Firstly this should have been in at launch and can't believe it's taken them this long, spose theres only one guy working on them though lol. Also like all the Vanguard art the ones i've see so far do look really bland and boring. Look at WOW's armour for example, I know it's crazy and over the top but that game just has some kool armour.
Sure it's a step in the right direction but I don't understand why they can't make the game look nice, If I tried to get my friends to play Vanguard they'd just look at the screens and say the game doesn't look as good as wOW and carry on playing it... while I showed them EVE ONline and LOTRO and SWG (back in the day) and they all played them and thought the games looked great.
Vanguard needs a major facelift but it's something the game just wont get.
a year waiting to get THOSE??? LOL glad my wife and i have already unsubed....horrible. I thought the original EQ half elven plate helm graphic was the worst SOE could do.................
Grouping in Old school mmo's: meeting someone at the bar and chatting, getting to know them before jumping into bed. Current mmo's grouping: tinder. swipe, hookup, hope you don't get herpes, never see them again.
Helms in any game look like a pile of retarded garnished with a helping of stupid, but these are easily the worst since EQ1 chain Elmer Fudd earflap hats.
I can't say I like any of them but I've never liked helms in any game I've ever played. I'm happy for the people who wanted helms in the game but it was never anything I cared about. I'm just glad there's an option to hide helms.
I just not went back to VG in order to test the new things coming for Update 4 and I can honestly say that 90% of the helmet skins look like shit.
Kojan helmets are nice and the qalian caster helmet but the other helmets are pure jokes (I wonder was the art team high when they made these). I mean come on it is not that damn hard to code in a nice looking helmet in a game (Guild Wars did it, DDO somewhat). I mean the helmets and the way they bent and contorted the faces of races in order to fit them in is just down right a nightmare.
Blah, all I can say is I hope they don't release them helmets the way they are currently because they look like something out of a EQ2 nightmare.
I love my new helms. And if you think they look anything like eq2 you need to really get glasses they look night and day better then eq2.... and a lot more variety as well.
Firstly this should have been in at launch and can't believe it's taken them this long, spose theres only one guy working on them though lol. Also like all the Vanguard art the ones i've see so far do look really bland and boring. Look at WOW's armour for example, I know it's crazy and over the top but that game just has some kool armour. Sure it's a step in the right direction but I don't understand why they can't make the game look nice, If I tried to get my friends to play Vanguard they'd just look at the screens and say the game doesn't look as good as wOW and carry on playing it... while I showed them EVE ONline and LOTRO and SWG (back in the day) and they all played them and thought the games looked great. Vanguard needs a major facelift but it's something the game just wont get.
I just came over after 2 years in WoW and I have to say I completely disagree with you. I find the appearance of Vanguard to be far superior in every aspect. WoW always felt a bit cartoonish to me. I was actually interested in EQ2, but my wife said the graphics were not good enough and only Vanguard and Conan had decent graphics. (We did not review all available MMO's for that consideration)
Anyway..I am disappointed to be losing the customization of my face, but I really cant see it while playing anyway and the helms I will see.
Give it time Rhaf, after looking at the majority of helmets on the test server I have to agree with the naysayers here "most of the helmets look aweful" and only the desperate of the Vanguard community will praise or like them.
As one person said in a thread sometime ago, the MMOer doesn't really give a damn about helmet graphics "if they show or not" it's the role playing community who have really pushed the issue and if you look at them they are highly pissed and highly disappointed with the skins of the helmets in VG (and I don't blame them). The Paladin and DRK changes are amazing on test server but the helmet skins look like some 1st gen gaming crap.
Guild Wars have better looking helmets and that is pitiful for a game that hasd the best graphics to date.
There's nothing wrong with these helms. They fit in with the art-style. They might not be as fanciful as WoW's, but that's a completely different art style.
Reminds me of EQ1 in a way. If improvements like this keep coming I might even give this game another go.
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
Honestly, while I appreciate the effort, the designs are kinda bad. The worst part is its just the little things. Take the kojani helm for instance. Looks great and everything.....then it has that dumb smile on the mask portion. A snarl, a grimace, tusks, ok. I have never seen a samurai mask with a goofy freaking smile though. The very first one posted wouldn't look quite as bad if it didn't completely cover their face and make it look like they had a horned bubble on their head. Some of them were just poor looking, like one that looked like a grey and blackish blob with a single horn sticking out the front.
Honestly, while I appreciate the effort, the designs are kinda bad. The worst part is its just the little things. Take the kojani helm for instance. Looks great and everything.....then it has that dumb smile on the mask portion. A snarl, a grimace, tusks, ok. I have never seen a samurai mask with a goofy freaking smile though. The very first one posted wouldn't look quite as bad if it didn't completely cover their face and make it look like they had a horned bubble on their head. Some of them were just poor looking, like one that looked like a grey and blackish blob with a single horn sticking out the front.
I think the worst part is that they utterly gutted character customization to do it. There used to be 8 tabs of sliders, now there are 3.1; the Proportions tab is still there, the Body Mass tab is still there, the Head tab is still there, and the Eyes tab is still there (but it only has one slider now, and that's just for color. Basically, you can make yourself shorter, fatter, pick one of four hairstyles, whether you have scars or facepaint or whatever, and pick your underpants. Every single facial slider is gone on the test server, and the net yield in performance is 2-5 FPS.
As a lesser giant, I wasn't that attractive to begin with, but at least I was able to tweak sliders to the point where my brow wasn't quite so "caveman" and my chin wasn't quite so "male bodybuilder." Now I look like someone photoshopped a professional wrestler onto the body of a svelte pirate wench. No thank you! At least I can change my eye color to yellow, though. <----That was actually a smiley face emoticon, but the forum nerfed my sliders!
As a lesser giant, I wasn't that attractive to begin with, but
Why did you choose a giant? Because of stats? Or RL? Need a 2,80m pornstar? Same goes to the guy who cried about his Dog-character on VG-forums.
Ok, I am a newbie in this game, lvl 8/9/6, but don´t you think, Vanguard´s performance problems are more serious than your Porngiants and DarkScoobydoos? If only these chars would look totally different after the patch. But when I looked at them in your posted pics "now+after patch", I had to laugh. Thought it was kind of a riddle "find the 2 errors in the left picture".
I think the worst part is that they utterly gutted character customization to do it. There used to be 8 tabs of sliders, now there are 3.1; the Proportions tab is still there, the Body Mass tab is still there, the Head tab is still there, and the Eyes tab is still there (but it only has one slider now, and that's just for color. Basically, you can make yourself shorter, fatter, pick one of four hairstyles, whether you have scars or facepaint or whatever, and pick your underpants. Every single facial slider is gone on the test server, and the net yield in performance is 2-5 FPS. As a lesser giant, I wasn't that attractive to begin with, but at least I was able to tweak sliders to the point where my brow wasn't quite so "caveman" and my chin wasn't quite so "male bodybuilder." Now I look like someone photoshopped a professional wrestler onto the body of a svelte pirate wench. No thank you! At least I can change my eye color to yellow, though. <----That was actually a smiley face emoticon, but the forum nerfed my sliders!
The complete removal of any customization was the catalyst for me to cancel. Well, that and the fact that the lead designer blatantly lied about, then when called on it basically said "tough". This was turning into a pretty good game- GU4 heads right into crap territory again.
Oh well, I've found that I don't need to play these lame games anyhow.
As a lesser giant, I wasn't that attractive to begin with, but
Why did you choose a giant? Because of stats? Or RL? Need a 2,80m pornstar?
Same goes to the guy who cried about his Dog-character on VG-forums.
Ok, I am a newbie in this game, lvl 8/9/6, but don´t you think, Vanguard´s performance problems are more serious than your Porngiants and DarkScoobydoos?
If only these chars would look totally different after the patch. But when I looked at them in your posted pics "now+after patch", I had to laugh. Thought it was kind of a riddle "find the 2 errors in the left picture".
What you have to remember, there are many styles of play in a MMO. Character customisation is most important to a RPer (Role-player) they spend along time making a back story for there character, a purpose more than beating the game content and if the tools are provided they like to express this through customisation, it helps bring there character to life.
I am not a RPer, but I di like to make my character look good. I'm dissappointed with the change, but it's not game breaking all by itself, but for some it's very important and destorys there time and effort they have invested in the character.
So please remember it's down right rude to demeen another player's play style for the only reason it don't match your own.
As a lesser giant, I wasn't that attractive to begin with, but
Why did you choose a giant? Because of stats? Or RL? Need a 2,80m pornstar?
Same goes to the guy who cried about his Dog-character on VG-forums.
Ok, I am a newbie in this game, lvl 8/9/6, but don´t you think, Vanguard´s performance problems are more serious than your Porngiants and DarkScoobydoos?
If only these chars would look totally different after the patch. But when I looked at them in your posted pics "now+after patch", I had to laugh. Thought it was kind of a riddle "find the 2 errors in the left picture".
I chose Lesser Giant because I didn't want to be the stereotypical dark elf Dread Knight, but I enjoyed the Dread Knight a lot when I played it with a buddy key that was given to me. After looking at the available races for the class, the giant seemed the most appealing to me in theme. I didn't like the initial appearance, but with all the customization sliders, I was able to come up with a look that l was very happy with. Now that all the sliders are effectively being stripped out and replaced with the default image, I'm less than happy.
I'm not looking to make a "porn giant." When I make a character, I'm making a visual representation of myself in the game. When people think of my character, they think of the avatar as well as the way I type or perform in raids. I want my avatar to appeal to me for the same reason I want my clothes in real life to appeal to me. I don't "slut it up" when I go out, but I do try to look my best. The "best" for my lesser giant is now a club-faced monstrosity. I'm not asking you to understand any of this. Maybe it's a female point-of-view, maybe not. Still, at least have the common decency to disagree without being disagreeable.
Give me a break. This thread is useless, all the SOE haters are gonna pipe up and say how bad this is..."Helms now? They should have been in when they were making that golden goose lay that golden egg."
All the Vanguard fans are all for this. Like I posted last night. I have a middling system yet the game runs great for me. I see nothing but cats with Superman rigs and they cant run the game?
It is spelled SOE not DONKEY-O-E....
That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming!
Give me a break. This thread is useless, all the SOE haters are gonna pipe up and say how bad this is..."Helms now? They should have been in when they were making that golden goose lay that golden egg."
All the Vanguard fans are all for this. Like I posted last night. I have a middling system yet the game runs great for me. I see nothing but cats with Superman rigs and they cant run the game?
It is spelled SOE not DONKEY-O-E....
Still reading the standard phrases of SOE bashing?
I think the worst part is that they utterly gutted character customization to do it. There used to be 8 tabs of sliders, now there are 3.1; the Proportions tab is still there, the Body Mass tab is still there, the Head tab is still there, and the Eyes tab is still there (but it only has one slider now, and that's just for color. Basically, you can make yourself shorter, fatter, pick one of four hairstyles, whether you have scars or facepaint or whatever, and pick your underpants. Every single facial slider is gone on the test server, and the net yield in performance is 2-5 FPS. As a lesser giant, I wasn't that attractive to begin with, but at least I was able to tweak sliders to the point where my brow wasn't quite so "caveman" and my chin wasn't quite so "male bodybuilder." Now I look like someone photoshopped a professional wrestler onto the body of a svelte pirate wench. No thank you! At least I can change my eye color to yellow, though. <----That was actually a smiley face emoticon, but the forum nerfed my sliders!
The complete removal of any customization was the catalyst for me to cancel. Well, that and the fact that the lead designer blatantly lied about, then when called on it basically said "tough". This was turning into a pretty good game- GU4 heads right into crap territory again.
Oh well, I've found that I don't need to play these lame games anyhow.
"Since we are already iterating to new models after this update, we made the decision as a team to remove facial customization to increase performance and also to allow us to get helmets into the game at the same time."
I think the worst part is that they utterly gutted character customization to do it. There used to be 8 tabs of sliders, now there are 3.1; the Proportions tab is still there, the Body Mass tab is still there, the Head tab is still there, and the Eyes tab is still there (but it only has one slider now, and that's just for color. Basically, you can make yourself shorter, fatter, pick one of four hairstyles, whether you have scars or facepaint or whatever, and pick your underpants. Every single facial slider is gone on the test server, and the net yield in performance is 2-5 FPS. As a lesser giant, I wasn't that attractive to begin with, but at least I was able to tweak sliders to the point where my brow wasn't quite so "caveman" and my chin wasn't quite so "male bodybuilder." Now I look like someone photoshopped a professional wrestler onto the body of a svelte pirate wench. No thank you! At least I can change my eye color to yellow, though. <----That was actually a smiley face emoticon, but the forum nerfed my sliders!
The complete removal of any customization was the catalyst for me to cancel. Well, that and the fact that the lead designer blatantly lied about, then when called on it basically said "tough". This was turning into a pretty good game- GU4 heads right into crap territory again.
Oh well, I've found that I don't need to play these lame games anyhow.
"Since we are already iterating to new models after this update, we made the decision as a team to remove facial customization to increase performance and also to allow us to get helmets into the game at the same time."
Silius REPEATEDLY said it was "an insignificant change. Just a couple facial bones". He's lying scum, the dev team sucks eggs, and they won't get another penny from me. 80% of the player base doesn't want this simplified crap and they won't listen. Hope they enjoy unemployment.
I think the worst part is that they utterly gutted character customization to do it. There used to be 8 tabs of sliders, now there are 3.1; the Proportions tab is still there, the Body Mass tab is still there, the Head tab is still there, and the Eyes tab is still there (but it only has one slider now, and that's just for color. Basically, you can make yourself shorter, fatter, pick one of four hairstyles, whether you have scars or facepaint or whatever, and pick your underpants. Every single facial slider is gone on the test server, and the net yield in performance is 2-5 FPS. As a lesser giant, I wasn't that attractive to begin with, but at least I was able to tweak sliders to the point where my brow wasn't quite so "caveman" and my chin wasn't quite so "male bodybuilder." Now I look like someone photoshopped a professional wrestler onto the body of a svelte pirate wench. No thank you! At least I can change my eye color to yellow, though. <----That was actually a smiley face emoticon, but the forum nerfed my sliders!
The complete removal of any customization was the catalyst for me to cancel. Well, that and the fact that the lead designer blatantly lied about, then when called on it basically said "tough". This was turning into a pretty good game- GU4 heads right into crap territory again.
Oh well, I've found that I don't need to play these lame games anyhow.
"Since we are already iterating to new models after this update, we made the decision as a team to remove facial customization to increase performance and also to allow us to get helmets into the game at the same time."
Silius REPEATEDLY said it was "an insignificant change. Just a couple facial bones". He's lying scum, the dev team sucks eggs, and they won't get another penny from me. 80% of the player base doesn't want this simplified crap and they won't listen. Hope they enjoy unemployment.
Ok, gl hf.
It's up to you to think that they believed noone would notice the sliders in character would disappear. Even though it is highly illogical to think so.
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Do you guys think these helms look good and were worth the time / effort?
Firstly this should have been in at launch and can't believe it's taken them this long, spose theres only one guy working on them though lol. Also like all the Vanguard art the ones i've see so far do look really bland and boring. Look at WOW's armour for example, I know it's crazy and over the top but that game just has some kool armour.
Sure it's a step in the right direction but I don't understand why they can't make the game look nice, If I tried to get my friends to play Vanguard they'd just look at the screens and say the game doesn't look as good as wOW and carry on playing it... while I showed them EVE ONline and LOTRO and SWG (back in the day) and they all played them and thought the games looked great.
Vanguard needs a major facelift but it's something the game just wont get.
Generally I'm impressed...the Kojani style looks amazing. Overall very pleased with the result.
a year waiting to get THOSE??? LOL glad my wife and i have already unsubed....horrible. I thought the original EQ half elven plate helm graphic was the worst SOE could do.................
Some interesting looking helms there and glad there not over the top well done but what took you?
Helms in any game look like a pile of retarded garnished with a helping of stupid, but these are easily the worst since EQ1 chain Elmer Fudd earflap hats.
Bite me, Turbine.
I can't say I like any of them but I've never liked helms in any game I've ever played. I'm happy for the people who wanted helms in the game but it was never anything I cared about. I'm just glad there's an option to hide helms.
I just not went back to VG in order to test the new things coming for Update 4 and I can honestly say that 90% of the helmet skins look like shit.
Kojan helmets are nice and the qalian caster helmet but the other helmets are pure jokes (I wonder was the art team high when they made these). I mean come on it is not that damn hard to code in a nice looking helmet in a game (Guild Wars did it, DDO somewhat). I mean the helmets and the way they bent and contorted the faces of races in order to fit them in is just down right a nightmare.
Blah, all I can say is I hope they don't release them helmets the way they are currently because they look like something out of a EQ2 nightmare.
I look forward to trying mine on! Just another thing SOE has gotten done, and hopefully, they keep chugging away.
I love my new helms. And if you think they look anything like eq2 you need to really get glasses they look night and day better then eq2.... and a lot more variety as well.
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Ethion
Anyway..I am disappointed to be losing the customization of my face, but I really cant see it while playing anyway and the helms I will see.
Give it time Rhaf, after looking at the majority of helmets on the test server I have to agree with the naysayers here "most of the helmets look aweful" and only the desperate of the Vanguard community will praise or like them.
As one person said in a thread sometime ago, the MMOer doesn't really give a damn about helmet graphics "if they show or not" it's the role playing community who have really pushed the issue and if you look at them they are highly pissed and highly disappointed with the skins of the helmets in VG (and I don't blame them). The Paladin and DRK changes are amazing on test server but the helmet skins look like some 1st gen gaming crap.
Guild Wars have better looking helmets and that is pitiful for a game that hasd the best graphics to date.
Something with this armor looks familiar
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh105/Trakarg/ScreenShot_00004-1.jpg
SWG wookie armor
http://www.nithingr.com/cpg/albums/userpics/10001/Wook_Armor_2.jpg
There's nothing wrong with these helms. They fit in with the art-style. They might not be as fanciful as WoW's, but that's a completely different art style.
Reminds me of EQ1 in a way. If improvements like this keep coming I might even give this game another go.
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
Honestly, while I appreciate the effort, the designs are kinda bad. The worst part is its just the little things. Take the kojani helm for instance. Looks great and everything.....then it has that dumb smile on the mask portion. A snarl, a grimace, tusks, ok. I have never seen a samurai mask with a goofy freaking smile though. The very first one posted wouldn't look quite as bad if it didn't completely cover their face and make it look like they had a horned bubble on their head. Some of them were just poor looking, like one that looked like a grey and blackish blob with a single horn sticking out the front.
Bans a perma, but so are sigs in necro posts.
EAT ME MMORPG.com!
I think the worst part is that they utterly gutted character customization to do it. There used to be 8 tabs of sliders, now there are 3.1; the Proportions tab is still there, the Body Mass tab is still there, the Head tab is still there, and the Eyes tab is still there (but it only has one slider now, and that's just for color. Basically, you can make yourself shorter, fatter, pick one of four hairstyles, whether you have scars or facepaint or whatever, and pick your underpants. Every single facial slider is gone on the test server, and the net yield in performance is 2-5 FPS.
As a lesser giant, I wasn't that attractive to begin with, but at least I was able to tweak sliders to the point where my brow wasn't quite so "caveman" and my chin wasn't quite so "male bodybuilder." Now I look like someone photoshopped a professional wrestler onto the body of a svelte pirate wench. No thank you! At least I can change my eye color to yellow, though. <----That was actually a smiley face emoticon, but the forum nerfed my sliders!
Same goes to the guy who cried about his Dog-character on VG-forums.
Ok, I am a newbie in this game, lvl 8/9/6, but don´t you think, Vanguard´s performance problems are more serious than your Porngiants and DarkScoobydoos?
If only these chars would look totally different after the patch. But when I looked at them in your posted pics "now+after patch", I had to laugh. Thought it was kind of a riddle "find the 2 errors in the left picture".
Oh well, I've found that I don't need to play these lame games anyhow.
Bite me, Turbine.
Same goes to the guy who cried about his Dog-character on VG-forums.
Ok, I am a newbie in this game, lvl 8/9/6, but don´t you think, Vanguard´s performance problems are more serious than your Porngiants and DarkScoobydoos?
If only these chars would look totally different after the patch. But when I looked at them in your posted pics "now+after patch", I had to laugh. Thought it was kind of a riddle "find the 2 errors in the left picture".
What you have to remember, there are many styles of play in a MMO. Character customisation is most important to a RPer (Role-player) they spend along time making a back story for there character, a purpose more than beating the game content and if the tools are provided they like to express this through customisation, it helps bring there character to life.
I am not a RPer, but I di like to make my character look good. I'm dissappointed with the change, but it's not game breaking all by itself, but for some it's very important and destorys there time and effort they have invested in the character.
So please remember it's down right rude to demeen another player's play style for the only reason it don't match your own.
peace
Same goes to the guy who cried about his Dog-character on VG-forums.
Ok, I am a newbie in this game, lvl 8/9/6, but don´t you think, Vanguard´s performance problems are more serious than your Porngiants and DarkScoobydoos?
If only these chars would look totally different after the patch. But when I looked at them in your posted pics "now+after patch", I had to laugh. Thought it was kind of a riddle "find the 2 errors in the left picture".
I chose Lesser Giant because I didn't want to be the stereotypical dark elf Dread Knight, but I enjoyed the Dread Knight a lot when I played it with a buddy key that was given to me. After looking at the available races for the class, the giant seemed the most appealing to me in theme. I didn't like the initial appearance, but with all the customization sliders, I was able to come up with a look that l was very happy with. Now that all the sliders are effectively being stripped out and replaced with the default image, I'm less than happy.
I'm not looking to make a "porn giant." When I make a character, I'm making a visual representation of myself in the game. When people think of my character, they think of the avatar as well as the way I type or perform in raids. I want my avatar to appeal to me for the same reason I want my clothes in real life to appeal to me. I don't "slut it up" when I go out, but I do try to look my best. The "best" for my lesser giant is now a club-faced monstrosity. I'm not asking you to understand any of this. Maybe it's a female point-of-view, maybe not. Still, at least have the common decency to disagree without being disagreeable.
"I just not went back to VG..."
You just not went what?
Give me a break. This thread is useless, all the SOE haters are gonna pipe up and say how bad this is..."Helms now? They should have been in when they were making that golden goose lay that golden egg."
All the Vanguard fans are all for this. Like I posted last night. I have a middling system yet the game runs great for me. I see nothing but cats with Superman rigs and they cant run the game?
It is spelled SOE not DONKEY-O-E....
That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming!
Still reading the standard phrases of SOE bashing?
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
Oh well, I've found that I don't need to play these lame games anyhow.
http://forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m?topic_id=28110
"Since we are already iterating to new models after this update, we made the decision as a team to remove facial customization to increase performance and also to allow us to get helmets into the game at the same time."
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
Oh well, I've found that I don't need to play these lame games anyhow.
http://forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m?topic_id=28110
"Since we are already iterating to new models after this update, we made the decision as a team to remove facial customization to increase performance and also to allow us to get helmets into the game at the same time."
Silius REPEATEDLY said it was "an insignificant change. Just a couple facial bones". He's lying scum, the dev team sucks eggs, and they won't get another penny from me. 80% of the player base doesn't want this simplified crap and they won't listen. Hope they enjoy unemployment.
Bite me, Turbine.
Oh well, I've found that I don't need to play these lame games anyhow.
http://forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m?topic_id=28110
"Since we are already iterating to new models after this update, we made the decision as a team to remove facial customization to increase performance and also to allow us to get helmets into the game at the same time."
Silius REPEATEDLY said it was "an insignificant change. Just a couple facial bones". He's lying scum, the dev team sucks eggs, and they won't get another penny from me. 80% of the player base doesn't want this simplified crap and they won't listen. Hope they enjoy unemployment.
Ok, gl hf.
It's up to you to think that they believed noone would notice the sliders in character would disappear. Even though it is highly illogical to think so.
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"