I love how all of you are arguing over game mechanics you have NO idea about since the game ISNT EVEN OUT YET AND YOUVE NOT EVEN PLAYED IT.
sigh.
its speculaltion. there is no problem having a discussion about twinks even if we don't know the mechanics of this game. but we don't need to. we know the mechanics of other games and saying what we would and would not like to see in AoC.
If twinking can be defined as follows... Attempting to build a character that is perceived by it's creator to be optimal in terms of attributes, abilities and skills at it's given level. ...then I dont see anything wrong with it, providing it does not significantly unbalanced certain areas of the game to the detriment of other players. Twinking as I am familiar with it is primarily based around PvP but even if you are able to make some form of PvE twink in certain games, it shouldn't threaten the balance of that game if managed properly. If someone creates a twink that can run a whole instance solo, I don;t really care as long as I'm not affected. Perhaps certain low-level items will sky-rocket in value, but I'll either get them myself or simply level until they are of no consequence to me anyway. If someone creates a twink that has extremely well-tuned PvP kit and rapes me in an arena, I don't really care so long as the option to build a smiliar character was equally available to me and skill played a greater part than items. My only xp of twinking is from WoW where I think there are issues with twinks: kit has too much of an impact over skill and many twink items aren't attainable unless you have a high-level main. This doesn't stop me from twinking, but does spoil BGs a bit for those who aren't/can't twink. If Blizzard made it possible to twink but reduce the advantage and cost of end result, BGs would be fantastic and the playing field a lot more level. If Funcom takes note and makes twinking available but better managed in AoC, they have a winner for gamers like myself.
Well put and pretty much exactly what I was trying to say. And to the part about Items that aren't attainable unless you have a high-level main, in WoW I twinked a 29 rogue without a main, and yes, you can go to azgalor server on wow and ask anyone who played 29 bgs before the BC came out and find out my character Akido was not a half ass twink. Twinking in WoW at least was available to everyone and will most likely be the same in AoC if they include a system that allows twinks.
If someone creates a twink that can run a whole instance solo, I don;t really care as long as I'm not affected.
And how in the world are you not affected if those same people bring those SAME TWINKS THAT CAN SOLO INSTANCES into the PVP battles?...
If they can solo Elite bosses what in the hell do you think they will do to you and your friends?
OMG what in the **** is wrong with you people?
God I can't wait untill someone makes a game where you "easy mode" scrubs cant twink your way into hiding the fact that you suck. Then agian noone will probably play that game for the above reason.
------------------------------ You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
If someone creates a twink that can run a whole instance solo, I don;t really care as long as I'm not affected.
And how in the world are you not affected if those same people bring those SAME TWINKS THAT CAN SOLO INSTANCES into the PVP battles?...
If they can solo Elite bosses what in the hell do you think they will do to you and your friends?
OMG what in the **** is wrong with you people?
God I can't wait untill someone makes a game where you "easy mode" scrubs cant twink your way into hiding the fact that you suck. Then agian noone will probably play that game for the above reason.
stop crying
FYI most twink have a main. they arn't putting on easy mode just to piss you off. idk why you call it easy mode. yes its easier in the sense everyone can have a fair chance i.e. a 29 with good gear is a lot easier than a 60 with good gear. its a lot more practical to make a twink if you prefer the challenge. we arn't there to kill the lesser equipped opponents. we are there to fight the other twinks
is it the same thing if you cap out at say 60 and another 60 comes along with uber gear and massive enchants and destroys you? thats easy mode he has an unfair advantage.
idk what you are calling "easy mode" about it. can you please explain?
i am sorry but i still dont see any place in this game for twinking pre 70.
i dont see any dungeons pre 40 and the game is solo til 20.
where the hell does twinking come into this game?
p.s i dont consider it twinking if its 1-20 levels below max level because u have already practically played the whole game again (aside from endgame).
MMO wish list:
-Changeable worlds -Solid non level based game -Sharks with lasers attached to their heads
i am sorry but i still dont see any place in this game for twinking pre 70.
i dont see any dungeons pre 40 and the game is solo til 20.
where the hell does twinking come into this game?
p.s i dont consider it twinking if its 1-20 levels below max level because u have already practically played the whole game again (aside from endgame).
im talking about PvP twinking where everyone has the best armor and enchants at a set level. for WoW it was mostly 19 and 29. then they would join up a BG and fight other twinks. its more a challenge and more practical than twinking out the level cap.
i guess tinybina is talking about PvE twinking. which in WoW isn't a factor. considering when you kill lthings you get XP which means leveling. which is against the PvP twinking idea.
either there is a huge misconception here or they are just an idiot.
If someone creates a twink that can run a whole instance solo, I don;t really care as long as I'm not affected.
And how in the world are you not affected if those same people bring those SAME TWINKS THAT CAN SOLO INSTANCES into the PVP battles?...
If they can solo Elite bosses what in the hell do you think they will do to you and your friends?
OMG what in the **** is wrong with you people?
God I can't wait untill someone makes a game where you "easy mode" scrubs cant twink your way into hiding the fact that you suck. Then agian noone will probably play that game for the above reason.
How the hell is twinking any different then getting the best gear possible at level cap? You are a damn ignorant cry baby. Just because you can not figure out how to twink (which as i said above is easy), your going to hate twinks. You need to grow up and use logic before you start typing. A true twink does not go into a PvE zone in fear of exp gain and leveling.
A low level twink is no different then a level cap'd main with uber gear. You need to grow up and stop crying about this because it has been proven that there is no difference between a level capped guy with the best gear possible and a level 20 with the best gear possible. Twinks are easier to make then a level caps main with the best gear thus making a much more even playing field. Stop making a fool of yourself and learn to adapt and use logic instead of cry about how you couldn't learn to survive. That old saying of "survival of the fittest" and you are definately not fit.
In terms of a game "where you easy mode scrubs" there are many games out like that. Any game you play turns into that game. You obviously do not use your mind and it becomes easy mode to kill you. I believe there is a place of refuge for you though... Link is here ===> www.ima-carebear-scrub.com
I dont have a problem with players twinking with their Mains. It is part of the game that needs to be regulated by the dev's. Capping armor and weapons and items are always a good way to go about it. Make sure the correct level uses the correct equipment.
To me, twinking is just a time saver used this way...
... and something I have to live with.
PS: Yes, I have done it before. Its just that I rarely reach end game, so I dont use an Alt (to twink) very often.
_____________________________ *This thread contains enough compressed stupidity to erase all science as far back as the middle ages.
Seeing as how Funcom already produces the most twink-centric MMO around (AO) I suspect they will be very concientious about such that aspect in AoC, and I think they will steer away from it. Certainly from the buff aspect it sounds like they are not going to allow chars to be buffed up by bigger chars and then able to roam about solo with sustaining OSB (OutSideBuffs). I'm sure chars who are in powerful guilds with high level mains and tradeskillers will be able to equip much-better-than-average armor but that is probably all the 'gear' edge they can get. The rest would appear to rely on the combat skills of the individual and their teammates.
As for the subject of twinking in general, and AO specifically. Twinking is a fairly cerebral endeavor, often involving spreadsheets and weeks, even months, of careful work; and it is one of the reasons some ppl play certain MMO's in the first place. It's a fair playfield, in as much as that anyone can do it if they 1st build the main chars to fund the effort. Most twinks are geared for PvP but not all. In AO, for example, there are tons of lvl 60,100, and 150 twinks designed to shine in Places like ToTW, Foremans, and Sector 10. Whether AoC will have dungeons at certain levels that will attract people to attempt to build twinks to shoulder the workload for orgmates remains to be seen.
It would be nice to hear some comments from the Dev's on this sort of thing.
I am sure "twinking" is the least of the devs worries right now lol. I don't know, twinking was always kinda fun (especially in old school eq1 giving your iksar monk a fungi tunic 2 batons and a CoF lol). For the most part it is just a higher levels alt who is bored with part of the upper end content and wants to re-role to see how much a$$ can be kicked with his/her twink.
i am sorry but i still dont see any place in this game for twinking pre 70.
i dont see any dungeons pre 40 and the game is solo til 20.
where the hell does twinking come into this game?
p.s i dont consider it twinking if its 1-20 levels below max level because u have already practically played the whole game again (aside from endgame).
im talking about PvP twinking where everyone has the best armor and enchants at a set level. for WoW it was mostly 19 and 29. then they would join up a BG and fight other twinks. its more a challenge and more practical than twinking out the level cap.
i guess tinybina is talking about PvE twinking. which in WoW isn't a factor. considering when you kill lthings you get XP which means leveling. which is against the PvP twinking idea.
either there is a huge misconception here or they are just an idiot.
No im not only talking about PVE twinking, I guess im just speaking another language here since it's obvious its not English to you folks.../sigh No disrespect to you TDU13, this is to every twink lover in this thread in general.
Anyone who played Anarchy Online (FUNCOMS OTHER MMO) understands what I mean by twinking.. In that game (atleast when I played) there was no PVP gear or PVE gear.. If your character was strong agianst AI chances were it was strong agianst players.
Twinks that could SOLO INSTANCES were absolutly unstopable on the PVP field unless another twink was fighting them. People who played WOW and never played AO have no idea what a real overpowerd twink is. AO's twinks were ridiculous... When you see a lvl 19 crat running around with a lvl 50 PET you know something is wrong....
And to put that in WOW terms for you MMO nooblest, imagine a lvl 10 NE hunter running around with a lvl 50 Cat....Now put that same hunter into a Instance, PVP battle ground , or World PVP. Yeah thats all we need right? For people to be able to do that... Well (and pay attention cause this is where I seem to be losing alot of you...) in ANARCHY ONLINE FUNCOMS OTHER TITLE, it was possible...
All im saying is that I hope to god they don't allow twinking agian cause when you think about it thats just plain wrong. But going by the responses in this thread most of you would like to play on Easy mode, perhaps one day someone will open up a service that will let you pay them to push the buttons for you while you sit back and drink Kool-aid.
------------------------------ You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
i am sorry but i still dont see any place in this game for twinking pre 70.
i dont see any dungeons pre 40 and the game is solo til 20.
where the hell does twinking come into this game?
p.s i dont consider it twinking if its 1-20 levels below max level because u have already practically played the whole game again (aside from endgame).
im talking about PvP twinking where everyone has the best armor and enchants at a set level. for WoW it was mostly 19 and 29. then they would join up a BG and fight other twinks. its more a challenge and more practical than twinking out the level cap.
i guess tinybina is talking about PvE twinking. which in WoW isn't a factor. considering when you kill lthings you get XP which means leveling. which is against the PvP twinking idea.
either there is a huge misconception here or they are just an idiot.
No im not only talking about PVE twinking, I guess im just speaking another language here since it's obvious its not English to you folks.../sigh No disrespect to you TDU13, this is to every twink lover in this thread in general.
Anyone who played Anarchy Online (FUNCOMS OTHER MMO) understands what I mean by twinking.. In that game (atleast when I played) there was no PVP gear or PVE gear.. If your character was strong agianst AI chances were it was strong agianst players.
Twinks that could SOLO INSTANCES were absolutly unstopable on the PVP field unless another twink was fighting them. People who played WOW and never played AO have no idea what a real overpowerd twink is. AO's twinks were ridiculous... When you see a lvl 19 crat running around with a lvl 50 PET you know something is wrong....
And to put that in WOW terms for you MMO nooblest, imagine a lvl 10 NE hunter running around with a lvl 50 Cat....Now put that same hunter into a Instance, PVP battle ground , or World PVP. Yeah thats all we need right? For people to be able to do that... Well (and pay attention cause this is where I seem to be losing alot of you...) in ANARCHY ONLINE FUNCOMS OTHER TITLE, it was possible...
All im saying is that I hope to god they don't allow twinking agian cause when you think about it thats just plain wrong. But going by the responses in this thread most of you would like to play on Easy mode, perhaps one day someone will open up a service that will let you pay them to push the buttons for you while you sit back and drink Kool-aid.
well now that you gave us some insight to what YOUR problem was we can accually make sense of what you are saying. Twinking is different in AO than it was in WoW. ok great. you shoiuld have stated WHY it was so bad to begin with. i guess game developers can't change ideas or what? whats wrong with the twinks we are talking about? nothing....
instaed throwing out the whole idea of twinking (i.e. giving xp for PvP) how about they just change it? wouldn't that be more suitable? AoC is almost completely different than AO was. this is going to be a top game people play. im not saying AO doesn't have a lot but they are putting a lot of money into this i think they took the feedback people we're giving them from AO and used some of it in this game to make it better. obviously taking twinks out of the game is going to piss a lot of people off. i just don't see why they would take it out.
i am sorry but i still dont see any place in this game for twinking pre 70.
i dont see any dungeons pre 40 and the game is solo til 20.
where the hell does twinking come into this game?
p.s i dont consider it twinking if its 1-20 levels below max level because u have already practically played the whole game again (aside from endgame).
im talking about PvP twinking where everyone has the best armor and enchants at a set level. for WoW it was mostly 19 and 29. then they would join up a BG and fight other twinks. its more a challenge and more practical than twinking out the level cap.
i guess tinybina is talking about PvE twinking. which in WoW isn't a factor. considering when you kill lthings you get XP which means leveling. which is against the PvP twinking idea.
either there is a huge misconception here or they are just an idiot.
No im not only talking about PVE twinking, I guess im just speaking another language here since it's obvious its not English to you folks.../sigh No disrespect to you TDU13, this is to every twink lover in this thread in general.
Anyone who played Anarchy Online (FUNCOMS OTHER MMO) understands what I mean by twinking.. In that game (atleast when I played) there was no PVP gear or PVE gear.. If your character was strong agianst AI chances were it was strong agianst players.
Twinks that could SOLO INSTANCES were absolutly unstopable on the PVP field unless another twink was fighting them. People who played WOW and never played AO have no idea what a real overpowerd twink is. AO's twinks were ridiculous... When you see a lvl 19 crat running around with a lvl 50 PET you know something is wrong....
And to put that in WOW terms for you MMO nooblest, imagine a lvl 10 NE hunter running around with a lvl 50 Cat....Now put that same hunter into a Instance, PVP battle ground , or World PVP. Yeah thats all we need right? For people to be able to do that... Well (and pay attention cause this is where I seem to be losing alot of you...) in ANARCHY ONLINE FUNCOMS OTHER TITLE, it was possible...
All im saying is that I hope to god they don't allow twinking agian cause when you think about it thats just plain wrong. But going by the responses in this thread most of you would like to play on Easy mode, perhaps one day someone will open up a service that will let you pay them to push the buttons for you while you sit back and drink Kool-aid.
well now that you gave us some insight to what YOUR problem was we can accually make sense of what you are saying. Twinking is different in AO than it was in WoW. ok great. you shoiuld have stated WHY it was so bad to begin with. i guess game developers can't change ideas or what? whats wrong with the twinks we are talking about? nothing....
instaed throwing out the whole idea of twinking (i.e. giving xp for PvP) how about they just change it? wouldn't that be more suitable? AoC is almost completely different than AO was. this is going to be a top game people play. im not saying AO doesn't have a lot but they are putting a lot of money into this i think they took the feedback people we're giving them from AO and used some of it in this game to make it better. obviously taking twinks out of the game is going to piss a lot of people off. i just don't see why they would take it out.
Your joking right? I mean I clearly stated in the first freaking post what the problem was, perhaps you should L2read better which in turn will help you understand better.
Maybe next time I should post in crayon so you victims of America's Public School system will understand.
------------------------------ You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
i am sorry but i still dont see any place in this game for twinking pre 70.
i dont see any dungeons pre 40 and the game is solo til 20.
where the hell does twinking come into this game?
p.s i dont consider it twinking if its 1-20 levels below max level because u have already practically played the whole game again (aside from endgame).
im talking about PvP twinking where everyone has the best armor and enchants at a set level. for WoW it was mostly 19 and 29. then they would join up a BG and fight other twinks. its more a challenge and more practical than twinking out the level cap.
i guess tinybina is talking about PvE twinking. which in WoW isn't a factor. considering when you kill lthings you get XP which means leveling. which is against the PvP twinking idea.
either there is a huge misconception here or they are just an idiot.
No im not only talking about PVE twinking, I guess im just speaking another language here since it's obvious its not English to you folks.../sigh No disrespect to you TDU13, this is to every twink lover in this thread in general.
Anyone who played Anarchy Online (FUNCOMS OTHER MMO) understands what I mean by twinking.. In that game (atleast when I played) there was no PVP gear or PVE gear.. If your character was strong agianst AI chances were it was strong agianst players.
Twinks that could SOLO INSTANCES were absolutly unstopable on the PVP field unless another twink was fighting them. People who played WOW and never played AO have no idea what a real overpowerd twink is. AO's twinks were ridiculous... When you see a lvl 19 crat running around with a lvl 50 PET you know something is wrong....
And to put that in WOW terms for you MMO nooblest, imagine a lvl 10 NE hunter running around with a lvl 50 Cat....Now put that same hunter into a Instance, PVP battle ground , or World PVP. Yeah thats all we need right? For people to be able to do that... Well (and pay attention cause this is where I seem to be losing alot of you...) in ANARCHY ONLINE FUNCOMS OTHER TITLE, it was possible...
All im saying is that I hope to god they don't allow twinking agian cause when you think about it thats just plain wrong. But going by the responses in this thread most of you would like to play on Easy mode, perhaps one day someone will open up a service that will let you pay them to push the buttons for you while you sit back and drink Kool-aid.
well now that you gave us some insight to what YOUR problem was we can accually make sense of what you are saying. Twinking is different in AO than it was in WoW. ok great. you shoiuld have stated WHY it was so bad to begin with. i guess game developers can't change ideas or what? whats wrong with the twinks we are talking about? nothing....
instaed throwing out the whole idea of twinking (i.e. giving xp for PvP) how about they just change it? wouldn't that be more suitable? AoC is almost completely different than AO was. this is going to be a top game people play. im not saying AO doesn't have a lot but they are putting a lot of money into this i think they took the feedback people we're giving them from AO and used some of it in this game to make it better. obviously taking twinks out of the game is going to piss a lot of people off. i just don't see why they would take it out.
Your joking right? I mean I clearly stated in the first freaking post what the problem was, perhaps you should L2read better which in turn will help you understand better.
Maybe next time I should post in crayon so you victims of America's Public School system will understand.
O boy! Another pompous arrogant person trying to look down upon the U.S...
BTW, You need to seriously stop bitching and learn to adapt and survive or gtfo.
"Twinks that could SOLO INSTANCES were absolutly unstopable on the PVP field unless another twink was fighting them. People who played WOW and never played AO have no idea what a real overpowerd twink is. AO's twinks were ridiculous... When you see a lvl 19 crat running around with a lvl 50 PET you know something is wrong...."
If I see a lvl 19 crat in AO with a lvl 50 pet, I'd ask him why such a gimpy pet?
Understand that it is one of Funcom's goals in AO to allow for such 'twinking' and a significant portion of their paid subscribers stay in the game for that and the resultant PvP action. It is a considerable point of pride for ppl to build twinks at various levels that can solo dungeons that average teams would have a hard time with.
AoC is clearly being designed differently. At a glance, one can see it won't have anywheres near the 'twinking' potential(separate PvP and PvE armor sets, for example). Just what will be possible remains to be seen.
But cries of '"FC will screw up AoC by allowing twinks because they screwed up AO by allowing them" don't wash at all.
Returning to my previously suggested definition of twinking (punctuation error fixed)…
Attempting to build a character that is perceived by it's creator to be optimal in terms of attributes, abilities and skills at its given level.
Blizzard no doubt implemented PvP level ranges in Warcraft battlegrounds so players could reach a certain and PvP as an alternative to questing/grinding (which is where twinks found there niche). Once they were bored, they could then return to questing. This served to break-up the monotony of questing with PvP, but also created alternative playstyle for casual PvPers who couldn’t afford to kill day-and-night to achieve Gladiator or Raid sets. It opens-up the game to a wider range of players and allows for replay value, but there are issues because a) the impact it has on gameplay is subjective and b) if Blizzard identifies the overall financial effect to be positive/neutral (i.e. it encourages/attracts more players to the game than it causes to leave), there would be no business case to change the system.
Optimising a character within its level bracket should only raise issues in the following instances:
1) Twinking as an option is not equally available to every player in terms of prerequisites, i.e. you MUST have a character of a certain type/level to be able to twink.
2) The extent to which you can enhance your character has such an impact on overall game mechanics that it becomes almost a mandatory option, hard to avoid or devalues other in-game achievements significantly.
3) The player of the game is not prepared to put in the required effort at that level and resents others for their commitment to playing the game in a way that doesn’t fit within the aggrieved players expectations of ‘what the game is about’. However, if criteria 1 and/or 2 are met, the player has a genuine reason to be unhappy about the state of the game.
What some posters are suggesting is something akin to demanding every fly-weight, banter-weight and middle-weight boxer stuff their faces with food so they gain mass and must then fight in heavy-weight bouts, because they assume heavy-weight bouts are the ‘pinnacle’ of boxing and what every boxer must aspire to. /deepbreath
Not every MMO player has the time or inclination to see the game through to the end; most certainly do not wish to repeat the process ad-infinitum once the storylines has become familiar. To force subscribers to play the game in this manner will only serve to drive away a significant player-base of people who don’t have the time for power gaming or simply don’t have the attention span/dedication to see the games storylines through to conclusion.
As driving such a market away doesn’t make business sense, it’s likely all gaming companies will tolerate or even encourage twinking to capture and retain the aforementioned audience.
Playing: Ableton Live 8 ~ ragequitcancelsubdeletegamesmashcomputerkillself ~
I tried asking this question in Avery's thread that he posted prior to him leaving for his trip. I don't know if he just forgot or just doesn't know or what. So I will ask it agian to anyone that does have the information. Will people be allowed to twink their lower level characters like they could/can do in Funcoms other MMO Anarchy Online and like you are able to do in WOW? Its a simple question but for some reason people avoid it like the plague.... To me this is just one of those game breaking game mechanics that I personally would rather have left out. And for the people that will whine and complain and say there is nothing wrong with equiping your character with the best gear at that level, your absolutly right.. But there is a problem with being able to equip gear/enchants/buffs that were not intended for that level... In Anarchy Online A level 19 character could twink him self up so good that he could have the NTU space to run around with about 5 or so level 200 buffs which lasted a hour a peice.. I won't even get into what that did to pvp when you had a level 19 twink with level 200+ HealoverTimes, Damage shields, Strength buffs, etc running around... I actually was able to make a level 59 doctor twink that could solo group instances (bosses and all) all by himself... For those of you that play WOW just think of a level 39 priest that could SOLO SM Cath.... Thats just 2 examples there are many more (exp in WOW) where it is now twink city in PVP.. Not to mention it ruins the games enconomy...Since it seems like every piece of grear that has a 7-9 as the last number is like triple or more the price that it used to be prior to everyone and there daddy making twinks.
sorry but i don't see anything wrong there... you did not say anything about a level 20 having a level 50 pet. all you said was you could get some nice buffs. you are talking about PvE.
"For those of you that play WOW just think of a level 39 priest that could SOLO SM Cath...." WoW
people don't do that. its stupid. they use their twinks for PvP. if someone was gonna solo SM CAth they would just ause thier main. not buff out and got all the enchants for thier 39 just so they could level to 40 and have them be no good.
i think someone brought this up about the economy before. but if you are buying these really nice items for you're level its plain stupid. since you are going to out grow them fairly shortly. they charge a lot for the twinks that will keep them forever. who cares if that nice blue for lvl 29 is 50G. you shouldn't care.
but you avoided my question in my last post didn't you.
"instaed throwing out the whole idea of twinking (i.e. giving xp for PvP) how about they just change it? wouldn't that be more suitable? AoC is almost completely different than AO was. this is going to be a top game people play. im not saying AO doesn't have a lot but they are putting a lot of money into this i think they took the feedback people we're giving them from AO and used some of it in this game to make it better."
hey why don't just put level caps on buffs like they did in WoW. ZOMG problem solved. don't even bash others reading comprehension skills. obviously im not the only who didn't understand what you were talking about. L2 write comprehensively so you can convey your point.
O noes! I think I hear the waahhhhambulance coming to pick up tinybina.
You say L2 write? How about you L2 adapt... Something that every MMO should make you do and actually most have a goal of making you do. For me this isn't even about twinks anymore, its about shutting up one of those people that can't adapt and cry constantly about it. Those type of people ruin games because dev's find it easier to nerf then to deal with people whining... Example: SWG.
Blizzard no doubt implemented PvP level ranges in Warcraft battlegrounds so players could reach a certain and PvP as an alternative to questing/grinding (which is where twinks found there niche). Once they were bored, they could then return to questing. This served to break-up the monotony of questing with PvP, but also created alternative playstyle for casual PvPers who couldn’t afford to kill day-and-night to achieve Gladiator or Raid sets. It opens-up the game to a wider range of players and allows for replay value, but there are issues because a) the impact it has on gameplay is subjective and b) if Blizzard identifies the overall financial effect to be positive/neutral (i.e. it encourages/attracts more players to the game than it causes to leave), there would be no business case to change the system.
I m pretty sure no1 in their right mind would implement lvl ranges to encourage twinking.... They would do that so that a lvl 20 player doesnt end going up against a lvl 50 or 60. Twinking probably just came along as a side effect.
I m pretty sure that twinking is not necessery to break up the monotony of questing with pvp. Why? Because u can pvp without being a twink wierd huh?
I m pretty sure also that a significant ammount of twinks was made by people rmting. I know for a fact that before soe changed the xp lock in eq2 alot of people would just ebay a twinked low lvl character. Sound familiar?
Blizzard no doubt implemented PvP level ranges in Warcraft battlegrounds so players could reach a certain and PvP as an alternative to questing/grinding (which is where twinks found there niche). Once they were bored, they could then return to questing. This served to break-up the monotony of questing with PvP, but also created alternative playstyle for casual PvPers who couldn’t afford to kill day-and-night to achieve Gladiator or Raid sets. It opens-up the game to a wider range of players and allows for replay value, but there are issues because a) the impact it has on gameplay is subjective and b) if Blizzard identifies the overall financial effect to be positive/neutral (i.e. it encourages/attracts more players to the game than it causes to leave), there would be no business case to change the system.
I m pretty sure no1 in their right mind would implement lvl ranges to encourage twinking.... They would do that so that a lvl 20 player doesnt end going up against a lvl 50 or 60. Twinking probably just came along as a side effect.
I m pretty sure that twinking is not necessery to break up the monotony of questing with pvp. Why? Because u can pvp without being a twink wierd huh?
I m pretty sure also that a significant ammount of twinks was made by people rmting. I know for a fact that before soe changed the xp lock in eq2 alot of people would just ebay a twinked low lvl character. Sound familiar?
I think you misinterpreted what I said. I made none of claims you suggested in your first two paragraphs in the text you quoted, or in anything I've written in this thread.
In fact, I agree with you and feel you are correct on all three accounts but think you are countering something I wasn't actually implying.
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I enjoyed twinking in EQ 2. You didn't need a high level main, just some time and effort, anyone could do it.
One of the things which I enjoyed was all the high levels moaning because they rushed to end cap and had no one to pvp with, whilst a lot of us turned of the exp which lead to the high levels moaning more and insulting and flaming us on the forums.
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I love how all of you are arguing over game mechanics you have NO idea about since the game ISNT EVEN OUT YET AND YOUVE NOT EVEN PLAYED IT.
sigh.
And how in the world are you not affected if those same people bring those SAME TWINKS THAT CAN SOLO INSTANCES into the PVP battles?...
If they can solo Elite bosses what in the hell do you think they will do to you and your friends?
OMG what in the **** is wrong with you people?
God I can't wait untill someone makes a game where you "easy mode" scrubs cant twink your way into hiding the fact that you suck. Then agian noone will probably play that game for the above reason.
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You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
And how in the world are you not affected if those same people bring those SAME TWINKS THAT CAN SOLO INSTANCES into the PVP battles?...
If they can solo Elite bosses what in the hell do you think they will do to you and your friends?
OMG what in the **** is wrong with you people?
God I can't wait untill someone makes a game where you "easy mode" scrubs cant twink your way into hiding the fact that you suck. Then agian noone will probably play that game for the above reason.
stop cryingFYI most twink have a main. they arn't putting on easy mode just to piss you off. idk why you call it easy mode. yes its easier in the sense everyone can have a fair chance i.e. a 29 with good gear is a lot easier than a 60 with good gear. its a lot more practical to make a twink if you prefer the challenge. we arn't there to kill the lesser equipped opponents. we are there to fight the other twinks
is it the same thing if you cap out at say 60 and another 60 comes along with uber gear and massive enchants and destroys you? thats easy mode he has an unfair advantage.
idk what you are calling "easy mode" about it. can you please explain?
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i am sorry but i still dont see any place in this game for twinking pre 70.
i dont see any dungeons pre 40 and the game is solo til 20.
where the hell does twinking come into this game?
p.s i dont consider it twinking if its 1-20 levels below max level because u have already practically played the whole game again (aside from endgame).
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-Changeable worlds
-Solid non level based game
-Sharks with lasers attached to their heads
i guess tinybina is talking about PvE twinking. which in WoW isn't a factor. considering when you kill lthings you get XP which means leveling. which is against the PvP twinking idea.
either there is a huge misconception here or they are just an idiot.
And how in the world are you not affected if those same people bring those SAME TWINKS THAT CAN SOLO INSTANCES into the PVP battles?...
If they can solo Elite bosses what in the hell do you think they will do to you and your friends?
OMG what in the **** is wrong with you people?
God I can't wait untill someone makes a game where you "easy mode" scrubs cant twink your way into hiding the fact that you suck. Then agian noone will probably play that game for the above reason.
How the hell is twinking any different then getting the best gear possible at level cap? You are a damn ignorant cry baby. Just because you can not figure out how to twink (which as i said above is easy), your going to hate twinks. You need to grow up and use logic before you start typing. A true twink does not go into a PvE zone in fear of exp gain and leveling.A low level twink is no different then a level cap'd main with uber gear. You need to grow up and stop crying about this because it has been proven that there is no difference between a level capped guy with the best gear possible and a level 20 with the best gear possible. Twinks are easier to make then a level caps main with the best gear thus making a much more even playing field. Stop making a fool of yourself and learn to adapt and use logic instead of cry about how you couldn't learn to survive. That old saying of "survival of the fittest" and you are definately not fit.
In terms of a game "where you easy mode scrubs" there are many games out like that. Any game you play turns into that game. You obviously do not use your mind and it becomes easy mode to kill you. I believe there is a place of refuge for you though... Link is here ===> www.ima-carebear-scrub.com
I dont have a problem with players twinking with their Mains. It is part of the game that needs to be regulated by the dev's. Capping armor and weapons and items are always a good way to go about it. Make sure the correct level uses the correct equipment.
To me, twinking is just a time saver used this way...
... and something I have to live with.
PS: Yes, I have done it before. Its just that I rarely reach end game, so I dont use an Alt (to twink) very often.
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Couple of comments.
Seeing as how Funcom already produces the most twink-centric MMO around (AO) I suspect they will be very concientious about such that aspect in AoC, and I think they will steer away from it. Certainly from the buff aspect it sounds like they are not going to allow chars to be buffed up by bigger chars and then able to roam about solo with sustaining OSB (OutSideBuffs). I'm sure chars who are in powerful guilds with high level mains and tradeskillers will be able to equip much-better-than-average armor but that is probably all the 'gear' edge they can get. The rest would appear to rely on the combat skills of the individual and their teammates.
As for the subject of twinking in general, and AO specifically. Twinking is a fairly cerebral endeavor, often involving spreadsheets and weeks, even months, of careful work; and it is one of the reasons some ppl play certain MMO's in the first place. It's a fair playfield, in as much as that anyone can do it if they 1st build the main chars to fund the effort. Most twinks are geared for PvP but not all. In AO, for example, there are tons of lvl 60,100, and 150 twinks designed to shine in Places like ToTW, Foremans, and Sector 10. Whether AoC will have dungeons at certain levels that will attract people to attempt to build twinks to shoulder the workload for orgmates remains to be seen.
It would be nice to hear some comments from the Dev's on this sort of thing.
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I am sure "twinking" is the least of the devs worries right now lol. I don't know, twinking was always kinda fun (especially in old school eq1 giving your iksar monk a fungi tunic 2 batons and a CoF lol). For the most part it is just a higher levels alt who is bored with part of the upper end content and wants to re-role to see how much a$$ can be kicked with his/her twink.
i guess tinybina is talking about PvE twinking. which in WoW isn't a factor. considering when you kill lthings you get XP which means leveling. which is against the PvP twinking idea.
either there is a huge misconception here or they are just an idiot.
No im not only talking about PVE twinking, I guess im just speaking another language here since it's obvious its not English to you folks.../sigh No disrespect to you TDU13, this is to every twink lover in this thread in general.
Anyone who played Anarchy Online (FUNCOMS OTHER MMO) understands what I mean by twinking.. In that game (atleast when I played) there was no PVP gear or PVE gear.. If your character was strong agianst AI chances were it was strong agianst players.
Twinks that could SOLO INSTANCES were absolutly unstopable on the PVP field unless another twink was fighting them. People who played WOW and never played AO have no idea what a real overpowerd twink is. AO's twinks were ridiculous... When you see a lvl 19 crat running around with a lvl 50 PET you know something is wrong....
And to put that in WOW terms for you MMO nooblest, imagine a lvl 10 NE hunter running around with a lvl 50 Cat....Now put that same hunter into a Instance, PVP battle ground , or World PVP. Yeah thats all we need right? For people to be able to do that... Well (and pay attention cause this is where I seem to be losing alot of you...) in ANARCHY ONLINE FUNCOMS OTHER TITLE, it was possible...
All im saying is that I hope to god they don't allow twinking agian cause when you think about it thats just plain wrong. But going by the responses in this thread most of you would like to play on Easy mode, perhaps one day someone will open up a service that will let you pay them to push the buttons for you while you sit back and drink Kool-aid.
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You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
i guess tinybina is talking about PvE twinking. which in WoW isn't a factor. considering when you kill lthings you get XP which means leveling. which is against the PvP twinking idea.
either there is a huge misconception here or they are just an idiot.
No im not only talking about PVE twinking, I guess im just speaking another language here since it's obvious its not English to you folks.../sigh No disrespect to you TDU13, this is to every twink lover in this thread in general.
Anyone who played Anarchy Online (FUNCOMS OTHER MMO) understands what I mean by twinking.. In that game (atleast when I played) there was no PVP gear or PVE gear.. If your character was strong agianst AI chances were it was strong agianst players.
Twinks that could SOLO INSTANCES were absolutly unstopable on the PVP field unless another twink was fighting them. People who played WOW and never played AO have no idea what a real overpowerd twink is. AO's twinks were ridiculous... When you see a lvl 19 crat running around with a lvl 50 PET you know something is wrong....
And to put that in WOW terms for you MMO nooblest, imagine a lvl 10 NE hunter running around with a lvl 50 Cat....Now put that same hunter into a Instance, PVP battle ground , or World PVP. Yeah thats all we need right? For people to be able to do that... Well (and pay attention cause this is where I seem to be losing alot of you...) in ANARCHY ONLINE FUNCOMS OTHER TITLE, it was possible...
All im saying is that I hope to god they don't allow twinking agian cause when you think about it thats just plain wrong. But going by the responses in this thread most of you would like to play on Easy mode, perhaps one day someone will open up a service that will let you pay them to push the buttons for you while you sit back and drink Kool-aid.
well now that you gave us some insight to what YOUR problem was we can accually make sense of what you are saying. Twinking is different in AO than it was in WoW. ok great. you shoiuld have stated WHY it was so bad to begin with. i guess game developers can't change ideas or what? whats wrong with the twinks we are talking about? nothing....
instaed throwing out the whole idea of twinking (i.e. giving xp for PvP) how about they just change it? wouldn't that be more suitable? AoC is almost completely different than AO was. this is going to be a top game people play. im not saying AO doesn't have a lot but they are putting a lot of money into this i think they took the feedback people we're giving them from AO and used some of it in this game to make it better. obviously taking twinks out of the game is going to piss a lot of people off. i just don't see why they would take it out.
i guess tinybina is talking about PvE twinking. which in WoW isn't a factor. considering when you kill lthings you get XP which means leveling. which is against the PvP twinking idea.
either there is a huge misconception here or they are just an idiot.
No im not only talking about PVE twinking, I guess im just speaking another language here since it's obvious its not English to you folks.../sigh No disrespect to you TDU13, this is to every twink lover in this thread in general.
Anyone who played Anarchy Online (FUNCOMS OTHER MMO) understands what I mean by twinking.. In that game (atleast when I played) there was no PVP gear or PVE gear.. If your character was strong agianst AI chances were it was strong agianst players.
Twinks that could SOLO INSTANCES were absolutly unstopable on the PVP field unless another twink was fighting them. People who played WOW and never played AO have no idea what a real overpowerd twink is. AO's twinks were ridiculous... When you see a lvl 19 crat running around with a lvl 50 PET you know something is wrong....
And to put that in WOW terms for you MMO nooblest, imagine a lvl 10 NE hunter running around with a lvl 50 Cat....Now put that same hunter into a Instance, PVP battle ground , or World PVP. Yeah thats all we need right? For people to be able to do that... Well (and pay attention cause this is where I seem to be losing alot of you...) in ANARCHY ONLINE FUNCOMS OTHER TITLE, it was possible...
All im saying is that I hope to god they don't allow twinking agian cause when you think about it thats just plain wrong. But going by the responses in this thread most of you would like to play on Easy mode, perhaps one day someone will open up a service that will let you pay them to push the buttons for you while you sit back and drink Kool-aid.
well now that you gave us some insight to what YOUR problem was we can accually make sense of what you are saying. Twinking is different in AO than it was in WoW. ok great. you shoiuld have stated WHY it was so bad to begin with. i guess game developers can't change ideas or what? whats wrong with the twinks we are talking about? nothing....
instaed throwing out the whole idea of twinking (i.e. giving xp for PvP) how about they just change it? wouldn't that be more suitable? AoC is almost completely different than AO was. this is going to be a top game people play. im not saying AO doesn't have a lot but they are putting a lot of money into this i think they took the feedback people we're giving them from AO and used some of it in this game to make it better. obviously taking twinks out of the game is going to piss a lot of people off. i just don't see why they would take it out.
Your joking right? I mean I clearly stated in the first freaking post what the problem was, perhaps you should L2read better which in turn will help you understand better.
Maybe next time I should post in crayon so you victims of America's Public School system will understand.
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You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
i guess tinybina is talking about PvE twinking. which in WoW isn't a factor. considering when you kill lthings you get XP which means leveling. which is against the PvP twinking idea.
either there is a huge misconception here or they are just an idiot.
No im not only talking about PVE twinking, I guess im just speaking another language here since it's obvious its not English to you folks.../sigh No disrespect to you TDU13, this is to every twink lover in this thread in general.
Anyone who played Anarchy Online (FUNCOMS OTHER MMO) understands what I mean by twinking.. In that game (atleast when I played) there was no PVP gear or PVE gear.. If your character was strong agianst AI chances were it was strong agianst players.
Twinks that could SOLO INSTANCES were absolutly unstopable on the PVP field unless another twink was fighting them. People who played WOW and never played AO have no idea what a real overpowerd twink is. AO's twinks were ridiculous... When you see a lvl 19 crat running around with a lvl 50 PET you know something is wrong....
And to put that in WOW terms for you MMO nooblest, imagine a lvl 10 NE hunter running around with a lvl 50 Cat....Now put that same hunter into a Instance, PVP battle ground , or World PVP. Yeah thats all we need right? For people to be able to do that... Well (and pay attention cause this is where I seem to be losing alot of you...) in ANARCHY ONLINE FUNCOMS OTHER TITLE, it was possible...
All im saying is that I hope to god they don't allow twinking agian cause when you think about it thats just plain wrong. But going by the responses in this thread most of you would like to play on Easy mode, perhaps one day someone will open up a service that will let you pay them to push the buttons for you while you sit back and drink Kool-aid.
well now that you gave us some insight to what YOUR problem was we can accually make sense of what you are saying. Twinking is different in AO than it was in WoW. ok great. you shoiuld have stated WHY it was so bad to begin with. i guess game developers can't change ideas or what? whats wrong with the twinks we are talking about? nothing....
instaed throwing out the whole idea of twinking (i.e. giving xp for PvP) how about they just change it? wouldn't that be more suitable? AoC is almost completely different than AO was. this is going to be a top game people play. im not saying AO doesn't have a lot but they are putting a lot of money into this i think they took the feedback people we're giving them from AO and used some of it in this game to make it better. obviously taking twinks out of the game is going to piss a lot of people off. i just don't see why they would take it out.
Your joking right? I mean I clearly stated in the first freaking post what the problem was, perhaps you should L2read better which in turn will help you understand better.
Maybe next time I should post in crayon so you victims of America's Public School system will understand.
O boy! Another pompous arrogant person trying to look down upon the U.S...BTW, You need to seriously stop bitching and learn to adapt and survive or gtfo.
/end discussion.
Twinking adds replay value to a game.
"Twinks that could SOLO INSTANCES were absolutly unstopable on the PVP field unless another twink was fighting them. People who played WOW and never played AO have no idea what a real overpowerd twink is. AO's twinks were ridiculous... When you see a lvl 19 crat running around with a lvl 50 PET you know something is wrong...."
If I see a lvl 19 crat in AO with a lvl 50 pet, I'd ask him why such a gimpy pet?
Understand that it is one of Funcom's goals in AO to allow for such 'twinking' and a significant portion of their paid subscribers stay in the game for that and the resultant PvP action. It is a considerable point of pride for ppl to build twinks at various levels that can solo dungeons that average teams would have a hard time with.
AoC is clearly being designed differently. At a glance, one can see it won't have anywheres near the 'twinking' potential(separate PvP and PvE armor sets, for example). Just what will be possible remains to be seen.
But cries of '"FC will screw up AoC by allowing twinks because they screwed up AO by allowing them" don't wash at all.
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sorry but i don't see anything wrong there... you did not say anything about a level 20 having a level 50 pet. all you said was you could get some nice buffs. you are talking about PvE.
"For those of you that play WOW just think of a level 39 priest that could SOLO SM Cath...." WoW
people don't do that. its stupid. they use their twinks for PvP. if someone was gonna solo SM CAth they would just ause thier main. not buff out and got all the enchants for thier 39 just so they could level to 40 and have them be no good.
i think someone brought this up about the economy before. but if you are buying these really nice items for you're level its plain stupid. since you are going to out grow them fairly shortly. they charge a lot for the twinks that will keep them forever. who cares if that nice blue for lvl 29 is 50G. you shouldn't care.
but you avoided my question in my last post didn't you.
"instaed throwing out the whole idea of twinking (i.e. giving xp for PvP) how about they just change it? wouldn't that be more suitable? AoC is almost completely different than AO was. this is going to be a top game people play. im not saying AO doesn't have a lot but they are putting a lot of money into this i think they took the feedback people we're giving them from AO and used some of it in this game to make it better."
hey why don't just put level caps on buffs like they did in WoW. ZOMG problem solved. don't even bash others reading comprehension skills. obviously im not the only who didn't understand what you were talking about. L2 write comprehensively so you can convey your point.
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O noes! I think I hear the waahhhhambulance coming to pick up tinybina.
You say L2 write? How about you L2 adapt... Something that every MMO should make you do and actually most have a goal of making you do. For me this isn't even about twinks anymore, its about shutting up one of those people that can't adapt and cry constantly about it. Those type of people ruin games because dev's find it easier to nerf then to deal with people whining... Example: SWG.
I m pretty sure no1 in their right mind would implement lvl ranges to encourage twinking.... They would do that so that a lvl 20 player doesnt end going up against a lvl 50 or 60. Twinking probably just came along as a side effect.
I m pretty sure that twinking is not necessery to break up the monotony of questing with pvp. Why? Because u can pvp without being a twink
wierd huh?
I m pretty sure also that a significant ammount of twinks was made by people rmting. I know for a fact that before soe changed the xp lock in eq2 alot of people would just ebay a twinked low lvl character. Sound familiar?
I m pretty sure no1 in their right mind would implement lvl ranges to encourage twinking.... They would do that so that a lvl 20 player doesnt end going up against a lvl 50 or 60. Twinking probably just came along as a side effect.
I m pretty sure that twinking is not necessery to break up the monotony of questing with pvp. Why? Because u can pvp without being a twink
wierd huh?
I m pretty sure also that a significant ammount of twinks was made by people rmting. I know for a fact that before soe changed the xp lock in eq2 alot of people would just ebay a twinked low lvl character. Sound familiar?
I think you misinterpreted what I said. I made none of claims you suggested in your first two paragraphs in the text you quoted, or in anything I've written in this thread.
In fact, I agree with you and feel you are correct on all three accounts but think you are countering something I wasn't actually implying.
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Heh sry, just came home from a 3 hr exam in uni.
My head dont work str8 right now
I enjoyed twinking in EQ 2. You didn't need a high level main, just some time and effort, anyone could do it.
One of the things which I enjoyed was all the high levels moaning because they rushed to end cap and had no one to pvp with, whilst a lot of us turned of the exp which lead to the high levels moaning more and insulting and flaming us on the forums.
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