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Shadow4482
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The only good PVP memories ive had was DAOC.
My question to you guys is - Are there any decent ones trying out? And is it possible to go back to DAOC? Is it a ghost town now? How is the population?
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I personally enjoyed Anarchy Online PvP, but that was 4 years ago...
if you lay focus on small scale matchups, Guild Wars PvP can be awsome, really. but it is not really in world PvP... still, GW is much underestimated in PvP. it is exceptionally balanced, never frustrating and very diverse. the only bad thing is the "community". I own all parts and I still love it. and you pay no monthly fee. plus, the PvE campaigns are a blast too.
I liked Shadowbane, which is, like AO, free now and they are about to do a complete reset of all towns and player owned structures, so maybe a good time to start.
Shadowbane is like an early Age of Conan but unfortunately they never really finished the game.
finally, I can say many good things about the more or less pure PvP game EVE online (read my thread in the EVE forums, it's the one about "giefing, gatecamps and the never catch up myths ".)
But it has several limitations:
first of all, not really a limitation, but more like a unique feature, it is scifi, and not like AO with people, but with spaceships. you will be able to walk around in the future, but now you just fly around in pretty spaceships.
then, EVE is hard core. truely. I've quit EVE 3 times, just to start later again. it can be very frustrating, but even when I got sick of it, I never found any other game that could match its qualities.
third are the people. EVE PvP players are a more older crowd, and often take the game very seriously. not surprisingly if you consider that the biggest ships need a thousand players to help build them and still need months of planning and secrecy.
forth: EVE is the only game with a calculator and a web browser included in the game engine. and there is a reason for it.
finally, a producer of EVE once said, that the game does not just look like a cold harsh universe, it is designed to be a cold and harsh universe. if you take part in PvP, then PvP is everywhere. there are almost no places where you are in any way truely secure. If you lose your ship, it is gone. as a noob, you get a free one instantly, and you can insure expensive ships, to get most of your money back, but generally, you can lose a lot of money easily. plus, players can cheat and scam you, but this is considered fair game.
if you are still reading, EVE might be worth a try for you. why for heaven's sake?
well, EVE has a couple of unique good features as well:
it is, contrary to all rumors you might hear, the easiest and most balanced game to do PvP as a new player, seriously. Even in Guild Wars you need a lot of points before you can join a good team at Hall of Heroes.
EVE has no classes, no levels, no XP and no professions. All skills are trained if you use them or not, one skill at a time and if you are offline or online. No grinding for XP, never.
Imagine every spaceship available as a class like in DAoC. you can play a "tank" or a dps character, a mage (go invisible, summon people, do fancy things), support, healer or whatever. it all depends on the ship you are in. There are hundreds of different ships in EVE and they really are like hundreds of classes, professions or specializations.
the first big advantage in EVE is, that every player can, theoretically, fly every ship, do every "job" and fill every role, in PvE, PvP or trading. I have played for years and I can fly maybe 40 while using only 5.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaceships_of_EVE_Online (the picture only shows the most well known types)
almost all items (tens of thousands) are produced by players from materials made by players out of resources mined, collected or hunted by players.
it is not a "fake" economy like in many PvE focused games. If people stop mining a certain mineral, prices will react very dramatically. Suddenly a cruiser might cost 3 times as much as yesterday, or if there are too many people producing an item, it will drop rapidly in value.
The marked system is so comfortable and so powerful, you even have statistics over a whole year, how much an items cost at that and that day 6 months ago at which station.
EVE is only one server. Whatever your standing is with other players or player corporations ("guilds"), it will matter. If you are famous, or infamous, it WILL MATTER. Always.
EVE has over 5000 solar systems. every system has planets, those planets have moons and often one or several stations a player can visit, open an office in or (outside high sec) can conquer with his alliance.
The map of EVE is changing every day. dozens of alliances are fighting over pieces of space every second. Player owned outposts are built and destroyed all the time.
The artificial threefold empire structure in DAoC, the 3 kingdoms or empires or whatever they are called, which fight over territory is obsolet in EVE. Why? because those player owned alliances are EXACTLY what you know from DAoC, but their background story, their history and their influence areas are player written, player made and player owned. The company that makes EVE has no influence on these alliances.
take a look at the map of now: http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/CRII/Latest.jpg
(the colors are a personal choice of the map maker. a player. BoB ("Band of Brothers") is traditionally blue, but all other allainces are colored by the "super alliances" they form - the map maker calls them "political power blocks". a personal choice. Those alliance groups can depart and fight eachother from one day to another. important are the single alliances. Right now, it is basically everyone againts BoB...
this is the map 9 months ago: http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/crii/26.03.109.jpg
this is a much older map over one and a half year ago: dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/CRII/30.07.108.jpg
all different colored and named areas belong to players. some with dozens or more systems. this map is ever changing and many alliances which were thought to be invincible are long gone. As you can see, Goonswarm, now the biggest alliance did not even exist 18 months ago on this map, and because most goonswarm players are noobs anyway, most of the players started the game pretty recently in EVE terms.
In DAoC, no faction can lose territory for ever. in EVE, those player factions, player alliances, can be killed. Like wiping out all the elves in a fantasy MMORPG. Right now, five alliances have 2000+ members . one even has over 5000 members. the vast majority of player factions have ZERO, no territory. This map only shows the behemoths of player built alliances.
Most games do not even have 3000 players per server.
If you are in for PvP, you can be a part in the big fight for space and area control.
Except for the bit where they personally helped BoB. Which is why its now everyone against BoB basically.
In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.
-Thomas Jefferson
From my point of view (I am in Morsus Mihi) i can say: Nope.
It's because of Bobs arrogance and ignorance towards others. They sent Mercenaries after us and put other alliances in the space that the mercs conquered. Their political failures are the reason they are now isolated, not an incident happening several years ago.
btw. to the op: I think you can see a bit of Eve politics through this. We fight for a reason.
From my point of view (I am in Morsus Mihi) i can say: Nope.
It's because of Bobs arrogance and ignorance towards others. They sent Mercenaries after us and put other alliances in the space that the mercs conquered. Their political failures are the reason they are now isolated, not an incident happening several years ago.
btw. to the op: I think you can see a bit of Eve politics through this. We fight for a reason.
that's the "problem" in EVE... if no one likes you, there are no gameplay restrictions in place to protect youI call it a feature
what say you?
once you go EVE, you never turn back.
Are there hundreds of thousands of players? No... but there are more than enough for good fights.
My brothers 8 man last night was killing straglers in about a 70 man alb zerg. Was good times.
These are the 2 best PvP MMOs out there for me :
Eve Online:
- steep learning curve
- sandbox (99% player based)
- Open PvP
- must PvE a little before being able to PvP
- real-time based skill system, which makes it technically impossible to reach the same skill level as an older player (can be frustrating)
Guild Wars:
- steep learning curve also (some get it, some don't, some think they have xD)
- only instanced PvP
- accessible at the first min of play (can make lvl max char)
- no grind whatsoever (unless you want to be pretty, then you gotta farm)
- almost impossible for a new player to get into a high-ranked guild
- will probably empty when Guild Wars 2 comes out.
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Waiting for: GW2
*thumbs up*: GW, Eve(, WoW)
*thumbs down*: MO, GA, FE
Shadowbane has good pvp and its free.
And they are about to close all of their servers, and start two new ones
So its a great time to start
A very good post you should post something like this in the EvE forum Sticky for the Noobs to find.
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
Except for the bit where they personally helped BoB. Which is why its now everyone against BoB basically.
I wont reply to any replies from this post but i will just say that after an thorough investigation BoB and CCP was largely exonerated. Basically to those who don't know one Developer through a gaming Alt [no one knew he was a dev] he game some low end Ammo blueprints and a Ship blueprint. Part of the old scandal was how he wasnt fired for this largely because he was disciplined by inexperienced people as everyone else was on holiday and as Iceland has the Double Jeopardy law he couldn't be disciplined twice for the same thing.In the end No-one in-game was affected by this or even noticed it happened [unless they visit the forums regularly].
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
A very good post you should post something like this in the EvE forum Sticky for the Noobs to find.
thanks! I have a related thread in the EVE forums, but it's not so basic stuff like I've written here... maybe I write sth like that later...
glad that someone liked it
I would really like to hear the opinion of the OP....
Sorry, havent been able to check the forums in awhile.
The guide you posted was very nice, although I am looking for a fantasy game. (I should have asked that in the beginning, sorry, the post was rushed) I am doing the DAOC 14 Day Trial, if anyone has a classic server guild that would accept a new player, please message me!
Well, this thread got me really interested to try Eve. I used to play this game called Elite, and then many years later Privateer. I loved those games,and to play them on a grand scale with others would be incredible. So, there is no such thing as a safe zone, where you can PVE-only? Its complete risk, like UO? That would bring the exhilaration back to gaming that I've been missing. Thanks for the great posts!
Guild Wars pvp.
Both. There is a huge place where PvP is restricted. But not by "you cant attack this guy here", but "if you attack this guy, a large police force will blow your ship up.". It does not prevent PvP altogether, but it is a rare occasion.
(There are of course exceptions. You can legally shoot people who stole from you, or, if you are in a player corporation, who declared war on you etc.)
This makes me interested in EVE as well. I've always heard it was a good game. Thing is I don't like space flying games. I wish there were a ground based game similar to EVE.
It's not completely clear yet what the devs are planning but Earthrise looks like it might be similar to eve in some ways.
deviliscious: (PS. I have been told that when I use scientific language, it does not make me sound more intelligent, it only makes me sound like a jackass. It makes me appear that I am not knowledgable enough in the subject I am discussing to be able to translate it for people outside the field to understand. Some advice you might consider as well)