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Why I will never play this game -- The Community
Interitus
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I played beta, wasn't impressed. During Christmas I went to my brothers house. He had the game. I played for a few hours to see changes since beta. To my surprise it wasn't gameplay that sealed the deal for me. Here's a post I made on another board about my expereince with this game.
I can now honestly say I will never play. Why? Because of the community. I have played MMO's since Ultima Online. I have never seen a more rude community then this. yes every community has it's jerks. but if i was to actually ignore all the people who were stepping out of line it would have added up to 30+ people. They bite the heads off of people who talk about innocent things like TV. They ignored questions aobut the game from other members. Much of the chat felt like Americans talking about the glory of America. And why all the other countries are inferior. It then switched to plain racism against Middle Eastern, and Indian people. Anyone who tried to point out this was a bit heavy from an MMO chat was harshly told to shut up. At one point they were talking about how America won World War 2. A hotly debated comment. I pointed out that the Allies won World War 2, no single country. Something I thought was a fair comment. I can't repeat here what they said to that. Needless to say the entire 3 hours I played for there was constant flaming of people, places, games, everything. I have seen some bad communities, but nothing as bad as this. I can now say I will never play this game. With a community that miserable, I wouldn't want to.
And you don't have to tell me that's not everyone, I know it's not, but it was the majority of people talking. I play games to get away from that, or jus avoid it all together. Man that community is in a sad shape.
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/leave general chat
I quit playing because of the vanilla game play. The community of ANY game is only as good as how much effort you put forth towards finding like minded individuals.
People who complain about community, honestly, there are thousands of Guild websites for MMOs out there, probably 10s or 100s of thousands of Guilds with websites.
Google search "Your game name" and "Guild sites" or something and poke around till you find a group of people you can see yourself getting along with.
Unless you already have friends/family that play the game, you just can't walk into a MMO blind and expect to see the best the community has to offer.
9 times out of 10, you walk into a MMO community blind you'll only see the *ssbags and idiots. Why? Because the rest of us always turn off general chat and stick to our /guild channels.
I quit after a month and a half because the gameplay got too repetitive, as well, but I agree with you that for some reason I can't quite put my finger on the general chat in this game is dominated by some grade A asshats. I have never had to keep my chat off or put as many people on ignore in so short a time period....not even in Guild Wars during it's heyday of punk gangsta chat (which seems to be considerably toned down in GW these days).
I won't even pretend to understand what the problem was with TR's gen chat crowd; it seemed to be a mix of disgruntled WoWers, WoWers who love WoW and wanted to bitch about TR, Eurotrash talkings mack and US Trash talking smack. It was just.....weird. And unpleasant.
But I quit the game because after level 30 it just started to wear thin in the gameplay. I just couldn't see spending another month or two on subscription fees to keep doing the same stuff over and over; it needs more material and more diversity. And they really, really need to fix the problems in the level 30 area (what was it called again?).
Current MMOs: Rift, GW2, Defiance
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Now my brother told me to leave general chat to, which surprised me. I mean yes you are more likely to find people like that in general, but I don't remember ever having to leave general because of someting like this.
The community was really more my nail in the coffin, I'm never looking back for me. like I said, I played beta, didn't enjoy the game, went back again to see if it had changed much. It was pretty much the same, but the entire general chat expereince made me sick.
By no means did I expect to see the best of the community, I never do. But even in World of Warcraft people weren't this bad. They were often immature, but it wasn't even constant. But this wasn't even immature, this was streaming hatred. For no apparent reason.
I've never had to switch off a general chat before. Usually ignoring a few people fixes it for me. And I'm not going to begin because of this game.
I saw decent people trying to get these people to stop, or simply asking newbie questions. But yeah, I figured gameplay would turn me away like it did before, I honestly didn't expect it to be the community. I could find like minded people. But again I have never had to do it before, and it's not a practice I want to start. I've never seen it so bad that I have had to do that.
Just to be sure-
You based your decision that the community was piss poor based off of the occurances of a single multi-hour play session?
I'm just playin devil's advocate, like I said in my original post, I don't play anymore because I found the game to be so bland...
But I'm just saying that your decision doesn't make too much sense.
It's like saying that you went to Applebee's and there was a loud annoying kid crying and so you are never going back to Applebee's again.
The statistical odds of that child beeing there the next time you go and having to listen to the same kind of annoying crying episode are so statistically low...
Pretty much I'm just saying that you CAN'T under any circumstances judge a MMO community off of a single play session. You even said yourself that there "voices of reason" trying to calm the general chat idiots so why didn't you strike up a private conversation with them?
Do you get my point?
Maybe it brought some of those classy FPS'ers into the fold. Seeing that it would feel familiar to them. Maybe, just a thought.
can't speak for the american servers but the european server is very civilized, questions (no matter whether newbie or not) normally get answered within seconds, no hatred talk and seldomly really annoying people. (well i am only playing for a month now, so maybe i am just always off when the hatred strikes, but chances are that i am not)
what i find funny is that i also experienced many political topics in general (not hatred filled like the op describes though) which is imho kinda odd for mmorpgs and doesn't happen alot, why it does in tr, no idea.
I often see the same few names in there answering questions about every class/mission/problem under the sun; the wealth of knowledge that some players have amassed is mind-boggling considering the game has only been live for 4 months.
I would say the same exact thing as the other guy did - don't base your decision on a few hours of gameplay. BUT, holy crap are you right. I couldn't stand it and certainly wouldn't pay for it anymore. If the community sucks, the worth goes down a lot because I like the MMO of MMORPG. Ignoring people and leaving channels does one of two things. It either makes it solo play with a little bit of showing off my character, effectively an RPG, or I still team with other people who are retards, public channels or not.
Maybe im just one of those guys, but i love the community in Tabula Rasa, I get along great with everyone, and not to mention we talk about things that i have intrest in.
Politics, Firefly, SWG (yea sad lol), Computer Hardware, Football, Hockey.
The only time i have experianced a bad community moment was when "I" said something stupid and got myself banned for a week.
-Jive
did you suggest the russians show Garriot the air lock if he ever gets to orbit? Or something more contentious - like carebears are only good for eating?
I don't get this at all, what the OP is saying.
I've rarely seen anything rude or bad in /general, in TR on the Pegasus server. Most of the players seem to be older, mature gamers. And I've seen countless help-me questions asked and nicely answered by the community on /general. Check out the tentonhammer TR forums and community if you want to see some helpful game advice and maturity.
And I agree with the other poster who commented on only an hour or so of game-play in assessing a game or community... that's simply not realistic. I have yet to see any mmo community that doesn't have it's share of bad apples... especially WoW and Lineage2, they're chock full of community bad-attitude.
Pasha Dobry- 39 Engy in the un-official, un-uber-1337 TR clan, Ad Idem.
Clearly you never played WoW on a PvP server in the middle of a major city.
I also have to agree with the OP though, during my time in the beta I saw countless people playing the "how angry can I make you today" game with as many people as they could. They'd touch on any topic they thought would provoke a response, and some of them were pretty good at it. It was typical blatant trolling though, and what surprised me more was the rest of the community's inability to recognize and deal with it (i.e. put him on ignore). Often they would just feed him more and continue the vicious cycle that keeps the idiot playing to begin with.
did you suggest the russians show Garriot the air lock if he ever gets to orbit? Or something more contentious - like carebears are only good for eating?
Actually someone said in the general chat "White people ate the bane!!"
and then another guy said "Yes kill all the white people"
so like 10 minutes went by and then someone said something about bane
and then i said "Black people are the bane!!!"
and one guy got all pissed off about it and said he was going to report me for saying it, and i didnt think he was serious.
and he wasnt black either cause i said "Im sorry if i offended your race" and he said "Im not black but you dont have to be black to be offended by what you said"
o wells
-Jive
I think the answer to that question is pretty obvious. And I disagree about that being just a word, especially given its history and use. It's condesending and demeaning, and it has no place on these boards or in any MMO in my opinion.
a politcally correct statement benefits neither the person voicing it, nor the audience. What it is, is an attempt to stave off the self-righteous indignation of a vocal minority. It is nothing short of linguistic fascism foisted onto the body public by those people purporting to 'know better'
regarding pandering to everyone's feelings? people should learn to get over themselves and not take trivial matters so seriously. the sooner such nonsense is put behind us, the better. everyone has not only the right to be offended, but the right to offend in turn. anything else is, as I have mentioned, facism.
as for the intent, it was merely to illustrate the idiocy of the original ban, given how totally inoccous the underlying reason for it was.
As it is, it appears I have upset an anthill of the self-righteously indignant PC brigade
get over yourselves
Find the gameplay bland, a lousy community and left the game before you bought it and you are posting your opinion then Thank God this is still America and freedom of speech is the rule of the land. For the rest who enjoy is game good for you too
All the games start out like that. It will no doubt calm down in a month or two.