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If ANY of you haters of EVE who can't "grasp" the concept of liking EvE, are actually playing ANY of SOE's games then I'm sorry, but you have ZERO room to say jack about EVE. Playing games that are run by SOE is like walking into a free clinic, looking down at your arm, and then saying "Oh, silly me..looks like I broke my arm falling down some stairs *again*" as you walk up to the counter. =_=
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Considering how few people actually play EVE online, I have myself wondered why it is spoken of so highly and so often here. I think that most of the pro-EVE posters are in transit, waiting, or otherwise stuck in one of the time sinks. It is a deadly boring game with brain-dead enemy AI.
Its actually the 5th largest game by market share in the industry. More people play it than EQ, EQ2, Warhammer. LotRo, etc.
You may have a point about the AI, but the new AI for the Sleeper NPCs is quite dynamic. The other thing I'd mention is, if you're complaint with the AI is your objection, you're missing the reason play this game. In other words, it isn't for the PVE.
People like this game for three reasons:
1. The pvp--by far the best PVP game on market imo. You have a severe death penalty. You aren't necessarily relagated to class rolls.
2. The economy--eve has one of the most robust economies in any MMO. Not only that, but production (i.e. crafting) requires highly organized groups of people. To produce some things, requires huge alliances of people and complex logistic chains.
3. Related to 1 and 2 is the sandbox nature of eve. Players change the map of the game. Engage in huge wars over resources. Try to corner markets in trade hubs. Etc.
This isn't for everyone, for sure, but it is for some people and that's why they play.
Considering how few people actually play EVE online, I have myself wondered why it is spoken of so highly and so often here. I think that most of the pro-EVE posters are in transit, waiting, or otherwise stuck in one of the time sinks. It is a deadly boring game with brain-dead enemy AI.
Its actually the 5th largest game by market share in the industry. More people play it than EQ, EQ2, Warhammer. LotRo, etc.
You may have a point about the AI, but the new AI for the Sleeper NPCs is quite dynamic. The other thing I'd mention is, if you're complaint with the AI is your objection, you're missing the reason play this game. In other words, it isn't for the PVE.
People like this game for three reasons:
1. The pvp--by far the best PVP game on market imo. You have a severe death penalty. You aren't necessarily relagated to class rolls.
2. The economy--eve has one of the most robust economies in any MMO. Not only that, but production (i.e. crafting) requires highly organized groups of people. To produce some things, requires huge alliances of people and complex logistic chains.
3. Related to 1 and 2 is the sandbox nature of eve. Players change the map of the game. Engage in huge wars over resources. Try to corner markets in trade hubs. Etc.
This isn't for everyone, for sure, but it is for some people and that's why they play.
I gave it a try for a little over a month and it was an ok game. i suppose it was less appealing to me because im not a space sci-fi junkie. I found myself doing not much of anything. You find most new players log on and mine then log off. There is no game for new players per say from a PVP perspective. EVE may be the best PVP game of its genre but its not the best PVP game online. It's a decent game but i personally require more then flying through black spaces doing nothing and thats how i felt when i was playing EVE.
Considering how few people actually play EVE online, I have myself wondered why it is spoken of so highly and so often here. I think that most of the pro-EVE posters are in transit, waiting, or otherwise stuck in one of the time sinks. It is a deadly boring game with brain-dead enemy AI.
Its actually the 5th largest game by market share in the industry. More people play it than EQ, EQ2, Warhammer. LotRo, etc.
You may have a point about the AI, but the new AI for the Sleeper NPCs is quite dynamic. The other thing I'd mention is, if you're complaint with the AI is your objection, you're missing the reason play this game. In other words, it isn't for the PVE.
People like this game for three reasons:
1. The pvp--by far the best PVP game on market imo. You have a severe death penalty. You aren't necessarily relagated to class rolls.
2. The economy--eve has one of the most robust economies in any MMO. Not only that, but production (i.e. crafting) requires highly organized groups of people. To produce some things, requires huge alliances of people and complex logistic chains.
3. Related to 1 and 2 is the sandbox nature of eve. Players change the map of the game. Engage in huge wars over resources. Try to corner markets in trade hubs. Etc.
This isn't for everyone, for sure, but it is for some people and that's why they play.
I gave it a try for a little over a month and it was an ok game. i suppose it was less appealing to me because im not a space sci-fi junkie. I found myself doing not much of anything. You find most new players log on and mine then log off. There is no game for new players per say from a PVP perspective. EVE may be the best PVP game of its genre but its not the best PVP game online. It's a decent game but i personally require more then flying through black spaces doing nothing and thats how i felt when i was playing EVE.
If You havent played PvP how can you say that EVE's PvP is not the best of the market? I found EVE's PvP the best in the market and I'm not a "Sci-Fi Junkie" either. I've played lot of the "best" mmorpgs in the market and I can assure you that in EVE you will find the best PvP out here.
In Eve-Online over time i know for sure i will have the skills to pilot any ship in game, no matter how long someone else has been playing i know i will get there! In ANY other MMO that will never happen unless i spend hours on end running daily raids and thats assuming i have the time and the means ingame via guild to be part of those high end raids;
You might be able to train the skills for a top-end ship in a few months without actually having to be logged in, but it will take months, and you'll have to do just as much grinding as in any other MMO to actually earn the ISK to be able to afford it.
Originally posted by sabutai22
In Eve-Online i can ALWAYS group and either PvE or PvP with friends reguardless how long they have been playing without penalty; In ANY other MMO that will not happen, if i have been playing for X amount of time and i have reached level cap and my friend JUST made his level 1 character he will NOT be able to hang and raid with me!
I'm sorry, but if you're a new player flying a frigate, you'll be about as much use in a PvP battle as a level 5 character with a group of level 60s in any other MMO. Your frigate has pathetic armour, hardly any fittings and fires puny missiles, so I'm afraid you're talking rubbish if you're trying to suggest a new player can play along side vets and make a similar contribution.
Now in Planetside, your level 1 character really can have as big a gun and as heavy armour as anyone. But that's for a different forum!
actually, in my first two weeks of play... i was doing the dreaded "tackling" in a roaming gang. i normally didn't get locked as folks were trying to get away from me before i could lock them down.
grinding for isk? yeah, everything is a grind if you don't enjoy it i guess. only thing is in a game like wow, you have to grind for levels, gold, reputations, pvp points, the list goes on...
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
we like EVE because u are not forced to do anything! If u hate PvP, stay in Empire. If u like it, train some skills (takes a while, no questions asked) and go 0.0 and blow up some miners! Its not like a normal M MORPG where u can reach the endgame by grinding 24/7while being spammed by OMGROFLLOLPWNZU-kiddies because they dont have what it takes to play a game as awesome as EVE (exception=me xD) but f u like killing 100k dumb mobs which would stomp you in the ground if you encountered them in reality, play WoW.... CCP made EVE a game that is extremely close to reality. Example: It is impossible to calculate the exact coordinates where you need to warp to to start that epic close range battle we all know from SW, even if you could, you wouldnt do it because it would result in a huge loss of ships if you not count in weapon ranges, signature radiuses and so on. Now WoW: Imagine you, in the real world, standing in a desert, beneath a purple sky, with a wooden stick and a bit of silk on your body, and that huge (PINK!) dinosaur running straight towards you. 1.) There is no magic. 2.) If there was, you would never have the chance of chanting 5 spells in a row before 3.) the 2-times-bigger-than-you-(PINK!)-velociraptor-thingy just rips you apart. Just for an Example.
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Just a little snipe on your comments because the way you say it makes it sound a lot easier than it is.
First, if you want to pvp in this game and you are just starting out, plan on spending 6 months to a year training skills before you are even remotely close to being viable.
Second, if you want to pvp, better get with a guild that has at least a small pve-only task group. Otherwise, your weapons and ships will be inferior.
Finally, unless you are part of a large successful guild, ships larger than battleships are out of the question. Everything above battleship class vessels requires someone with a command ship being there to open warps for you so you can move your vessel around in a timely manner. Otherwise you are stuck in the system in which you built your vessel.
just a little snipe on your comments...
i made a post a little earlier, talking about how i was tackling in the first couple of weeks i was playing.
did i mention the huge stockpile of ships and mods that were available to me, to include whatever loot i wanted from what we were picking up? that corp was rather communist in the way it handled "stuff".
dunno, i guess it's like all other games, you have people that seem to have an impossible time learning to play, much less mastering any parts of the game... and you have people that play the game, and play it well.
sort of like life.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
Some people really like the fact you can buy your way in EVE. You just buy game time cards and trade them in-game for in-game currency as often as you want to.
CCP's in game involvement ( sorry, cheating in my eyes ) drove me away. I don't spend my money on a game where the developers favor one group of players over another.
The only arguement I've seen is that Eve is "hardcore, full loot pvp, strategic, political, takes lots of planning, high risk consequences etc..."
But the truth is, EVE is a game and the people who play it are just tricked into thinking it's so much more than what it is.
The only thing you lose when you get "pwned" in EVE (just like every other game) is your time that you put into it.
you didn't lose 4 billion ISK, you just lost 2 weeks of your life.
So stop and think... what the fck is so good about playing a game which can take the last 40 hours of your life you invested into it if you forgot to clone your ship and you died?
I'll tell you, NOTHING. It's completely stupid. you would be 100X better off spending 40 hours working, investing that money into shares, and THEN you are playing a real game which is "hardcore, strategic, political, takes lots of planning, high risk consequences etc..." the only difference is that you waste 80% of your time in EVE travelling to places.
EVE is a huge borefest which is NOT hardcore at all. I could create an account, use EVEMon, log on only to put skill points in. Giving me a total of about 20 hours of play time for a year (+ some time to use the boring travel system to go get some training books from a market somewhere - where as you would think with all the technology in EVE there would be a delivery system to bring the book to you). Then I could just buy a stack of game cards, transfer them to ISK and I could have a better ship than someone who has played 10 hours a day for that year.
Some people really like the fact you can buy your way in EVE. You just buy game time cards and trade them in-game for in-game currency as often as you want to.
The rest of the players like those people too. They tend to buy ships they don't have the skill to use correctly, then take them into PvP battles only to watch it get blown up in short order.
There are certain queer times and occasions in this strange mixed affair we call life when a man takes this whole universe for a vast practical joke, though the wit thereof he but dimly discerns, and more than suspects that the joke is at nobody's expense but his own. -- Herman Melville
Everybody ? Who is everybody ? Do they even have 250k people playing this game ? I know the mmo media guys love this game because it is different from the rest but whoever said that different was good.
I agree that Eve isn't great... First off, LOL. The only arguement I've seen is that Eve is "hardcore, full loot pvp, strategic, political, takes lots of planning, high risk consequences etc..." These are the arguments you choose to see and then just dismiss them. There are many reasons why Eve is great but I really don't care to list them all here again for you because you are too lazy or ignorant to read and comprehend what you just read. But the truth is, EVE is a game and the people who play it are just tricked into thinking it's so much more than what it is. If you say so. The only thing you lose when you get "pwned" in EVE (just like every other game) is your time that you put into it. This is true. What would you rather lose ? You arm in real life ? Would you rather the police came and arrested you or something equally retarded as your comments here ? you didn't lose 4 billion ISK, you just lost 2 weeks of your life. Again, LOL. Don't you know ? Don't fly what you can't afford to lose or are afraid to lose. There are many other ships to fly and it's not like there are that many capital ship pilots out there. Nice exaggeration here though to try and make shit up. So stop and think... what the fck is so good about playing a game which can take the last 40 hours of your life you invested into it if you forgot to clone your ship and you died? Maybe you should learn to play the game better. Umm WTF does clone your ship mean ? If you mean your character clone then WTF are you doing forgetting about that ? LIke I said learn to play, don't be a brain dead retard just because you played WoW for too long and now you can't think for yourself. I'll tell you, NOTHING. It's completely stupid. you would be 100X better off spending 40 hours working, investing that money into shares, and THEN you are playing a real game which is "hardcore, strategic, political, takes lots of planning, high risk consequences etc..." the only difference is that you waste 80% of your time in EVE travelling to places. You are right about the fact that you could be better off investing your time and money in the stock markets but that's work and Eve is a game that people play to relax from work. Your over exaggerations and absurd comparisons are mind bogglingly stupid. 80% of your time traveling ? Maybe you should find a nice place and settle in for a while. Not so much traveling that way. EVE is a huge borefest which is NOT hardcore at all. I could create an account, use EVEMon, log on only to put skill points in. Giving me a total of about 20 hours of play time for a year (+ some time to use the boring travel system to go get some training books from a market somewhere - where as you would think with all the technology in EVE there would be a delivery system to bring the book to you). Then I could just buy a stack of game cards, transfer them to ISK and I could have a better ship than someone who has played 10 hours a day for that year. That's not Hardcore. That's completely stupid. You do that and i'll fight you in a brand new character out of the box and I will destroy because you do not know how to play the game. Do you know why you dont know how to play ? Because you just sat there training and then you bought in game money with real money and just got it blown up.
Now tell me what's stupid.
Don''t feel bad though. Eve isn't for everyone, it's ok that Eve is beyond your comprehension level, really it is. I guess that's why you feel the need to lash out.
I could create an account, use EVEMon, log on only to put skill points in. Giving me a total of about 20 hours of play time for a year (+ some time to use the boring travel system to go get some training books from a market somewhere - where as you would think with all the technology in EVE there would be a delivery system to bring the book to you). Then I could just buy a stack of game cards, transfer them to ISK and I could have a better ship than someone who has played 10 hours a day for that year. That's not Hardcore. That's completely stupid.
Your arguments do not make any sense. A better ship does not make you a better player. A good experienced player is going to own you if you do not know what you are doing.
Too lazy to travel to pick something up? Pay someone to haul it. The tools are there.
You think having lots of isk, trained skills, and expensive ships is what makes Eve fun for everyone? Well, you just do not get it and probably never will. That's like heading to the sandbox with a pocket full of cash and some expensive toys and wondering why the girl with the cheap bucket building sand castles is having way more fun than you and developing skills you will never comprehend...
www.youtube.com/watch Video from '08 with walking in stations. Also: Even if CCP may be a bit slow on things, at least they (usually) don't release half-assed patches/expansions which need a ton of fixes before they're good.
EVE is a huge borefest which is NOT hardcore at all. I could create an account, use EVEMon, log on only to put skill points in. Giving me a total of about 20 hours of play time for a year (+ some time to use the boring travel system to go get some training books from a market somewhere - where as you would think with all the technology in EVE there would be a delivery system to bring the book to you). Then I could just buy a stack of game cards, transfer them to ISK and I could have a better ship than someone who has played 10 hours a day for that year. That's not Hardcore. That's completely stupid.
Except you would completely suck, not knowing how to use or fit your ship, and you'd lose it tosomeone and their buddy who actually have a clue what's going on.
Also, what's with the "losing time isn't REALLY hardcore" stuff. Does that mean if someone steals your credit card and spends $10,000 of your money, you won't care? Because money is just your time. Really. That money you just lost is just the last few months of your life anyway, it's not "real," it's just invested time.
I found it to be very boring also not quite sure what the appeal is other than how you can skill up even when not online.Would be like wow,,eq2 or any other mmog givin you free lvls when your offline that and the screensaver background that they call a graphics engine never did much for me but hey to each there own.
Why do I like EvE so much? It's the game I've played the most out of all MMOs, but it's not my favourite game of all time. EvE has a lot of things I like but it also has things I don't like so much. Every game has its faults and EvE certainly has quite a few, but it's unique in the genre and I feel no qualms about playing it alongside other MMOs like WoW or LotRO.
Things I like: the overall atmosphere and galaxy of the game. I like the sarcastic humour the dev's put in as well as the sound astrophysics base that the game has been designed on.
The risk vs reward gameplay. The possibility of having either a PvP like environment where it's free-for-all or more control over when and where PvP happens. The fact that not all PvP is based on combat (trade wars for example).
The developed market system that allows you to have more control over what you buy and sell than most games.
The flexibility in many different ship types that have a specific niche in the game. Tons of modules and one can experiment with different setups as much as they want.
The skill system. It's not just that you can develope your character anyway you want and while you're offline, it's also that it is well-designed in how the skills work. I like how a person can learn up to 3 in any skill and be fairly ok at using the skill but to be able to get into T2 modules, you need to learn the skill to 4 or 5. I like how every skill is capped at 5 so that even newer characters can catch up to really old characters. It's a refreshing change that EvE has a system where you don't need to be online to advance your character's development while you're playing.
So that's why I like EvE. I won't put my negatives in this post but there are quite a few.
Back in EvE. Started with BatMUD. Main MMOs have been EvE and DAoC.
Considering how few people actually play EVE online, I have myself wondered why it is spoken of so highly and so often here. I think that most of the pro-EVE posters are in transit, waiting, or otherwise stuck in one of the time sinks. It is a deadly boring game with brain-dead enemy AI.
Its actually the 5th largest game by market share in the industry. More people play it than EQ, EQ2, Warhammer. LotRo, etc.
Really now?? And where might you have gotten that little piece of information??
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I found it to be very boring also not quite sure what the appeal is other than how you can skill up even when not online.Would be like wow,,eq2 or any other mmog givin you free lvls when your offline that and the screensaver background that they call a graphics engine never did much for me but hey to each there own.
This is why you don't get Eve. You are taking the level and rep / gear grind from gmaes such as WoW and bringing them into Eve. Where as Eve is not a level / rep / gear grind game. Eve is about doing what you want that is fun for you. I guess you prefer a game to lead you by the hand as you level, you just can't handle thinking for yourself and doing what you want instead what the quest log tells you.
I think of EVE as a great backup game. One that you always fall back to when wow sucks, LOTRO & WAR dont grab your attention. I like to fall back to eve.
This is why you don't get Eve. You are taking the level and rep / gear grind from gmaes such as WoW and bringing them into Eve. Where as Eve is not a level / rep / gear grind game. Eve is about doing what you want that is fun for you. I guess you prefer a game to lead you by the hand as you level, you just can't handle thinking for yourself and doing what you want instead what the quest log tells you.
Uhm, there is at the very least a rep grind in EvE. People grind up faction standings with NPC corps. They don't have to, but there are a lot of benefits especially if you live in high sec or low sec. I'd also argue that there is a loot grind as well though it's a bit less grind than in WoW. People do grind plexes for those extremely powerful and rare modules that go for lots of ISK on the market. The best modules aren't player-made, at least not yet.
Sure, there is no level grind, but development time in EvE is extended as a result. I don't mind taking a long time to develope my character but that's because I am used to EvE. A lot of people are turned off by it.
Back in EvE. Started with BatMUD. Main MMOs have been EvE and DAoC.
Considering how few people actually play EVE online, I have myself wondered why it is spoken of so highly and so often here. I think that most of the pro-EVE posters are in transit, waiting, or otherwise stuck in one of the time sinks. It is a deadly boring game with brain-dead enemy AI.
Its actually the 5th largest game by market share in the industry. More people play it than EQ, EQ2, Warhammer. LotRo, etc.
Really now?? And where might you have gotten that little piece of information??
Massively. July/August issue of last year. They also named the CEO of CCP in the top 10 most important people in the MMO industry. The important caveat to that ranking was it was not including Korean MMOs and browser games (like Runescape). These are the stats from April of 2008:
As you can see, leaving out browser games and Korean MMOs (Lineage and Lineage 2) 1 year ago (and eve still is growing) Eve had more active subscriptions than EQ, EQ2, LOTRO and City of Heros and Villians while Final Fantasy had more than EVE and WoW outshined everyone.
As for Warhammer it has around 250k subscribers (though they did peak at 800k at launch) while EVE has over 700k. This information you can find on the respective game websites.
Massively. July/August issue of last year. They also named the CEO of CCP in the top 10 most important people in the MMO industry. The important caveat to that ranking was it was not including Korean MMOs and browser games (like Runescape). These are the stats from April of 2008: [url]http://www.mmogchart.com/Chart7.html[/url]
By market share: WoW: 62.2% Final Fantasy XI: 3.1% Eve Online: 1.5% EQ2: 1.2% EQ: 1.1% LOTRO: .9% City of Heros: .8% All others: 5.4%
As you can see, leaving out browser games and Korean MMOs (Lineage and Lineage 2) 1 year ago (and eve still is growing) Eve had more active subscriptions than EQ, EQ2, LOTRO and City of Heros and Villians while Final Fantasy had more than EVE and WoW outshined everyone.
As for Warhammer it has around 250k subscribers (though they did peak at 800k at launch) while EVE has over 700k. This information you can find on the respective game websites.
When you click on the link it actually shows Runescape as the number two game with 7.5% haha, this is interesting.
Keep in mind that a VERY BIG portion of EvEs player base has multiple accounts and of course there is also botting at large scales in certain periods.
So to know the real EvE population is kind of hard but whatever numbers they are saying you can at least cut them in half to get a close idea of how many people are actually playing.
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If ANY of you haters of EVE who can't "grasp" the concept of liking EvE, are actually playing ANY of SOE's games then I'm sorry, but you have ZERO room to say jack about EVE. Playing games that are run by SOE is like walking into a free clinic, looking down at your arm, and then saying "Oh, silly me..looks like I broke my arm falling down some stairs *again*" as you walk up to the counter. =_=
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Having a different opinion must mean you're a troll.
Really ? I haven't run into any problematic bugs, couple of comestic but that's it for me. No problems with sounds or being dropped either.
Its actually the 5th largest game by market share in the industry. More people play it than EQ, EQ2, Warhammer. LotRo, etc.
You may have a point about the AI, but the new AI for the Sleeper NPCs is quite dynamic. The other thing I'd mention is, if you're complaint with the AI is your objection, you're missing the reason play this game. In other words, it isn't for the PVE.
People like this game for three reasons:
1. The pvp--by far the best PVP game on market imo. You have a severe death penalty. You aren't necessarily relagated to class rolls.
2. The economy--eve has one of the most robust economies in any MMO. Not only that, but production (i.e. crafting) requires highly organized groups of people. To produce some things, requires huge alliances of people and complex logistic chains.
3. Related to 1 and 2 is the sandbox nature of eve. Players change the map of the game. Engage in huge wars over resources. Try to corner markets in trade hubs. Etc.
This isn't for everyone, for sure, but it is for some people and that's why they play.
Its actually the 5th largest game by market share in the industry. More people play it than EQ, EQ2, Warhammer. LotRo, etc.
You may have a point about the AI, but the new AI for the Sleeper NPCs is quite dynamic. The other thing I'd mention is, if you're complaint with the AI is your objection, you're missing the reason play this game. In other words, it isn't for the PVE.
People like this game for three reasons:
1. The pvp--by far the best PVP game on market imo. You have a severe death penalty. You aren't necessarily relagated to class rolls.
2. The economy--eve has one of the most robust economies in any MMO. Not only that, but production (i.e. crafting) requires highly organized groups of people. To produce some things, requires huge alliances of people and complex logistic chains.
3. Related to 1 and 2 is the sandbox nature of eve. Players change the map of the game. Engage in huge wars over resources. Try to corner markets in trade hubs. Etc.
This isn't for everyone, for sure, but it is for some people and that's why they play.
I gave it a try for a little over a month and it was an ok game. i suppose it was less appealing to me because im not a space sci-fi junkie. I found myself doing not much of anything. You find most new players log on and mine then log off. There is no game for new players per say from a PVP perspective. EVE may be the best PVP game of its genre but its not the best PVP game online. It's a decent game but i personally require more then flying through black spaces doing nothing and thats how i felt when i was playing EVE.
Its actually the 5th largest game by market share in the industry. More people play it than EQ, EQ2, Warhammer. LotRo, etc.
You may have a point about the AI, but the new AI for the Sleeper NPCs is quite dynamic. The other thing I'd mention is, if you're complaint with the AI is your objection, you're missing the reason play this game. In other words, it isn't for the PVE.
People like this game for three reasons:
1. The pvp--by far the best PVP game on market imo. You have a severe death penalty. You aren't necessarily relagated to class rolls.
2. The economy--eve has one of the most robust economies in any MMO. Not only that, but production (i.e. crafting) requires highly organized groups of people. To produce some things, requires huge alliances of people and complex logistic chains.
3. Related to 1 and 2 is the sandbox nature of eve. Players change the map of the game. Engage in huge wars over resources. Try to corner markets in trade hubs. Etc.
This isn't for everyone, for sure, but it is for some people and that's why they play.
I gave it a try for a little over a month and it was an ok game. i suppose it was less appealing to me because im not a space sci-fi junkie. I found myself doing not much of anything. You find most new players log on and mine then log off. There is no game for new players per say from a PVP perspective. EVE may be the best PVP game of its genre but its not the best PVP game online. It's a decent game but i personally require more then flying through black spaces doing nothing and thats how i felt when i was playing EVE.
If You havent played PvP how can you say that EVE's PvP is not the best of the market? I found EVE's PvP the best in the market and I'm not a "Sci-Fi Junkie" either. I've played lot of the "best" mmorpgs in the market and I can assure you that in EVE you will find the best PvP out here.
You might be able to train the skills for a top-end ship in a few months without actually having to be logged in, but it will take months, and you'll have to do just as much grinding as in any other MMO to actually earn the ISK to be able to afford it.
I'm sorry, but if you're a new player flying a frigate, you'll be about as much use in a PvP battle as a level 5 character with a group of level 60s in any other MMO. Your frigate has pathetic armour, hardly any fittings and fires puny missiles, so I'm afraid you're talking rubbish if you're trying to suggest a new player can play along side vets and make a similar contribution.
Now in Planetside, your level 1 character really can have as big a gun and as heavy armour as anyone. But that's for a different forum!
actually, in my first two weeks of play... i was doing the dreaded "tackling" in a roaming gang. i normally didn't get locked as folks were trying to get away from me before i could lock them down.
grinding for isk? yeah, everything is a grind if you don't enjoy it i guess. only thing is in a game like wow, you have to grind for levels, gold, reputations, pvp points, the list goes on...
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
First, if you want to pvp in this game and you are just starting out, plan on spending 6 months to a year training skills before you are even remotely close to being viable.
Second, if you want to pvp, better get with a guild that has at least a small pve-only task group. Otherwise, your weapons and ships will be inferior.
Finally, unless you are part of a large successful guild, ships larger than battleships are out of the question. Everything above battleship class vessels requires someone with a command ship being there to open warps for you so you can move your vessel around in a timely manner. Otherwise you are stuck in the system in which you built your vessel.
just a little snipe on your comments...
i made a post a little earlier, talking about how i was tackling in the first couple of weeks i was playing.
did i mention the huge stockpile of ships and mods that were available to me, to include whatever loot i wanted from what we were picking up? that corp was rather communist in the way it handled "stuff".
dunno, i guess it's like all other games, you have people that seem to have an impossible time learning to play, much less mastering any parts of the game... and you have people that play the game, and play it well.
sort of like life.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
Some people really like the fact you can buy your way in EVE. You just buy game time cards and trade them in-game for in-game currency as often as you want to.
I played it for two months.
CCP's in game involvement ( sorry, cheating in my eyes ) drove me away. I don't spend my money on a game where the developers favor one group of players over another.
I agree that Eve isn't great...
The only arguement I've seen is that Eve is "hardcore, full loot pvp, strategic, political, takes lots of planning, high risk consequences etc..."
But the truth is, EVE is a game and the people who play it are just tricked into thinking it's so much more than what it is.
The only thing you lose when you get "pwned" in EVE (just like every other game) is your time that you put into it.
you didn't lose 4 billion ISK, you just lost 2 weeks of your life.
So stop and think... what the fck is so good about playing a game which can take the last 40 hours of your life you invested into it if you forgot to clone your ship and you died?
I'll tell you, NOTHING. It's completely stupid. you would be 100X better off spending 40 hours working, investing that money into shares, and THEN you are playing a real game which is "hardcore, strategic, political, takes lots of planning, high risk consequences etc..." the only difference is that you waste 80% of your time in EVE travelling to places.
EVE is a huge borefest which is NOT hardcore at all. I could create an account, use EVEMon, log on only to put skill points in. Giving me a total of about 20 hours of play time for a year (+ some time to use the boring travel system to go get some training books from a market somewhere - where as you would think with all the technology in EVE there would be a delivery system to bring the book to you). Then I could just buy a stack of game cards, transfer them to ISK and I could have a better ship than someone who has played 10 hours a day for that year.
That's not Hardcore. That's completely stupid.
The rest of the players like those people too. They tend to buy ships they don't have the skill to use correctly, then take them into PvP battles only to watch it get blown up in short order.
There are certain queer times and occasions in this strange mixed affair we call life when a man takes this whole universe for a vast practical joke, though the wit thereof he but dimly discerns, and more than suspects that the joke is at nobody's expense but his own.
-- Herman Melville
Everybody ? Who is everybody ? Do they even have 250k people playing this game ? I know the mmo media guys love this game because it is different from the rest but whoever said that different was good.
Don''t feel bad though. Eve isn't for everyone, it's ok that Eve is beyond your comprehension level, really it is. I guess that's why you feel the need to lash out.
Your arguments do not make any sense. A better ship does not make you a better player. A good experienced player is going to own you if you do not know what you are doing.
Too lazy to travel to pick something up? Pay someone to haul it. The tools are there.
You think having lots of isk, trained skills, and expensive ships is what makes Eve fun for everyone? Well, you just do not get it and probably never will. That's like heading to the sandbox with a pocket full of cash and some expensive toys and wondering why the girl with the cheap bucket building sand castles is having way more fun than you and developing skills you will never comprehend...
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Except you would completely suck, not knowing how to use or fit your ship, and you'd lose it tosomeone and their buddy who actually have a clue what's going on.
Also, what's with the "losing time isn't REALLY hardcore" stuff. Does that mean if someone steals your credit card and spends $10,000 of your money, you won't care? Because money is just your time. Really. That money you just lost is just the last few months of your life anyway, it's not "real," it's just invested time.
I found it to be very boring also not quite sure what the appeal is other than how you can skill up even when not online.Would be like wow,,eq2 or any other mmog givin you free lvls when your offline that and the screensaver background that they call a graphics engine never did much for me but hey to each there own.
Why do I like EvE so much? It's the game I've played the most out of all MMOs, but it's not my favourite game of all time. EvE has a lot of things I like but it also has things I don't like so much. Every game has its faults and EvE certainly has quite a few, but it's unique in the genre and I feel no qualms about playing it alongside other MMOs like WoW or LotRO.
Things I like: the overall atmosphere and galaxy of the game. I like the sarcastic humour the dev's put in as well as the sound astrophysics base that the game has been designed on.
The risk vs reward gameplay. The possibility of having either a PvP like environment where it's free-for-all or more control over when and where PvP happens. The fact that not all PvP is based on combat (trade wars for example).
The developed market system that allows you to have more control over what you buy and sell than most games.
The flexibility in many different ship types that have a specific niche in the game. Tons of modules and one can experiment with different setups as much as they want.
The skill system. It's not just that you can develope your character anyway you want and while you're offline, it's also that it is well-designed in how the skills work. I like how a person can learn up to 3 in any skill and be fairly ok at using the skill but to be able to get into T2 modules, you need to learn the skill to 4 or 5. I like how every skill is capped at 5 so that even newer characters can catch up to really old characters. It's a refreshing change that EvE has a system where you don't need to be online to advance your character's development while you're playing.
So that's why I like EvE. I won't put my negatives in this post but there are quite a few.
Back in EvE. Started with BatMUD. Main MMOs have been EvE and DAoC.
Its actually the 5th largest game by market share in the industry. More people play it than EQ, EQ2, Warhammer. LotRo, etc.
Really now?? And where might you have gotten that little piece of information??
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This is why you don't get Eve. You are taking the level and rep / gear grind from gmaes such as WoW and bringing them into Eve. Where as Eve is not a level / rep / gear grind game. Eve is about doing what you want that is fun for you. I guess you prefer a game to lead you by the hand as you level, you just can't handle thinking for yourself and doing what you want instead what the quest log tells you.
I think of EVE as a great backup game. One that you always fall back to when wow sucks, LOTRO & WAR dont grab your attention. I like to fall back to eve.
This is why you don't get Eve. You are taking the level and rep / gear grind from gmaes such as WoW and bringing them into Eve. Where as Eve is not a level / rep / gear grind game. Eve is about doing what you want that is fun for you. I guess you prefer a game to lead you by the hand as you level, you just can't handle thinking for yourself and doing what you want instead what the quest log tells you.
Uhm, there is at the very least a rep grind in EvE. People grind up faction standings with NPC corps. They don't have to, but there are a lot of benefits especially if you live in high sec or low sec. I'd also argue that there is a loot grind as well though it's a bit less grind than in WoW. People do grind plexes for those extremely powerful and rare modules that go for lots of ISK on the market. The best modules aren't player-made, at least not yet.
Sure, there is no level grind, but development time in EvE is extended as a result. I don't mind taking a long time to develope my character but that's because I am used to EvE. A lot of people are turned off by it.
Back in EvE. Started with BatMUD. Main MMOs have been EvE and DAoC.
Its actually the 5th largest game by market share in the industry. More people play it than EQ, EQ2, Warhammer. LotRo, etc.
Really now?? And where might you have gotten that little piece of information??
Massively. July/August issue of last year. They also named the CEO of CCP in the top 10 most important people in the MMO industry. The important caveat to that ranking was it was not including Korean MMOs and browser games (like Runescape). These are the stats from April of 2008:
[url]http://www.mmogchart.com/Chart7.html[/url]
By market share:
WoW: 62.2%
Final Fantasy XI: 3.1%
Eve Online: 1.5%
EQ2: 1.2%
EQ: 1.1%
LOTRO: .9%
City of Heros: .8%
All others: 5.4%
As you can see, leaving out browser games and Korean MMOs (Lineage and Lineage 2) 1 year ago (and eve still is growing) Eve had more active subscriptions than EQ, EQ2, LOTRO and City of Heros and Villians while Final Fantasy had more than EVE and WoW outshined everyone.
As for Warhammer it has around 250k subscribers (though they did peak at 800k at launch) while EVE has over 700k. This information you can find on the respective game websites.
When you click on the link it actually shows Runescape as the number two game with 7.5% haha, this is interesting.
Keep in mind that a VERY BIG portion of EvEs player base has multiple accounts and of course there is also botting at large scales in certain periods.
So to know the real EvE population is kind of hard but whatever numbers they are saying you can at least cut them in half to get a close idea of how many people are actually playing.