An SOE-Vanguard MMO Experience

LadyGamer

Interesting assumption, like the rest of your arguments. I do not think that his wife would appreciate you saying that about me, flattering as it is. Please Do not assume you know me. You don't.

 

The fact that you base all your arguments, on assumptions about the man's personality, has left me to believe you have no argument based in truths AT ALL.  So that leaves two options:

1. You are blind to information and the truth and would rather live in your comfortable world of ignorant security.

2. SOE has their hand deep in your pocket, handling the pair of little tictacs you have dangling somewhere in there, causing you to turn a blind eye to fact.

Ignorance is like a cult. Dangerous.

 

 

Zorgo

 

Originally posted by LadyGamer


Interesting assumption, like the rest of your arguments. I do not think that his wife would appreciate you saying that about me, flattering as it is. Please Do not assume you know me. You don't.
 
The fact that you base all your arguments, on assumptions about the man's personality, has left me to believe you have no argument based in truths AT ALL.  So that leaves two options:
1. You are blind to information and the truth and would rather live in your comfortable world of ignorant security.
2. SOE has their hand deep in your pocket, handling the pair of little tictacs you have dangling somewhere in there, causing you to turn a blind eye to fact.
Ignorance is like a cult. Dangerous.
 
 

You joined yesterday, and your only two posts are in vehement support of someone who has constructed a terrible argument full of holes and contridictions, admissions of rule breaking all sprinkled with a bizarre need to keep 'proving' he was right to people who don't believe his version of the story.

 

I think DailyBuzz has ample reason to suspect your motives, as pure as they may be, if you aren't a Warsong 'plant' it would be a pretty amazing coincidence.

Warsong

 

Originally posted by DailyBuzz


 
Originally posted by LadyGamer


I read through the post carefully and found that the information given was very compelling and certainly worth further investigation. It would not be the first time that a -power hungry/starved- GM has trolled around. Other games have had similar issues with inside trading/ebay selling. GM's, like the rest of us, are not above the lure of cheating and/or tunnel vision. They are human.

Did the spouse make an appearance?

 

Didn't you mention something about conspiracy theories LMAO And here you are having one OMG I love irony. My wife has an account here already but hasn't posted as I have yet to need anyone help in my posts, both my family and guild know and recognize this.

Sheep need a flock I do not, cattle need a herd and again I do not. Being strong individually makes for a stronger group (guild charter).

 

Originally posted by DailyBuzz





You tried unsuccessfully in your OP to convince me and others that you were wrongly banned.

 

You confuse an intent to convince with a statement of fact.

Warsong

 

Originally posted by Zorgo


 
Originally posted by LadyGamer


Interesting assumption, like the rest of your arguments. I do not think that his wife would appreciate you saying that about me, flattering as it is. Please Do not assume you know me. You don't.
 
The fact that you base all your arguments, on assumptions about the man's personality, has left me to believe you have no argument based in truths AT ALL.  So that leaves two options:
1. You are blind to information and the truth and would rather live in your comfortable world of ignorant security.
2. SOE has their hand deep in your pocket, handling the pair of little tictacs you have dangling somewhere in there, causing you to turn a blind eye to fact.
Ignorance is like a cult. Dangerous.
 
 

You joined yesterday, and your only two posts are in vehement support of someone who has constructed a terrible argument full of holes and contridictions, admissions of rule breaking all sprinkled with a bizarre need to keep 'proving' he was right to people who don't believe his version of the story.

 

I think DailyBuzz has ample reason to suspect your motives, as pure as they may be, if you aren't a Warsong 'plant' it would be a pretty amazing coincidence.

 

Actually no one here but you have posted a more poorly constructed argument to be quite honest. And I think DailyBuzz is BuzzedDaily.

I imagine that others may come here to see this as this is not the only media outlet this info is reaching and a link to this thread is included.

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Heltern

Originally posted by Warsong


 
IMHO this is the first intelligent post that makes great sense and many fine points. I understand and agree with 100% of it.  
 
 
I also understand their policies are strict and initially they were polite with a small exception to GM Volson asking me over and over on the 1st day "Are you sure your not using a pet macro"  There is only so many times this can be answered with the same response which was exactly what I was doing.  "No, I am pushing the pet bar attack button only once each test" before it starts to wear thin over the course of an hour" 
And I don't and didn't mind helping the staff but I am a customer and I pay money to play a game not test bugs for the people I'm putting food on the table for to be direct. And as a customer I want great customer service and shown a degree of respect that makes me feel like I'm being trusted. I am a honest man and I not only didn't like the feeling I was getting from him it was compounded with the lag and CTD's I was getting the next day. I don't mind at all a GM following me as long it's not as prolonged as it was and causing me to have a horrible gaming experience. If it wasn't causing me lag and CTD's they can follow me 24/7 and I wouldn't care, I could have tolerated the *swoosh* noise.
And yes I can and did understand that GM Volson may have been busy and that was fine also and no he did not give me any instructions like "don't fight, don't fight with pet, don't test, don't pvp, don't play the game" I would have followed any of those instruction and even the last as long as the time was reasonable or if longer met with compensation in some fashion for the money I pay the company for the product I am expected to receive. GM Volson said nothing other than things to the effect that the problem was being handled or it would be fixed soon and neither of those replies turned out to even be true.
It was my wife with the help of guild mates who days later proved to them that another bug existed which leaves only 1 conclusion, they didn't believe me at all and they banned me because they thought I was using a pet macro and I wasn't and they couldn't prove I was because I wasn't. And that led me to believe that when I called 858-537-0898 and spoke with Mat H. (CSR) I was first told by him that he was obligated to give me the details of why the account was banned, he put me on hold for a bit and then told me "It was for using in game exploits" I then asked him to explain and he refused and said he didn't know and would tell me nothing else other than his supervisor was Scott D.
The mail sent giving reasons first lists the main reason
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 And then lists some others and 2 of them are true which involves me speaking out in anger to GM's and  on the forums which I felt justified in doing because of the way the whole thing was handled. There are some other things there twisted and even fabricated claiming I said other things I would never say and didn't say even if angered. I would get great satisfaction and comfort if their superiors asked/demanded them to produce the evidence.
At this point even if the ban is lifted it would take some serious azz kissing and at the very least serious action taken by their employers to those responsible for the fabrications made. As it stands my guild of 65 members/accounts are going through the process being removed from the game and this company.
TY for your interest and logic /deepbow       Your attitude is the kind that will improve customer service as well as many other things I'm sure
 
 
With the exception on day 1 when I was pvping Havoc just after the server came up I have no way of knowing one way or the other if my pet is supposed to be doing what it was doing or not, for months now rogues and monks have been killing players in pvp in 1 second using a not only allowed macro but a VG designed and GM encouraged to use macro (I was using no macro and as I was doing nothing different than I did the day/weeks/months before my first thought was in was an intended change by the dev team).
And of the 3 Havoc one was a rogue so why would I stop fighting them when it took my pet 2-4 seconds to kill each of them the rogue could have killed me in 1 second. The whole double standard going on with the unbalancing and backward logic here is just another issue that stinks to hell-o. And with this in mind I wasn't not going to stop using my class abilities unless instructed to do so and this never once happened.

I am glad to see this group of thieves continueing to lose customers, my greatest joy will to see the turd called Vanguard cancelled. It was sheer thievery to release the product in the condition it was, compounded by the huge lies Brad told. I hate all these people and love to see them fail. The great turd known as Everquest was a game  with the most greedy, two faced shits I have ever seen. I won't even get into how broken some classes are after 9 years. Vanguard sucks, will always suck, and if you play I pity you for your stupidity.

Orthedos

Originally posted by Warsong


 
Originally posted by Orthedos


It is not necessary for all these anti-SoE posts.  Its totally irrelevant.  Its an issue concerning a dispute over a ban, and that happened for every game, now and then.  Fact is WoW banned more accounts than any other games, just b/c they have 10million to pick from.
To the OP: I cannot past any judgment, your story is all I read and that is not enough to warrant a conclusion.  I do notice that you have rendered your position very vulnerable.  Your behaviour makes you very case very suspicious.
You went afk in a zone where PVPers can attack you,  You set your pet on guard mode.  Do you seriously believe that a normal pet will keep you alive when you go afk in against a PVP attack?  If not, why do it (you have to convince the GM not me).  If you do so b/c you believe the pet can keep you alive, the GM have grounds to suspect you of exploiting a bug: your behaviour did lend weight to this theory.
No one knows if you intend to exploit the bug, but your act renders your position highly vulnerable to accusation.  You have a lot of explanations to do, and given the "fact" that you keep doing PVP and go afk with a pet on guard mode, your chance to convince a GM will be weakened.
Good luck trying to get back your account.

 

1) I went afk to get a drink as many players do all day long so it was only moments and the zone/chunk was empty when I did this and was back in time.  At that point I never changed the pet settings and was not afk. I get the impression you didn't read very carefully.

2) I have no wish or desire to get the account back as I have now blocked SOE from ever being able to receive payment from my credit cards. I have no wish or desire to ever be a customer of SOE again.

I read what you said, and I am not accusing you of cheating, as I do not have any evidence for or against.  All I know is what you said, so I know no better.

The only point I said is, you have a hard time explaining yourself.  Whether you intend to cheat is not the point of consideration here, no one knows what you intend and its not provable.  Your observed behaviour, unfortunately, weakens your case of defence.

Since you already give up on SoE, I should revise my last sentence:  Good luck finding another way of killing time .

Kerith

I can't say if the OP did something wrong or not ... at least he seems to believe that he does'nt.

From reading his wifes chat (where she was very polite imo) I would have expected a detailed explanation in the declared email. But it seems to be a uniform reply email.

Vanguard was a trainwreck from the beginning and I would think that CS should be extra careful to keep the remaining customers ... this ... at least IS poor customer support. Period.

 

I wish you luck finding a nice new game ... and hopefully it has a TRAINED CS staff

Warsong

Originally posted by Kerith



I wish you luck finding a nice new game ... and hopefully it has a TRAINED CS staff

Thx I can tell you it will not be EVE (I heard what went on there with a cheating GM thx to people making reports like this ).

And not Dark and Light (were I single handedly uncovered and exposed GM's passing out god weapons to their friends, took a bit of time spying and infiltrating some guilds but even this just scratches the surface of the nightmare which was customer service in this game).

AoC and War Hammer are the front runners for our guilds next home with WH currently being at the top of the list. Needless to say SOE will be avoided like the plague!

Warsong

Originally posted by Orthedos


 
Originally posted by Warsong


 
Originally posted by Orthedos


It is not necessary for all these anti-SoE posts.  Its totally irrelevant.  Its an issue concerning a dispute over a ban, and that happened for every game, now and then.  Fact is WoW banned more accounts than any other games, just b/c they have 10million to pick from.
To the OP: I cannot past any judgment, your story is all I read and that is not enough to warrant a conclusion.  I do notice that you have rendered your position very vulnerable.  Your behaviour makes you very case very suspicious.
You went afk in a zone where PVPers can attack you,  You set your pet on guard mode.  Do you seriously believe that a normal pet will keep you alive when you go afk in against a PVP attack?  If not, why do it (you have to convince the GM not me).  If you do so b/c you believe the pet can keep you alive, the GM have grounds to suspect you of exploiting a bug: your behaviour did lend weight to this theory.
No one knows if you intend to exploit the bug, but your act renders your position highly vulnerable to accusation.  You have a lot of explanations to do, and given the "fact" that you keep doing PVP and go afk with a pet on guard mode, your chance to convince a GM will be weakened.
Good luck trying to get back your account.

 

1) I went afk to get a drink as many players do all day long so it was only moments and the zone/chunk was empty when I did this and was back in time.  At that point I never changed the pet settings and was not afk. I get the impression you didn't read very carefully.

2) I have no wish or desire to get the account back as I have now blocked SOE from ever being able to receive payment from my credit cards. I have no wish or desire to ever be a customer of SOE again.

I read what you said, and I am not accusing you of cheating, as I do not have any evidence for or against.  All I know is what you said, so I know no better.

 

The only point I said is, you have a hard time explaining yourself.  Whether you intend to cheat is not the point of consideration here, no one knows what you intend and its not provable.  Your observed behaviour, unfortunately, weakens your case of defence.

Since you already give up on SoE, I should revise my last sentence:  Good luck finding another way of killing time .

I'm direct, brash and colorful.....but to the point someones behavior never weakens a truth or a reality.

IMHO a brash reality serves us better than a flowered truth. Now you could say that I come across as abrasive like a guy named Simon but the result is usually accurate when he declares "You have no singing talent whatsoever and that noise you were making hurt my ears"

Slampig

I have been following this thread for a bit now and to me, it just seems each time someone posts mentioning how you did this or that and it seemed kind of weird, you always fire back, basically saying these people have not read what you have posted.

 

I have read what you have posted along with all the replies...

 

Seems kind of shady to me...

 

swede2

Alls you have to do is look at his posting history , take a good look at the other threads he has started on this site The guy is nothing but a pre CU SWG sony hater

swede2

Originally posted by Warsong


 
Originally posted by Kerith



I wish you luck finding a nice new game ... and hopefully it has a TRAINED CS staff

Thx I can tell you it will not be EVE (I heard what went on there with a cheating GM thx to people making reports like this ).

 

And not Dark and Light (were I single handedly uncovered and exposed GM's passing out god weapons to their friends, took a bit of time spying and infiltrating some guilds but even this just scratches the surface of the nightmare which was customer service in this game).

AoC and War Hammer are the front runners for our guilds next home with WH currently being at the top of the list. Needless to say SOE will be avoided like the plague!

Single handedly , to funny .Dont forget to wear your cape to the launch of WAR

LadyGamer

Originally posted by swede2


Alls you have to do is look at his posting history , take a good look at the other threads he has started on this site The guy is nothing but a pre CU SWG sony hater

Considering that the OP pointed that out, and said he gave SOE another chance ( proving you are just another flamer ) it makes me wonder HOW MUCH WORK you went through to find all his other posts to come up with this conclusion.

Your argument is null and void.

Try again, and this time try not to butcher the English language.

swede2

Originally posted by LadyGamer


 
Originally posted by swede2


Alls you have to do is look at his posting history , take a good look at the other threads he has started on this site The guy is nothing but a pre CU SWG sony hater

Considering that the OP pointed that out, and said he gave SOE another chance ( proving you are just another flamer ) it makes me wonder HOW MUCH WORK you went through to find all his other posts to come up with this conclusion.

 

Your argument is null and void.

Try again, and this time try not to butcher the English language.

Ya it was real hard to look at his posting history , like i care about the English language lady .All  i care about is theres one less exploiting cheater on the pvp server now

Warsong

Originally posted by swede2

Originally posted by LadyGamer


 
Originally posted by swede2


Alls you have to do is look at his posting history , take a good look at the other threads he has started on this site The guy is nothing but a pre CU SWG sony hater

Considering that the OP pointed that out, and said he gave SOE another chance ( proving you are just another flamer ) it makes me wonder HOW MUCH WORK you went through to find all his other posts to come up with this conclusion.

 

Your argument is null and void.

Try again, and this time try not to butcher the English language.

Ya it was real hard to look at his posting history , like i care about the English language lady .All  i care about is theres one less exploiting cheater on the pvp server now

Well considering that you and two other posters here seem never once objective in thought and go out of you way to do extra work to try and prove me wrong seems pretty suspect to say the least.

Orphes

Originally posted by Warsong


 
Originally posted by swede2

Originally posted by LadyGamer


 
Originally posted by swede2


Alls you have to do is look at his posting history , take a good look at the other threads he has started on this site The guy is nothing but a pre CU SWG sony hater

Considering that the OP pointed that out, and said he gave SOE another chance ( proving you are just another flamer ) it makes me wonder HOW MUCH WORK you went through to find all his other posts to come up with this conclusion.

 

Your argument is null and void.

Try again, and this time try not to butcher the English language.

Ya it was real hard to look at his posting history , like i care about the English language lady .All  i care about is theres one less exploiting cheater on the pvp server now

 

Well considering that you and two other posters here seem never once objective in thought and go out of you way to do extra work to try and prove me wrong seems pretty suspect to say the least.

I think it started with them disputing your original post. Did you think common critical thinking don't apply when reading your posts?

Was you expecting getting all SOE-haters to clap your shoulder? All people that bashed in this forum come forth and post "me too" posts or something. Are you disappointed?

Warsong

 

Originally posted by Orphes


 
Originally posted by Warsong


 
Originally posted by swede2

Originally posted by LadyGamer


 
Originally posted by swede2


Alls you have to do is look at his posting history , take a good look at the other threads he has started on this site The guy is nothing but a pre CU SWG sony hater

Considering that the OP pointed that out, and said he gave SOE another chance ( proving you are just another flamer ) it makes me wonder HOW MUCH WORK you went through to find all his other posts to come up with this conclusion.

 

Your argument is null and void.

Try again, and this time try not to butcher the English language.

Ya it was real hard to look at his posting history , like i care about the English language lady .All  i care about is theres one less exploiting cheater on the pvp server now

 

Well considering that you and two other posters here seem never once objective in thought and go out of you way to do extra work to try and prove me wrong seems pretty suspect to say the least.

 

I think it started with them disputing your original post. Did you think common critical thinking don't apply when reading your posts?

Was you expecting getting all SOE-haters to clap your shoulder? All people that bashed in this forum come forth and post "me too" posts or something. Are you disappointed?

 

I expected nothing as I had said before "0 expectations". I accomplished what I set out to do with the OP...others including the few flamers have done nothing more than allow me to point out narrow mindedness, one sided bias and or more information concerning the matter.

I'm an extreme optimist, and being so has allowed me to be entertained by following this thread in it's course....to be honest I have had more fun replying to the flamers and exposing dim witted views/posts/opinions than I had playing VG most the time. With all it's bugs and broken areas in the game,  it's not that hard though with the current dry spell of good MMO's/companies to choose from.

Zorgo

Originally posted by Warsong


 
 
I'm direct, brash and colorful.....but to the point someones behavior never weakens a truth or a reality.
IMHO a brash reality serves us better than a flowered truth. Now you could say that I come across as abrasive like a guy named Simon but the result is usually accurate when he declares "You have no singing talent whatsoever and that noise you were making hurt my ears"

There is being right and there is being nice. In your EULA, you also agreed to be nice. You can be banned for not being nice. You, by your own admission, were NOT nice to the GMs. They have a right to ban anyone for this reason alone.

In one of your posts here you talked of 80% of the 'ban letter' was not true while 20% about your attitude you don't refute. It is safe to assume that 20% is actually 100% the reason for your dismissal.

If you had a different attitude, you probably would have only received a 'don't do it again' slap on the wrist.

I really think you could have gotten away with your 'tests' if you had simply been polite and rational. But looking at your posts here and in other threads, what you call 'brash and colorful' I call insufferable and irrational, and I think even a GM with patience would have become infuriated with you.

And none of that is even to mention that you have said yourself, numerous times in the OP and in further points that you knowingly tested an exploitable bug. Now, we all know that your tests had to be on mobs and/or players, therefore, you used an exploitable bug without permission, this is simply against the rules. This is not a grey area, it is an explicit rule that you broke. It doesn't matter one iota how pure your intentions were. It doesn't matter if you thought you were helping SOE out with your tests. It doesn't matter if you feel the problem wouldn't be addressed for months. You simply broke the rules and then gave your CS rep an attitude. That is why you got banned. And to reiterate, this is using your words, in context, and assuming that your words are true.

I am very sorry you think my opinion, with others here is one-sided. However, we came to the conclusion based on your account of events. You keep trying to make it seem like 'we don't believe your story' when it really doesn't matter, even believing what you say, would still logically end in a ban. You have to come to terms that it is NEVER your job to test exploitable bugs without explicit permission. You have to come to terms that as proud as you are of being like 'Simon'; that attitude can and will get you in trouble in the future. It has gotten you banned in the past.

 

 

Warsong

 

Originally posted by Zorgo


 
Originally posted by Warsong


 
 
I'm direct, brash and colorful.....but to the point someones behavior never weakens a truth or a reality.
IMHO a brash reality serves us better than a flowered truth. Now you could say that I come across as abrasive like a guy named Simon but the result is usually accurate when he declares "You have no singing talent whatsoever and that noise you were making hurt my ears"

 

There is being right and there is being nice. In your EULA, you also agreed to be nice. You can be banned for not being nice. You, by your own admission, were NOT nice to the GMs. They have a right to ban anyone for this reason alone.

In one of your posts here you talked of 80% of the 'ban letter' was not true while 20% about your attitude you don't refute. It is safe to assume that 20% is actually 100% the reason for your dismissal.

If you had a different attitude, you probably would have only received a 'don't do it again' slap on the wrist.

I really think you could have gotten away with your 'tests' if you had simply been polite and rational. But looking at your posts here and in other threads, what you call 'brash and colorful' I call insufferable and irrational, and I think even a GM with patience would have become infuriated with you.

And none of that is even to mention that you have said yourself, numerous times in the OP and in further points that you knowingly tested an exploitable bug. Now, we all know that your tests had to be on mobs and/or players, therefore, you used an exploitable bug without permission, this is simply against the rules. This is not a grey area, it is an explicit rule that you broke. It doesn't matter one iota how pure your intentions were. It doesn't matter if you thought you were helping SOE out with your tests. It doesn't matter if you feel the problem wouldn't be addressed for months. You simply broke the rules and then gave your CS rep an attitude. That is why you got banned. And to reiterate, this is using your words, in context, and assuming that your words are true.

I am very sorry you think my opinion, with others here is one-sided. However, we came to the conclusion based on your account of events. You keep trying to make it seem like 'we don't believe your story' when it really doesn't matter, even believing what you say, would still logically end in a ban. You have to come to terms that it is NEVER your job to test exploitable bugs without explicit permission. You have to come to terms that as proud as you are of being like 'Simon'; that attitude can and will get you in trouble in the future. It has gotten you banned in the past.

 

 

 

 

That's correct after a point I wasn't nice anymore, I was being harassed and mistreated by the staff over having a horrible gaming experience caused by them (not me or other players).  I don't pay companies to give me poor customer service and or a poor gaming experience. I have been in customer service and to be professional you often have to shelve your feelings no matter what a customer says (if you want customers that is and also if you want to remain employed). Since then I have owned companies and I would have fired someone in a heartbeat treating my customers the way they had treated me.

Yours or any others belief or disbelief is required here as neither will change the grass growing or the sky from being blue and will not change the truth from being truth. I was banned for using a bug I didn't use (pet macro) and most the other reasons the staff listed were flat out fabrications (that means they lied FYI, in case your having more trouble comprehending).

Zorgo

Originally posted by Warsong


That's correct after a point I wasn't nice anymore, I was being harassed and mistreated by the staff over having a horrible gaming experience caused by them (not me or other players).  I don't pay companies to give me poor customer service and or a poor gaming experience. I have been in customer service and to be professional you often have to shelve your feelings no matter what a customer says (if you want customers that is and also if you want to remain employed). Since then I have owned companies and I would have fired someone in a heartbeat treating my customers the way they had treated me.


Yours or any others belief or disbelief is required here as neither will change the grass growing or the sky from being blue and will not change the truth from being truth. I was banned for using a bug I didn't use (pet macro) and most the other reasons the staff listed were flat out fabrications (that means they lied FYI, in case your having more trouble comprehending).

How many more times will you admit you committed a bannable offense before admitting you have no case?

So they wrote 'pet macro' instead of 'used an exploitable bug', big freakin deal- symantics; they got the wording wrong, you still committed a bannable offense - that's the truth.

And you directly admit here that you weren't nice. It doesn't matter if they harassed you or mistreated you. If it were just that, you could 'ban' them by not giving them your business - that's the truth

But, it is still THEIR game that you voluntarily subscribed to, agreeing to THEIR rules - be polite when dealing with CS. The rule doesn't say, be polite when dealing with CS unless they harass you first. 

You directly admit here that you weren't nice and that is a bannable offense - that is the truth.

You chose not to adhere to their rules, you felt mistreated and lashed back, again breaking their rules, you were banned.

Let me ask you this, in your ideal situation, what will all those links to this thread do for you?

A. Bring down SOE

B. Bring down Vanguard

C. Get your account reinstated

D. A combination of A and B.

If you think any of these things are going to happen, let me ask you, how is your campaign to bring down SWG going?

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/60195

 

Zorgo

Originally posted by Heltern


How long before YOU shut up! He used a bug that the MORONS in charge programmed right into their crappy bug filled game. Maybe if they had COMPETANT code writers and testers it wouldn't be called, SOE! That company is KNOWN for this shit, turning out substandard product then blaming the customer. This game has 35k subs (Roflmao) because it SUCKS, they can't afford to lose 65, please go play WoW, they need to break 11 million, and the numb nut morons here can make their stupid WoW to McDonalds comments and I can compare Vantard to the local Mexican place that got closed for it's health food violations! Or Britney and I hit back with out of key Polka by the local jerk.
 

You are so sweet, I want to give you a piece of candy and a gold star by your name. Your mother would be proud of you. But to answer your question, I keep trying to shut up, but you guys keep coming back with these kind of posts and I can't help myself. Tell you what, you can quote this response, insult me, insult SOE and claim a fact is true that has no basis in reality (which seems to be the pattern), and I'll be the bigger man and let you have the last word in all your grand temper tantrum low-blow style.

This number is dead wrong, the population has been steadily increasing, not only according to the observations but through an official announcent. Vanguard doesn't have a big population (which I like), but it is not shrinking and you have absolutely no facts supporting your claim what's so ever. I guess you aren't that different from what you claim SOE to be.

And I agree with you in theory. The OP had a bias against SOE and their practices prior to this occurance. So I say, who is more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him? It doesn't matter if what SOE did to this guy is underhanded, shortsighted or undeserved, I am just claiming that they had every right to ban him under their EULA. So you don't think SOE should get to have those rules in their EULA? Tell you what, you start a business and I'll be your customer and explain to you how it needs to be run. I have a feeling with your attitude, you may not want my suggestions. Believe it or not, you don't get to tell anyone how to run their business no matter how much money you have given them. You know how to protest? Stop paying them.

No one has anyone to blame but themselves for the way they spend their money.