Vets should resub and change from within

summitus

Maybe just maybe if you guys all resubbed and SOe knew about it then you guys could change things from within,and if SOE saw you all coming back then maybe they would relent and start to put things right.

I know you'll all probably say never in a million years , but hey you know sometimes in an arguement one side or the other  make the first move.

Perhaps SOE need some sort of indication that it will be worthwhile putting the game back the way it was, I was around pre NGE and was only a casual player, but they are trying with every update to make things right and they have conceded they screwed up. So perhaps a little give and take maybe if they saw everyone coming back then change from within could be a distinct possibility .

and please dont flame me its just an idea

Daedalus732

I'm guessing you don't know the history behind the NGE and why most of the vets left.

The SWG developers actually came out and said on the forums that they didn't want the older vets to hang around, and they they were trying to hit a new audience of players.

And they've already said that they will never change the NGE system, so there's no point.

So change just isn't going to happen. And we all know it.

iwantmyswg

we have told the devs that we will only come back if they bring in classic servers or do a rollback to the pre-cu game. we do not like the nge. we do not want to play the nge.

Kyleran

Won't work, SOE would just interpret it as people finally accepting the NGE changes, and wouldn't listen to requests for rollback.

 

daarco

Originally posted by Daedalus732


I'm guessing you don't know the history behind the NGE and why most of the vets left.
The SWG developers actually came out and said on the forums that they didn't want the older vets to hang around, and they they were trying to hit a new audience of players.
And they've already said that they will never change the NGE system, so there's no point.
So change just isn't going to happen. And we all know it.

I realy want to play SWH again, but this is the reason why i wont do it.

EDIT: I have resubed two times to play the NGE......it doesnt work for me : (

Wickersham

You want me to pay them my money on the idea that maybe the game will get better at some point in the future?

Isn't that the SWG motto?

Linna

Originally posted by summitus


Maybe just maybe if you guys all resubbed and SOe knew about it then you guys could change things from within,and if SOE saw you all coming back then maybe they would relent and start to put things right.
I know you'll all probably say never in a million years , but hey you know sometimes in an arguement one side or the other  make the first move.
Perhaps SOE need some sort of indication that it will be worthwhile putting the game back the way it was, I was around pre NGE and was only a casual player, but they are trying with every update to make things right and they have conceded they screwed up. So perhaps a little give and take maybe if they saw everyone coming back then change from within could be a distinct possibility .
and please dont flame me its just an idea

We tried petitions (with HUGE numbers of signatures), we tried logical arguments, we tried suggesting alternatives, we had complete BOOKS of changes we all agreed upon that could improve the game without such radical changes. Two-and-a-half years worth of them. They never listened. Their communications to the playerbase before and after clearly indicates they didn't and do not take us seriously. Why should I go play a game that is completely different from the game I bought in 2003, and that I don't enjoy, just so I can run my head into that wall again?

Linna

Darth_Pete

Originally posted by Wickersham


You want me to pay them my money on the idea that maybe the game will get better at some point in the future?
Isn't that the SWG motto?

I was just wondering the same thing.. SOE would just laugh and roll on the pile of money and not upgrade/fix the game any faster than now.

Suvroc

SOE has proven to me, through SWG, that the potential customer is more valuble to them then their current subscribers.

As proof I'll point out to you that both Beast Master and expertese were attempts to bring back past subscribers, and not really for the benefit of the current playerbase.

Even on the official forums we see talk of how SOE is bringing back elements of the past. Why would they do this if they already have your sunscription and your money?

Unknown

Already tried that, and failed.  Why do you think I stayed around as long as I did, attended the summits, etc?

They wouldn't listen.

SOE never has had an honest open meeting with the players, they always set preconditions that prevent any reasonable compromise from being reached.

 

Prime8

summitus

            You guys really are getting desperate for players , but hey at least your bumping up the post count in the Vet Refuge

        The vets made every first move possible , we were rewarded with forum bans and being told straight out "we dont want you here move on" I think you should do a little research and come back when you know what your talking about .

        I think the vets sent a fair "indication" to SOE when the majority of them (and the player base) left the game and have kept up protests for over two years on boards where we dont get banned for telling the truth .

 

cheers

DarthRaiden

Didn't work.

my

ROLLBACK TO 27.04.2005

and

BRING BACK PRE CU

threads got deleted and me got banned.

 

Azayzel

SOE screwed up from the start.  They had a unique game which I loved more then any other I had ever played when it came out.  They saw the success of some other games and thought they needed to follow the same guide lines to get more people and screwed everything up.  I'd still be playing if it was how it was when the game came out. 

I had fun every second I played the game and wish it had never changed.  When they decided to completely change Creature Handlers or whatever they were called I knew this game was going to take a wrong turn, so I left.  I did come back and try the CU and it was a complete nightmare.  I'd come back if they put it back to the old days but they never will.  If they do I'll be back.

Daffid011

Originally posted by Wickersham


You want me to pay them my money on the idea that maybe the game will get better at some point in the future?
Isn't that the SWG motto?

I agree whole heartedly.

 

I have no intention of ever joining the SOE fan club so that I can repeat such slogans as "The game is much better than it was at launch", "The devs are really listening to the players now" and my favorite "The next patch will fix it and should be out soon (tm)".

 

A company doesn't learn from its mistakes when people continue to hand them money and handing them additional unearned money doesn't reinforce good business practices.

 

BushMonkey

paraphrased "If you don't like the changes then by all means go play someone else's game" 

  how can we go back when they have an attitude like that?  i have yet to see a retraction of that statement

Burntvet

I can't blame the OP for being ignorant, and I mean that in the objective sense of the word, that he simply doesn't know how SOE behaves as he hasn't been through it, and we have.

SOE doesn't give a damn about what the players want, or think or care about or enjoy. SWG vets in the past have tried petitions, mass emails, phone calls to SOE's office, even to Smed's home and office, if you believe some of the posters, and not a bit of made any difference. They care about one thing and one thing only.... money.

And why should I give SOE $15/mo for a game they ruined? It would be enabling the bad corporate behavior that made them do this crap in the first place. Nope.

SOE will not be getting my money again.

Avos

Originally posted by summitus


Maybe just maybe if you guys all resubbed and SOe knew about it then you guys could change things from within,and if SOE saw you all coming back then maybe they would relent and start to put things right.
I know you'll all probably say never in a million years , but hey you know sometimes in an arguement one side or the other  make the first move.
Perhaps SOE need some sort of indication that it will be worthwhile putting the game back the way it was, I was around pre NGE and was only a casual player, but they are trying with every update to make things right and they have conceded they screwed up. So perhaps a little give and take maybe if they saw everyone coming back then change from within could be a distinct possibility .
and please dont flame me its just an idea

SOE/LA have betrayed our trusts so many times that it's beyond comprehension that we would give them another penny of our money.

If losing 3/4 of your PAYING playerbase in 1 month after the release of the NGE isn't enough to force change for SOE/LA then they aren't going to change.

SWG will keep limping along as the scourge of the MMO industry until another SW MMO comes out, which is hopefully early next year.

SioBabble

Change from within?

Only if one of us manages to get Smed's job and then be able to persuade the talented developers SOE let get away (or more likely dropped because their services diverted revenue from Smed's hookers and booze slush fund) to come back to fix this mess called SWG.

Me, I long ago figured out that money was the only thing SOE loves, and the only way to send them a message about my displeasure with the crap they call work was to deny them any money from me.

SOE so has its collective head up its posterior that even the cancelling of tens of thousands of accounts did not persuade them that their course of action was folly.

GreenHell

Originally posted by Kyleran


Won't work, SOE would just interpret it as people finally accepting the NGE changes, and wouldn't listen to requests for rollback.
 

  Exactly.

KzinKiller

It's kind of cute that some people still think that the *next* time Lucy puts the football down for Charlie Brown, she won't pull it away cruelly at the last moment and mock him.

Paying SOE for the privilege of being hosed by Smedley's lackeys is not something I'm ever going to line up for again.

Mathos

Is it fun now are there pony's to ride still lol

 

ill pass on going back was in swg for too many years and had to put up with to many lies

summitus

Originally posted by Burntvet


I can't blame the OP for being ignorant, and I mean that in the objective sense of the word, that he simply doesn't know how SOE behaves as he hasn't been through it, and we have.
SOE doesn't give a damn about what the players want, or think or care about or enjoy. SWG vets in the past have tried petitions, mass emails, phone calls to SOE's office, even to Smed's home and office, if you believe some of the posters, and not a bit of made any difference. They care about one thing and one thing only.... money.
And why should I give SOE $15/mo for a game they ruined? It would be enabling the bad corporate behavior that made them do this crap in the first place. Nope.
SOE will not be getting my money again.

Well I'm not ignorant of the history of SWG and the NGE in fact as I've stated before I played SWG from release and still play it now ( all be it only casually now ).

I'm just tryin to get people to think of a different approach thats all I'm not tryin to upset anyone or anything. But as I said they have been making improvements and slowy very slowly it might end up as ggod as it was before .

All I'm saying is maybe just maybe with more players change will happen more quiclky.

I love the Star WArs Universe as much as any fan and I collect stuff read stuff play all the games etc,and when SWG appeared it was like a dream come true to actually become a character in the SW universe , I know there's been a huge scew up with this game but even with the changes I at least still find the game enjoyable to play ( especially the Space Combat ) and even tho I dont or did'nt like the NGE either I've stuck with it because I wont give up the oppurtunity to play as a character in a Universe that I love.

blotz

as a first response i had a very sarcastic comment in mind

 

but i think that you are honestly just trying a different approach

 

the problem is you forgot that we allready tried it from inside

and a few  people still try it

 

just look at the forum there are tons of "ideas how to" improve the game or just change it from horrible to not that horrible

 

the old forums were full of it .. so much that nearly nobody had even the time to read it

 

AND IT ALL GOT IGNORED AND STILL GETS IGNORED

 

just look at what conted was added

the hp of an npc multplipied with 10000 and the extra ability to one hit kill .... and calling it HEROIC ENCOUNTER

please just look at it with your own eyes .... we are here because was saw it allready

 

Raston

Are they going to bring back the classless, ability based game?  No

Are they going to remove the hybrid FPS crap combat?  No

Are they going to get rid of the idiots who blantantly and openly screwed their subscribers?  No

There is no point in trying to change a closed mind and Smed's mind is not only closed, it is encased in carbonite.

Burntvet

 

Originally posted by summitus


 
Originally posted by Burntvet


I can't blame the OP for being ignorant, and I mean that in the objective sense of the word, that he simply doesn't know how SOE behaves as he hasn't been through it, and we have.
SOE doesn't give a damn about what the players want, or think or care about or enjoy. SWG vets in the past have tried petitions, mass emails, phone calls to SOE's office, even to Smed's home and office, if you believe some of the posters, and not a bit of made any difference. They care about one thing and one thing only.... money.
And why should I give SOE $15/mo for a game they ruined? It would be enabling the bad corporate behavior that made them do this crap in the first place. Nope.
SOE will not be getting my money again.

Well I'm not ignorant of the history of SWG and the NGE in fact as I've stated before I played SWG from release and still play it now ( all be it only casually now ).

 

I'm just tryin to get people to think of a different approach thats all I'm not tryin to upset anyone or anything. But as I said they have been making improvements and slowy very slowly it might end up as ggod as it was before .

All I'm saying is maybe just maybe with more players change will happen more quiclky.

I love the Star WArs Universe as much as any fan and I collect stuff read stuff play all the games etc,and when SWG appeared it was like a dream come true to actually become a character in the SW universe , I know there's been a huge scew up with this game but even with the changes I at least still find the game enjoyable to play ( especially the Space Combat ) and even tho I dont or did'nt like the NGE either I've stuck with it because I wont give up the oppurtunity to play as a character in a Universe that I love.

 

That's fine, for you, but why should any of us PAY for a game that the vast majority of former SWG players hate on the off chance that the same company that ruined it, might one day wake up and realize "Hey, we totally wrecked SWG, let's try to fix it." NOT going to happen, and even more, not on my dime. Not after all the BS over the years about how they were going to fix this and they know about bugged that and did NOTHING to fix it.

I am glad you like your game (because it is not my game anymore, and hasn't been, and won't be, short of classic servers). But it is still, fundamentally, the same game 200k+ of us have left. There has been a little window dressing here and some new so called "content" there thrown in, in an attempt to distract the existing playerbase (that being you) from how broken the totality of the game has become, and to slow the continued bleeding of subs.

If playing in a shallow, broken, bug-filled SW universe is enough to earn your $15/mo, then SOE has succeeded. For the overwhelming majority of us, who stuck with the game through years of SOE mismanagement, enough became enough at some point.

SOE got all the chances they ever will from most of us. And will not get another. Not for the cash/subs they desperately need to keep SWG running.

They made the choices and now they can live with the consequences.

rejad

I already did this, my sub ran out just a month ago finally.

And I wasn't even calling for anything incredibly drastic.  General Expertise to emulate at least part of the old skill system, group XP and the ability to grind for respecs, and a few other things.  Everytime I posted something like this I'd get shouted down by the NGE cheerleaders about how rollbacks will never happen, even though I've never asked for one.

There model for the game is based on WoW, just using the things that make WoW bad (endless raids and a system that rewards people who ebay currency) without realizing what made that game successful (nearly lag and bug-free).

They've made it very clear that they do not intend to bring back any of the things that made SWG unique and good while leaving the things in that made the game bad.  Sorry, man.