Im glad their cleaning out serious problems/ bugs before lunch. And for OP, people like you will always complain, no matter what, if it hadn't been the delay, you would have axed them over all the bugs in game anyway... move on and find your next game to complain about, you wont be missed.
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I would actually be less worried for the game if they were being less than open with the community than if they really did not think there would be a delay until just last week.
Covering up the delay until the last possible moment means you could have perfectly competent managers who could have been manipulated by higher brass. Being completely blind-sided by a delay means the managers didn't have their eyes open.
Choosing to delay will only help the game, but Funcom does seems to have a habit of waiting to announce push-backs, giving more warning time would soften the blow a bit, I think.
Last fall, they push out their financials reporting that all is good and on schedule with AoC and less than a week later, BOOM, March 25 is the new delay. Friday, they have a major press conference that all is well and they are commited to March 25 as the release date. Then within two days, Funcom pushes the release date back to May 20. Something stinks at Funcom as one hand has no freak'n clue what the other is doing at that company. They need to get act together and just be honest with us. I believe in companies that push back launches to make games are great as they possibly can. However, I have no respect and will not financial support a company that consistant our right LIES to their community. This is the 6th launch push back and I can deal with that. Last fall, I can see as a mistake in financials going out one week and then the delay going the next. But after a press release where they say they are commited to March 25th as launch day and two days later see a push back to May 20, I don't think so. Enough of the lies and false information. The push back didn't lose you customers, the outright LIES to the community did.
I don't think they have been lying. I work in the software business as well, won't tell you which firm or which field of software, but we had a product launch that was due out today pushed back, the announcement was made today, because we noticed a critical fault in the build that needed to be fixed. I would not call release dates being pushed back lying to your customer base, sometimes these decisions truly are last moment and there isn't much you can do about them.
I agree that pushing the release will be good for bugs, but will it be good for the game? most likely not. Having a release date to close to WAR and Aion will hurt AOC. I wouldnt mind living 8 weeks with some bugs if they patch it 8 weeks later, ive been playing mmos with major bugs a year after release.
To be hornest AOC is not only aimning for the MMO crowd but also Console gamers and I think this will hurt AOC gameplay more then anything else do i want to play a linear console game that try to be a MMO or an MMO thats easy and linear like a console game.
Will AOC be as linear as a console game with added capture the flag and PvP zones for sieges i think it will
Will crafting system offer anything new to MMOs not as far as i can tell.
Will AOC be a 2 week experience yes it will because Funcom want a piece of the casual gamer pie.
Will AOC Fail imho it will because what i want from a game isnt what AOC offer.
ill be looking at WAR if i want PvP and Aion if i want a game i know i wont max my char in 2 weeks.
I agree that pushing the release will be good for bugs, but will it be good for the game? most likely not. Having a release date to close to WAR and Aion will hurt AOC. I wouldnt mind living 8 weeks with some bugs if they patch it 8 weeks later, ive been playing mmos with major bugs a year after release. To be hornest AOC is not only aimning for the MMO crowd but also Console gamers and I think this will hurt AOC gameplay more then anything else do i want to play a linear console game that try to be a MMO or an MMO thats easy and linear like a console game. Will AOC be as linear as a console game with added capture the flag and PvP zones for sieges i think it will Will crafting system offer anything new to MMOs not as far as i can tell. Will AOC be a 2 week experience yes it will because Funcom want a piece of the casual gamer pie. Will AOC Fail imho it will because what i want from a game isnt what AOC offer. ill be looking at WAR if i want PvP and Aion if i want a game i know i wont max my char in 2 weeks.
You obviously don't understand that porting it to console doesn't magically somehow destroy how good it is.
I've played plenty of Console MMO's...in fact its how I got into the genre. EQOA and, to a far lesser degree, PSO. I wouldn't really call PSO an MMO by today's standard though, more like a Diablo type thing with an avatar lobby. Still...EQOA played every bit like every other MMO I have ever tried. In fact...it made the whole game MORE enjoyable because I could sit with the comfort of a controller instead of this stupid bulky keyboard.
Regardless...an MMO is an MMO. I don't think you have anything to fear from "Console" taint. EQOA was a harder game than half the MMO's I've played on PC anyway.
One things I think a lot of gamers do not realize is that many of these companies rely on investors to finance these games. If you think about it, some of these games take up to 50 mil + to make and that is BEFORE they see any profit. There are not a lot fo game company's that can foot that kind of bill upfront. So these company's have to go to investors. Investors are the ones who set the release date, sometimes the money runs out and they have to release (IE Vangard) Release dates are something that most companies cannot control at all, they have to present good arguments for their investors to deley them. Otherwise they are forced to release the game.
AoC devs stated last summer that the game was ready and only needed some polish and set October 30th as the GOLD date (ie the official will release date). Most companies give you estimated dates and then post a gold date that most do follow. AoC then set March 25th as the GOLD date, and guess what, just like last time it was anything but gold.
The game was obviously not finished last summer as reported.
Classe selection has been shrunk once again.
Marketing and devs are on two different pages obviously.
I have been following AoC for years now. All of this is par for the course it seems with this game.
But keep in mind when a company sets a GOLD date that is an official yes it will come out date for all software companies. Funcom has sullied this by constantly moving their GOLD date which is NOT typical for MMOs. Their ESTIMATED release date is what gets moved.
Funcom needs to get its affairs sorted and let both hands know what is going on.
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Last fall, they push out their financials reporting that all is good and on schedule with AoC and less than a week later, BOOM, March 25 is the new delay. Friday, they have a major press conference that all is well and they are commited to March 25 as the release date. Then within two days, Funcom pushes the release date back to May 20. Something stinks at Funcom as one hand has no freak'n clue what the other is doing at that company. They need to get act together and just be honest with us. I believe in companies that push back launches to make games are great as they possibly can. However, I have no respect and will not financial support a company that consistant our right LIES to their community. This is the 6th launch push back and I can deal with that. Last fall, I can see as a mistake in financials going out one week and then the delay going the next. But after a press release where they say they are commited to March 25th as launch day and two days later see a push back to May 20, I don't think so. Enough of the lies and false information. The push back didn't lose you customers, the outright LIES to the community did.
Door meet Shannia's rear end.
Seriously I have no clue how people can get upset a MMORPG that has to be pushed back a bit. If it was to the extreme that Darkfail has done then maybe.. But I rather they push it back a few months then release Vanguard version 2 on us.
Another thing to consider, unlike most companys Funcom actually has brought us a MMORPG already....Not many of the failures that keep pushing back (erm Darkfall) can say that.
------------------------------ You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
The push back didn't lose you customers, the outright LIES to the community did.
Really? I just ordered two collector's editions because they are taking an 8 extra weeks to polish the game.
I remember this game.. called.. Ultima 9.
It was going to be pushed back for about the 50th time. Developer said it needed more polish. People cried on forums saying release it now and we'll deal with it.
So they said ... ok...
A couple days later.. "omg why didn't you take time to polish the game".
No matter how you try to justify your statement. Any developer that actually takes more time (it actually costs them money to do this.. you do reallize that? That whoever is investing in them.. is letting them take more time with no return..) is doing a good thing.. a rare thing.
The game may or may not be good at launch.. but give it a rest... taking more time should ALWAYS be seen as a positive...
How many MMO's have been released to early... versus.. to late?
and your "outright lie" statement.. is in fact.. you being upset that its going to be an extra.. 8 weeks... omg.
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To be honest I can understand since writers in hollywood are trying to gouge even more money out of the studio's... so there is nothing to watch.
I think some things have been forgotten here: AoC devs stated last summer that the game was ready and only needed some polish and set October 30th as the GOLD date (ie the official will release date). Most companies give you estimated dates and then post a gold date that most do follow. AoC then set March 25th as the GOLD date, and guess what, just like last time it was anything but gold. The game was obviously not finished last summer as reported. Classe selection has been shrunk once again. Marketing and devs are on two different pages obviously. I have been following AoC for years now. All of this is par for the course it seems with this game. But keep in mind when a company sets a GOLD date that is an official yes it will come out date for all software companies. Funcom has sullied this by constantly moving their GOLD date which is NOT typical for MMOs. Their ESTIMATED release date is what gets moved. Funcom needs to get its affairs sorted and let both hands know what is going on.
At least this person know what he is talking about.
Do you know why they call it gold date? Because the date is "good as gold" for the release. In fact it is synonomus with the day a game releases. IE the game went gold this xx/xx/xxxx date.
I am not saying Funcom should or should not have delayed, so all you fanboies don't read into this more than there is. It simply the facts.
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Wanting to Play: WAR, TCoS, Darkfall, Aion
I would actually be less worried for the game if they were being less than open with the community than if they really did not think there would be a delay until just last week.
Covering up the delay until the last possible moment means you could have perfectly competent managers who could have been manipulated by higher brass. Being completely blind-sided by a delay means the managers didn't have their eyes open.
Choosing to delay will only help the game, but Funcom does seems to have a habit of waiting to announce push-backs, giving more warning time would soften the blow a bit, I think.
I don't think they have been lying. I work in the software business as well, won't tell you which firm or which field of software, but we had a product launch that was due out today pushed back, the announcement was made today, because we noticed a critical fault in the build that needed to be fixed. I would not call release dates being pushed back lying to your customer base, sometimes these decisions truly are last moment and there isn't much you can do about them.
I agree that pushing the release will be good for bugs, but will it be good for the game? most likely not. Having a release date to close to WAR and Aion will hurt AOC. I wouldnt mind living 8 weeks with some bugs if they patch it 8 weeks later, ive been playing mmos with major bugs a year after release.
To be hornest AOC is not only aimning for the MMO crowd but also Console gamers and I think this will hurt AOC gameplay more then anything else do i want to play a linear console game that try to be a MMO or an MMO thats easy and linear like a console game.
Will AOC be as linear as a console game with added capture the flag and PvP zones for sieges i think it will
Will crafting system offer anything new to MMOs not as far as i can tell.
Will AOC be a 2 week experience yes it will because Funcom want a piece of the casual gamer pie.
Will AOC Fail imho it will because what i want from a game isnt what AOC offer.
ill be looking at WAR if i want PvP and Aion if i want a game i know i wont max my char in 2 weeks.
Yah and if they released to soon and the game had a lot of bugs you would be the first person on these forums complaining about it.
Grow up.
Not true i only post here when bored and a bug wont make me bored with a game crappy gameplay will.
You obviously don't understand that porting it to console doesn't magically somehow destroy how good it is.
I've played plenty of Console MMO's...in fact its how I got into the genre. EQOA and, to a far lesser degree, PSO. I wouldn't really call PSO an MMO by today's standard though, more like a Diablo type thing with an avatar lobby. Still...EQOA played every bit like every other MMO I have ever tried. In fact...it made the whole game MORE enjoyable because I could sit with the comfort of a controller instead of this stupid bulky keyboard.
Regardless...an MMO is an MMO. I don't think you have anything to fear from "Console" taint. EQOA was a harder game than half the MMO's I've played on PC anyway.
One things I think a lot of gamers do not realize is that many of these companies rely on investors to finance these games. If you think about it, some of these games take up to 50 mil + to make and that is BEFORE they see any profit. There are not a lot fo game company's that can foot that kind of bill upfront. So these company's have to go to investors. Investors are the ones who set the release date, sometimes the money runs out and they have to release (IE Vangard) Release dates are something that most companies cannot control at all, they have to present good arguments for their investors to deley them. Otherwise they are forced to release the game.
I think some things have been forgotten here:
AoC devs stated last summer that the game was ready and only needed some polish and set October 30th as the GOLD date (ie the official will release date). Most companies give you estimated dates and then post a gold date that most do follow. AoC then set March 25th as the GOLD date, and guess what, just like last time it was anything but gold.
The game was obviously not finished last summer as reported.
Classe selection has been shrunk once again.
Marketing and devs are on two different pages obviously.
I have been following AoC for years now. All of this is par for the course it seems with this game.
But keep in mind when a company sets a GOLD date that is an official yes it will come out date for all software companies. Funcom has sullied this by constantly moving their GOLD date which is NOT typical for MMOs. Their ESTIMATED release date is what gets moved.
Funcom needs to get its affairs sorted and let both hands know what is going on.
MMO Vet since AOL Neverwinter Nights circa 1992. My MMO beat up your MMO. =S
Door meet Shannia's rear end.
Seriously I have no clue how people can get upset a MMORPG that has to be pushed back a bit. If it was to the extreme that Darkfail has done then maybe.. But I rather they push it back a few months then release Vanguard version 2 on us.
Another thing to consider, unlike most companys Funcom actually has brought us a MMORPG already....Not many of the failures that keep pushing back (erm Darkfall) can say that.
------------------------------
You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
Well the problem that i see is they have not been able to fix sliding on the ground. Thats why i think they are trying to fix.
I remember this game.. called.. Ultima 9.
It was going to be pushed back for about the 50th time. Developer said it needed more polish. People cried on forums saying release it now and we'll deal with it.
So they said ... ok...
A couple days later.. "omg why didn't you take time to polish the game".
No matter how you try to justify your statement. Any developer that actually takes more time (it actually costs them money to do this.. you do reallize that? That whoever is investing in them.. is letting them take more time with no return..) is doing a good thing.. a rare thing.
The game may or may not be good at launch.. but give it a rest... taking more time should ALWAYS be seen as a positive...
How many MMO's have been released to early... versus.. to late?
and your "outright lie" statement.. is in fact.. you being upset that its going to be an extra.. 8 weeks... omg.
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To be honest I can understand since writers in hollywood are trying to gouge even more money out of the studio's... so there is nothing to watch.
Do you know why they call it gold date? Because the date is "good as gold" for the release. In fact it is synonomus with the day a game releases. IE the game went gold this xx/xx/xxxx date.
I am not saying Funcom should or should not have delayed, so all you fanboies don't read into this more than there is. It simply the facts.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine