game addiction :) producers fault or players fualt

Housam

emm well...iv been reading a few articles at colleage about addiction to technology....and it had some stuff about games eddictin (it talked about eq i think the article was a little dated).............blah blah blah blah

anyway i was just wondering whos fault you think gaming/mmo adictin is it the producers or the players

DragenSoul

My opinion is that, Its sometimes the developers fault...Well mostly the suits to.

 

They put big money into making these type of games, There not meant to be instant gratification, They want players to get addicted and keep paying them money. Everything in MMO's are slowed down and meant to keep you paying longer.

Forcan

I'll just state my opinion.  Even though people tends to blame the people who make the product, I blame the people who misuse the product.

 

If there is an TV show that's as addicting as video game, would the producers get blamed for this?

If somehow extreme sports are as addicting as video game, would the one who create the sports, or one who sponsored the sport to make it as it is get blamed?

 

In the end, all of these, including video games, are just forms of entertainment for people.  Some may use these tools of entertainment with responsibility, and some will not.  So who's to blame?  The one who mis-use them of course.

vingvega

It's the players fault.  They don't have enough common sense to understand what it means to play responsibly.  The would rather hook up Mountain Dew IV's and use bedpans to crap in instead of stepping away from the computer for at least an hour or more and get a taste of real life.   That's like blaming casinos for gamblers.  People need to take responsibility of their life.  Get away fom the computer, go outside, breathe fresh air, get a girlfriend/boyfriend, go see a movie, etc.  But some won't listen and they will end up fat, stanky, addicted gamers.

MMO-Maniac

The players fault for not seeing they have the addiction and not getting help.

 

It's the developers fault for exploiting the addiction of players.

Produde

I'm going to agree with Forcan.

People are responsible for their actions. If you can't play a video/MMO without getting 'addicted', imagine what

else you can be over come by...Drugs, Booze, Sex, picking your nose...whatever.

Take some personal responsibility no matter what it is in life or you will always find 'addiction'.

 

 

geldonyetich

You know, I'm really very disappointed in the way in which you assert there is such a thing as game addiction to the point where you're unwilling to question this and instead start trying to lay blame.  The absolute abortion of critical thinking I'm seeing here tells me that this topic is fated to be nothing but kid talk.

Not that there's anyting wrong with that, I suppose.  Spam away, kiddies.  Just remember that the sooner you get in the habit of questioning the validity of your questions, the faster you'll learn to get to the truth of things.

vingvega

Originally posted by geldonyetich


You know, I'm really very disappointed in the way in which you assert there is such a thing as game addiction to the point where you're unwilling to question this and instead start trying to lay blame.  The absolute abortion of critical thinking I'm seeing here tells me that this topic is fated to be nothing but kid talk.
Not that there's anyting wrong with that, I suppose.  Spam away, kiddies.  Just remember that the sooner you get in the habit of questioning the validity of your questions, the faster you'll learn to get to the truth of things.

I feel enlightened....

pfft.

geldonyetich

Originally posted by vingvega

I am too naive to understand what you are talking about, but too macho to keep my big mouth shut, so instead I'm going to call you crazy.

Understood. Carry on.

If it's any consolation, I'm sure you'll have pleanty of company.  The Internet is neat.

Sovrath

 

Originally posted by geldonyetich


You know, I'm really very disappointed in the way in which you assert there is such a thing as game addiction to the point where you're unwilling to question this and instead start trying to lay blame.  The absolute abortion of critical thinking I'm seeing here tells me that this topic is fated to be nothing but kid talk.
Not that there's anyting wrong with that, I suppose.  Spam away, kiddies.  Just remember that the sooner you get in the habit of questioning the validity of your questions, the faster you'll learn to get to the truth of things.

 

So what you are saying is that he should have prefaced this with "If" there is actually a condition that leads to game addiction, who would the onus of such an addiction fall upon.

Good suggestion geldonyetich, way to positively add to the discussion. Now where is the "rolls eyes" emote? I mean, does it have to be so aggressive?

Vincenz

I think claiming to have an addiction that the AMA has said doesn't exist, pretty much sums it up.  It's the player's fault for having no self control...at all...but who wants to admit that, when you can blame the world for it by calling it an addiction, syndrome, or some other term that makes it "not your fault"?

Billr00

Ok here comes my two cents worth lol .. been reading a few differant blogs and posts in the last couple days about this supposed addiction to gaming ..

1st    If you are addicted to gaming i feel really sorry for you .. there are alot funner things in life to become addicted to .. sex... drugs.. drinking.. porn ... i mean seriously your going to botch up your life have your wife leave ya lose your job .. you should at least have the decency to get addicted to something fun .. geesh buncha nerds lol

 

2nd   I really can't fault the gaming industry at all .. have they really put out anything ever that is sooooo gratifying that it is really worth the effort to become addicted??? WoW certainly doesn't seem to be in the same category for satisfying as say ..... (well you get the idea insert vice of choice here)

 

3rd   I don't... nor have I ever seen anything inherently put into a game that would say "hey i bet they were trying to get me addcited with this feature or this part of this particular game" .. not like some cigarette company putting addictive chemicals in their cigarettes or something .. ( uh oh i said it .. gotta start watching my back now, ive blown the whistle)

 

I mean really people .. what a piss poor excuse to be a slovenly lazy weak willed schmuck ... "I can't help it I'm addicted to World of Warcraft" ... Puuuhhleeaassee!!

I just wish it was fatal .. then there'd be less hardcore morons flaunting all their uber leet gear in my games and as an added bonus there'd be more Mountain Dew for me lol

*rant off*

Liddokun

Obviously it's the person's own fault if they do not know how to moderate themselves. Blaming others for their own lack of self control is cowardly.

geldonyetich

Originally posted by Sovrath



So what you are saying is that he should have prefaced this with "If" there is actually a condition that leads to game addiction, who would the onus of such an addiction fall upon.
Good suggestion geldonyetich, way to positively add to the discussion. Now where is the "rolls eyes" emote? I mean, does it have to be so aggressive?

Well, I wasn't trying to be aggressive, but I have to call them as I see them as otherwise I'd be lying.

"Game addiciton" is still a highly debated subject.  Professional psychiatrists do not yet agree that such a thing really exists.  So, are we really at the point where we can start laying blame?

"Laying blame" is another problem.  "Whose fault is it?" is, in itself, a very negative and unproductive attitude.

So, when I saw this message, I was naturally insulted, here we have somebody who is not only insisting Game Addiction is real but wants to blame somebody for it.  I'm sorry, but I won't condone baseless witchhunts.

But, as I said at the end of my message, if you want to spam away about, fully aware that the premises on which it is based can only lead to tears, I guess you can feel free.  Just, out of responsibility, I thought I'd let you know where this is going.

Sovrath

Originally posted by geldonyetich


But, as I said at the end of my message, if you want to spam away about, fully aware that the premises on which it is based can only lead to tears, I guess you can feel free. 

LOL... ok, I liked that one.

Should be on a T-shirt and sounds like something I would write. 

Kyleran

Players fault exclusively.  Unless there's no way to use a product responsibly (Crystal Meth comes to mind) you really can't blame the producers.

 

dA_fReAK

If you're stupid enough to get THAT addicted to a game, dont play it.

If you dont have enough will power to play moderately (Hell, play all night but in moderation.. .dont tell you friends to fuck off cuz your raiding in WoW) then dont play a game.

nomadian

gambling, gambling firms fault or the gamblers?

Vincenz

Originally posted by nomadian


gambling, gambling firms fault or the gamblers?

Gambling addiction is a recognized disease by the AMA.  After research and studies, they've found no evidence that gaming addiction is.

 

p.s. Still the fault of the gamblers, btw.

talismen351

The gamers fault completely. Anyone says anything different is just somebody trying to blame somebody else for their problems. May as well say alcholizm is the fault of the breweries...so to control alcholism lets shut down all the breweries. Gambling is an addiction...so lets shut down all casinos, stop the sales of all lotto tickets or any other form of betting should be outlawed. If a person can't enjoy a product of any kind in moderation that is their own problem. They need to take responsibility for their own actions...not blaming the companies.

Vrika

I don't think it's anyone's fault. People have a habit of "getting addicted" to things they enjoy, sometimes even too much. But I think it's more a part of human nature than something we can blame anyone about. And I don't think that gaming addiction, or some other similar addiction, is a very good execuse for neglecting ones life. I think the "addicted" is still somewhat responsible for his actions.



And I don't think that alcohol addiction, or any other drug addiction, can really be compared to a thing like game addiction or gambling addiction, when the discussion is about who's fault it is. Because there is a really big diffirence between getting addicted because you enjoy something, and getting addicted to a product wich contains addictive chemicals. The other happens naturally, the other can't be considered natural.

Zorvan

Originally posted by Vrika





And I don't think that alcohol addiction, or any other drug addiction, can really be compared to a thing like game addiction or gambling addiction, when the discussion is about who's fault it is. Because there is a really big diffirence between getting addicted because you enjoy something, and getting addicted to a product wich contains addictive chemicals. The other happens naturally, the other can't be considered natural.

Everyone knows alcohol is addictive. Everyone knows drugs are addictive. Everyone knows gambling,  sex, and a multitude of other things can be addictive. Choosing to do them anyway is noones fault but their own. It's the players fault, just like it's the druggie or the alcoholics fault. Noone can control you but you.

GreenChaos

I blame devs for making games with no end, no risk, and the only reward is for time spent. 

 

I blame players for playing games like that.

 

 

Cryomatrix

I put the blame on players for the choices. I have been addicted to video games myself and I can tell you it exists. I had all the clinical signs of addiction.

If the authorities won't question gambling as an addiction how are video games different? Alcoholism and drugs carry physiological and/or mental dependencies. Gambling/video games don't.

The mechanism of addiction is being slowly elucidated and researchers have identified a portion of the brain called the nucleus accumbens which is responsible for addictive behavior as well as reward, laughter, happiness. I know when I was addicted to games, I HAD to play or I wasn't happy.

Gambling is just a game as are video games. In my opinion to question video game addiction and then not question gambling addiction is nonsensical. Same type of behavior. It's addiction to a behavior not an entity that modifies your physiology such as heroine, alcohol, caffeine, methylphenidate.

I would blame producers if they purposely put something physiologically or chemically addictive.

Cryomatrix

Anofalye

It's depend.

 

If the player is happy and enjoying the game, it is the player fault if he is addicted.

 

If the player is angry and bitching and cursing and not enjoying the game; yet still playing...it is the devs fault.

Dark_raver

i think a good game is addictive

if its not addictive you dont wonna play it so.....

if you don't wonna be addicted just dont play

you cant blame producers making a good game i guess