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sooooo...what should be done about genocides in africa?
bluberryhaze
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unfortunately there is no africabodycount.org.com.net.ru.de , but i hear its in the millions...good old fashioned machete/rifle butchering of entire villagers, women, children, babies.
curious, would it be wrong for benevolent groups of nations to get together and act on atrocites of this nature?
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I don't care what other nations do, but as for the US, no we don't belong there any more than we do in any other sovereign nation. We have rather pressing concerns of our own to deal with. It sucks for the Africans, I'm sure, but ultimately it's their issue to deal with.
Now, should they offer to purchase our services with regards to destroying their infrastructure, and then have Haliburton come in and blackhole billions of dollars of taxpayer money with no oversight, then I'm sure something could be arranged by the administration. Barring that, or the sudden discovery of oil in Africa, the US just doesn't feel a pressing need to export Democracy to the countries there.
Tribal wars such as these have been going on for hundreds of years. They need to resolve the conflict on their own. No middleman (a la U.N.) is going to fix it permanently. Such is the way of the Shiites and Sunnis. They will always hate each other as long as they let their religions rules their lives. There is a reason behind the conflicts. Those who started need to finish it.
make a movie about it starring leonardo de caprio??????????
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sooooo...what should be done about genocides in africa?
The same thing thats should be done about Global Warming : We need to unite under a global goverment.Impower this Federal Global goverment to use the military of the nation states of the the ...............NEW ORDER......
Trade in material assumptions for spiritual facts and make permanent progress.
since this smoke n mirrors is just a game to you all, ill play
this would describe me best it seems
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alignment_(Dungeons_&_Dragons)#Chaotic_good
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There is nothing "benevolent" about the United Nations and its member Nations, particularly where it comes to Africa. If the UN or any of its members "act", know it is simply because we have found another way to screw African's out of their natural resources with-out providing them a fair bargain in the process.
Let China handle it, they're the experts on human rights violations.
Hah, let's forget what torture happens in your own back yard? Guantanamo bay, Iraq? China has nothing on US human rights violations.
Secret US flights bringing detainees into the US without any legal basis:
http://www.ghostplane.net/flightlog
It's over 3000 flights.
Amount of deaths since the US invaded Iraq: 80.000
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/
Don't point fingers unless yours are clean....
Well in order for the land of the free [America]to do anything at all about it Africa has to have certain criteria in order to make it worthwhile first.
- A leadership that the President has a dislike for.
- A Kooky religion [i.e. not a bible humper].
- MUST have lots of free oil and gas [i.e. free as in doesnt belong to America].
- Must have a plausible sob story to act as justification for an invasion.
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
Apparently, they could have helped the UN with the Dafur crisis and helped people there, bring in medical supplies and help resolve the conflict..instead they choose to kill thousands of people in Iraq.
clinton apologized in 2002(2004?) for not doing anything. my question, would he not do anything all over again?
how about today we pitch in some money and get some people evacuated from their villages in the xhair of this inhumanity?
or how about we give em a choice. hey want to be a slave in europe or america? or would you rather face this mutilation some punk warlord has in store for you. would that pull your politically correct lying heartstrings?
you people talk like democrats, but, i suspect something is preventing you all from being completely honest. you know you want to stop that bloodshed...but wont give in to your own egos.
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well, since we are all human and this is international forums, i correlate democrats to a given idealogy, same thing with republicans.
to look introspectively at myself and be honest with you all id have to say im just stirring the pot. pointing out gaps in popular opinion to perhaps let others see what i see. at the same time, i am also stroking my own ego thinking ive accomplished it with every post.
i would choose to rescue africa. evacuate the innocent and place troops on the ground. form a 'coalition of the willing' and take out the head that is ethnically cleansing its populace. i would rinse and repeat until we didnt have a savage leadership in the varying nations of africa. this would only be done when evidence of genocide is taking place. civil war is not what this is.
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perhaps my original reply wasnt directed at you?
it would seem our meaning of the word atrocity differs. there is no polite way to run a war.
abu ghraib...ahh, a college prank. what do you get when you leave 18-24 year olds in the desert left to their own devices? donald rumsfeld being fired.
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I just interpreted your second paragraph to be an extremist view.
your requirements are impossible.
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Ive been to university, i did some pretty fu**ed up shit there, this does not mean that i should be compared to a prison guard trusted with the wellbeing of 100's of detainees. The point you brought up about 18-24yo left in the desert to their own devices is interesting though. As this is exactly what is going on across the whole of the Iraq region. Now THAT is a scary thought, especially considering the number of casualties to come out of this war. Or is that a college prank as well.
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See, if you have 2 sons, and they fight each other, and come for your regulations...if you give in, they will always ask for more, and more, and more, never settling anything by themselves.
Dad, dad, Bob sneezes on me! Dad, Dad, Dad, Bob eats my candy. Dad, Dad, Dad...
Do you want to infantilize Africa? I don't. I already have too many responsabilities, I don't want more.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
my logic tells me I cannot argue with you Nasica. An impossible fight of ideals.
on a larger scale, say 1k years from now, when individual reasons aren't sighted and larger perceptions rule the day, I would win this arguement.
a good day to you sir.
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You can't be serious, can you? I know we are far from perfect, but saying that we overshadow China in human rights violations is naive.
im a chess player, ive a bishop and a queen left
got the baby and cant comment further.
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If anything, genocide in Africa should be Europe's responsibility...colonialism screwed up Africa (and Iraq, too) to where it is now.
Just curious,when you say Africa are you talking one specific region (Darfur, Kenya, Ehtiopia/Eritriea) or the entire continent?
Just wanting to clarify before I jump into the discussion.
"If we don't attack them, they will attack us first. So we'd better retaliate before they have a chance to strike"
Lol i thin someone needs to read up a bit and reexamin that post.
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
Lol i thin someone needs to read up a bit and reexamin that post.
Why, he is partly right. Sure, America helped to further screw it up during the Cold War and even now but Belgium, France & England certainly f'ed up Africa well before America got involved. Incidentally, the Wests "help" is still rather lacking. France is already in good with the current regime in Sudan, so they obviously are very happy to allow Darfur to continue as is (which is why they don't back the current strife as "genocide"). Italy, America, England etc. are pushing the "genocide" issue hard because they certainly would love to get troops landed in the area so they can "help" (reading screwing over the native population with some poor assed deal).
Well let the US stay out this time, last time we went in to africa the world screamed at us, just like now with iraq, so we left , and told you guys be prepared for the genocide to follow. Looks like you all didnt get prepared.
Not our fault, nor should we even try to handle it again, we tried in the 90's but everyone else said we were worse than anything else. This is your anything else.
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.