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A Sad Ending To A Great Game =(

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  • daywalker27daywalker27 Member UncommonPosts: 148

    I played SWOTN a month ago. Got boring.

     

    But for your entire fight w/ Prystatsoi and boomer, or w.e your namers were..

     

    I can easily say Pryo guy can't be to far off about corrupt GM's. I played Knights Online for 2 years. The amount of drama, lack of effort in banning hackers, and corrupt GMs was a turn off for me. K2 took a great game like KO and made it basically if you use cash shop you are the best player in PVP...

     

     

  • GreenHellGreenHell Member UncommonPosts: 1,323

    I wouldnt say that the patch has destroyed the game but leveling is now more of a pain in the ass than people that dont play this game can possibly understand. It goes far beyond normal grinding. There is simply no where near enough content to keep you interested once you start getting up there in levels.With no auto defend it is just easier and less frustrating to stand in one place and grind than it is to explore a dungeon. Thats a damn shame because the dungeons are pretty cool even though there is very little reason to go through most of them other than exploration.

    While the healers are supposed to auto heal while in defend mode I have found this feature to not always be reliable. On more than one occasion I found myself slamming the space repeatedly and they still just stand there doing nothing. It is annoying to say the least. The issue with the elementalist is just as annoying but I can deal with changing the stances. At least they attack when they are supposed to.

    I dont really know why they got rid of the auto defend. It makes very little sense to me. It sure isnt going to stop the botters or gold farmers. How hard is it to make your bot program push the space bar or click the defend tab. Not very. The only people this move hurt was the actual players. I dont mind not really being able to afk. Since the updates before the patch I get DC'd so often it isnt even worth afking. I am ok with that. The game is  just not as fun as it once was.

  • K.o.v.eK.o.v.e Member Posts: 227

    Originally posted by GreenHell


    I wouldnt say that the patch has destroyed the game but leveling is now more of a pain in the ass than people that dont play this game can possibly understand. It goes far beyond normal grinding. There is simply no where near enough content to keep you interested once you start getting up there in levels.With no auto defend it is just easier and less frustrating to stand in one place and grind than it is to explore a dungeon. Thats a damn shame because the dungeons are pretty cool even though there is very little reason to go through most of them other than exploration.
    While the healers are supposed to auto heal while in defend mode I have found this feature to not always be reliable. On more than one occasion I found myself slamming the space repeatedly and they still just stand there doing nothing. It is annoying to say the least. The issue with the elementalist is just as annoying but I can deal with changing the stances. At least they attack when they are supposed to.
    I dont really know why they got rid of the auto defend. It makes very little sense to me. It sure isnt going to stop the botters or gold farmers. How hard is it to make your bot program push the space bar or click the defend tab. Not very. The only people this move hurt was the actual players. I dont mind not really being able to afk. Since the updates before the patch I get DC'd so often it isnt even worth afking. I am ok with that. The game is  just not as fun as it once was.

    I agree completely as if I were saying it.

    I honestly dont see wehy they made most of these changes. I had the same problem with the healers never always responding to my orders but if completely elimininating the auto heal feature was the solution I just think thats stupid. Same goes for the auto defend, I agree its not going to stop gold farmers or botters just eliminate afk leveling making this game more of a grind.

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  • SahkmethSahkmeth Member UncommonPosts: 10

    Ok i did the beta for this game and played it until the last stage. That was like (damn i cant remember.. early 2007???) I was there when they had the disconnect-if-were-to-afk-grind thing. Then they did take it out cuz' it sucked. Then I enjoyed the rest of the game til the beta ended. The said it was gonna be P2P but u could still play but there would be a level cap of like 30 and because my family was 28, I lost interest. The best thing, to my taste, in this game are the BGM and the costumes of the characters... I wish there were a "download the game music" link. I think that will be the only thing related to this game worth downloading

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  • omniskillzomniskillz Member Posts: 48

    dunno why ppl hate on this game so much.

    its the best f2p game i played period.

    maybe i missed all the horrible things ppl are talking about ( only started playing 2 weeks ago)

    made 2 accounts. 1 is level 62 and leveling is getting harder now

    and other is level 53.

    aside from the botters who are mainly vis farmers i love the game.

    seeing the vis farmers is really upsetting as i feel they ruin the integrity of the game.

     

    theres been alot of patching goin on lately. and i feel the game will steadily improve as someone has said they are starting to follow to asian server models in patching process.

    this game reminds me of diablo but in a grander mmo sense.

    seriously if ur not playing this game 24/7 at the keys and ur only playing a hour or so.. how can u not have fun?

    u run into a dungeon and theres tons to kill, u spam ur super cool powers kill beechez and hoz and run a rampage in to the mobs, hell its beautiful.

    and then u go back to ur afk leveling while u watch tv, web browse, or sleep i mean .... whats there to hate?

    corrupt gms? well no sshiiizzle. thats life . ppl are corrupt. the dirtiest thing on the planet is the human heart. and ofcourse the scariest thing on the planet is a human being.

  • K.o.v.eK.o.v.e Member Posts: 227

    Originally posted by omniskillz


    dunno why ppl hate on this game so much.
    its the best f2p game i played period.
    maybe i missed all the horrible things ppl are talking about ( only started playing 2 weeks ago)
    made 2 accounts. 1 is level 62 and leveling is getting harder now
    and other is level 53.
    aside from the botters who are mainly vis farmers i love the game.
    seeing the vis farmers is really upsetting as i feel they ruin the integrity of the game.
     
    theres been alot of patching goin on lately. and i feel the game will steadily improve as someone has said they are starting to follow to asian server models in patching process.
    this game reminds me of diablo but in a grander mmo sense.
    seriously if ur not playing this game 24/7 at the keys and ur only playing a hour or so.. how can u not have fun?
    u run into a dungeon and theres tons to kill, u spam ur super cool powers kill beechez and hoz and run a rampage in to the mobs, hell its beautiful.
    and then u go back to ur afk leveling while u watch tv, web browse, or sleep i mean .... whats there to hate?
    corrupt gms? well no sshiiizzle. thats life . ppl are corrupt. the dirtiest thing on the planet is the human heart. and ofcourse the scariest thing on the planet is a human being.

     

    I totally agreed with you before the recent changes.... The game was loads of fun and the best f2p at least I have ever tried. Maybe people are being a little harsh on the latest patch to say the game is over and is totally ruined. I still find it fun but just alot less enjoyable I still play it from time to time though...

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  • PyrostasisPyrostasis Member UncommonPosts: 2,293

    Originally posted by boommer99


     
     
    Originally posted by Pyrostasis


     I was banned for the forums, for pointing out K2's lies. Simply check my history here on SOTNW forums and you can easily see my points were valid.
    No, you were banned from the forums for spouting lies, like you are now.  Let's look together shall we?
     K2 does nothing about botting.
    LIES!  I have seen a number of players banned for botting on Vesp.  I don't play on other worlds so maybe it's different there.
    K2 GM and Head GM lied about removing a botter.
    Proof?
    K2 took the game from Pay 2 play to free 2 play RIGHT after the first month subscription. I.E. took the money and ran.
    Several companies have made the decision to go F2P before after being P2P.  I am  not sure how after the first month subscription could equate to the last week of Augwhen the game launched on July 10th.  And most beta players got a free month as well.  Also,
    K2 had 0 communication about their p2p change.
    So?  It seemed like it was really rushed and last minute to me.
    K2 had 0 communication about their up coming patches
    Umm? 2 podcasts, a ton of posts and 2 emails was zero communication?
    K2 had a mod who openly flirted with people and made a few off color sexual comments, she was then fired.
    Who Melisande? What the heck are you talking about?  Do you even know?  She got a job with another company.  Sylvanie also moved onto a position with another company.  What proof do you have that either were fired?
    K2 Reduced the channels on the game with 0 notice.
    Agree, but so did Singapore when they launched 2.4 imho.
    K2 let the game ride for over six months with out a single bug fix.
    Read the forums they already said why this happened and it was tied to the changes they added (Lock defend mode and character creation).  K2 has been VERY open about issues they have as they arise since the F2P fiasco.
    K2 had a cash shop that as of november first was 2x the cost of the singapore version.
    Maybe you should look at it now.  Once again, what you are not saying is not correct information.
    Neume said that ALL versions would get nerfed UPCS.  A Month later we find out only SOTNW would get them. We were told they would fix it "soon" in august. The fix finally came through in JANUARY.
    See above about changes happening slowly.  K2 Network has already responded to why things happened.
    K2 does NOT ban botters on the first offense. First offense is 24 hour ban, then 72 hour ban, then perma ban. This means you can bot to damn near 100 and not get nailed.
    True, but the reason they were doing this is they couldn't prove legally a player was botting, they can now in 2.4. (P.S. sGE does the same thing).
    All of the above are FACTS that I have shown and proven. All of the above are major reasons why NOT to play the game. If you wish to say Im "Butthurt" go right ahead. The facts speak for themselves.
    Your "facts" are anything but.  Again, you sound like a player who was banned and is still upset.  And every point you have made just furthers this appearance.
    And, my game account is still usable... not sure where you got the whole Im banned thing.
    Wow... I nearly missed this little gem of a post.

    I was banned from the forums by melisande back in September for saying she wasnt posting about the issues because the heat was to hot and she was hiding and only responding in welcome posts. She told me to edit my post. I told her that It was true, she had been avoiding the issues, and pointed out the three posts she had made that week were all in the welcome area. She told me it didnt matter, she wanted me to apologize and edit my post. I told her she was a mod she could edit it herself if she so chose.

    She then banned me from the forums. I created a new account and was told I could post, but my old account would no longer be usable. I assume this was due the the rather angry pm's I got from Meli and had planned on posting on my site. Now that Im banned on that account those pms are locked and I can access them to screen shot. Why else would they ban my forum account but let me rejoin?

    2 weeks after my ban, and bringing the pm's up to higher ups in K2 she was "Gone". According to Neume she had left the company and legally he was not allowed to say why. Only time your not allowed to say why... is due to a firing. Otherwise you can say she took another job else where and we wish her luck.

    Doesnt take a genius to see what happened.

    Im glad you have seen folks banned on vespanola... but there are quite a few botters that are well known that k2 leaves alone.

    You wanted proof about one botter? Well take a look at this thread

    A GM finally after three weeks of filing tickets about an individual appeared and told me he was going to be banned. She removed him from the game in front of me, and the next day he was back. I ticketed again, and contacted the GM directly. Was told it would be dealt with.

    Two weeks later it hadnt been dealt with. I msg'ed Neume (the head GM) and showed him the thread, informed him of the situation and he told me it would be taken care of in 72 hours.

    2 months later the guy was still botting... thats a lie at 2 stages of K2 management, and its proven in the link. Soak it up fanboi.

    About their communication or lack there of, from July - November there was 0 forwarning about updates. We were told the servers would be coming down, and a rough estimate, but no clue what was going to be in the patch, or if there even was one. TONS of begging and pleading on our part to get future info was met with "K2 producers dont want to inform you of what we have in process as if something doesnt happen we dont want the backlash" and thus we were told nothing.

    We would get patch notes after the server went down... but there was never any word prior.

    Its funny how K2 has run such a shoddy show, yet you look at singapore and they seem to do updates EXTREMELY frequently were everyone knows in advance what is going to happen.

    They launched after SOTNW yet they had colony wars from day one, cheap cash shop, and a much more bug free system. Its the same product...K2 dropped the ball, thats apparent to anyone not drinking the koolaid.

     

    So Boomer if you would like to continue the debate, feel free. Most of my arguments are well documented at www.vespanola.com on the second page and beyond. Its clear K2 is at fault.

  • LimonesLimones Member Posts: 95

    I am currently downloading the game client. I've been downloading for 3 hours now and I still have 2.5 hours more to go. But this Topic makes me kinda sad. It seems that all people really do is bash the game and making me think that I'm downloading the game for nothing. But... I've come this far, sacrificed time and bandwidth for this... I will play the game, just to get an impression off it. I seriously hope you guys are wrong and that this game will become my new MMO addiction!

  • PyrostasisPyrostasis Member UncommonPosts: 2,293

    The game can be fun to play, hell I have 1000 hours+ invested in it, but Im not a big fan of the people running the game, poor communication, promises never fullfilled and even flat our bold face lies turned me away for good.

  • rieinriein Member Posts: 19

    actually you can auto attack now, they got a new patch that fixed all that and the game runs fine, also they have a new bot reporting system. i like it

    Heroes dont die, they just reload.

  • K.o.v.eK.o.v.e Member Posts: 227
    Originally posted by riein


    actually you can auto attack now, they got a new patch that fixed all that and the game runs fine, also they have a new bot reporting system. i like it



    Oh wow thats good to hear I might just have to pay SOTNW another visit.

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  • OrthedosOrthedos Member Posts: 1,771

    Originally posted by Andros


    As far as i'm concerned most games don't actually require you to play anyway, not to think. As soon as you find a formula to levelling whether its complex or straight forward it becomes meaningless, grindings always been this way. The thing i liked about this game was that you didn't have to sit at your computer until the wee hours of the morning to get to higher levels.  But if you wanted to level up more quickly then you could do that at the keyboard, or you could pvp or lobby hunt with a squad.
    The reason taking away auto defend makes such a difference is that the game is flawed without it. Like someone else said it was made from the start with auto defend in mind. An example of how the game is now flawed:
    I have an elementalist in my team, he has to walk everywhere, other characters run, the other two characters in my team run to a group of mobs now i have to press defend in order to get them to attack, i press defend, my elementalist has to stop walking which means he can't get to the group of mobs, my two other characters are left to take on the group and i have to go back to my elementalist single target him and get him to the battle. By the time i fiddle around getting him there either the mobs are dead or my characters are dead. The only way around this is to constantly switch stances which is too much of a pain in the neck for me to bother. Or to stay in one place the entire levelling time.
    Now people who've never played this game why are you commenting on a change in a game that you've never played.     
    First if people find it meaningless to play the game till high level, why develop the low levels of the game.  There is no need to code the low levels, since no one is "PLAYING" it.  Just develop an empty screen with a clock counting the number of hours and feed levels in proportion to time online.  Save the efforts of coding for levels where it matters, that is, where people start looking at the screen and not AFK.  By the way, what do you do after you hit high levels?  Go AFK elsewhere?

    Second, if the design is so stupid that you cannot coordinate a team easily, shoot the designer.  Loading up a game, going AFK b/c you cannot bear to play it in person does not make sense to me.  I think there are more ways to torture myself, and being tortured by a stupid designer is not my choice.

    Why do people talk about a game they have not yet played?  Why not?  I am curious about a game which is designed in a way where players find it necessary to go AFK in order to play it.  Once they cannot go AFK they quit.  To me this is a funny design.  As for why the others come here to talk?  I do not know, ask them.  I do know that is not against the law, so maybe just let them talk.

  • rieinriein Member Posts: 19

    And Sword of the New World is COMPLETeLY FREE now.

    Heroes dont die, they just reload.

  • ArckenArcken Member Posts: 2,431
    Originally posted by boommer99


     
     
    Originally posted by Pyrostasis


     I was banned for the forums, for pointing out K2's lies. Simply check my history here on SOTNW forums and you can easily see my points were valid.
    No, you were banned from the forums for spouting lies, like you are now.  Let's look together shall we?
     K2 does nothing about botting.
    LIES!  I have seen a number of players banned for botting on Vesp.  I don't play on other worlds so maybe it's different there.
    K2 GM and Head GM lied about removing a botter.
    Proof?
    K2 took the game from Pay 2 play to free 2 play RIGHT after the first month subscription. I.E. took the money and ran.
    Several companies have made the decision to go F2P before after being P2P.  I am  not sure how after the first month subscription could equate to the last week of Augwhen the game launched on July 10th.  And most beta players got a free month as well.  Also,
    K2 had 0 communication about their p2p change.
    So?  It seemed like it was really rushed and last minute to me.
    K2 had 0 communication about their up coming patches
    Umm? 2 podcasts, a ton of posts and 2 emails was zero communication?
    K2 had a mod who openly flirted with people and made a few off color sexual comments, she was then fired.
    Who Melisande? What the heck are you talking about?  Do you even know?  She got a job with another company.  Sylvanie also moved onto a position with another company.  What proof do you have that either were fired?
    K2 Reduced the channels on the game with 0 notice.
    Agree, but so did Singapore when they launched 2.4 imho.
    K2 let the game ride for over six months with out a single bug fix.
    Read the forums they already said why this happened and it was tied to the changes they added (Lock defend mode and character creation).  K2 has been VERY open about issues they have as they arise since the F2P fiasco.
    K2 had a cash shop that as of november first was 2x the cost of the singapore version.
    Maybe you should look at it now.  Once again, what you are not saying is not correct information.
    Neume said that ALL versions would get nerfed UPCS.  A Month later we find out only SOTNW would get them. We were told they would fix it "soon" in august. The fix finally came through in JANUARY.
    See above about changes happening slowly.  K2 Network has already responded to why things happened.
    K2 does NOT ban botters on the first offense. First offense is 24 hour ban, then 72 hour ban, then perma ban. This means you can bot to damn near 100 and not get nailed.
    True, but the reason they were doing this is they couldn't prove legally a player was botting, they can now in 2.4. (P.S. sGE does the same thing).
    All of the above are FACTS that I have shown and proven. All of the above are major reasons why NOT to play the game. If you wish to say Im "Butthurt" go right ahead. The facts speak for themselves.
    Your "facts" are anything but.  Again, you sound like a player who was banned and is still upset.  And every point you have made just furthers this appearance.
    And, my game account is still usable... not sure where you got the whole Im banned thing.

    MMO zealotry at its finest.

  • GuintuGuintu Member UncommonPosts: 320

    Now I know who the botters are in the games I play.  I like it that you can't AFK level, while playing this game I never AFK leveled anyway.  Have any of you played games like Rainbow 6 where you have to control several characters?  You have to pay attention to them but thats what makes the game more fun because its challenging.  This is a fun game, one of the best.

  • coruncorun Member Posts: 61

    I play the original english "Granado Espada", not "Sword of the new world" (which is a copy) and in the original game those features were not removed. My PC at home is in dungeon camp mode right now...

    I never played "Sword of the new world".

    So if you want those features back, uninstall "Sword of the New World" and start playing the original game for free by downloading and registering here:

    http://ge.iahgames.com

    And maybe there's other features as well that never made it into "Sword of the new world"....

    Have fun :)

    edit:

    Just want to make a note of the fact that the GE servers are different servers and if you start playing there you won't have your Sword of the new world chars available. You'll have to start over with a new in game family.

    edit2:

    Just to clarify what I do when I AFK level because maybe it was even easier at some point:

    I place my chars at a strategically good point in a dungeon and then set them to "Auto-Attack Mode".

    If a character gets knocked back it can happen that it would loose that mode and you would have to set it again manually.

  • GuintuGuintu Member UncommonPosts: 320
    Originally posted by corun


    I play the original english "Granado Espada", not "Sword of the new world" (which is a copy) and in the original game those features were not removed. My PC at home is in dungeon camp mode right now...

    I never played "Sword of the new world".
    So if you want those features back, uninstall "Sword of the New World" and start playing the original game for free by downloading and registering here:

    http://ge.iahgames.com
    And maybe there's other features as well that never made it into "Sword of the new world"....
    Have fun :)
    edit:

    Just want to make a note of the fact that the GE servers are different servers and if you start playing there you won't have your Sword of the new world chars available. You'll have to start over with a new in game family.
    edit2:

    Just to clarify what I do when I AFK level because maybe it was even easier at some point:

    I place my chars at a strategically good point in a dungeon and then set them to "Auto-Attack Mode".

    If a character gets knocked back it can happen that it would loose that mode and you would have to set it again manually.

    SOTNW isn't a copy of GE, its the American version of it with a different name.  Same game just different publisher and name.

  • boommer99boommer99 Member UncommonPosts: 309

    Originally posted by corun


    I play the original english "Granado Espada", not "Sword of the new world" (which is a copy) and in the original game those features were not removed. My PC at home is in dungeon camp mode right now...

    I never played "Sword of the new world".
    So if you want those features back, uninstall "Sword of the New World" and start playing the original game for free by downloading and registering here:

    http://ge.iahgames.com
    And maybe there's other features as well that never made it into "Sword of the new world"....
    Have fun :)
    edit:

    Just want to make a note of the fact that the GE servers are different servers and if you start playing there you won't have your Sword of the new world chars available. You'll have to start over with a new in game family.
    edit2:

    Just to clarify what I do when I AFK level because maybe it was even easier at some point:

    I place my chars at a strategically good point in a dungeon and then set them to "Auto-Attack Mode".

    If a character gets knocked back it can happen that it would loose that mode and you would have to set it again manually.
    1. Sword is not a copy, it is the NA/EU version.

    2. sGE's servers are located in Singapore, play at your own lag risk.

    3. sGE DOES NOT HAVE LOCK DEFEND MODE!  YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!

    4. Yes, you can still AFK fine in both Sword and sGE.

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  • PyrostasisPyrostasis Member UncommonPosts: 2,293

    I like how you called me a liar boomer, and then I provide evidence to the contrary, and you ignore it

  • thekwongthekwong Member Posts: 5

    as far as i know, in all versions of Granado Espada (SOTNW is the American server's name), afk leveling is possible. In all versions, if you get knocked down, you have to reset your characters so they can attack and heal again beacsue their stanced has changed.


    anyways, to those that "complain" about the grind, try playing another korean mmorpg. Even without afk leveling, SOTNW is one of the less grindy games because AOES make leveling so fast. I hit level 100 long long long time ago with a a few level 50-70 alts. The reason I quit is because how unbalanced the game is at late game.


    This is single handidly the MOST item based game ever. A level 100 with 84 Elite armor and weapons can kill 10 families without elite 84's because those 10 families will never or rarily even hit someone with 84 elite armor. Not only that, if you think you will get some 84 elites, good luck. Besides being able to buy some recipes, the only other way is to raid for them. Sounds fun? hardly. On the server I was on, three clans were on the top and PK'd any other guild that attempted a raid. How is that possible? Raids are instances. If you summon a raid boss, another clan can easily come inside your raid, kill you all, and then kill the boss.


    Oh, sound like fun? a little competition? Not really when their clan has enough 84 elites and you can't hit anything because your weapons aren't good enough.


    Now lets take it a bit further ahead in time. You can now buy recipes for 84 elites (but getting the materials sucks). Oh! Now everyone's on fair game right? Wrong. Now those guilds that beat you with 84 elites have 100 elites while you now have 84 elites. Once again, you can't touch them.


    This game ruins itself because of its EXTREME item dependency. You hardly need any skills to play this game at all if you have the items.


    So lesson is: if you're in that top guild, have fun playing, but you'll quit eventually because no one new challanges you because they can't.


    If you're not in that guild, ouch. Good luck ever experiencing the end game content.

  • DeltorDeltor Member Posts: 47

    I smell a GM or two....

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  • boommer99boommer99 Member UncommonPosts: 309
    Originally posted by Pyrostasis


    I like how you called me a liar boomer, and then I provide evidence to the contrary, and you ignore it

    I am no longer responding to anything you say.  The last time I did you got me banned for a very dumb reason so, nothing you say is important in any way.

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  • PyrostasisPyrostasis Member UncommonPosts: 2,293

    How in the world did I get you banned?

  • bertlerenbertleren Member Posts: 31

    i think that k2 network make graet games but a half year when thay give a new patchit crash all of the game down (they is bad after patching).

    why do they destroy their own games

                                                       

    and their is a lot of hacking to in the games

     

    i have also try the game

  • turnipzturnipz Member Posts: 531

    The only problem I had with the game was the auto heal, and the auto everything, without it the game might be worth playing.

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