmmm...I wonder where that source of constant stimulation is.
A person can also die from overexcitement leading to uncontrolled seizure which is why many single-player games have epilepsy/seizure warning in first page of their manuals.
Btw, no one dies of overweight directly, it's atherosclerotic disease, hypercoagulative state & hypertension leading to kidney or heart problems that an overweight person is at risk of.
People are hostpitalized here all the time for behaviour that is seen as excessively harmful to a person's wellbeing. You do not as an American have a choice to die. Whether or not a person should or should not have that choice is a WHOLE other can of worms to be opened in a whole different location for discussion.
I am not saying that people shouldn't have the choice to play. But if they are abusing themselves with it, something should be done to help them. As I said, a psychiatrist is the better authority to send some of these kids to rather then the cops.
Thank you. I do NOT want to get into a pissing match resulting in a he said/she said of international proportions with fingers pointed at media sources and on and on and on.
I agree that gaming is NOT what is killing people, it's the actions of people themselves that result in the death. It's the alteration of brain chemistry and body function that is killing them.
Let's take a moment to pick things apart.
fa·tigue: 2 a: weariness or exhaustion from labor, exertion, or stress b: the temporary loss of power to respond that is induced in a sensory receptor or motor end organ by continued stimulation
No that doesn't sound like what I was thinking about. How about...
People who work long hours, those who have a hectic family schedule or a new baby, teens who stay up late and have to get up early for school, and even people whose pets sleep with them may get less sleep than their body needs to be at its best. Over time, this lack of sleep, also called sleep deprivation, can have serious effects on health and relationships. It may even be deadly.
That's a bit closer. Now let's see how this applies to the situation.
Defining Addiction
While most people associate addiction with substances, such as drugs or alcohol, doctors recognize addictive behaviors as well. In a WebMD feature on the definition of addiction, psychiatrist Michael Brody, MD, set forth the following criteria:
1. The person needs more and more of a substance or behavior to keep him going.
2. If the person does not get more of the substance or behavior, he becomes irritable and miserable.
Young says compulsive gaming meets these criteria, and she has seen severe withdrawal symptoms in game addicts. “They become angry, violent, or depressed. If [parents] take away the computer, their child sits in the corner and cries, refuses to eat, sleep, or do anything.”
Technical classification a doctor of psychology would use on one of the unfortunate individuals who first brought attention to gamers:
DSM-IV Code 312.30 Impulse Control Disorder Not Otherwise Specified.
Note that there is current strong debate as to whether to specify gaming addiction within the next edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, or DSM-V which is the.
Now, let me emphasize my bluntness by horribly abusing various text formatting utilities.
I do not personally believe that limitation of gaming will solve this problem. I do not believe that this problem is even widely applicable to the mass population. Addictive behaviours and impulse control issues are not seen in the vast majority of the population, nor is there a majority of them in the gaming subsect of cultures. These same behaviours are seen in MANY other places, but gambling addictions don't just shut down casinos, and workaholics don't shut down a buisness, nor do I think those techniques would even have any effect on the issue. Restricting game play or internet access to the masses will not solve this problem, as the problem lies not within the qualities of the game but of the specific player. Efforts should be focused on aiding the individual at risk as one would aid any other person with problems of a psychological nature. Punishing those that are not at any risk will solve nothing.
So yes. This IS a problem. Something SHOULD be done. That doesn't mean the RIGHT thing is being done, or the right aspect of the issue being addressed. NO ONE is saying that ALL gamers worldwide should be cut off at the knees and forced to go cold turkey. Heck, just classifying it and forcing health insurance providers to dish out for stays at the various voluntary rehab facilities that have been erected would be a huge step. There is no need at all for gamers worldwide to feel threatened that their rights are going to overnight be at risk.
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I am not going to comment on the China situation. I dont live there so I dont know how things work. The same should go for idiots like you. You obviously have no clue how a good portion of americans view Bush so you, like me, have no clue about something and should keep your mouth shut. Its funny though, you want to trash americans for voicing there opinion when in fact, your doing the same thing. Does that make you a little bush?
i am not trashing americans for voicing their opinion!
You sound like a complete idiot. That's my opinion.
OT the Chinese govt is probably using some misinformation to justify this move and if it wasn't "dying from exhaustion" they'd be blaming it on something else.
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Honestly, I do believe that anyone who died by playing a game too long, is seriously having very BAD issues in his life...and just want the solace of the game and be away from his life.
Why wouldn't someone want to take a break and come back in 10 hours? What is soo bad in their life, that they won't stop? Or maybe they never experience any kind of fun before and they are afraid to stop it, even for a short time?
Even if someone is wasting his life totally, he would take the time to rest in order to play more and better the next day...unless...resting is painfull? Are they 20 sharing 1 bed and...well...
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Seriously...who plays MMO's for more then 4 hours a day anyway?
(I'm asking for it, I know)
But yeah, I'm no fan of the government telling anyone how to live their lives, must stink to live in China. Maybe we should invade on behalf of the oppressed MMO players.
Operation China MMORPG freedom.
why not, I'm bout to go waste a year of my life on another operation with freedom in its name, so i'm all for this, maybe something actually good will come from this one!
instead of Iraq we should be headed to China to free the opressed gamers!
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why not, I'm bout to go waste a year of my life on another operation with freedom in its name, so i'm all for this, maybe something actually good will come from this one!
instead of Iraq we should be headed to China to free the opressed gamers!
We could form a coalition.... of the willing even.
What do I care if some dumb kid dies. He's the idiot for playing so long. Sounds like a personal problem. Clean off the keyboard, mouse, and chair please! Don't want dead dumbass juices on it. It might infect people with more dumbassery. You've got to be absurdly stupid to die from something like that.
If we ever got stupid laws like china then i'm going to canada. Until then i'll play as much or little as I so please understanding my own risk in it. Although I never play more then 6hrs and if I do play 6hrs I don't get on the computer for the rest of the day.. it's called being smart people..
Pretty funny how this is only happening in China.. that's just hilarious.. maybe it's the crammy food.. beats me.. maybe their schools spew out dumbasses.. havn't a clue really.. just strikes me as being very suspicious happening only in China.. sounds like it was a government planned thing.
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[ Playing ] Everquest II
[ Waiting ] Aion, Age of Conan
They do not tell you in what way fatigue is deadly. I will - if a person suffering fatigue is in a position that endangers his/her life then it is possible that they may die. For example: Some one falls asleep while driving a car. Not someone sitting down at a keyboard.
You hold Psychiatry up as if it is a science. It is not. It cannot be weighed or measured. It is a pseudo-science. The people working in that industry cannot even agree on the simplist cases. You can be the clinical definition of a psychopath in one country but not in another. In fact there are people in that field who suggest that addiction itself does not even exist - what makes thier concepts less valid? A vote? It is no surprise to me that a profession of charlatans will say that thier elixer will cure anything that comes along - even supposed video game addiction.
But that is not the point. That government has had a few problems with the internet over the years and will use any form of propaganda to bring the people in line. It is easier and with less risk to use the WWW to organize protests and be critical of the state then it is in public. Instant forms of communication are dangerous to any state that demands people to observe the states ideology. The anonymity that comes with the internet is dangerous to them.
You are saying please do something that will allow the state to prevent people from learning about and encouraging full DEMOCRACY! Very nice of you.
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chinas strictness on this has nothing to do with the fact that it is communist.
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Big companies love to do business with china; over there they have more freedom to screw ppl. They paid workers little to no money, don't need to care about pollution, and no one dares to sue them because they can use money to influence judges. Corrupted government is the best friend to global capitalists because money talks.
i live in China, i will tell you the truth, my english is limited though. i think many childrenthey including me lack of self-control, sometimes they play games very late, and are not willing to go to school, study, sleep, ...so it's not good for their health and future. even in university , many classmates of mine, they play games like their major is game...they skip classes, they are so addicited to games.... so the government enact some law to help these children. however in China you can still play when you want to play....because the law is one thing...to stick to the law is another thing.... it's not a matter of regime...dudes....by the way , i like NBA and American Idol..my email xing852008@hotmail.com
So in essence, the law is supposed to compensate for lack of adequate parenting. I get it now....
And by the way, why does everyone always call it 'Communist China'? Is there another china I don't know about that we need to differentiate from?
Evil will always win, because Good is dumb.
Sad.
i m not so sure if china has much more freedom to screw with people than america these days . personally i think china has every right to do what it wants in its own borders short of human rights violations . just as america has the right to deny its people free unviersal healthcare . i personally think this is a move to protect its people from the sweat shop conditions and long hours that some gold farmers endure or to limit the hours children play . thats a good thing in my book .
Perhaps you should move there.
Sad.
again thats something that could be applied to a lot of americans . theres a distinct lack of foriegn news in the usa and stations like fox news follow biased right wing agenda .people in glass houses should nt throw stones . chinese children are no more brainwashed than you are