Well it seems to me that sense everyone can come up with their "own" personalized gods (which they do) all it leads to is a general dislike and intolerance for the man next to you.. You want to know how many personal "gods" people tell me that they believe in that doesn't support "interracial" affairs? Countless.. What about the "gods" that support things like war and nuclear power (that is going to destroy "his" planet one day)? What about the "gods" that look down upon people that eat meat? Do you eat meat? What about all the different "gods" that accept so many different government types? How can you respect a variable? You cannot say it is static, because besides your books, how would you know? "God" is a simple variable, he can really be turned into a mathematical sentence had you added more variables to him like the ones I just explained... People make him up, but try to hold OTHER people to "his" standards.. ALL i'm getting at is, why do we have to blame/involve these "gods" in every situation? Why is it seen as being a when someone goes and kills someone and blames it on the "devil"? But when someone wins an award or even survives an automobile accident they can blame "god" and not be seen as a ? 2 entities that in most cases tie into each other (one being "good" and the other "bad"), yet you have to be a for involving the latter, when they both are variables, the same..
My biological father is entirely different to your biological father, does that make both them inherently evil ?
I also EXPLICITLY said that worshiping of a god should only be done if that God practices caring, compassion and love. This is the most important part of religion.
If someone who doesnt believe in a god doesnt like the idea of interracial affairs, does that make it right ?
What do you think of an Atheist vegetarian/vegan ? Is there something wrong with that ?
Or an Atheist who supports war, are they less evil than a theist who supports war ?
Why do people who don't believe in God constantly blame Him for everything? Wouldn't a true atheist blame the persons actions instead. Why is the justification of evil more important than the evil itself ?
What is wrong with a God and his follower who TRULY practices caring, compassion and love for all sentient beings?
Since I don't have a religion or even support it, my ideas of "rights" and "wrongs" are strictly my own.. I outwardly support the nihilistic ideas of Friedrich Nietzsche.. Without firm proof of the actual existence of a "god" then there can be no moral truths.. Even if they include compassion and caring..
I never said anything was "wrong" with it.. It disgusts me how the idea of religion can and has caused so much chaos in the new world, now that people themselves have lost sight and strive to JUSTIFY their actions by using the idea of a "god".. It's trickery at its highest point and only serves to motivate a population into doing things that one feels they will not do had it not been for the idea of a god..
IF you didn't believe in a "god" Nasica, would you be a "compassionate and caring" person?
Probably not, but that idea is keeping your butt in line isn't it?
Well it seems to me that sense everyone can come up with their "own" personalized gods (which they do) all it leads to is a general dislike and intolerance for the man next to you.. You want to know how many personal "gods" people tell me that they believe in that doesn't support "interracial" affairs? Countless.. What about the "gods" that support things like war and nuclear power (that is going to destroy "his" planet one day)? What about the "gods" that look down upon people that eat meat? Do you eat meat? What about all the different "gods" that accept so many different government types? How can you respect a variable? You cannot say it is static, because besides your books, how would you know? "God" is a simple variable, he can really be turned into a mathematical sentence had you added more variables to him like the ones I just explained... People make him up, but try to hold OTHER people to "his" standards.. ALL i'm getting at is, why do we have to blame/involve these "gods" in every situation? Why is it seen as being a when someone goes and kills someone and blames it on the "devil"? But when someone wins an award or even survives an automobile accident they can blame "god" and not be seen as a ? 2 entities that in most cases tie into each other (one being "good" and the other "bad"), yet you have to be a for involving the latter, when they both are variables, the same..
My biological father is entirely different to your biological father, does that make both them inherently evil ?
I also EXPLICITLY said that worshiping of a god should only be done if that God practices caring, compassion and love. This is the most important part of religion.
If someone who doesnt believe in a god doesnt like the idea of interracial affairs, does that make it right ?
What do you think of an Atheist vegetarian/vegan ? Is there something wrong with that ?
Or an Atheist who supports war, are they less evil than a theist who supports war ?
Why do people who don't believe in God constantly blame Him for everything? Wouldn't a true atheist blame the persons actions instead. Why is the justification of evil more important than the evil itself ?
What is wrong with a God and his follower who TRULY practices caring, compassion and love for all sentient beings?
Since I don't have a religion or even support it, my ideas of "rights" and "wrongs" are strictly my own.. I outwardly support the nihilistic ideas of Friedrich Nietzsche.. Without firm proof of the actual existence of a "god" then there can be no moral truths.. Even if they include compassion and caring..
I never said anything was "wrong" with it.. It disgusts me how the idea of religion can and has caused so much chaos in the new world, now that people themselves have lost sight and strive to JUSTIFY their actions by using the idea of a "god".. It's trickery at its highest point and only serves to motivate a population into doing things that one feels they will not do had it not been for the idea of a god..
IF you didn't believe in a "god" Nasica, would you be a "compassionate and caring" person?
Probably not, but that idea is keeping your butt in line isn't it?
Welcome to humanity. We latch onto an idea, and twist it around so that we can justify whatever we want. You think that this is religion at fault? Shall we turn a blind eye to the people who use their own brand of pseudo-science to support their bigotry? Do you know the Bell Curve? Look it up on Amazon. Its all about how black people are inferior to white people - and how their racism is therefore justified through science. Pretty sick, isn't it? If we look back through history, we can see thousands of similar examples. Man justifying his being right through the writings of philosophers. Or through Economics. Or nationalism. You want to blame this on religion, and yet we can turn around, and around, and see all the actions you would like to pin on religion, being replicated without religion. The Spanish Inquisition becomes the Soviet Gulag, becomes Guantanamo Bay. The Crusades become the Great War, and then Vietnam, Afghanistan, and the War in Iraq. We have religion used to justify bigotry with skin color, and then as that fades, we have science and a misguided understanding of evolution.
Religion is just one way that people rationalize the fact that violence and hatred is, for a large segment of the human race (judging from what we've seen historically, the vast, vast majority, probably including you and me) a recreational sport. We'll seize any excuse to make it seem more intellectually justifiable, but the end fact is, we all just enjoy it.
In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.
Well it seems to me that sense everyone can come up with their "own" personalized gods (which they do) all it leads to is a general dislike and intolerance for the man next to you.. You want to know how many personal "gods" people tell me that they believe in that doesn't support "interracial" affairs? Countless.. What about the "gods" that support things like war and nuclear power (that is going to destroy "his" planet one day)? What about the "gods" that look down upon people that eat meat? Do you eat meat? What about all the different "gods" that accept so many different government types? How can you respect a variable? You cannot say it is static, because besides your books, how would you know? "God" is a simple variable, he can really be turned into a mathematical sentence had you added more variables to him like the ones I just explained... People make him up, but try to hold OTHER people to "his" standards.. ALL i'm getting at is, why do we have to blame/involve these "gods" in every situation? Why is it seen as being a when someone goes and kills someone and blames it on the "devil"? But when someone wins an award or even survives an automobile accident they can blame "god" and not be seen as a ? 2 entities that in most cases tie into each other (one being "good" and the other "bad"), yet you have to be a for involving the latter, when they both are variables, the same..
My biological father is entirely different to your biological father, does that make both them inherently evil ?
I also EXPLICITLY said that worshiping of a god should only be done if that God practices caring, compassion and love. This is the most important part of religion.
If someone who doesnt believe in a god doesnt like the idea of interracial affairs, does that make it right ?
What do you think of an Atheist vegetarian/vegan ? Is there something wrong with that ?
Or an Atheist who supports war, are they less evil than a theist who supports war ?
Why do people who don't believe in God constantly blame Him for everything? Wouldn't a true atheist blame the persons actions instead. Why is the justification of evil more important than the evil itself ?
What is wrong with a God and his follower who TRULY practices caring, compassion and love for all sentient beings?
Since I don't have a religion or even support it, my ideas of "rights" and "wrongs" are strictly my own.. I outwardly support the nihilistic ideas of Friedrich Nietzsche.. Without firm proof of the actual existence of a "god" then there can be no moral truths.. Even if they include compassion and caring..
I never said anything was "wrong" with it.. It disgusts me how the idea of religion can and has caused so much chaos in the new world, now that people themselves have lost sight and strive to JUSTIFY their actions by using the idea of a "god".. It's trickery at its highest point and only serves to motivate a population into doing things that one feels they will not do had it not been for the idea of a god..
IF you didn't believe in a "god" Nasica, would you be a "compassionate and caring" person?
Probably not, but that idea is keeping your butt in line isn't it?
Welcome to humanity. We latch onto an idea, and twist it around so that we can justify whatever we want. You think that this is religion at fault? Shall we turn a blind eye to the people who use their own brand of pseudo-science to support their bigotry? Do you know the Bell Curve? Look it up on Amazon. Its all about how black people are inferior to white people - and how their racism is therefore justified through science. Pretty sick, isn't it? If we look back through history, we can see thousands of similar examples. Man justifying his being right through the writings of philosophers. Or through Economics. Or nationalism. You want to blame this on religion, and yet we can turn around, and around, and see all the actions you would like to pin on religion, being replicated without religion. The Spanish Inquisition becomes the Soviet Gulag, becomes Guantanamo Bay. The Crusades become the Great War, and then Vietnam, Afghanistan, and the War in Iraq. We have religion used to justify bigotry with skin color, and then as that fades, we have science and a misguided understanding of evolution.
Religion is just one way that people rationalize the fact that violence and hatred is, for a large segment of the human race (judging from what we've seen historically, the vast, vast majority, probably including you and me) a recreational sport. We'll seize any excuse to make it seem more intellectually justifiable, but the end fact is, we all just enjoy it.
Nasica, just because one follows some guidelines from the Bible doesn't make them a Christian. A Christian is a believer in Jesus who has given Him their entire life. Christianity isn't a shirt you put on for Sunday mornings and Wednesday nights, its a lifestyle. When Jesus said, "If you lose your life for My sake, you'll find it", He wasn't kidding.
I just wanted to point that out because many people consider themselves Christians when they are not. My brother talked to a guy who thought he was a Christian just because he lived in a certain neighborhood!
So, if you haven't surrendered your whole life to the Messiah, you aren't a Christian - and from the looks of it, you haven't done that.
Oh, and Nasica, before this thread was started I think I PM'ed you. Wanna chat?
Going on:
"For those who replied yes.. What type of god is he? What type of life do you live?"
Two very big questions. #1: Look at Jesus. #2: Look at Jesus.
How do you explain the non-sense that occurs these days, in reguards to the middle east and their religions that clash and pour blood over a "holy land"?
They live according to their scripture. Don't get me started on Islam. It just saddens me to think of it, really. A muslim must kill themself to 'find life', but Jesus gave His so that I may have it. Muhammad didn't die for the sins of the earth - Jesus, the fortold Christ did.
If you believe (truly) in a god, if he is a "morally sound" god, do you live your life in perfect regulation?
Do you live your life in fear of rain and lightning bolts?
That is a great question. The God of the Bible IS just, kind, love, mercy, and everything good. Note: I didn't say He 'has' kindness or that He 'has' love. No, He IS love. He is the full embodiment of those attributes. Since He IS mercy, when He executes judgement (evalutation), He doesn't withhold His mercy. When He judges, He used 100% of mercy and judgement. He is God. Jesus is God too. If you look at Jesus, you see God. Want to know what God is like? Check out Jesus.
And, I'm not scared or living in fear, since 'perfect love casts out all fear', but if God wanted to blow me up right now, I wouldn't mind. I deserve it. I deserve Hell.
Are you prone to "sin", but see your god as a "forgiving" one? Are you SURE that he is a "forgiving" type of god?
Yes, yes and yes. The Cross makes that point probably too obvious. Too bad many think it was just a crazy man dying for a forgotten purpose. WRONG.
Is your god, a one "nation, team, person" type of god? Is he going to the super bowl tonight to stand behind one of the teams playing and spite the other? (lol)
I'm a bit confused by the question but God isn't partial.
Is he always on "americas" side? (lol)
He wants America to repent and turn to Him, if that is what you mean. 9-11 and Katrina were both prophesied as potiental judgements. They came to pass due to the evil hearts of those who live in America. NOTE: I live in America too. Ha! But if someone isn't with Christ, then he is against Him. If they don't follow Him, then they scatter. So, if someone isn't in Christ, they are an enemy of God. That is clear in Scripture.
Lol. Nasica's a Buddhist as far as I remember. I thought that there could be multiple gods in Buddhism though? I mean there are a few different 'realms' aren't there? And there is supposed to be this realm of divinity I think. And people can achieve divinity, but the point is rather to achieve Nirvana. Buddhism also has a Hell (much more terrible than anything in the Bible if I remember correctly). Maybe there are different forms of it though, and I'm only remembering one.
This is more Tibetan Buddhism than 'classical' Buddhism.
Tibetan Buddhism is based on the Mahayana school of Buddhist thought its specific name is sometimes referred to as Vajrayana and involves a lot of rituals and other things i find entirely unnecessary, this is not a bad thing its just something that doesn't suit me. Tibetans also claim that enlightenment is achievable in one life time.
I study Theravada Buddhism which is entirely about analysis and questioning the world around us. It is based entirely on the Pali Cannon and teaches that enlightenment must be achieved through experience and not faith. This is the main reason why i call myself a Buddhist, and a Buddhist-Christian for that matter.
The Dali Lama are a member of the Gelug school of Tibetan Buddhism, they are believed the be the reincarnation of the bodhisattva of compassion, Avalokitesvara.
And yes, i still have to look up the spelling of all these names.
Thanks for the response, Nas. Yeah. I probably was referring to Tibetan Buddhism. I could've sworn that there was some sort of tree made of razor blades you had to climb up and down for like 50 years of every day of your previous life until you finally achieved a higher state or were sent back to this "Hell" again. But it turns out from a quick Wiki that there are different forms of hell depending on what type of Buddhism we're talking about here.
I'm curious as to if you believe in the Gospel message as presented in the Bible for the most part if you know yourself as a Christian? Because if you don't, then you're not what I'd call a Christian. You may have Christian (Christ-like) principles - which is an honor not only for you but for me - but I still wouldn't call you a Christian.
"Put your foot where your mouth is." - Wisdom from my grandfather "Paper or plastic? ... because I'm afraid I'll have to suffocate you unless you put this bag on your head..." - Ethnitrek AC1: Wierding from Harvestgain
God, no matter what and who she is, is most likely amused, at least midly, by us. Is she "perfect"? Well, compare to us, maybe, but definitely not! :P
Technically, I am catholic for cultural reasons, but even though I will be a nice catholic, I don't really believe in the church, nor in the protestant theaters (protestants assembles in theaters where they play comedy :P), nor in any other precise religion, especially not the scientologists! ROFL.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
Lol. Nasica's a Buddhist as far as I remember. I thought that there could be multiple gods in Buddhism though? I mean there are a few different 'realms' aren't there? And there is supposed to be this realm of divinity I think. And people can achieve divinity, but the point is rather to achieve Nirvana. Buddhism also has a Hell (much more terrible than anything in the Bible if I remember correctly). Maybe there are different forms of it though, and I'm only remembering one.
This is more Tibetan Buddhism than 'classical' Buddhism.
Tibetan Buddhism is based on the Mahayana school of Buddhist thought its specific name is sometimes referred to as Vajrayana and involves a lot of rituals and other things i find entirely unnecessary, this is not a bad thing its just something that doesn't suit me. Tibetans also claim that enlightenment is achievable in one life time.
I study Theravada Buddhism which is entirely about analysis and questioning the world around us. It is based entirely on the Pali Cannon and teaches that enlightenment must be achieved through experience and not faith. This is the main reason why i call myself a Buddhist, and a Buddhist-Christian for that matter.
The Dali Lama are a member of the Gelug school of Tibetan Buddhism, they are believed the be the reincarnation of the bodhisattva of compassion, Avalokitesvara.
And yes, i still have to look up the spelling of all these names.
Thanks for the response, Nas. Yeah. I probably was referring to Tibetan Buddhism. I could've sworn that there was some sort of tree made of razor blades you had to climb up and down for like 50 years of every day of your previous life until you finally achieved a higher state or were sent back to this "Hell" again. But it turns out from a quick Wiki that there are different forms of hell depending on what type of Buddhism we're talking about here.
I'm curious as to if you believe in the Gospel message as presented in the Bible for the most part if you know yourself as a Christian? Because if you don't, then you're not what I'd call a Christian. You may have Christian (Christ-like) principles - which is an honor not only for you but for me - but I still wouldn't call you a Christian.
Hmm..so can you describe what a christian is then ? what do you think of yeshua ben yosif or serene and antioch.
That was a weird post. First you mention God being a female and God NOT being perfect? Blessings,
And why would it matter?
ROMAN emperors decide it was a HE, and that HE was perfect. Also decide many weird things, so Catholics belief change a LOT, based on the decisions of the Emperor...Unless your protestant, then because an ENGLISH King can't control his desire for women...niak niak niak!
Maybe YOU can be "perfect" to your dog, from his perspective, but you know better. Blind faith, althought acceptable, isn't what God wants. If your doggy support you blindly, sure, fine...if your doggy is a little more bright and althought the doggy support you, he isn't blind and try to understand to help you more, that is a little better and at least worthy of 1 extra cookie! :P If you see 1 of your dog bark at the other cause he isn't groveling the same way toward you, how would you react? Both are groveling and very nice to you.
God is a girl, and she can have PMS! :P
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
Well, I do not see the difference between a "christian" and a "buddhist-christian". Both claim to follow Christ, but the ladder just adding teachings from their beliefs.
That was a weird post. First you mention God being a female and God NOT being perfect? Blessings,
And why would it matter?
ROMAN emperors decide it was a HE, and that HE was perfect. Also decide many weird things, so Catholics belief change a LOT, based on the decisions of the Emperor...Unless your protestant, then because an ENGLISH King can't control his desire for women...niak niak niak!
Maybe YOU can be "perfect" to your dog, from his perspective, but you know better. Blind faith, althought acceptable, isn't what God wants. If your doggy support you blindly, sure, fine...if your doggy is a little more bright and althought the doggy support you, he isn't blind and try to understand to help you more, that is a little better and at least worthy of 1 extra cookie! :P If you see 1 of your dog bark at the other cause he isn't groveling the same way toward you, how would you react? Both are groveling and very nice to you.
God is a girl, and she can have PMS! :P
Why would it matter? Well, if God was indeed a female, then Scripture would be lying. Now, God (the first person of the Trinity) isn't a human so He isn't a "MALE" in that regard. But in a relationship standpoint, He is the Father. That goes back into the Old Testament and Jesus revealed that throughout His entire life.
And the romans didn't do that. Many OT prophets did that, and so did Christ.
And, I'm not blind. I base my faith on experience. I do read and believe 100% of Scripture. That is good enough. But I'm not blind at all.
If Jesus isn't the Lord over your life then do not call yourself a Christian. Blessings,
Who was Yeshsua ben yosef or lucius and cyrene
Do you mean Yeshua? If those are in greek or hebrew then I'm unfimiliar with that language and I'm not sure. But if Yeshua, then yes, I know who that was.
No I don't, I do not see any evidence to support such a claim, and many other concepts of a god would be flat out impossible given what we know about matter.
And I also agree with Jean Paul Sartre, even if God existed [which he did not believe], it was still necessary to reject him, since the idea of God negates our freedom.
So I am an atheist, and on the very rare chance that one does exist I oppose it.
Don't you worry little buddy. You're dealing with a man of honor. However, honor requires a higher percentage of profit
If Jesus isn't the Lord over your life then do not call yourself a Christian. Blessings,
Who was Yeshsua ben yosef or lucius and cyrene
Do you mean Yeshua? If those are in greek or hebrew then I'm unfimiliar with that language and I'm not sure. But if Yeshua, then yes, I know who that was.
Blessings,
What do you think of the DNA tests done on the body's found in the tombs of mary magdalene, martha and lazarus in the village of magdella.
No I don't, I do not see any evidence to support such a claim, and many other concepts of a god would be flat out impossible given what we know about matter. And I also agree with Jean Paul Sartre, even if God existed [which he did not believe], it was still necessary to reject him, since the idea of God negates our freedom. So I am an atheist, and on the very rare chance that one does exist I oppose it.
I do not recognize any government's authority. I see all humans a sovereign over themselves, so no one can govern them or impede their rights. Of course we have an extensive justice system that punishes me for doing what I want, but I, covertly, disobey any law I see no need for. Things like don't kill or don't steal, doesn't matter because I respect other people and wouldn't do that anyway. But no government can make me obey them really, I will do what I want, just have to be more careful.
Don't you worry little buddy. You're dealing with a man of honor. However, honor requires a higher percentage of profit
Jesus wasn't buried. Even the pharasee's in Jesus' day told the people that the disciples took the body. They never tried to say, "Oh, look! He didn't rise. He is still in the tomb." Plus, the DNA stuff is a load of poop. Mary Magdalene and Jesus would have never been placed in the same tomb because Mary wasn't a teacher/prophet. That wouldn't have worked anyways. Plus, that is from the basis of the stupid doctrine that they were married, and thats the dumbest thing (minus atheism) I've heard in a long time to be very honest.
Plus, I read an article by a scientist who researched that exact point you did and found huge errors in it, mainly that the body in the tomb wasn't Jesus'.
And I also agree with Jean Paul Sartre, even if God existed [which he did not believe], it was still necessary to reject him, since the idea of God negates our freedom. So I am an atheist, and on the very rare chance that one does exist I oppose it.
Sorry for the double post, but in God, we have our freedom.
I do not recognize any government's authority. I see all humans a sovereign over themselves, so no one can govern them or impede their rights. Of course we have an extensive justice system that punishes me for doing what I want, but I, covertly, disobey any law I see no need for. Things like don't kill or don't steal, doesn't matter because I respect other people and wouldn't do that anyway. But no government can make me obey them really, I will do what I want, just have to be more careful.
I do not recognize any government's authority. I see all humans a sovereign over themselves, so no one can govern them or impede their rights. Of course we have an extensive justice system that punishes me for doing what I want, but I, covertly, disobey any law I see no need for. Things like don't kill or don't steal, doesn't matter because I respect other people and wouldn't do that anyway. But no government can make me obey them really, I will do what I want, just have to be more careful.
No I don't, I do not see any evidence to support such a claim, and many other concepts of a god would be flat out impossible given what we know about matter. And I also agree with Jean Paul Sartre, even if God existed [which he did not believe], it was still necessary to reject him, since the idea of God negates our freedom. So I am an atheist, and on the very rare chance that one does exist I oppose it.
Do you reject your government then?
READ: Seperation of CHURCH and STATE...
Big seperation and differences between the meanings of Nihilism and Anarchy... Anarchy belonging to the opposition of government rule..
I do not recognize any government's authority. I see all humans a sovereign over themselves, so no one can govern them or impede their rights. Of course we have an extensive justice system that punishes me for doing what I want, but I, covertly, disobey any law I see no need for. Things like don't kill or don't steal, doesn't matter because I respect other people and wouldn't do that anyway. But no government can make me obey them really, I will do what I want, just have to be more careful.
A nation where murder was accepted, but suggested to not be done. Scary place don't you think?
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I also EXPLICITLY said that worshiping of a god should only be done if that God practices caring, compassion and love. This is the most important part of religion.
If someone who doesnt believe in a god doesnt like the idea of interracial affairs, does that make it right ?
What do you think of an Atheist vegetarian/vegan ? Is there something wrong with that ?
Or an Atheist who supports war, are they less evil than a theist who supports war ?
Why do people who don't believe in God constantly blame Him for everything? Wouldn't a true atheist blame the persons actions instead. Why is the justification of evil more important than the evil itself ?
What is wrong with a God and his follower who TRULY practices caring, compassion and love for all sentient beings?
Since I don't have a religion or even support it, my ideas of "rights" and "wrongs" are strictly my own.. I outwardly support the nihilistic ideas of Friedrich Nietzsche.. Without firm proof of the actual existence of a "god" then there can be no moral truths.. Even if they include compassion and caring..I never said anything was "wrong" with it.. It disgusts me how the idea of religion can and has caused so much chaos in the new world, now that people themselves have lost sight and strive to JUSTIFY their actions by using the idea of a "god".. It's trickery at its highest point and only serves to motivate a population into doing things that one feels they will not do had it not been for the idea of a god..
IF you didn't believe in a "god" Nasica, would you be a "compassionate and caring" person?
Probably not, but that idea is keeping your butt in line isn't it?
I also EXPLICITLY said that worshiping of a god should only be done if that God practices caring, compassion and love. This is the most important part of religion.
If someone who doesnt believe in a god doesnt like the idea of interracial affairs, does that make it right ?
What do you think of an Atheist vegetarian/vegan ? Is there something wrong with that ?
Or an Atheist who supports war, are they less evil than a theist who supports war ?
Why do people who don't believe in God constantly blame Him for everything? Wouldn't a true atheist blame the persons actions instead. Why is the justification of evil more important than the evil itself ?
What is wrong with a God and his follower who TRULY practices caring, compassion and love for all sentient beings?
Since I don't have a religion or even support it, my ideas of "rights" and "wrongs" are strictly my own.. I outwardly support the nihilistic ideas of Friedrich Nietzsche.. Without firm proof of the actual existence of a "god" then there can be no moral truths.. Even if they include compassion and caring..I never said anything was "wrong" with it.. It disgusts me how the idea of religion can and has caused so much chaos in the new world, now that people themselves have lost sight and strive to JUSTIFY their actions by using the idea of a "god".. It's trickery at its highest point and only serves to motivate a population into doing things that one feels they will not do had it not been for the idea of a god..
IF you didn't believe in a "god" Nasica, would you be a "compassionate and caring" person?
Probably not, but that idea is keeping your butt in line isn't it?
Welcome to humanity. We latch onto an idea, and twist it around so that we can justify whatever we want. You think that this is religion at fault? Shall we turn a blind eye to the people who use their own brand of pseudo-science to support their bigotry? Do you know the Bell Curve? Look it up on Amazon. Its all about how black people are inferior to white people - and how their racism is therefore justified through science. Pretty sick, isn't it? If we look back through history, we can see thousands of similar examples. Man justifying his being right through the writings of philosophers. Or through Economics. Or nationalism. You want to blame this on religion, and yet we can turn around, and around, and see all the actions you would like to pin on religion, being replicated without religion. The Spanish Inquisition becomes the Soviet Gulag, becomes Guantanamo Bay. The Crusades become the Great War, and then Vietnam, Afghanistan, and the War in Iraq. We have religion used to justify bigotry with skin color, and then as that fades, we have science and a misguided understanding of evolution.Religion is just one way that people rationalize the fact that violence and hatred is, for a large segment of the human race (judging from what we've seen historically, the vast, vast majority, probably including you and me) a recreational sport. We'll seize any excuse to make it seem more intellectually justifiable, but the end fact is, we all just enjoy it.
In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.
-Thomas Jefferson
I also EXPLICITLY said that worshiping of a god should only be done if that God practices caring, compassion and love. This is the most important part of religion.
If someone who doesnt believe in a god doesnt like the idea of interracial affairs, does that make it right ?
What do you think of an Atheist vegetarian/vegan ? Is there something wrong with that ?
Or an Atheist who supports war, are they less evil than a theist who supports war ?
Why do people who don't believe in God constantly blame Him for everything? Wouldn't a true atheist blame the persons actions instead. Why is the justification of evil more important than the evil itself ?
What is wrong with a God and his follower who TRULY practices caring, compassion and love for all sentient beings?
Since I don't have a religion or even support it, my ideas of "rights" and "wrongs" are strictly my own.. I outwardly support the nihilistic ideas of Friedrich Nietzsche.. Without firm proof of the actual existence of a "god" then there can be no moral truths.. Even if they include compassion and caring..I never said anything was "wrong" with it.. It disgusts me how the idea of religion can and has caused so much chaos in the new world, now that people themselves have lost sight and strive to JUSTIFY their actions by using the idea of a "god".. It's trickery at its highest point and only serves to motivate a population into doing things that one feels they will not do had it not been for the idea of a god..
IF you didn't believe in a "god" Nasica, would you be a "compassionate and caring" person?
Probably not, but that idea is keeping your butt in line isn't it?
Welcome to humanity. We latch onto an idea, and twist it around so that we can justify whatever we want. You think that this is religion at fault? Shall we turn a blind eye to the people who use their own brand of pseudo-science to support their bigotry? Do you know the Bell Curve? Look it up on Amazon. Its all about how black people are inferior to white people - and how their racism is therefore justified through science. Pretty sick, isn't it? If we look back through history, we can see thousands of similar examples. Man justifying his being right through the writings of philosophers. Or through Economics. Or nationalism. You want to blame this on religion, and yet we can turn around, and around, and see all the actions you would like to pin on religion, being replicated without religion. The Spanish Inquisition becomes the Soviet Gulag, becomes Guantanamo Bay. The Crusades become the Great War, and then Vietnam, Afghanistan, and the War in Iraq. We have religion used to justify bigotry with skin color, and then as that fades, we have science and a misguided understanding of evolution.Religion is just one way that people rationalize the fact that violence and hatred is, for a large segment of the human race (judging from what we've seen historically, the vast, vast majority, probably including you and me) a recreational sport. We'll seize any excuse to make it seem more intellectually justifiable, but the end fact is, we all just enjoy it.
Very good points!
Thank you for your informational input!
Nasica, just because one follows some guidelines from the Bible doesn't make them a Christian. A Christian is a believer in Jesus who has given Him their entire life. Christianity isn't a shirt you put on for Sunday mornings and Wednesday nights, its a lifestyle. When Jesus said, "If you lose your life for My sake, you'll find it", He wasn't kidding.
I just wanted to point that out because many people consider themselves Christians when they are not. My brother talked to a guy who thought he was a Christian just because he lived in a certain neighborhood!
So, if you haven't surrendered your whole life to the Messiah, you aren't a Christian - and from the looks of it, you haven't done that.
Oh, and Nasica, before this thread was started I think I PM'ed you. Wanna chat?
Going on:
"For those who replied yes.. What type of god is he? What type of life do you live?"
Two very big questions. #1: Look at Jesus. #2: Look at Jesus.
How do you explain the non-sense that occurs these days, in reguards to the middle east and their religions that clash and pour blood over a "holy land"?
They live according to their scripture. Don't get me started on Islam. It just saddens me to think of it, really. A muslim must kill themself to 'find life', but Jesus gave His so that I may have it. Muhammad didn't die for the sins of the earth - Jesus, the fortold Christ did.
If you believe (truly) in a god, if he is a "morally sound" god, do you live your life in perfect regulation?
Do you live your life in fear of rain and lightning bolts?
That is a great question. The God of the Bible IS just, kind, love, mercy, and everything good. Note: I didn't say He 'has' kindness or that He 'has' love. No, He IS love. He is the full embodiment of those attributes. Since He IS mercy, when He executes judgement (evalutation), He doesn't withhold His mercy. When He judges, He used 100% of mercy and judgement. He is God. Jesus is God too. If you look at Jesus, you see God. Want to know what God is like? Check out Jesus.
And, I'm not scared or living in fear, since 'perfect love casts out all fear', but if God wanted to blow me up right now, I wouldn't mind. I deserve it. I deserve Hell.
Are you prone to "sin", but see your god as a "forgiving" one? Are you SURE that he is a "forgiving" type of god?
Yes, yes and yes. The Cross makes that point probably too obvious. Too bad many think it was just a crazy man dying for a forgotten purpose. WRONG.
Is your god, a one "nation, team, person" type of god? Is he going to the super bowl tonight to stand behind one of the teams playing and spite the other? (lol)
I'm a bit confused by the question but God isn't partial.
Is he always on "americas" side? (lol)
He wants America to repent and turn to Him, if that is what you mean. 9-11 and Katrina were both prophesied as potiental judgements. They came to pass due to the evil hearts of those who live in America. NOTE: I live in America too. Ha! But if someone isn't with Christ, then he is against Him. If they don't follow Him, then they scatter. So, if someone isn't in Christ, they are an enemy of God. That is clear in Scripture.
God?
Good question!
MMO migrant.
Tibetan Buddhism is based on the Mahayana school of Buddhist thought its specific name is sometimes referred to as Vajrayana and involves a lot of rituals and other things i find entirely unnecessary, this is not a bad thing its just something that doesn't suit me. Tibetans also claim that enlightenment is achievable in one life time.
I study Theravada Buddhism which is entirely about analysis and questioning the world around us. It is based entirely on the Pali Cannon and teaches that enlightenment must be achieved through experience and not faith. This is the main reason why i call myself a Buddhist, and a Buddhist-Christian for that matter.
The Dali Lama are a member of the Gelug school of Tibetan Buddhism, they are believed the be the reincarnation of the bodhisattva of compassion, Avalokitesvara.
And yes, i still have to look up the spelling of all these names.
Thanks for the response, Nas. Yeah. I probably was referring to Tibetan Buddhism. I could've sworn that there was some sort of tree made of razor blades you had to climb up and down for like 50 years of every day of your previous life until you finally achieved a higher state or were sent back to this "Hell" again. But it turns out from a quick Wiki that there are different forms of hell depending on what type of Buddhism we're talking about here.I'm curious as to if you believe in the Gospel message as presented in the Bible for the most part if you know yourself as a Christian? Because if you don't, then you're not what I'd call a Christian.
You may have Christian (Christ-like) principles - which is an honor not only for you but for me - but I still wouldn't call you a Christian.
"Put your foot where your mouth is." - Wisdom from my grandfather
"Paper or plastic? ... because I'm afraid I'll have to suffocate you unless you put this bag on your head..." - Ethnitrek
AC1: Wierding from Harvestgain
If Jesus isn't the Lord over your life then do not call yourself a Christian.
Blessings,
MMO migrant.
Do you believe in oxygen? :P
God, no matter what and who she is, is most likely amused, at least midly, by us. Is she "perfect"? Well, compare to us, maybe, but definitely not! :P
Technically, I am catholic for cultural reasons, but even though I will be a nice catholic, I don't really believe in the church, nor in the protestant theaters (protestants assembles in theaters where they play comedy :P), nor in any other precise religion, especially not the scientologists! ROFL.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
That was a weird post. First you mention God being a female and God NOT being perfect?
Blessings,
MMO migrant.
Tibetan Buddhism is based on the Mahayana school of Buddhist thought its specific name is sometimes referred to as Vajrayana and involves a lot of rituals and other things i find entirely unnecessary, this is not a bad thing its just something that doesn't suit me. Tibetans also claim that enlightenment is achievable in one life time.
I study Theravada Buddhism which is entirely about analysis and questioning the world around us. It is based entirely on the Pali Cannon and teaches that enlightenment must be achieved through experience and not faith. This is the main reason why i call myself a Buddhist, and a Buddhist-Christian for that matter.
The Dali Lama are a member of the Gelug school of Tibetan Buddhism, they are believed the be the reincarnation of the bodhisattva of compassion, Avalokitesvara.
And yes, i still have to look up the spelling of all these names.
Thanks for the response, Nas. Yeah. I probably was referring to Tibetan Buddhism. I could've sworn that there was some sort of tree made of razor blades you had to climb up and down for like 50 years of every day of your previous life until you finally achieved a higher state or were sent back to this "Hell" again. But it turns out from a quick Wiki that there are different forms of hell depending on what type of Buddhism we're talking about here.I'm curious as to if you believe in the Gospel message as presented in the Bible for the most part if you know yourself as a Christian? Because if you don't, then you're not what I'd call a Christian.
You may have Christian (Christ-like) principles - which is an honor not only for you but for me - but I still wouldn't call you a Christian.
Hmm..so can you describe what a christian is then ? what do you think of yeshua ben yosif or serene and antioch.
And why would it matter?
ROMAN emperors decide it was a HE, and that HE was perfect. Also decide many weird things, so Catholics belief change a LOT, based on the decisions of the Emperor...Unless your protestant, then because an ENGLISH King can't control his desire for women...niak niak niak!
Maybe YOU can be "perfect" to your dog, from his perspective, but you know better. Blind faith, althought acceptable, isn't what God wants. If your doggy support you blindly, sure, fine...if your doggy is a little more bright and althought the doggy support you, he isn't blind and try to understand to help you more, that is a little better and at least worthy of 1 extra cookie! :P If you see 1 of your dog bark at the other cause he isn't groveling the same way toward you, how would you react? Both are groveling and very nice to you.
God is a girl, and she can have PMS! :P
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
Well, I do not see the difference between a "christian" and a "buddhist-christian". Both claim to follow Christ, but the ladder just adding teachings from their beliefs.
Its just to keep confusion down, thats all.
MMO migrant.
And why would it matter?
ROMAN emperors decide it was a HE, and that HE was perfect. Also decide many weird things, so Catholics belief change a LOT, based on the decisions of the Emperor...Unless your protestant, then because an ENGLISH King can't control his desire for women...niak niak niak!
Maybe YOU can be "perfect" to your dog, from his perspective, but you know better. Blind faith, althought acceptable, isn't what God wants. If your doggy support you blindly, sure, fine...if your doggy is a little more bright and althought the doggy support you, he isn't blind and try to understand to help you more, that is a little better and at least worthy of 1 extra cookie! :P If you see 1 of your dog bark at the other cause he isn't groveling the same way toward you, how would you react? Both are groveling and very nice to you.
God is a girl, and she can have PMS! :P
Why would it matter? Well, if God was indeed a female, then Scripture would be lying. Now, God (the first person of the Trinity) isn't a human so He isn't a "MALE" in that regard. But in a relationship standpoint, He is the Father. That goes back into the Old Testament and Jesus revealed that throughout His entire life.
And the romans didn't do that. Many OT prophets did that, and so did Christ.
And, I'm not blind. I base my faith on experience. I do read and believe 100% of Scripture. That is good enough. But I'm not blind at all.
And, God doesn't have PMS. Thats nasty.
Blessings,
MMO migrant.
Who was Yeshsua ben yosef or lucius and cyrene
Who was Yeshsua ben yosef or lucius and cyrene
Do you mean Yeshua? If those are in greek or hebrew then I'm unfimiliar with that language and I'm not sure. But if Yeshua, then yes, I know who that was.Blessings,
MMO migrant.
Has anyone read Shane Claiborne's book or seen him speak live, it's a beautiful thing to hear about love being spread all across the world.
No I don't, I do not see any evidence to support such a claim, and many other concepts of a god would be flat out impossible given what we know about matter.
And I also agree with Jean Paul Sartre, even if God existed [which he did not believe], it was still necessary to reject him, since the idea of God negates our freedom.
So I am an atheist, and on the very rare chance that one does exist I oppose it.
Don't you worry little buddy. You're dealing with a man of honor. However, honor requires a higher percentage of profit
Who was Yeshsua ben yosef or lucius and cyrene
Do you mean Yeshua? If those are in greek or hebrew then I'm unfimiliar with that language and I'm not sure. But if Yeshua, then yes, I know who that was.Blessings,
What do you think of the DNA tests done on the body's found in the tombs of mary magdalene, martha and lazarus in the village of magdella.
Do you reject your government then?
Yes,
I do not recognize any government's authority. I see all humans a sovereign over themselves, so no one can govern them or impede their rights. Of course we have an extensive justice system that punishes me for doing what I want, but I, covertly, disobey any law I see no need for. Things like don't kill or don't steal, doesn't matter because I respect other people and wouldn't do that anyway. But no government can make me obey them really, I will do what I want, just have to be more careful.
Don't you worry little buddy. You're dealing with a man of honor. However, honor requires a higher percentage of profit
Jesus wasn't buried. Even the pharasee's in Jesus' day told the people that the disciples took the body. They never tried to say, "Oh, look! He didn't rise. He is still in the tomb." Plus, the DNA stuff is a load of poop. Mary Magdalene and Jesus would have never been placed in the same tomb because Mary wasn't a teacher/prophet. That wouldn't have worked anyways. Plus, that is from the basis of the stupid doctrine that they were married, and thats the dumbest thing (minus atheism) I've heard in a long time to be very honest.
Plus, I read an article by a scientist who researched that exact point you did and found huge errors in it, mainly that the body in the tomb wasn't Jesus'.
Blessings,
MMO migrant.
Sorry for the double post, but in God, we have our freedom.
MMO migrant.
Yes,
I do not recognize any government's authority. I see all humans a sovereign over themselves, so no one can govern them or impede their rights. Of course we have an extensive justice system that punishes me for doing what I want, but I, covertly, disobey any law I see no need for. Things like don't kill or don't steal, doesn't matter because I respect other people and wouldn't do that anyway. But no government can make me obey them really, I will do what I want, just have to be more careful.
I'm sure you pay taxes though.
Yes,
I do not recognize any government's authority. I see all humans a sovereign over themselves, so no one can govern them or impede their rights. Of course we have an extensive justice system that punishes me for doing what I want, but I, covertly, disobey any law I see no need for. Things like don't kill or don't steal, doesn't matter because I respect other people and wouldn't do that anyway. But no government can make me obey them really, I will do what I want, just have to be more careful.
Thats a really arrogant answer.Blessings,
MMO migrant.
Do you reject your government then?
READ: Seperation of CHURCH and STATE...Big seperation and differences between the meanings of Nihilism and Anarchy... Anarchy belonging to the opposition of government rule..
A nation where murder was accepted, but suggested to not be done. Scary place don't you think?