Burning Crusade was the worst expansion pack I've ever seen. Almost 4 years and all blizzard did was BC, lol
Funny, as far as expansions goes I thought it was nicely done ^^
4 years? The game has hardly been up that long (has it?)
No, it hasn't. It was released in Nov of 2004 which is 3 years and about 3 months now. By the time 4 years comes around they'll probably be another expansion in the books. And don't forget the 15 patches and counting, which will probably be about 18 after 4 years. That's effectively an expansion every 2 years and more than 4 patches a year which is basically every 3 months coming out with updates. Some people will never be satisfied though.
As for the OP, I just don't understand the need to come here to tell people your quitting after 3 years and 4 characters to 70. You obviously received a ton of gameplay from the game. What exactly do you want? Unending gameplay that you never get tired of? I love my wife and we have 4 kids together, but after 20 years of marriage, that gets old too. I don't go around telling everyone I'm bored with her though, I appreciate the great times we've had for the last 20 years.
Burning Crusade was the worst expansion pack I've ever seen. Almost 4 years and all blizzard did was BC, lol
Funny, as far as expansions goes I thought it was nicely done ^^
4 years? The game has hardly been up that long (has it?)
No, it hasn't. It was released in Nov of 2004 which is 3 years and about 3 months now. By the time 4 years comes around they'll probably be another expansion in the books. And don't forget the 15 patches and counting, which will probably be about 18 after 4 years. That's effectively an expansion every 2 years and more than 4 patches a year which is basically every 3 months coming out with updates. Some people will never be satisfied though.
As for the OP, I just don't understand the need to come here to tell people your quitting after 3 years and 4 characters to 70. You obviously received a ton of gameplay from the game. What exactly do you want? Unending gameplay that you never get tired of? I love my wife and we have 4 kids together, but after 20 years of marriage, that gets old too. I don't go around telling everyone I'm bored with her though, I appreciate the great times we've had for the last 20 years.
Had I been more eloquent I would have stated my opinion more like this. Well said!
I love my wife and we have 4 kids together, but after 20 years of marriage, that gets old too. I don't go around telling everyone I'm bored with her though, I appreciate the great times we've had for the last 20 years.
ROFL. I'm in the same boat, 3 kids and 25 years of marriage this month, and I agree with you 100%. Unlike MMORPG games though, I'm not just free to up and quit and go try a new one out. (darn) No wonder I like playing these games so much.
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Burning Crusade was the worst expansion pack I've ever seen. Almost 4 years and all blizzard did was BC, lol
Funny, as far as expansions goes I thought it was nicely done ^^
4 years? The game has hardly been up that long (has it?)
No, it hasn't. It was released in Nov of 2004 which is 3 years and about 3 months now. By the time 4 years comes around they'll probably be another expansion in the books. And don't forget the 15 patches and counting, which will probably be about 18 after 4 years. That's effectively an expansion every 2 years and more than 4 patches a year which is basically every 3 months coming out with updates. Some people will never be satisfied though.
As for the OP, I just don't understand the need to come here to tell people your quitting after 3 years and 4 characters to 70. You obviously received a ton of gameplay from the game. What exactly do you want? Unending gameplay that you never get tired of? I love my wife and we have 4 kids together, but after 20 years of marriage, that gets old too. I don't go around telling everyone I'm bored with her though, I appreciate the great times we've had for the last 20 years.
Grats pappy,in 20 years you never had your account hacked made 4 alts,maybe a few "patches"on the way and your still playing,nice 1 mate
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
I love my wife and we have 4 kids together, but after 20 years of marriage, that gets old too. I don't go around telling everyone I'm bored with her though, I appreciate the great times we've had for the last 20 years.
Grats pappy,in 20 years you never had your account hacked made 4 alts,maybe a few "patches"on the way and your still playing,nice 1 mate
Thank you. The game of life beats the hell out of any MMO I ever played. LOL
People can argue all they want, but all MMORPGs are repetive and the same. Last time I really enjoyed a MMORPG was UO before tram/fel, but that could be because MMORPGs were new to me at the time.
You know I've debated that kind of statement internally for a long time.
The "I used to have fun or I had fun here and here but don't anymore." So that all MMO's must suck and will always suck kind of arguement.
Yet more or less I decided this wasn't true. Oh its true to the point that 99% of products out are.. Yes ARE repetitive because...
They rehash the exact some play mechanic.
I loved UO... played from 1997 until 2002 (all my friends finally quit).
Tried EQ absolutely hated it.. hated AC... Oh I liked Anarchy Online probably due to the SciFi nature of the game. However, 6 months after launch all my friends had gone... I honestly didn't have the issues that most did with the game.
I always went back to UO.
Hell when DAoC launched I played 30 days and decided that game was trash.. back to UO.
Then I decided to track down some friends... and found they were in DAoC .. took them until Nimue launched to get me to come back.
Oh well to make this ramble short.. I loved SWG Pre-CU.
NO I do NOT want to debate SWG... I'm just talking about games I played.
Yes I left due to the CU... it was the first attempt to make the game "the same".
So... in the end..
Ya I'm pretty bored with MMO's.. thinking about throwing in the towel.
In the end.. no its not that MMO's have to suck or be the same.
It IS the reality that everyone keeps trying to make the same game mechanic.. spin it as something new.
So I log into a "new" game... and its like... damn I've been here before.. over and over and over. You know that Deja-Vu type feeling. Because even tho the skins and names are different... I have been there before.. over and over and over.
I've played 2 skill based MMO's... and more than I can count EQ clones or clones or whatever EQ copied..
So I suppose if most mmo's had been skill based I'd be bored by now..
However, I honestly have to realize that class/level based games will never make me happy.
Oh and final statement...
I played DAoC until recently.. only because every person I killed in RvR.. I pretended was one of those level/class based Developers...
I played WoW until the honor system figured that was the end of world pvp and any fun pvp so thats when I quit. I do find it funny that people just enjoy grinding stuff but are always on here bit*$*ing about grinding. What do you do in WoW? Pvp in BGs/Arenas grinding out two things honor and arena points that you can save up and spend on gear. Its a boring grind because you run the same pointless arenas/bgs that have no effect on anything its just a game of capture the flag. Then you grind the instances in order to get gear so you can grind the heroics and then gear from there to grind the raids. Then when you are bored you can gain rep with faction x and grind for their gear.
Then Blizzard comes out with wotlk and everything you grinded for is worthless now because you have 10 more levels and have to do all that stuff all over agian I dont get it. The whole damn game is a grind and people just eat it up.
Then Blizzard comes out with wotlk and everything you grinded for is worthless now because you have 10 more levels and have to do all that stuff all over agian I dont get it. The whole damn game is a grind and people just eat it up.
But it's a rather fun grind. So, you play untill you start to feel it, take a break few months or until the new expansion comes out and then do the part that is most fun in WoW all over again... you explore new areas, read new quests and have a laugh here and there... you find people above and belove your level, you help someone, laugh at others.... you craft, you PVP, you just go riding trough the new areas to see if tthere is something you missed... eventualy you get to hard core raiding or PVPing and start the grind again. At first it's fun, it's good, it's skillz and that sort of thing and then you start to feel it. At that point you stick around some more, chat with guildies, hunt some alli noobs and "pull of their wings", spend some time on alt on two and then you say farewell and quit.
THE END
If you're lucky, you get at least 6-8 months out of it before you burn out. If you're not lucky, WoW is your 7th MMO and by that point you are royaly pissed that you have to do the same crap all over again, then you come to forums and preach the truth.
As far as I'm concirned, those 8 months is all the truth I need.
The problem with WOW is there is no significant penalty for dying. And every fight is pretty easy except when it's an elite boss, and then it's still doable.
WOW is on training wheels, and when there is no fear of dying, the dungeons become less scary and the achievements less meaningful.
The problem with WOW is there is no significant penalty for dying. And every fight is pretty easy except when it's an elite boss, and then it's still doable. WOW is on training wheels, and when there is no fear of dying, the dungeons become less scary and the achievements less meaningful.
There's a difference between fear and frustration. Making me forfeit XP or having to spend a long period of time just trying to get back to the point where I was or making me lose valuable items is frustrating. The only fear in games that do that is of being frustrated by these mechanics, not the actual death itself. No game can make death have meaning unless you are talking about about a game that has true death. You die, your character is gone. Start a new one. Now that's fear.
You play your first MMO for longer because you're learning the ropes and everything is shiny and new. MMOs themselves were an entirely new experience for me - regardless of EQ1's gameplay. I was enamoured by this new genre, and EQ1 just happened to be my first game.
So if I don't play WoW for 5 years, I won't consider the game to be inferior to EQ1 because I played it for a shorter time. The amount of time you played doesn't really equate to quality. I spent a long, long time just waiting for shit to spawn in EQ1 - I appreciate that WoW removed a lot of pointless timesinks from the first era mmorpgs, and this contributes to the fact that people burn through the game faster.
Less time wasted, more time playing. Good job Blizzard.
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
No, it hasn't. It was released in Nov of 2004 which is 3 years and about 3 months now. By the time 4 years comes around they'll probably be another expansion in the books. And don't forget the 15 patches and counting, which will probably be about 18 after 4 years. That's effectively an expansion every 2 years and more than 4 patches a year which is basically every 3 months coming out with updates. Some people will never be satisfied though.
I was going to say Blizz went with quantity over quality, but really, the quantity isn't all that much compared to some other mainstream MMOs. The quality is definately lacking. For a company pulling in the kind of money they are, they sure do move really slow... I always think of a big juggernaut that can barely move under its own weight. Maybe the success has gotten to them and they don't give a crap about creating fun content anymore. All they seem to be able to do is crank out the boring grind content. I guess there are enough people out there that eat this kind of inferior crap up that that's all they really need to do. /shrug
Well, if they continue that way, you can bet there will be a "WoW killer" MMO at some point. And the longer Blizz continues to crank out crap content, the less it will take for another game to steal a huge chunk of their player base.
And yes, some people will never be satisfied, thankfully. Better than those people that are easily amused and just take whatever crap content they are sold and think that's the best there is. I'd rather be in the crowd that expects more than a grinding snorefest of a game.
No, it hasn't. It was released in Nov of 2004 which is 3 years and about 3 months now. By the time 4 years comes around they'll probably be another expansion in the books. And don't forget the 15 patches and counting, which will probably be about 18 after 4 years. That's effectively an expansion every 2 years and more than 4 patches a year which is basically every 3 months coming out with updates. Some people will never be satisfied though.
I was going to say Blizz went with quantity over quality, but really, the quantity isn't all that much compared to some other mainstream MMOs. The quality is definately lacking. For a company pulling in the kind of money they are, they sure do move really slow... I always think of a big juggernaut that can barely move under its own weight. Maybe the success has gotten to them and they don't give a crap about creating fun content anymore. All they seem to be able to do is crank out the boring grind content. I guess there are enough people out there that eat this kind of inferior crap up that that's all they really need to do. /shrug
Well, if they continue that way, you can bet there will be a "WoW killer" MMO at some point. And the longer Blizz continues to crank out crap content, the less it will take for another game to steal a huge chunk of their player base.
And yes, some people will never be satisfied, thankfully. Better than those people that are easily amused and just take whatever crap content they are sold and think that's the best there is. I'd rather be in the crowd that expects more than a grinding snorefest of a game.
No, it hasn't. It was released in Nov of 2004 which is 3 years and about 3 months now. By the time 4 years comes around they'll probably be another expansion in the books. And don't forget the 15 patches and counting, which will probably be about 18 after 4 years. That's effectively an expansion every 2 years and more than 4 patches a year which is basically every 3 months coming out with updates. Some people will never be satisfied though.
I was going to say Blizz went with quantity over quality, but really, the quantity isn't all that much compared to some other mainstream MMOs. The quality is definately lacking. For a company pulling in the kind of money they are, they sure do move really slow... I always think of a big juggernaut that can barely move under its own weight. Maybe the success has gotten to them and they don't give a crap about creating fun content anymore. All they seem to be able to do is crank out the boring grind content. I guess there are enough people out there that eat this kind of inferior crap up that that's all they really need to do. /shrug
Well, if they continue that way, you can bet there will be a "WoW killer" MMO at some point. And the longer Blizz continues to crank out crap content, the less it will take for another game to steal a huge chunk of their player base.
And yes, some people will never be satisfied, thankfully. Better than those people that are easily amused and just take whatever crap content they are sold and think that's the best there is. I'd rather be in the crowd that expects more than a grinding snorefest of a game.
I was going to say Blizz went with quantity over quality, but really, the quantity isn't all that much compared to some other mainstream MMOs. The quality is definately lacking. For a company pulling in the kind of money they are, they sure do move really slow... I always think of a big juggernaut that can barely move under its own weight. Maybe the success has gotten to them and they don't give a crap about creating fun content anymore. All they seem to be able to do is crank out the boring grind content. I guess there are enough people out there that eat this kind of inferior crap up that that's all they really need to do. /shrug Well, if they continue that way, you can bet there will be a "WoW killer" MMO at some point. And the longer Blizz continues to crank out crap content, the less it will take for another game to steal a huge chunk of their player base. And yes, some people will never be satisfied, thankfully. Better than those people that are easily amused and just take whatever crap content they are sold and think that's the best there is. I'd rather be in the crowd that expects more than a grinding snorefest of a game.
Until the day comes that the "formula" they've been following so far (that has led to financial success beyond anyones expectations) begins to fail, they will have no reason to change what they are going.
Subs continue to go up, no matter how much you or I might dislike the game now. (I had fun in the day, I'll admit it) and as long as that trend continues or holds steady, expect them to follow their plan.
They'd be crazy not to. And that's OK, because there are some new games coming out for us to try that won't be WOW and we'll get a chance to see if we enjoy them any better.
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Originally posted by Gonodar I was going to say Blizz went with quantity over quality, but really, the quantity isn't all that much compared to some other mainstream MMOs. The quality is definately lacking. For a company pulling in the kind of money they are, they sure do move really slow... I always think of a big juggernaut that can barely move under its own weight. Maybe the success has gotten to them and they don't give a crap about creating fun content anymore. All they seem to be able to do is crank out the boring grind content. I guess there are enough people out there that eat this kind of inferior crap up that that's all they really need to do. /shrug Well, if they continue that way, you can bet there will be a "WoW killer" MMO at some point. And the longer Blizz continues to crank out crap content, the less it will take for another game to steal a huge chunk of their player base. And yes, some people will never be satisfied, thankfully. Better than those people that are easily amused and just take whatever crap content they are sold and think that's the best there is. I'd rather be in the crowd that expects more than a grinding snorefest of a game.
WoW isn't high quality?
I don't mean to offend, so please don't be, but you are totally 100% un-arguably wrong.
Just because you and others here on MMORPG.com don't like WoW doesn't mean the game is not high quality.
You may not think it's a "quality" game, but your opinion is entirely subjective.
From an ENTIRELY objective, bias free, un-opinionated viewpoint, WoW is probably the MOST high quality MMO ever created.
How do I know this? Just look at the numbers.
For the record, I don't really play anymore. I got burned out on the end-game raid content. But I consider it to be a very high quality game. That's my opinion, my subjective analysis.
Saying that WoW isn't high quality is like saying that Vanguard is the highest quality MMO ever released.
Quality isn't about subjective measure. You can't say a 250,000 $ Rolls Royce isn't high quality just because you don't like it. It IS high quality, it's a fact.
Sounds like someone wants a tissue....... Ill be your reality check here K? No one cares if your leaving a game nor do they care about how many 70's you have or how great you thought you were. Maybe if you put your "3 years, 4 70s", and stale PERSONALITY into a job or a woman you might have something else to talk about.
Ok biohunter I will give you a reality check,This MMORPG.com forums not job+women.com forums,so why dont you try to stay on topic.
You are on mmorpg, and we talk about mmorpgs here, not about pussy, work, or children ( no offence ladies)
What are you doing in here then?
I played WoW, and i started WoW only becouse i was a sucker for Warcraft lore. Its just very good story... Now after spending about 2 years in game, i am orggimar grunt..... Couze i actually have life and i cant progress on 25man raids to go further.
Wow ends when you hit 70, and clear kara... then some pvp, geting sick of it, then gang a bit low levels, and then you cancell sub ( to be honest soon, i think soon we will see decreasing sub number, not rising( gold farmers))
Btw i have decent job, i have girlfriend(soon wife) ( which i love more then life it self ) and managed to play WoW aswel. I wount say i wasted all that time in WoW, no its just was my time spend on something...
So if you not sucesfull in life, no need to blaime mmorpg or computer games for it, maybe after all something wrong with you?
Wow (pun intended) ... 3-4 years is a LONG time to play one single MMORPG.
I just started WOW last Dec and I am having a lot of fun. It is a GREAT (best in all the ones I have tried and I have played a lot) but I doubt I will play it for more than 1 or 2 year.
I feel your pain. Been playing for 4 years. Over 3100 hours have been saved by my xfire. Looking at some other games now. FFXI, Phantasy star universe, mabye warhammer. I dunno. Your playing style was so similar to mine its kind of scary. Except I did not ever use any alts. Ive played 1 char for 4 years and just pvped :P.
For four years, yet the game was released in November 2004. Good try.
One thing that I really hate about WoW is that it's all about gear. Point. You raid for better gear. You go into the arena/BGs for better gear. I know so many people who do _not_ PvP for fun. No, they PvP because they want to get those uber cool epixx(tm). How can a BG fun if 90% of all players in this game do not care about the game, the objectives, the fun, but only care about their honor per hour ratio?
I wish there was a MMORPG where gear wouldn't matter, really.
One thing that I really hate about WoW is that it's all about gear. Point. You raid for better gear. You go into the arena/BGs for better gear. I know so many people who do _not_ PvP for fun. No, they PvP because they want to get those uber cool epixx(tm). How can a BG fun if 90% of all players in this game do not care about the game, the objectives, the fun, but only care about their honor per hour ratio? I wish there was a MMORPG where gear wouldn't matter, really.
Why is that a problem? People like to collect stuff and that is a perfectly fun activities for many.
You can't force people to care about what you care about.
One thing that I really hate about WoW is that it's all about gear. Point. You raid for better gear. You go into the arena/BGs for better gear. I know so many people who do _not_ PvP for fun. No, they PvP because they want to get those uber cool epixx(tm). How can a BG fun if 90% of all players in this game do not care about the game, the objectives, the fun, but only care about their honor per hour ratio? I wish there was a MMORPG where gear wouldn't matter, really.
Why is that a problem? People like to collect stuff and that is a perfectly fun activities for many.
You can't force people to care about what you care about.
I am fine with people who like to collect things for I like to collect things myself. I am not fine with people in MMORPGs who do not care about team-work and winning the game, but only about their own epixx. The attitude of those players is constantly ruining my game experience. Why do I have to lose another game because 70% of all players do not care about the game and 10% is AFK?
The problem with WOW is there is no significant penalty for dying. And every fight is pretty easy except when it's an elite boss, and then it's still doable. WOW is on training wheels, and when there is no fear of dying, the dungeons become less scary and the achievements less meaningful.
Hmm .. it is a GAME. Scientific research is meaningful achievement. Getting an epic in a game is NOT.
I would not connect that term with an game. After all, it is easy to jack up the difficulty artificially. Will you feel you achieve more if all the mobs now have 2x life? If so, run your own private server.
And if that is the case, why frustrate the players? WOW is just right (and I prefer it to be a bit easier) for a nite of stress-free questing. Blizzard is SO successful because they understand what their customers want.
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Funny, as far as expansions goes I thought it was nicely done ^^
4 years? The game has hardly been up that long (has it?)
No, it hasn't. It was released in Nov of 2004 which is 3 years and about 3 months now. By the time 4 years comes around they'll probably be another expansion in the books. And don't forget the 15 patches and counting, which will probably be about 18 after 4 years. That's effectively an expansion every 2 years and more than 4 patches a year which is basically every 3 months coming out with updates. Some people will never be satisfied though.
As for the OP, I just don't understand the need to come here to tell people your quitting after 3 years and 4 characters to 70. You obviously received a ton of gameplay from the game. What exactly do you want? Unending gameplay that you never get tired of? I love my wife and we have 4 kids together, but after 20 years of marriage, that gets old too. I don't go around telling everyone I'm bored with her though, I appreciate the great times we've had for the last 20 years.
Funny, as far as expansions goes I thought it was nicely done ^^
4 years? The game has hardly been up that long (has it?)
No, it hasn't. It was released in Nov of 2004 which is 3 years and about 3 months now. By the time 4 years comes around they'll probably be another expansion in the books. And don't forget the 15 patches and counting, which will probably be about 18 after 4 years. That's effectively an expansion every 2 years and more than 4 patches a year which is basically every 3 months coming out with updates. Some people will never be satisfied though.
As for the OP, I just don't understand the need to come here to tell people your quitting after 3 years and 4 characters to 70. You obviously received a ton of gameplay from the game. What exactly do you want? Unending gameplay that you never get tired of? I love my wife and we have 4 kids together, but after 20 years of marriage, that gets old too. I don't go around telling everyone I'm bored with her though, I appreciate the great times we've had for the last 20 years.
Had I been more eloquent I would have stated my opinion more like this. Well said!
ROFL. I'm in the same boat, 3 kids and 25 years of marriage this month, and I agree with you 100%. Unlike MMORPG games though, I'm not just free to up and quit and go try a new one out. (darn) No wonder I like playing these games so much.
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Funny, as far as expansions goes I thought it was nicely done ^^
4 years? The game has hardly been up that long (has it?)
No, it hasn't. It was released in Nov of 2004 which is 3 years and about 3 months now. By the time 4 years comes around they'll probably be another expansion in the books. And don't forget the 15 patches and counting, which will probably be about 18 after 4 years. That's effectively an expansion every 2 years and more than 4 patches a year which is basically every 3 months coming out with updates. Some people will never be satisfied though.
As for the OP, I just don't understand the need to come here to tell people your quitting after 3 years and 4 characters to 70. You obviously received a ton of gameplay from the game. What exactly do you want? Unending gameplay that you never get tired of? I love my wife and we have 4 kids together, but after 20 years of marriage, that gets old too. I don't go around telling everyone I'm bored with her though, I appreciate the great times we've had for the last 20 years.
Grats pappy,in 20 years you never had your account hacked made 4 alts,maybe a few "patches"on the way and your still playing,nice 1 mate
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8
Grats pappy,in 20 years you never had your account hacked made 4 alts,maybe a few "patches"on the way and your still playing,nice 1 mate
Thank you. The game of life beats the hell out of any MMO I ever played. LOL
The "I used to have fun or I had fun here and here but don't anymore." So that all MMO's must suck and will always suck kind of arguement.
Yet more or less I decided this wasn't true. Oh its true to the point that 99% of products out are.. Yes ARE repetitive because...
They rehash the exact some play mechanic.
I loved UO... played from 1997 until 2002 (all my friends finally quit).
Tried EQ absolutely hated it.. hated AC... Oh I liked Anarchy Online probably due to the SciFi nature of the game. However, 6 months after launch all my friends had gone... I honestly didn't have the issues that most did with the game.
I always went back to UO.
Hell when DAoC launched I played 30 days and decided that game was trash.. back to UO.
Then I decided to track down some friends... and found they were in DAoC .. took them until Nimue launched to get me to come back.
Oh well to make this ramble short.. I loved SWG Pre-CU.
NO I do NOT want to debate SWG... I'm just talking about games I played.
Yes I left due to the CU... it was the first attempt to make the game "the same".
So... in the end..
Ya I'm pretty bored with MMO's.. thinking about throwing in the towel.
In the end.. no its not that MMO's have to suck or be the same.
It IS the reality that everyone keeps trying to make the same game mechanic.. spin it as something new.
So I log into a "new" game... and its like... damn I've been here before.. over and over and over. You know that Deja-Vu type feeling. Because even tho the skins and names are different... I have been there before.. over and over and over.
I've played 2 skill based MMO's... and more than I can count EQ clones or clones or whatever EQ copied..
So I suppose if most mmo's had been skill based I'd be bored by now..
However, I honestly have to realize that class/level based games will never make me happy.
Oh and final statement...
I played DAoC until recently.. only because every person I killed in RvR.. I pretended was one of those level/class based Developers...
I played WoW until the honor system figured that was the end of world pvp and any fun pvp so thats when I quit. I do find it funny that people just enjoy grinding stuff but are always on here bit*$*ing about grinding. What do you do in WoW? Pvp in BGs/Arenas grinding out two things honor and arena points that you can save up and spend on gear. Its a boring grind because you run the same pointless arenas/bgs that have no effect on anything its just a game of capture the flag. Then you grind the instances in order to get gear so you can grind the heroics and then gear from there to grind the raids. Then when you are bored you can gain rep with faction x and grind for their gear.
Then Blizzard comes out with wotlk and everything you grinded for is worthless now because you have 10 more levels and have to do all that stuff all over agian I dont get it. The whole damn game is a grind and people just eat it up.
But it's a rather fun grind. So, you play untill you start to feel it, take a break few months or until the new expansion comes out and then do the part that is most fun in WoW all over again... you explore new areas, read new quests and have a laugh here and there... you find people above and belove your level, you help someone, laugh at others.... you craft, you PVP, you just go riding trough the new areas to see if tthere is something you missed... eventualy you get to hard core raiding or PVPing and start the grind again. At first it's fun, it's good, it's skillz and that sort of thing and then you start to feel it. At that point you stick around some more, chat with guildies, hunt some alli noobs and "pull of their wings", spend some time on alt on two and then you say farewell and quit.
THE END
If you're lucky, you get at least 6-8 months out of it before you burn out. If you're not lucky, WoW is your 7th MMO and by that point you are royaly pissed that you have to do the same crap all over again, then you come to forums and preach the truth.
As far as I'm concirned, those 8 months is all the truth I need.
The problem with WOW is there is no significant penalty for dying. And every fight is pretty easy except when it's an elite boss, and then it's still doable.
WOW is on training wheels, and when there is no fear of dying, the dungeons become less scary and the achievements less meaningful.
There's a difference between fear and frustration. Making me forfeit XP or having to spend a long period of time just trying to get back to the point where I was or making me lose valuable items is frustrating. The only fear in games that do that is of being frustrated by these mechanics, not the actual death itself. No game can make death have meaning unless you are talking about about a game that has true death. You die, your character is gone. Start a new one. Now that's fear.
You play your first MMO for longer because you're learning the ropes and everything is shiny and new. MMOs themselves were an entirely new experience for me - regardless of EQ1's gameplay. I was enamoured by this new genre, and EQ1 just happened to be my first game.
So if I don't play WoW for 5 years, I won't consider the game to be inferior to EQ1 because I played it for a shorter time. The amount of time you played doesn't really equate to quality. I spent a long, long time just waiting for shit to spawn in EQ1 - I appreciate that WoW removed a lot of pointless timesinks from the first era mmorpgs, and this contributes to the fact that people burn through the game faster.
Less time wasted, more time playing. Good job Blizzard.
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
I was going to say Blizz went with quantity over quality, but really, the quantity isn't all that much compared to some other mainstream MMOs. The quality is definately lacking. For a company pulling in the kind of money they are, they sure do move really slow... I always think of a big juggernaut that can barely move under its own weight. Maybe the success has gotten to them and they don't give a crap about creating fun content anymore. All they seem to be able to do is crank out the boring grind content. I guess there are enough people out there that eat this kind of inferior crap up that that's all they really need to do. /shrug
Well, if they continue that way, you can bet there will be a "WoW killer" MMO at some point. And the longer Blizz continues to crank out crap content, the less it will take for another game to steal a huge chunk of their player base.
And yes, some people will never be satisfied, thankfully. Better than those people that are easily amused and just take whatever crap content they are sold and think that's the best there is. I'd rather be in the crowd that expects more than a grinding snorefest of a game.
I was going to say Blizz went with quantity over quality, but really, the quantity isn't all that much compared to some other mainstream MMOs. The quality is definately lacking. For a company pulling in the kind of money they are, they sure do move really slow... I always think of a big juggernaut that can barely move under its own weight. Maybe the success has gotten to them and they don't give a crap about creating fun content anymore. All they seem to be able to do is crank out the boring grind content. I guess there are enough people out there that eat this kind of inferior crap up that that's all they really need to do. /shrug
Well, if they continue that way, you can bet there will be a "WoW killer" MMO at some point. And the longer Blizz continues to crank out crap content, the less it will take for another game to steal a huge chunk of their player base.
And yes, some people will never be satisfied, thankfully. Better than those people that are easily amused and just take whatever crap content they are sold and think that's the best there is. I'd rather be in the crowd that expects more than a grinding snorefest of a game.
You'll be back, you'll see...
I was going to say Blizz went with quantity over quality, but really, the quantity isn't all that much compared to some other mainstream MMOs. The quality is definately lacking. For a company pulling in the kind of money they are, they sure do move really slow... I always think of a big juggernaut that can barely move under its own weight. Maybe the success has gotten to them and they don't give a crap about creating fun content anymore. All they seem to be able to do is crank out the boring grind content. I guess there are enough people out there that eat this kind of inferior crap up that that's all they really need to do. /shrug
Well, if they continue that way, you can bet there will be a "WoW killer" MMO at some point. And the longer Blizz continues to crank out crap content, the less it will take for another game to steal a huge chunk of their player base.
And yes, some people will never be satisfied, thankfully. Better than those people that are easily amused and just take whatever crap content they are sold and think that's the best there is. I'd rather be in the crowd that expects more than a grinding snorefest of a game.
You'll be back, you'll see...
He probably already is....and can't stand it. LOL
Until the day comes that the "formula" they've been following so far (that has led to financial success beyond anyones expectations) begins to fail, they will have no reason to change what they are going.
Subs continue to go up, no matter how much you or I might dislike the game now. (I had fun in the day, I'll admit it) and as long as that trend continues or holds steady, expect them to follow their plan.
They'd be crazy not to. And that's OK, because there are some new games coming out for us to try that won't be WOW and we'll get a chance to see if we enjoy them any better.
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I played Asheron's Call for 4 years. MMOs prior to WoW were just as addictive and fun.
I don't mean to offend, so please don't be, but you are totally 100% un-arguably wrong.
Just because you and others here on MMORPG.com don't like WoW doesn't mean the game is not high quality.
You may not think it's a "quality" game, but your opinion is entirely subjective.
From an ENTIRELY objective, bias free, un-opinionated viewpoint, WoW is probably the MOST high quality MMO ever created.
How do I know this? Just look at the numbers.
For the record, I don't really play anymore. I got burned out on the end-game raid content. But I consider it to be a very high quality game. That's my opinion, my subjective analysis.
Saying that WoW isn't high quality is like saying that Vanguard is the highest quality MMO ever released.
Quality isn't about subjective measure. You can't say a 250,000 $ Rolls Royce isn't high quality just because you don't like it. It IS high quality, it's a fact.
If any moderator here, delete this message, i made a small booboo
i dont spam by any chance! sorry!
Ok biohunter I will give you a reality check,This MMORPG.com forums not job+women.com forums,so why dont you try to stay on topic.
What are you doing in here then?
I played WoW, and i started WoW only becouse i was a sucker for Warcraft lore. Its just very good story... Now after spending about 2 years in game, i am orggimar grunt..... Couze i actually have life and i cant progress on 25man raids to go further.
Wow ends when you hit 70, and clear kara... then some pvp, geting sick of it, then gang a bit low levels, and then you cancell sub ( to be honest soon, i think soon we will see decreasing sub number, not rising( gold farmers))
Btw i have decent job, i have girlfriend(soon wife) ( which i love more then life it self ) and managed to play WoW aswel. I wount say i wasted all that time in WoW, no its just was my time spend on something...
So if you not sucesfull in life, no need to blaime mmorpg or computer games for it, maybe after all something wrong with you?
Wow (pun intended) ... 3-4 years is a LONG time to play one single MMORPG.
I just started WOW last Dec and I am having a lot of fun. It is a GREAT (best in all the ones I have tried and I have played a lot) but I doubt I will play it for more than 1 or 2 year.
For four years, yet the game was released in November 2004. Good try.
One thing that I really hate about WoW is that it's all about gear. Point. You raid for better gear. You go into the arena/BGs for better gear. I know so many people who do _not_ PvP for fun. No, they PvP because they want to get those uber cool epixx(tm). How can a BG fun if 90% of all players in this game do not care about the game, the objectives, the fun, but only care about their honor per hour ratio?
I wish there was a MMORPG where gear wouldn't matter, really.
Why is that a problem? People like to collect stuff and that is a perfectly fun activities for many.
You can't force people to care about what you care about.
Why is that a problem? People like to collect stuff and that is a perfectly fun activities for many.
You can't force people to care about what you care about.
I am fine with people who like to collect things for I like to collect things myself. I am not fine with people in MMORPGs who do not care about team-work and winning the game, but only about their own epixx. The attitude of those players is constantly ruining my game experience. Why do I have to lose another game because 70% of all players do not care about the game and 10% is AFK?
Hmm .. it is a GAME. Scientific research is meaningful achievement. Getting an epic in a game is NOT.
I would not connect that term with an game. After all, it is easy to jack up the difficulty artificially. Will you feel you achieve more if all the mobs now have 2x life? If so, run your own private server.
And if that is the case, why frustrate the players? WOW is just right (and I prefer it to be a bit easier) for a nite of stress-free questing. Blizzard is SO successful because they understand what their customers want.