I'm all for perma-death and I think we need more MMORPGs with it.
Don't speak for me. *You* need more MMORPGs with it, not "we".
Furthermore, good luck finding one since the idea is niche.
Perhaps you should work on comprehensive reading. He said "I think", which means he isn't actually speaking for anyone BUT himself. "we" refers to the gaming population. He does not state that "you" think anything at all. He stated that he thought something.
I found it very clear what he was saying. I also find it very clear what you are saying. "I'm a hateful little man, and wish to snarl at anything which does not resemble that which I enjoy" There is really no call for your attitude about this. No need for your snark or your defensiveness (which was terribly misplaced)
Yeah, I try to tell everyone who's going to grab the DDO trial to make sure you tell people you're new! There's a ton of alts in the game, and people running their 3rd or 4th low level character tend to rush right through quests, killing the enjoyment of a first timer. That said, 99% of the time they WILL slow down when asked, because like me, it's a blast to watch someone's reactions the first time they experience DDO's quests
Nothing like letting them turn a corner and come face to face with a beholder the first time LOL!
p.s. Have you been back since the server merges tarkin? Grouping is WAY easier now, you can pretty much get a group in 5 minutes flat for any level.
Agree on the quest experience.
Permadeath will certainly add more substance in the gameplay imho.
Of course if ppl strongly reject permadeath playstyle, they can have their own fun without actually suffer from reading this thread. Afterall, there isn't any rule written in stone you have to be permadeath.
p.s. I have not log on since the last spoiler ruin my game in Waterworks 2 yrs ago.
I cant imagine anyone playing with perma death on when there are outside factors in play (INET connection, computer crashes, etc). Its just silly, IMO, to delete a character just because my ISP sux. But, everyone has their own style. Is it creative? Sure, why not.
Still, with the factors you can do absolutely nothing about it (BSoD, Inet disconnection), this style reminds me too much of a lottery. Kinda like doing "/random 0-1000" once a day, to get a random number between 0 and 1000 and if that number is, lets say zero, then I delete my character. Silly. But thats just me.
Originally posted by Bill_Pardy I know this disclamer won't help and I'll get flamed anyways , but This isn't to argue the pros and cons of permadeath. This thread is just go get info out to people that there is a fairly large permadeath (or hardcore if you prefer) community in Dungeon's & Dragons Online.
On March 7th, The Sublime Permadeath Guild of the Thelanis Server will be celebrating 2 years of deleting characters when they die. Like any MMO guild, players have come and gone but we're still going strong, even inspired others to form their own permadeath guilds on other servers like Mortal Voyage on Argonnesson and Extreme Explorers on Sarlona Permadeath in DDO is based on the honor system as there is no in-game support for it. Each guild has their own rules that are for the most part: Delete when you die, no twinking, no grouping with non-pd twinked characters. The variations in each guild give them each their own flavor (I tend to see them as Mortal Voyage being a bit more hardcore, Extreme Explorers more casual, and Sublime sort of in the middle). Many normal guilds also have their own permadeath groups(Legion Permadeath on Thelanis managed to make it to the level cap) and I'll occasionally run into some permadeath static-groups in the taverns. For those of you that always wanted to try but just weren't sure how here is your chance. If you've tried DDO and it wasn't for you, just do what Calakmul did when he started the Sublime... Post a thread on the game's forums looking for like-minded players to set aside an alt for your once a week permadeath group. Before you know it, it could be 2 years later and there are 20+ people logged in on a Friday night .
You know I saw this topic and thought it was a play on the theme, that the game had been dead for 2 years. I thought it was dead but hey, weirder things have happened. I thought people stopped playing this travesty a month or so after it released.
Even with the game being tenuously linked to D&D as it is, the game has ALWAYS had resurrection and raise dead. Though I don't see why they'd not throw that out as well since most of the game has been tossed out.
Though I don't see why they'd not throw that out as well since most of the game has been tossed out.
You really have no clue what you're talking about. Research=your friend.
all within the last 30 days...doesn't seem too "dead" to me:
TenTonHammer says "Overall, Dungeons & Dragons Online remains a very fun game. If you have not tried it, the fast paced combat interface and small group content really are some of the best examples in MMOGs."
Massively says "DDO still isn't the biggest of MMOs out there, but it seems to have found a pretty sure footing, and there is no doubt that the team behind it is interested in making sure players have access not only to typical hacking and slashing, but also to some complex and rewarding game and group experiences. The Shroud is a very nice example of how MMO designers can break boundaries in what's expected of MMO gameplay"
Gamespy says "The company's earlier release, Dungeons & Dragons Online, is still going strong. According to the company, the subscriber base, while not boasting world-beating numbers, has had relatively little turnover and the game continues to hold a steady group of hardcore players. That's a tribute to Turbine's continuing commitment to the title and the steady stream of content upgrades it releases every four to six months."
MMORPG.COM says "While the visual style was there from the start, the actual feel of D&D took a bit longer to develop. I have to give Turbine credit for listening to their audience, as most of my complaints about the earlier version of the game have been addressed in subsequent" modules.
I'm all for perma-death and I think we need more MMORPGs with it.
Don't speak for me. *You* need more MMORPGs with it, not "we".
Furthermore, good luck finding one since the idea is niche.
Perhaps you should work on comprehensive reading. He said "I think", which means he isn't actually speaking for anyone BUT himself. "we" refers to the gaming population. He does not state that "you" think anything at all. He stated that he thought something.
I found it very clear what he was saying. I also find it very clear what you are saying. "I'm a hateful little man, and wish to snarl at anything which does not resemble that which I enjoy" There is really no call for your attitude about this. No need for your snark or your defensiveness (which was terribly misplaced)
I thought logic and reasoning were banned from these boards a long time ago?
...go get'm Gish!
"They essentially want to say 'Correlation proves Causation' when it's just not true." - Sovrath
If you want to be ridiculous is it your perogative. Associating the word permadeath and MMO is just a true absurdity. The idea is to develop your character not constantly kill it off. Perhaps you would find a better place in FPS's Personally, if I were the developer, I would ban your guild, all you are doing is filling up the names database, typical of people who only think of themselves.
The names are recycled when a character is deleted.
Permadeath in DDO is some of the most fun I've had with online games. Not only does it feel like Dungeons & Dragons the adrenaline rush at every corner is more rewarding then the cookie you get as an end reward.
Some of the best communities are within the permadeath guilds. They all express teamwork and solid communication skills. childish forum whoring and leet speak tends to be close to nil.
I 've only played Paladins in permadeath and it's time to reroll the last one I had lost.
DDO is a ton of fun ... perma death ... ill pass still ddo is a underrated game
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
Im seriously thinking of resubbing due to this post. To be honest I had the most fun in DDO that any other MMO recently (within 5 years) due to its involing quests. I used to play PnP along time ago and im itching to try this out. However, I can only have fun in MMO's if im in a solid and active guild ( i need people to talk to and enjoy the game with). Id love to join this guild but im European. Anyone know of any perma death or atleast active guilds on the European servers i can check out?
Once again though great post. I can just imagine the extra involvement u get in developing your characters this way
Soon we'll be celebrating not only 2 years of DDO, but 2 years of permadeath with The Sublime guild
We will be celebrating it with a little challenge for the rest of you and a chance to win some of the loot left behind by our many fallen adventurers. The rules are the same as last year's but that post is gone so here is the info:
The Challenge:
Get a Sublime member through a quest alive following our rules. It's not that we don't think you can do it, we just thought it would be fun
The Rules:
No Zerging - Work as a team, don't run off on your own.
No Spoilers - If you can't spot it you can't mention it. If you are going to warn somebody about a trap that you can't actually spot then be creative & subtle with it
No Rez - The goal is to get everybody through alive.
No Recalling for SP - You've got what you bring with you and that's it.
The Groups:
Just look for our LFM at the following times. It will be first come first serve so we will probably have less than optimal groups.
(will be adding a few more later)
Friday, March 7th - 10pm Eastern
Verik, level 2 Elf Rogue
Stealthy Repossession on Hard (stealthy characters only, going to sneak through)
Saturday, March 8th - 3pm Eastern
Zydeco, level 3 Voodoo Shaman
Kobold Assault on Hard
Sunday, March 9th - 8pm Eastern
Nock, level 10 Warforged Arcane Archer
Random level 11-12 quest. Group can decide, Nock has never done any level 11 quest (PD or normal play).
(The same Nock that was level 8 for last years event , maybe he'll make 10.1 for next year )
The Prizes:
After completing the quest each party member will get a random prize (based on a /roll) from the Sublime Guild Vault. Each player will also be entered for a chance at the grand prize, 100,000 gold. If you die but the group finishes the quest you'll still get a consolation prize.
Originally posted by GishgeronOriginally posted by nariusseldon Don't speak for me. *You* need more MMORPGs with it, not "we". Furthermore, good luck finding one since the idea is niche.
Perhaps you should work on comprehensive reading. He said "I think", which means he isn't actually speaking for anyone BUT himself. "we" refers to the gaming population. He does not state that "you" think anything at all. He stated that he thought something.
I found it very clear what he was saying. I also find it very clear what you are saying. "I'm a hateful little man, and wish to snarl at anything which does not resemble that which I enjoy" There is really no call for your attitude about this. No need for your snark or your defensiveness (which was terribly misplaced)
I thought logic and reasoning were banned from these boards a long time ago?
...go get'm Gish!
:P
I just like having an excuse to use big words and sound smart.
Thanks though, I don't so much mind people who dislike the idea...It's just that I can't stand it when people stop reading entirely and start only hearing what they want to. I'm a big fan of debates, but I demand each participant at least show the intelligence to understand whats being said when doing so.
Matter of fact, half the time I debate on the side opposing my own just for fun. I actually dislike permadeath in all forms. Loathe the stuff. I'm open minded though. Also unbiased.
So if you get incapped, then stabilize, that doesn't count as a death right? But I assume there is no running your stone to a shrine for resurrection with permadeth?
So if you get incapped, then stabilize, that doesn't count as a death right? But I assume there is no running your stone to a shrine for resurrection with permadeth?
Exactly, before you would have to hope some one heals you either via spell or healing kits, but now you slowly regenerate providing you stabalize.
Bill do you play in another guild when not doing Permadeath?
I have 2 PD characters on Sarlona, 1 on Khyber, 2 on Argonnessen, and 6 on Thelanis
I have 1 level 12 non-pd ranger (no-guild) on Sarlona. I've had normal characters before but always re-rolled them when they got to the higher levels because I didn't like the pugs at those levels with all the recalling for spell points and 'it's only xp' mentality... It doesn't seem to be as prominent any more though and I enjoy running some higher level content from time to time.
I know this disclamer won't help and I'll get flamed anyways , but This isn't to argue the pros and cons of permadeath. This thread is just go get info out to people that there is a fairly large permadeath (or hardcore if you prefer) community in Dungeon's & Dragons Online.
On March 7th, The Sublime Permadeath Guild of the Thelanis Server will be celebrating 2 years of deleting characters when they die. Like any MMO guild, players have come and gone but we're still going strong, even inspired others to form their own permadeath guilds on other servers like Mortal Voyage on Argonnesson and Extreme Explorers on Sarlona Permadeath in DDO is based on the honor system as there is no in-game support for it. Each guild has their own rules that are for the most part: Delete when you die, no twinking, no grouping with non-pd twinked characters. The variations in each guild give them each their own flavor (I tend to see them as Mortal Voyage being a bit more hardcore, Extreme Explorers more casual, and Sublime sort of in the middle). Many normal guilds also have their own permadeath groups(Legion Permadeath on Thelanis managed to make it to the level cap) and I'll occasionally run into some permadeath static-groups in the taverns. For those of you that always wanted to try but just weren't sure how here is your chance. If you've tried DDO and it wasn't for you, just do what Calakmul did when he started the Sublime... Post a thread on the game's forums looking for like-minded players to set aside an alt for your once a week permadeath group. Before you know it, it could be 2 years later and there are 20+ people logged in on a Friday night .
This is the best thing i have read on any forum. Is it ok to take a DDO trial and become a hangaround with you?
This is the way a MMO should be played.....all about the journey. No super leveling or any bullshit. Just pure fun ingame. And this way everything matters, especially friends......brilliant : )
I'm still thinking "Gee, these guys are nuts! It seems like those RL groups of fanatics that wait for a starship to come take them to heaven, which happens to be in Alpha Centauri, so they all commit suicide on some secluded country house".
And then I started thinking... "Could I do something like that in City of Heroes/Villains..?"
I joined the guild tonight and I have to say they are some great folks. very supportive and generous. my heart Skipped a beat when one our team mates on a WW run almost died. it was so close. It felt...Real. it was a very fun run. a Great guild thanks for having me in the guild 8 )
Conservatism. Just old white men trying to find ways to legalize discrimination, and make the poor poorer
First congrats for going 2yrs strong. Second, do you delete your character if you happen to die due to lag? Or your ISP suddenly goes out and you were in the middle of a lot of mobs with your group. So not only do you die because of the lag but so do some of your group members. What do you do? I'm just curious is all. Sounds like a lot of fun actually.
I played only for a short while, but the guild I was in had an honour system where basically if u dies ad the wasnt lag or and error at the the time u would scavenge ur character and delete it. This was an honour system so know one could actually make them do it but they should since they were in the guild. So basically I would come down to the people.. i liked it, it was interesting then... now though i dont have much to play, well until conan, but i am not sure about that but I am seriously waiting for Stargate Worlds.
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Don't speak for me. *You* need more MMORPGs with it, not "we".
Furthermore, good luck finding one since the idea is niche.
Perhaps you should work on comprehensive reading. He said "I think", which means he isn't actually speaking for anyone BUT himself. "we" refers to the gaming population. He does not state that "you" think anything at all. He stated that he thought something.
I found it very clear what he was saying. I also find it very clear what you are saying. "I'm a hateful little man, and wish to snarl at anything which does not resemble that which I enjoy" There is really no call for your attitude about this. No need for your snark or your defensiveness (which was terribly misplaced)
Props to OP for doing it right....But you can't have a discussion about d&d permadeath without this:
part-1 www.youtube.com/watch
part-2 www.youtube.com/watch
(force yourself to go thru it if you haven't seen it... )
Is it possible to ever make an MMO as fun as real PnP ? lol
Yeah, I try to tell everyone who's going to grab the DDO trial to make sure you tell people you're new! There's a ton of alts in the game, and people running their 3rd or 4th low level character tend to rush right through quests, killing the enjoyment of a first timer. That said, 99% of the time they WILL slow down when asked, because like me, it's a blast to watch someone's reactions the first time they experience DDO's quests
Nothing like letting them turn a corner and come face to face with a beholder the first time LOL!
p.s. Have you been back since the server merges tarkin? Grouping is WAY easier now, you can pretty much get a group in 5 minutes flat for any level.
Agree on the quest experience.
Permadeath will certainly add more substance in the gameplay imho.
Of course if ppl strongly reject permadeath playstyle, they can have their own fun without actually suffer from reading this thread. Afterall, there isn't any rule written in stone you have to be permadeath.
p.s. I have not log on since the last spoiler ruin my game in Waterworks 2 yrs ago.
Well I guess there are lots of changes now.
i got a trial account to check you guys out.. it sounds really fun!
i didnt see any of you online though.. what time do you guys usually play?
Remember Old School Ultima Online
I'd try and hook up with their website, as I'm sure they probably play anonymously as a closed guild with alternate rules
I cant imagine anyone playing with perma death on when there are outside factors in play (INET connection, computer crashes, etc). Its just silly, IMO, to delete a character just because my ISP sux. But, everyone has their own style. Is it creative? Sure, why not.
Still, with the factors you can do absolutely nothing about it (BSoD, Inet disconnection), this style reminds me too much of a lottery. Kinda like doing "/random 0-1000" once a day, to get a random number between 0 and 1000 and if that number is, lets say zero, then I delete my character. Silly. But thats just me.
GG
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
You know I saw this topic and thought it was a play on the theme, that the game had been dead for 2 years. I thought it was dead but hey, weirder things have happened. I thought people stopped playing this travesty a month or so after it released.
Even with the game being tenuously linked to D&D as it is, the game has ALWAYS had resurrection and raise dead. Though I don't see why they'd not throw that out as well since most of the game has been tossed out.
http://www.greycouncil.org/
Though I don't see why they'd not throw that out as well since most of the game has been tossed out.
You really have no clue what you're talking about. Research=your friend.
all within the last 30 days...doesn't seem too "dead" to me:
TenTonHammer says "Overall, Dungeons & Dragons Online remains a very fun game. If you have not tried it, the fast paced combat interface and small group content really are some of the best examples in MMOGs."
Massively says "DDO still isn't the biggest of MMOs out there, but it seems to have found a pretty sure footing, and there is no doubt that the team behind it is interested in making sure players have access not only to typical hacking and slashing, but also to some complex and rewarding game and group experiences. The Shroud is a very nice example of how MMO designers can break boundaries in what's expected of MMO gameplay"
Gamespy says "The company's earlier release, Dungeons & Dragons Online, is still going strong. According to the company, the subscriber base, while not boasting world-beating numbers, has had relatively little turnover and the game continues to hold a steady group of hardcore players. That's a tribute to Turbine's continuing commitment to the title and the steady stream of content upgrades it releases every four to six months."
MMORPG.COM says "While the visual style was there from the start, the actual feel of D&D took a bit longer to develop. I have to give Turbine credit for listening to their audience, as most of my complaints about the earlier version of the game have been addressed in subsequent" modules.
Don't speak for me. *You* need more MMORPGs with it, not "we".
Furthermore, good luck finding one since the idea is niche.
Perhaps you should work on comprehensive reading. He said "I think", which means he isn't actually speaking for anyone BUT himself. "we" refers to the gaming population. He does not state that "you" think anything at all. He stated that he thought something.
I found it very clear what he was saying. I also find it very clear what you are saying. "I'm a hateful little man, and wish to snarl at anything which does not resemble that which I enjoy" There is really no call for your attitude about this. No need for your snark or your defensiveness (which was terribly misplaced)
I thought logic and reasoning were banned from these boards a long time ago?
...go get'm Gish!
"They essentially want to say 'Correlation proves Causation' when it's just not true." - Sovrath
Permadeath in DDO is some of the most fun I've had with online games. Not only does it feel like Dungeons & Dragons the adrenaline rush at every corner is more rewarding then the cookie you get as an end reward.
Some of the best communities are within the permadeath guilds. They all express teamwork and solid communication skills. childish forum whoring and leet speak tends to be close to nil.
I 've only played Paladins in permadeath and it's time to reroll the last one I had lost.
DDO is a ton of fun ... perma death ... ill pass still ddo is a underrated game
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
Im seriously thinking of resubbing due to this post. To be honest I had the most fun in DDO that any other MMO recently (within 5 years) due to its involing quests. I used to play PnP along time ago and im itching to try this out. However, I can only have fun in MMO's if im in a solid and active guild ( i need people to talk to and enjoy the game with). Id love to join this guild but im European. Anyone know of any perma death or atleast active guilds on the European servers i can check out?
Once again though great post. I can just imagine the extra involvement u get in developing your characters this way
I was going to start a new thread but since this was moved to the DDO section i'll just add it here:
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The sublime guild will have a little event on Thelanis to celebrate it's birthday, here is the post on the DDO.com forums:
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?p=1575835#post1575835
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DDO Permadeath guilds
Bill do you play in another guild when not doing Permadeath?
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Promote what you love instead of bashing what you hate.
Perhaps you should work on comprehensive reading. He said "I think", which means he isn't actually speaking for anyone BUT himself. "we" refers to the gaming population. He does not state that "you" think anything at all. He stated that he thought something.
I found it very clear what he was saying. I also find it very clear what you are saying. "I'm a hateful little man, and wish to snarl at anything which does not resemble that which I enjoy" There is really no call for your attitude about this. No need for your snark or your defensiveness (which was terribly misplaced)
I thought logic and reasoning were banned from these boards a long time ago?
...go get'm Gish!
:P
I just like having an excuse to use big words and sound smart.
Thanks though, I don't so much mind people who dislike the idea...It's just that I can't stand it when people stop reading entirely and start only hearing what they want to. I'm a big fan of debates, but I demand each participant at least show the intelligence to understand whats being said when doing so.
Matter of fact, half the time I debate on the side opposing my own just for fun. I actually dislike permadeath in all forms. Loathe the stuff. I'm open minded though. Also unbiased.
So if you get incapped, then stabilize, that doesn't count as a death right? But I assume there is no running your stone to a shrine for resurrection with permadeth?
That sounds really awesome. I might actually try the free trial, and play permadeath. That would be a nice change of pace.
Exactly, before you would have to hope some one heals you either via spell or healing kits, but now you slowly regenerate providing you stabalize.
I have 1 level 12 non-pd ranger (no-guild) on Sarlona. I've had normal characters before but always re-rolled them when they got to the higher levels because I didn't like the pugs at those levels with all the recalling for spell points and 'it's only xp' mentality... It doesn't seem to be as prominent any more though and I enjoy running some higher level content from time to time.
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DDO Permadeath guilds
This is the best thing i have read on any forum. Is it ok to take a DDO trial and become a hangaround with you?
This is the way a MMO should be played.....all about the journey. No super leveling or any bullshit. Just pure fun ingame. And this way everything matters, especially friends......brilliant : )
I play on Thelanis and I see Sublime all the time, so congrats guys! 2 years of PD is awesome!
I actually rolled a cleric to join Sublime but haven't worked up the nerve yet...
I'm still thinking
"Gee, these guys are nuts! It seems like those RL groups of fanatics that wait for a starship to come take them to heaven, which happens to be in Alpha Centauri, so they all commit suicide on some secluded country house".
And then I started thinking...
"Could I do something like that in City of Heroes/Villains..?"
I think i may make a toon on that serve for the guild. sounds like it would be fun way to play the game as a change but not as a rule.
Conservatism.
Just old white men trying to find ways to legalize discrimination, and make the poor poorer
I joined the guild tonight and I have to say they are some great folks. very supportive and generous. my heart Skipped a beat when one our team mates on a WW run almost died. it was so close. It felt...Real. it was a very fun run. a Great guild thanks for having me in the guild 8 )
Conservatism.
Just old white men trying to find ways to legalize discrimination, and make the poor poorer
I played only for a short while, but the guild I was in had an honour system where basically if u dies ad the wasnt lag or and error at the the time u would scavenge ur character and delete it. This was an honour system so know one could actually make them do it but they should since they were in the guild. So basically I would come down to the people.. i liked it, it was interesting then... now though i dont have much to play, well until conan, but i am not sure about that but I am seriously waiting for Stargate Worlds.