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chucky233
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I dont see why everyone is crying about how dumb it is now....Well you guys are actually making it dumb...For a example, you guys arnt playing it! We need people playing it for it ro be fun!
WE NEED IT TO LIVE!
Peronly i think its fun. In march a huge patch will be coming maybe to kill all the bugs and stuff. Also i heard Flying Attacks will be coming to with your dragons! So, come in and play and try it out for yourselves!
WE NEED FANS LIKE YOU! It will become cooler if its populated!
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Ok, Look at this Youtube Trailer of the game!!
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Dark+and+Light&search_type=
Wow! Cool euh? Try it now!!!
Ride Dragons, War, over 15 Classes and 10 Races and more! check the website out!
www.darkandlight.com
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I tried it. I have a 8800GT alpha dog edition and 4gbs of pc6400 800mhz ram and a 3800+ amd athlon 64 x2 processor atm and this games performance sucks
and it's riddled with bugs. I played it for 15 minutes and I found more bugs than fingers on both my hands
Well i heard they are going to fix all of that! And look at this youtube video,
its fricken cool! The Graphics are ok, but they can fix that too, we just need people playing it!
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I had a pioneer account and played for a few months but i have to say i have never seen a game bugged like this. And after more than a year i hear ppl saying a patch will come to fix most bugs? Oh come on, if they didnt fix it yet its just because they are not capable to.
The game is not all bad and it has some very nice aspects, but there are others and not a few that made me think its boring.
No instances is really great, i love the idea but with a huge map like that a good transport system is very important and that used to suck badly. Flying mounts are great but its not fun to fly for 30 minutes or one hour from one point to other in the map. I used to waste hours flying around looking for good dragons, than when u find a good one u cant die or u loose your pet and th search starts again, boring search.
And not only with dragons, the game became too pet dependent, good pets were not easy to find and u can loose them easily. So every time u take chances and die u will have to spend some boring time looking for new pets.
Snowboarding and skydiving i remember was fun, unique, never seen in other game. But that is not enough to keep me entertained.
I think its not bad game just a bit boring, but if theres no one to play with than its not an MMO and its not fun at all.
Just like Vanguard I will never play an MMO that has bugs soon as you log into the game. Plus, I thought this game wasn't even around anymore? Who is fixing the bugs? The Janitor?
FUncom putting the FU in fun since 1993.
First, your "game" has only until the courts decide in _Pix_ favor in May and shut Farlan down completely, and then it goes bye-bye.
Second, it's nice you link to all these vids which show the Mafate engine being used, since the illegal use of that engine is what is getting DnL shut sown ( although it should have been shut down long ago when your precious devs were stealing players blind ).
Last, if you're looking for fans to come play, try the mental institutions. You'll find very few "fans" here, and those few are already playing this monstocity.
So you may want to go back and tell Farlan " Wow, boss. You said being a shill would be easy, but I got shut down quick! Where's my payment? Hello?.....Hello?....."
I have to jump in here.
chucky233,
The game is indeed awesome to anyone who has not experienced such a large world before. However, after leaving the starting Baronies, a player who has experienced the game for awhile very quickly realizes that the content simply dries up.
Worse, there is simply not a large enough player base to provide any player generated content that is meaningful or enduring.
The GMs have tried to the best of their abilities to do what they can, and should be applauded for their efforts, but in the end, it is simply not enough.
The player community is very good. Indeed, one of the best I have ever seen. But that too is not enough.
The game is very unstable, and bug ridden, with no effort made to fix it, and no resources available to do so.
The company is guilty of mismanagement, and stonewalling at the very least, and deliberate fraud and theft at worst.
Even if the legal issues are resolved in Farlan's favor, (which is increasingly doubtful), the engine over which they have been arguing may not be 'fixable', and is probably outdated beyond updating.
As a front line MMO, Dark and Light was doomed within 3 months of release. It may labor on as a free to play novelty, but that is all I fear.
Enjoy it, (I did while I played), but don't believe that there will be a 'rebirth' sometime in March.
BTW:
To those who are convinced that anyone who does not immediately hate the game must necessarily be an employee of Farlan, try reducing your caffine intake, or you're likely to hurt yourself.
We don't automatically think that anyone who doesn't immediately hate the game is a Farlan emplyee. We figure that a good precentage of those folks are probably just nuts.
Admit it, if this game was not free and free to play there would be no one playing it right now.
We don't automatically think that anyone who doesn't immediately hate the game is a Farlan emplyee. We figure that a good precentage of those folks are probably just nuts.
Admit it, if this game was not free and free to play there would be no one playing it right now.
ROFL.
Indiramourn;
To be honest, you are probably correct. I cannot see how anyone would pay to play DnL as it is today.
But let me be clear.
We are all interested in MMOs. It is, (at least), one of our recreational pastimes. We have all sampled many, and will likely sample others as they become available.
We are all individuals with different preferences. None of us holds a monopoly on experience, all of us are entitled to our opinions.
Those that dislike the game and the company have very eloquentley presented their case here, and I must say that their criticisms are valid (mostly)
But:
Accusing posters of being simpletons or schills merely because they are new or disagree with your point of view is not only arrogant in the extreme, but counter-productive to the point of view you wish to present.
The sad truth of the matter is that the concepts espoused by DnL, (even if not impimented), or Vanguard, or Darkfall, are NOT the direction that front-line MMOs are taking.
WoW, (being the 800lb gorilla of the MMO universe), has set the template for other game companies as they either try to 'out-WoW' WoW, or steal away some small niche market-share.
If you are an advocate of a 'sandbox' MMO system as I am, then games like DnL, (at least conceptually, if not actually), should be presented to gamers as an example of how future MMO (in the hands of the right company), might evolve.
To that degree you should encourage gamers to experience what a truly huge world 'feels' like.
If you want to warn them off about how the promised content that was never impilmented, or about the bugs, or the company's business practices, or the lack of support, etc. then do so.
But please, do not presume to think for them or to force your point-of view on them. They will find out for themselves soon enough what the warts and blemishes of DnL are.
It is possible to enjoy one's stay there, however short that stay might be. Let them have that enjoyment. Taking the shirt off of someone else's back is not going to make yours any warmer.
Someday, hopefully, the vision of DnL and other games will be realized; but not if the vision itself is allowed to die.
Well the OP has only ever started 3 topics, two talk about how great DnL is and one about Fury.
Agh and other shills -- you claim that in our arrogance we prevent people from playing this game. That, however, is incorrect.
In your own, I must say 'eloquence", you yourself have stated the abysmal performance and content in this game. You yourself have acknowledged the shananigans played out by the sleazy team of Farceland and NPFleece. You yourself have testimony of the problems with this game from the download to the actual play to the content to the bugs riddled throughout.
With that, any post that claims this game is the bomb, its fantastic, its fun, its enjoyable is complete and utter candy coated bs.
All we arrogant people do is tell them the truth. Period.
These posts that claim how "fun" the world is, how "big" the world is......its all candy coated bs. There are INDEED OTHER GAMES with a massive world -- there are INDEED OTHER GAMES with flying -- there are INDEED OTHER GAMES with the "ideas" and "visions" of DNL. DNL is not a revolutionary game nor even 'the next big thing in mmo".....they blew it. It's old hat now - blase' and DNL's debut was a complete failure.
You can definitely believe when it is said that NO ONE will be inspired by the "vision" of DNL. Hold up, I take that back. They will indeed be inspired by it, by the simple fact of HOW NOT TO PRODUCE A GAME as well as HOW NOT TO MARKET a game, as well as HOW NOT TO TREAT YOUR FANS, as well as HOW NOT TO LIE TO CUSTOMERS and finally, DNL is indeed a useful tool for learning HOW NOT TO RIP CUSTOMERS, COLLEAGUES and the MMO INDUSTRY off.
Farceland and NPFleece still have an obtrustive and abnormal view of the truth and what exactly it is. This game is horrible. There are no "miracle" patches -- that story has been around for years and is STILL not produced -- there are no stable servers, content, decent working quests or even a fixed launcher. We tell people before they waste their time, energy and puter space. We tell the truth.
You call that arrogance.
Backatcha.
Not to put too fine a point on it, I think people are quite capable making their own decisions, without the benefit of your insights or mine.
While you may certainly recite the litany of problems that DnL has had and your opinion of the game and the company for the benefit of those who are new to DnL, It crosses the line when one throws insults at them merely because they are new and excited about their first impressions of the game.
The long list of indictments that you and others have made concerning the game will become apparent to anyone who plays it over time.
Hard as it may be for you to accept, not everyone agrees with your point of view. That certainly does not mean that they are fools, or plants, or paid employees of Farlan.
It is not your opinion of the game or the company that I take issue with, rather it is your treatment of any that hold a different point of view.
[your court]
My personal treatment of any who express idiotic, outlandish and absolute candy coated bs is exactly as I treat any other person who posts. Thier "views" include such propaganda its an insult to any reader who bothers to read this forum. Most of the recent (within the past year that is) posts that claim this game is anything other than an abysmal failure are indeed insulting to the entire mmo community.
I do believe that your accusations against me personally and any other regular and informed poster here are in fact what you are doing yourself. Insulting the intelligence of the general mmo community with the sugar coated view of DNL. The "shills" for lack of a better word, post here to get people to play it. What you arent realizing is that the word is and has been out about this game. Trying to get unsuspecting people to try it is simply a baldfaced attempt at sugar coated horrible truths and most end up frustrated and disillusioned even more with the entire mmo industry.
Telling the truth isnt insulting anybody. Sugar coating the truth indeed is.
Calling people names, questioning their motives and integrity, not to mention their intelligence, is a poor substitute for intelligent discourse.
You have valid points to make about the game and the company; is it so difficult for you to do so without resorting to personal attracks?
People play for different reasons. If they wish to try the game, then it really is their own business and their own choice is it not? They can decide whether or not the game is worth keeping on their hard drive without the benefit of your opinion or mine.
No one that I know of is insisting that you play, or that you approve of the game or the company. In many respects I agree with your views about the game, and have said as much.
Where we differ, is in the attitude exhibited toward those that either do not agree with your or my assessment, or who would simply rather find out for themselves.
People lets stay on topic please.
Agh50, the main contention here seems to be that you are implying that the simple facts about DnL that Cholayna outlined in their posts above (well known facts to those folks who have been here since DnL beta, people like me and Cholayna) are just Cholayna's opinions. I agree that Cholayna comes on kind of strong now and then, but she (I seem to recall that Cholayna is a she) is not just stating opinions in her posts. And by-the-way, I've always respected your comments on DnL.
Ultimately, for me, I refuse to show any respect to Farlan and company for what they did to their playerbase, either by trying to point out positives in the game or recommending that other people "try it for themselves and judge." I'd prefer that DnL and Farlan disappear into the ether and save my gaming comrades the ultimately "more painful than pleasant" experience of DnL.
Thank you Indira. Agh seems to think that simply because I state the facts, that these are only "opinions". The OP stated the game is fun. The OP, it was also pointed by out by yet another member/poster here at mmorpg.com, had made only 3 posts -- 2 saying how good DNL is and one about Fury. I think that says alot. Yes,that was an opinion of mine. Anyone who comes on here and has only 3 posts, and those posts are bald-faced shill posts -- shill whether the poster is paid or not -- then its my opinion, as well as that of others as you can see in this thread. Opinion based on reasonable circumstances.
The circumstances here in this "game" DNL are not what the OP stated.
People are free to do as they wish. Nothing I say can or will hold them back from doing what they wish. Pretty freakin kewl some people think that I wield as much influence as to be able to accomplish that!! LMAO.
The OP's "opinion" would have had more weight if he was indeed a regular here at mmorpg and not just someone that comes on to try to bury a hot topic with ridiculous claims about this game.
I believe that I have made it clear that everyone is entitled to their opinion. Indeed, it is that very position that I have been lobbying for.
If a poster comes here full of excitement and enthusiasm about his 'discovery' and wishing to share that, then why is there an immediate assumption that he is being disingenuous? Perhaps, he is merely excited.
Pointing out the instability of DnL, or the bugs, or lack of content after level 25, are all valid, (even informative), observations that someone new to DnL might not yet be aware of, and might be interested in knowing.
The past business practices of the company and the ongoing legal issues with VWorld would also be informative and of interest to a new player to DnL.
Everyone has a 'first' post. I do not see how that makes the slightest difference whatsoever. The number of posts an individual makes does not necessarily correlate with their experience or knowledge of a subject.
In this case, the OP is new to the game, and new to the MMORPG forum. His experience there is limited, but that does not mean he hasn't the right to express his enthusiasm or to be slammed for doing so.
Let him be excited, he will discover on his own what others already know.
If one feels the absolute necessity to contradict his post, then perhaps a less confrontational tone would be more appropriate.
As to 'fact' vs. 'opinion':
I spend most of my time in Norrath these days, but I still log into DnL a couple of times a week. I am well aware of all that is wrong with the game, yet, for me, it is very relaxing, (even theraputic), to leisurely ride my griffon through the vastness that is Ganareth.
I am not looking to level. I am not looking to PvP. I am not looking to test myself against other players or to make a name for myself.
What I am seeking from the game is a low stress leisurely environment where I may search for steele of those that went before, and to record their locations and epitaths, or perhaps stop and take a screenshot of some ruins or camp. In other words, what I am seeking from the game is not necessarily what others are seeking. And for what I am seeking, the game meets my needs.
Trying to convince me that the game is an utter waste of my time might be valid if I were seeking the same things that many players are seeking.
I am not. For those types of experiences I look elsewhere, for I know they are not to be found in Ganareth; (at least not for me)
For the small number of players that still reside in Ganareth, they, at least, have found it enjoyable. Are we to say they have no right to enjoy the game, or that they are fools because they do?
Listing the negative aspects of the game and the company are all valid. Perhaps it may provide a service to those who come here for information on the game.
Yet there are some that still enjoy it despite all that is wrong with it. So be it. Let them enjoy it for their own reasons. Being critical of them simply because they find some reason to stay, does no service to anyone.
Saying that DnL has stability problems is a fact. Saying DnL has compatability problems with ATI graphics cards or the Vista operating system is a fact. Saying that Farlan tried to bill players months after they had cancelled their accounts is a fact. Saying that there is little to no support from the company is a fact.
Saying the game is a waste of time is an opinion. Saying the game is un-enjoyable is an opinion. Saying that anyone who finds something positive in the game is a 'schill', is an opinion. Saying that anyone who claims that the game is fun is candy coated BS is an opinion.
I am fairly confident that I know the difference between the two.
Bottom line, I would never try to get a gamer friend who I truly cared for to try DnL.
You can have a discussion about those rare aspects of the "game" (I use the term loosly) that somehow seem to work and can be spoken of positively. But overall, there are so many flaws it's like trying to appreciate the flavor of a cow dung browny because you dropped a couple of M&M's in it while it was baking.
It's not merly a question of debate and opinions. Trying to find something worthwhile about DnL ultimately condones what Farlan did to their customers and the dedicated DnL fanbase that included 1000's of trusting, supportive people that were ultimately reemed, robbed, and left for dead by a developer who saw an opportunity to make a quick buck off a failed product that should have never seen the light of day.
I think perhaps that you have defined the fundamental difference between our two positions.
You, (and others), seem to feel that finding *anything* positive about the game is tantamont to an endorsement of Farlan, whereas I can, (and do), make a separation between the positive and negative.
Alas, I am afraid that these may be irreconcilable differences, and that we may debate the issue forever without finding common ground.
So I suppose in the end we must recognize that we are never likely to agree, and that the best we can hope for is to respect each other. A pity really, but such is life.
Luck in battle until our paths should cross again.
BTW, (just FYI), I am Thornn (Fae Ranger) in EQ2, (Venekor roleplay PvP server), in case you may wish to cross swords with me in-game some time.
Adieu for now.
MMORPG.com needs more folks like you posting in their forums, agh50. I hope our paths do cross again. While I had lots of fun for the year+ that I played EQ2, I have since moved on (back actually). A 4 year vet of CoX (my husband and I love to team up and put the smackdown on the bad guys), and some LoTRO now and then.
And as far as games I am waiting for? WAR will definitely be worth a look as I have great respect for the Mythic devs (long time DAoC player). We shall see. But I'm far too cynical these days to get my hopes up too high. hehe
Come on guys, don't be so arsh, the game has 2 very important positive points:
1st. The DnL forum in here made me laugh so much i m almost glade i was scammed so i could laugh that hard at myself.
2nd It was a learning experience, after DnL no MMO can let me down, i even loved Vanguard when it was released, before it became empty...
and there will be a 3rd soon, i hope, the satisfaction when the whole game is shut down, and the devs will have to pay _PiX_ for their theft....
See guys, lot's of positive things with DnL!!
Well... It's March 26th. You guaranteed a patch. So... Where is it?
You are simply pathetic.
My advice to you is this. Head over to the Darkfall board and join some of the folks there. They have a few diehards just like you. You'll fit in nicely.